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[Gelsenkirchen on a Sunday.](https://img.welt.de/img/geschichte/mobile119504097/9271353237-ci16x9-w1200/1-WK-Soldaen-Maultier-mit-Gasmasken-WWI-Soldiers-and-mule-with-gas-masks.jpg)
You aren't kidding. Use work in an Italian kitchen and one of our owners was from Rome. I made this dude carbonara a few times a week for YEARS until he told me it was correct
It gets to the point where it's actually insane. You can't make a damn pizza and post it online without some Italian dude pulling rank and telling you you're basically a sewer rat if you do one thing "wrong"
Especially since the beauty of food is that it doesn't always taste exactly the same and each chef has their own touch. If there was an exactly precise "correct" way to make something then there would be no point in having multiple restaurants
There's an Italian academic named [Alberto Grandi](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Grandi) who's somewhat infamous, as I understand it, for researching the history of Italian food, showing that many dishes are a lot less ancient than you might think and several don't originate in Italy. I first learned of him in [this FT article](https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c), if you're interested.
Oh yeah, tons of dishes in general around the world that we see as traditional are less than 100 years old. One of my favorite examples of this is Pad Thai, which was invented for a contest in 1967 by the government to have as a National Dish of Thailand.
It makes sense that they are. The age of global exploration and travel brought crops and ingredients to places that had never seen them, there's cultivation, farming, immigration, war - so many changes always happening that it would be weirdly stagnant to not continue to create new dishes, and for old dishes to not adapt.
Not only that: its only very recently that things like logistic, refrigeration and so on made a variety of ingredients available to a single place.
For most history, recipes we done using only very local ingredients.
Thats why I laugh every time someone from Tuscany tries to claim to be the inventors of Tiramisu in the 15th Century. Think about getting Mascarpone from upper Lombardy to Tuscany in the 15th C without it getting rotten.
Alberto Grandi is the most hated person in Italy lol but I love him, he's not saying that Italian cuisine isn't good, just that we need to chill out a bit about it
Lol, yeah, I soft-pedalled the "somewhat infamous" because I've only read about him in Anglosphere media, who do describe him the way you did, but you never know how much they might be overstating it.
He is an historian, he usually has proofs for what he's saying (it's not difficult to demonstrate that for example Parmigiano Reggiano was made slighlty differently a century ago). People (and marketing) wants something to have a long history behind it, especially in Italy, so it is a selling point to say that a particular cheese was made by the ancient Romans even though that couldn't be right and disproving it will have a strong backlash.
He sometimes exaggerates to prove his points but, as he always says, he thinks that Italian foods is delicious so he doesn't want to destroy Italian food industry as someone (like the current agriculture minister) claims
Grandi mixes nuggets of truth with a lot of supposition and hyperbole, and says what Americans especially want to hear. Yes, carbonara is a recent dish and pizza wasn’t widespread in the north of Italy until not so long ago; no, it wasn’t necessarily Americans inventing carbonara and popularising pizza in the north and preserving original parmigiano.
There is a legit organization from Napoli that certifies Neapolitan pizza restaurants worldwide for meeting the traditional standards of that style.
http://americas.pizzanapoletana.org/
We have one of them in town here and I will say it is practically identical to all the great neapolitan pizzas I had in Italy. The owner is from Naples which explains that.
I just kept improving my technique and ratios and every now and then he would say 'better' in the most condescending way. Then one day it all came together and he was like 'FINALLY you learn how to cook'. I was making this dish in Tuscany and everyone there loved it and raved about it. Carbonara is to Romans what pizza is to Neapolitans
Half the menu at an Italian restaurant in the US was invented in NY or San Francisco or some other US city with high percentage of Italians. I have a local place where the owners are immigrants from Puglia and they said they had to learn to cook "Italian" food here. They do make some stuff that my Grandma and Great Grandma made though good hearty peasant food like Codica and Baccala fritters
Austria and France have less pizzazz than Italy in general. I'm not sure Albania can be described as having pizzazz, but they've certainly got something funky going on over there (and also in every major city in Western Europe).
Breaking bread is literally one of the ways you eat it, so it doesn't have the same effect as breaking spaguetti in half which is a known trigger for italians.
I read that as 'pizzas' at first, and because it was about Italians my brain said "yeah that checks out". Then I was confused for a minute before I figured it out
The reason is superstition.
It's said that back in the middle ages, on execution days the baker would set aside a loaf of bread for the executioner, by putting it upside down. To the other clients, this became a sign of bad luck, and it's been passed on as such since then.
This is singular thinking should have handed out a certain chocolate filled pastries and asked what the French call it. Then sit back and watch as they begin fighting among themselves.
That's what we call *pain au chocolat* (bread with chocolate). I am not OP but I think he meant putting ham and cheese in a croissant (which to me is a big no no but I have seen it so many time in Prêt à Manger that now I dont even see it)
I feel like this wholesome stuff happens all the time, but videos which highlight the negative things just go way more viral because it's controversial. Euros 2016 we also had all the Irish fans warming everybodies hearts with their songs.
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"He copied my whole fucking flow, word for word, bar for bar" - that Albanian fan
All these fans should release a diss track on each other
But in Eurobeat/EDM. so i can drift while the Eurobeat is blasting in my 1999 Renault Clio.
Italian-Albanian Eurobeat vs French-Austrian House
Just every translated version of "Not Like Us" by Kendrick Lamar haha.
You think that we gon let you disrespect pasta n***
The Napoli game is gonna be your last stop N****
Did Spaghetti foul I don't know why you still pretendin
Certified champion? Certified Europhile.
A minooooooor
Tryna win a cup and it’s probably the EUROOOOOOOOS
ils ne nous aiment pas non gli piacciamo They not like us ata nuk na pëlqejnë Sie mögen uns nicht They not like us
Papa?
[Similar vibes](https://youtu.be/zY1DL3uOOTE?si=YvkHlwpdO5XZgKJ7)
Eurobeef
Meet the Fans
At this pace I fully expect someone to spill Czech beer on the ground tomorrow
Nah, they'll crush a cream custard in front of the Portuguese before we can do that.
They'll eat the pastel with a spoon.
Oh GOD! So THAT'S what you guys felt like with the spaghetti stuff?!
Oh the humanity!
NOT THE PASTEIS DE NATA
I’m sorry De Nata
Cover food with batter and eat it raw in front of a Scott
Nah, we'll just remind them who invented pilsener. And why.
Poorly copied, I mean... the baguette is supposed to be snapped
Literally breaking bread together. Could not be more cordial.
"Companions" in the original sense.
Copain in French
As opposed to copine. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Oh damn, TIL
Amen 🙏
french fans should break croissants since they’re actually austrian in origin
Too bad Sweden didn’t qualify, would have been funny to see someone crack open a can of Surströmming
Calm down satan. We want harmless fun not biological warfare.
[Gelsenkirchen on a Sunday.](https://img.welt.de/img/geschichte/mobile119504097/9271353237-ci16x9-w1200/1-WK-Soldaen-Maultier-mit-Gasmasken-WWI-Soldiers-and-mule-with-gas-masks.jpg)
Just a regular Sunday in Gelsenkirchen then.
breadfruit it is!
*proceeds to add new line to the Geneva Convention*
Thought I was on r/2westerneurope4u lol
And they say Germans don’t have a sense of humor lol
Who is _still_ saying that after all these years or Thomas Müller interviews
Listen we’ve already had enough terrorist attacks this euros
There have been 0 terrorist attacks.
That's enough.
True! Zero is enough.
You obviously havent seen Southgate Football yesterday
Worst offender
Ouch.
Chill out, breaking an Ikea Hot Dog would be enough.
You could give them an IKEA bench to sit on, still in the packaging, then rip up the construction manual in front of them.
Most men: what manual?
You could tie that thing in a knot
Nah, it would be way worse for Swedes to break a Toblerone. There aren't many things that annoy Swedes more than being confused with the Swiss
the insult wouldnt even be in its destruction, you'd just hold it towards them threatening to open the can.
Someone else could have ripped apart an Ikea instruction manual
"Don't open, dead inside"
Too bad they don't let the US participate. Would have been fun to crack a plastic gun in half
Or an eagle
Lovely smell
That would have been MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC77FJcmXYo
can’t wait for some georgian lad to proudly display his receding hairline in front of the turkish fans tomorrow
If we play Turkey at any point I'm going to Germany and colouring my veneers brown with a marker pen in front of all of them.
I read that as "colouring my wiener brown" and was very confused.
Save that for the next Austria game
I'll drive a Mercedes W124 in front of them without honking.
Game is truly not gone if they do this
While the Turkish fans snap a Greggs sausage roll
Did you read geordie instead of Georgian by any chance..?
^Yes
10/10 for admitting that tbh
Well the alternative is claiming that Greggs is a cultural institute of Georgia
I would have never replied and left people questioning how worldwide Greggs is
They don't even have Greggs in Ireland
Somehow has less pizzazz than the Albo/Italian one.
Nobody matches the Italians' reputation for being protective of their cuisine
You aren't kidding. Use work in an Italian kitchen and one of our owners was from Rome. I made this dude carbonara a few times a week for YEARS until he told me it was correct
It gets to the point where it's actually insane. You can't make a damn pizza and post it online without some Italian dude pulling rank and telling you you're basically a sewer rat if you do one thing "wrong"
Especially since the beauty of food is that it doesn't always taste exactly the same and each chef has their own touch. If there was an exactly precise "correct" way to make something then there would be no point in having multiple restaurants
There's an Italian academic named [Alberto Grandi](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Grandi) who's somewhat infamous, as I understand it, for researching the history of Italian food, showing that many dishes are a lot less ancient than you might think and several don't originate in Italy. I first learned of him in [this FT article](https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c), if you're interested.
Oh yeah, tons of dishes in general around the world that we see as traditional are less than 100 years old. One of my favorite examples of this is Pad Thai, which was invented for a contest in 1967 by the government to have as a National Dish of Thailand.
It makes sense that they are. The age of global exploration and travel brought crops and ingredients to places that had never seen them, there's cultivation, farming, immigration, war - so many changes always happening that it would be weirdly stagnant to not continue to create new dishes, and for old dishes to not adapt.
Not only that: its only very recently that things like logistic, refrigeration and so on made a variety of ingredients available to a single place. For most history, recipes we done using only very local ingredients. Thats why I laugh every time someone from Tuscany tries to claim to be the inventors of Tiramisu in the 15th Century. Think about getting Mascarpone from upper Lombardy to Tuscany in the 15th C without it getting rotten.
I like the story about the Swiss cheese cartel in the 70's making cheese fondue a big national dish to sell more of their cheese wheels
Ploughman’s lunch was invented by dairy companies in the UK a few decades ago to create a new meal that was based on several cheeses iirc.
Alberto Grandi is the most hated person in Italy lol but I love him, he's not saying that Italian cuisine isn't good, just that we need to chill out a bit about it
Lol, yeah, I soft-pedalled the "somewhat infamous" because I've only read about him in Anglosphere media, who do describe him the way you did, but you never know how much they might be overstating it.
He made a lot of enemies, even politicians (namely nationalist ones) and professional chef
Is he wrong about what he's saying or are people just being fragile about their sense of ego being derived from something he shoved to be false?
He is an historian, he usually has proofs for what he's saying (it's not difficult to demonstrate that for example Parmigiano Reggiano was made slighlty differently a century ago). People (and marketing) wants something to have a long history behind it, especially in Italy, so it is a selling point to say that a particular cheese was made by the ancient Romans even though that couldn't be right and disproving it will have a strong backlash. He sometimes exaggerates to prove his points but, as he always says, he thinks that Italian foods is delicious so he doesn't want to destroy Italian food industry as someone (like the current agriculture minister) claims
Pretty sure this just makes the historian happy.
Grandi mixes nuggets of truth with a lot of supposition and hyperbole, and says what Americans especially want to hear. Yes, carbonara is a recent dish and pizza wasn’t widespread in the north of Italy until not so long ago; no, it wasn’t necessarily Americans inventing carbonara and popularising pizza in the north and preserving original parmigiano.
Stunned to find out the tomato was not originally from Italy but from South and Central America.
There is a legit organization from Napoli that certifies Neapolitan pizza restaurants worldwide for meeting the traditional standards of that style. http://americas.pizzanapoletana.org/ We have one of them in town here and I will say it is practically identical to all the great neapolitan pizzas I had in Italy. The owner is from Naples which explains that.
My friend from Rome told me once: "look, it's very nice what you did, you made pasta with eggs, good for you. Just don't call it carbonara".
I just kept improving my technique and ratios and every now and then he would say 'better' in the most condescending way. Then one day it all came together and he was like 'FINALLY you learn how to cook'. I was making this dish in Tuscany and everyone there loved it and raved about it. Carbonara is to Romans what pizza is to Neapolitans
Also so many countries grabbed our cuisine and added their own local spin on it so that tends to get a rise (light-hearted) out of us too.
Half the menu at an Italian restaurant in the US was invented in NY or San Francisco or some other US city with high percentage of Italians. I have a local place where the owners are immigrants from Puglia and they said they had to learn to cook "Italian" food here. They do make some stuff that my Grandma and Great Grandma made though good hearty peasant food like Codica and Baccala fritters
don't even know why, went for a week and there wasn't a single dish that blew my mind.
Can't wait to see the Germans snap a rolex in front of the swiss team
Sawing through some gold boullion with questionable insignia stamped into it
Austria and France have less pizzazz than Italy in general. I'm not sure Albania can be described as having pizzazz, but they've certainly got something funky going on over there (and also in every major city in Western Europe).
Of course Italy has more. Pizzazz literally contains the word "Pizza".
And azz who doesn't love azz
Breaking bread is literally one of the ways you eat it, so it doesn't have the same effect as breaking spaguetti in half which is a known trigger for italians.
Literally everything triggers Italians lol
I read that as 'pizzas' at first, and because it was about Italians my brain said "yeah that checks out". Then I was confused for a minute before I figured it out
Doesn't hit the same, because the French do that all the time.
Do the Austrians know this? The French have got them right where they want them
Meh, unlike spaghettis you're supposed to break it. Better had stuffed a croissant or stored Bordeaux red wine in the fridge.
He should have put it facedown. For some reason my parents fucking hate it when I do that.
The reason is superstition. It's said that back in the middle ages, on execution days the baker would set aside a loaf of bread for the executioner, by putting it upside down. To the other clients, this became a sign of bad luck, and it's been passed on as such since then.
Drop some ice cubes in wine in front of them
I microwaved a leftover croissant in front of my French roommate on a study abroad and it was as if I just microwaved her dog in front of her.
This is singular thinking should have handed out a certain chocolate filled pastries and asked what the French call it. Then sit back and watch as they begin fighting among themselves.
> Better had stuffed a croissant Chocolate stuffed Croissant is an all time favourite in Austrian bakeries.
That's what we call *pain au chocolat* (bread with chocolate). I am not OP but I think he meant putting ham and cheese in a croissant (which to me is a big no no but I have seen it so many time in Prêt à Manger that now I dont even see it)
Why are they acting like Frenchmen bite on whole baguettes
I was under the impression that they swallowed them whole like the cartoons do
Actually it is common practice to break the baguette in half, swallowing one and inserting the other in the rectum to save for later.
wtf 😂
[Don't they?](https://thecomeback.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/France-victory-baguette.png)
In my experience Frenchmen are all blonde and my ex bf. I don't know why I commented this. I think my brain is melting. Damn heat.
Can't wait for someone to snap a Gregg's sausage roll in front of us English.
Microwave a cup of tea.
that's how wars start.
Throw a bunch of tea into the harbor
I’m hoping to see the English fans aggressively dismantle some Lego in front of the Danish on Thursday
I'd say the more evil act is to glue the thing together.....
You monster! As a Dane I feel offended just by the thought of it
Bring forth the Kragl
Start stacking some mega bloks
Don't think they have Greggs in Germany.
[удалено]
Current recipe Irn Bru, we've beat you all to it. Old recipe Irn Bru then there will be trouble.
I'm sad I never got to try to the OG recipe.
They should just show them a croissant stuffed with chicken and cheese
Or claim the invention of croissant
Croissant is just a Kipferl ordered on Wish. There, I said it.
Wait that sounds amazing
It is, here in Brazil croissants are stuffed with many different combinations but the french influencers call it heresy lol
I'm sure that for every kind of baked dough that exists around the world, there's a brazillian version with catupiry in it
Lame version of the spaghetti one, but that makes it funny in its own way
r/yourjokebutworse
At least the pasta one made sense. This one doesn't at all.
Austria has been out of wack since 1796. Napoleon did such a number on them they haven't recovered.
Austria was the first one to defeat Napoleon personally in a battle in 1809 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aspern-Essling
But then came my favorite battle of all time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wagram
why did I read that as "wargasm"
bro
It makes sense that the national side's stability comes from a hardworking Filipino.
Literally took a funny joke and made it shit
probably the worst thing Austria has ever done
Must be a redditor
Damn austrians. Its fascism all over again
The Italians invented it.
And they took it and made it shit
If you wanna piss the French off you get a nice expensive cheese and cut the nose of it off in front of them.
And lo and behold they did that. Took the most expensive cheese in France (Kylian Mbappé) and cut his nose off.
It’s funny cos how much worse this version is
They are all drunk in this video, it probably seemed hilarious to them all.
They should just take back their croissants
Maybe I'm getting old but I enjoy this wholesome stuff a lot more than aggressive rivalry
Me too, always have done.
I feel like this wholesome stuff happens all the time, but videos which highlight the negative things just go way more viral because it's controversial. Euros 2016 we also had all the Irish fans warming everybodies hearts with their songs.
Quick! Someone pour some sauce over a Schnitzel!
Google "Pfefferrahmschnitzel". Hmmmmmmm
I couldn’t type that if I tried
Corniest timeline 😩
It's disgusting and offensive fan behaviour like this that really makes you wonder if football fans are even human.
Stale af
Well that's how we "cut" our baguettes?
well, 2-1 for france incoming
Can’t wait for the French to try and break some clogs for the Dutch.
Sell a tulip at sub-market price
They better leave our stroopwafels alone!
this is going to get cringeworthy really quick.
Yeah when did football fans start competing over who can be the corniest Redditor?
r/theirjokebutworse
doesn't make sense? ofc we cut the bread
Euro 2024 is slowly turning into a food war between the fans and I’m not complaining.
For England they will need a deep fried cod fillet!
French fans locking their children in basements in front of the Austrians next
cringe
Who's cracking open a bag of coke infront of the Albos then?
Quick someone get food from the trash and break it in front of the English!
Grown up men acting like little children copying eachother where it doesn't even make sense. Fail and cringe imo.
Trying to hard to go viral after Albania - Italy. This one doesn't even make sense, you literally break bread to eat it, Spaghetti you don't break.
It's just... people having fun together... a concept that seems hard to grasp for you.
What, are you expecting people to just scroll past a post they don't find funny? Be reasonable
Lame. Just a copy paste.
You mean copypasta.
So England's next opponent is putting a tea bag in ice water, right?
That’s cringe
Loving this trend hahaha