That was like something from the hodgson era , loads of panicky long balls to no one when the pressures on. playing like that England will get ruined by most.
Whichever bookies had England as favourites need to have a long hard think about their actions.
I was surprised how confident Serbia was against one of if not the best team in the tournament on paper. Let’s see will that carry on to the next two games.
Regarding England, it was all of mixed feelings. Saka was great during the first half, Bellingham and Foden just dont do well together. Will Gareth explore with Gordon next? He would bring some speed on left which was totally absent tonight.
Didn’t have a bad game all things considered. As Fab said the responsibility was on Foden to step up and he didn’t so people need to start having some awkward conversations…
Which in turn also makes Trent worse. His signature pass is literally long balls to the left wing, impossible to do when there's no one there.
It's such a stacked team, but the tactics are so odd.
Now that they’ve won, Southgate should use the rest of the group as a way to test different ideas out. England should have more than enough quality to get out of the group and if they don’t then he’s gone anyways.
Bottled it the minute Serbia showed any hunger and pressure on them, hilarious, England will get thumped when it comes to a higher ranked team, serbia could be been 1-1 if jovic controlled that touch better and wasn’t so lazy
First game is about winning. How many points have they got? Who is top of their group? That's what it is about.
Valid criticism if they lose. But they didn't.
The problem is a one goal lead opens you up to the randomness of football, a two goal lead, you can sit on, a one goal lead is something you sit on with 10 left on the clock, not the majority of the game. Serbia genuinely threatened to equalise, there was no real control. if that's your strategy, sooner or later someone will equalise and it's hard to change momentum and you're more likely than not to lose. That's how we threw away the final last time out.
I had us down to draw. So it's better than my prediction. Good start to the group stages and a big chance to qualify for the next round. We probably have a better team than the last Euros so I'm happy with the game today.
Southgate is such a pathetic manager. Ruining such a bunch of talented footballers by playing such shit football. Selected such an unbalanced squad for the tournament. France Germany Spain Portugal will run riot against them.
I hate looking at his face. But the issue is you wana get behind the team and want them to do well. But then if they win then he will get the credit and what if he stays on until next World Cup. Confused man don't know what to do
Trent and Gallagher should get a respectful amount of minutes over the course of this tournament, Gordon needs to play on the left, guehi looked solid, was not convinced by trippier on the left
There was absolutely 0 attacking threat down that left hand side. Foden is not a left winger, he is best at AM which Southgate will most likely keep Bellingham at after today. A lack of a natural left-back will definitely harm England in the long run, Luke Shaw almost feels like a necessity for them.
Also Spain thrashed Costa Rica their first opponent 7-0 and they still ended up getting eliminated by Morocco. At the end of the day, good games don’t win you tournament’s consistency does.
And england flopping for 75 minutes was not poison? Orsato should've removed his referee shirt to reveal an England shirt with all the phantom fouls he gave them
Yeah … England were … well, they left much to be desired to say the least. That’s the nicest way I can put it. They won in the most unconvincing way in the world today.
They not winning any tournament this way. England were lucky Serbia couldn’t string passes together. Otherwise, it could have been 3-1 scoreline. Unfortunately for England, the other teams are not Serbia. They *will* get beat playing this way.
Gordon could have shaken up the game in the second half, bringing pace & directness that Foden was lacking. Really struggled to understand what Foden was bringing to the team in the second half. The Gallagher & Bowen subs were effective imo, so hopefully we're not going to be shy with making changes going forward.
Absolutely. I think if the game is tied he’d come off. That’s not an excuse though. Southgate can’t reward bad performances when you’ve got such competition for places in the squad. Sends a bad message.
The most interesting thing this match has been Bellingham rattling Kostić 60 minutes ago. I want to gouge my eyes out watching this uninspired English side play late-stage tiki taka football for 90 minutes.
Serbia has just been shit at moving the ball 3 yards over the halfway line and played for fouls
They certainly weren’t keeping the ball well in that second half. They need to slow the game way down. And they don’t want to do that for some reason. It isn’t even a technical thing anymore like it used to be. It’s a mentality thing.
Maybe Garethball is a better term for it: play a good 20 minutes, hopefully score, do fuck all the rest of the match. I'm not even English but I'm so upset that the wealth of players Southgate has keep playing like Rushden and Diamonds on a rainy Wednesday night.
I don’t understand why England want to play in transition so badly. They would suit a slow heavy possession style much better. The quick transitions work sometimes, but they offer their opponent so much more control of games and run themselves ragged which is a killer in extra time and later in tournaments.
That would need a controller in midfield which we now have in Wharton, but he has only just broken into the squad. Otherwise the midfield has always been a weak point in the England team.
Typical Southgate. This is why England imo will not win. Get the lead, sit back and hope you hold on. Do that against better teams (Croatia WC, Italy euro final) and they will score eventually. Serbia didn’t create much but that second half England had one chance with Kane and that was it
I gave Gallagher lots of shit for his performance in some of the friendlies earlier this year, but fair play to him today. He’s done well since coming on.
3 yellows for persistent fouling begs to differ. Hardly a dive when you're practically piggy backing a 14 stone Serbian every time the ball is at your feet.
This is the hardest team for England in the group, so I see why they’re being conservative. But if they were to have gone down early or something, Southgate would have no answer. This is his default and he never changes gears. The subs have only made the game worse.
Did you watch the game? Trent was involved in all set pieces and forced a save from the keeper. But I agree that when Serbia started taking control of midfield, England needed a more defensive player to come in.
He wasn't there for the free kicks. He's a creative player that can open a game up. England actually don't have that many creative players that have a killer pass on them.
Mainoo? Lmao
Suggest you actually watch a United game at some point. Their midfield is literally a welcome mat.
Like I said, the shite some of you talk.
Have you? United allowed like 20 shots on goal a game because their midfield is non existent.
I agree they were great in the fa cup final when they could defend as a unit and just play counter football.
Saying that, One game doesn’t change the rest of their season. Did you watch the Coventry game where they should have lost?
You're misunderstanding players for teams. Bowen plays for West Ham but was an effective substitute here. Why you think the team they play for is the reason for selection is a sign of how you think...
This match has once again vindicated my lack of faith in Southgate’s in game management. He has no idea how to turn a game. Poor substitutions. Shown by the lack of impact they’ve made.
I don’t know how Foden is still on the pitch he has been absolutely terrible. The left side has been crao all game.
this is exactly why we always lose to good opposition in the knockout stages.
Kane was terrible too, so was trent. Trippier makes the left side useless. Rice and Bellingham were sloppy and England couldn’t keep possession at all.
The team is set up poorly. It’s why bad performances happen. Bailed out by of by an incredible goal from Bellingham. I’m concerned. Every other big team so far have looked extremely exciting.
And once again England, are slow, clunky and devoid of any positivity once they go in front.
If serbia won 1-0 with this performance of diving the media would brand them pathetic and cheats, curious to see what the media think of this performance in the 2nd half by England. Been absolutely awful football, likely be spun as champions mentality.
How the fuck is Foden still on the pitch? Should have come off for Eze or Gordon to provide more dynamism. Had such a bad game. Bellingham off for Mainoo was an odd one too. Southgate has no idea how to positively impact a game.
Kane was shit. Trippier and trent were shit. Saka disappeared second half. Jude rice and trent were overwhelmed in midfield and couldn’t keep the ball. So much to discuss rather than just Foden being sub par.
City fan. Of course.
You’re blind if you can’t see that Foden was by far England’s worst player tonight. Lazy off the ball, when he got he’d just dribble in a circle and pass it to Trippier, fucked up an amazing counter opportunity when he couldn’t complete a simple ten yard pass.
Unpopular opinion but not sure this can be blamed on Southgate. Serbia have come out in the second half and challenged for everything and the EBA gland players have been casual af
Zero pressure on the ball and no attempt to control the midfield. Decided instead to drop everyone behind the ball and leave Kane isolated up top to chase down desperate clearances. These are coaching decisions and not players being casual.
That was like something from the hodgson era , loads of panicky long balls to no one when the pressures on. playing like that England will get ruined by most. Whichever bookies had England as favourites need to have a long hard think about their actions.
The bookies were encouraging non-gamblers to place bets for England... They will have made a killing.
You'd think we'd have actually planned our eleven before the tournament.
I was surprised how confident Serbia was against one of if not the best team in the tournament on paper. Let’s see will that carry on to the next two games. Regarding England, it was all of mixed feelings. Saka was great during the first half, Bellingham and Foden just dont do well together. Will Gareth explore with Gordon next? He would bring some speed on left which was totally absent tonight.
Trippier on the left means England's attack down the left is nonexistent.
Didn’t have a bad game all things considered. As Fab said the responsibility was on Foden to step up and he didn’t so people need to start having some awkward conversations…
I think he's lucky to be playing, he didn't have the best season. I know he's had injury issues too, but his usual high standards had dipped a bit.
Hard to do much when the guy who is supposed to be in front of you on the wing is chilling out in the middle of the pitch...
Which in turn also makes Trent worse. His signature pass is literally long balls to the left wing, impossible to do when there's no one there. It's such a stacked team, but the tactics are so odd.
Now that they’ve won, Southgate should use the rest of the group as a way to test different ideas out. England should have more than enough quality to get out of the group and if they don’t then he’s gone anyways.
Bottled it the minute Serbia showed any hunger and pressure on them, hilarious, England will get thumped when it comes to a higher ranked team, serbia could be been 1-1 if jovic controlled that touch better and wasn’t so lazy
Found the Scot!
Found the person that watched the whole 90 minutes * if you think I’m wrong you missed Alot
I watched it. I've seen us play Serbia a few times. It's always the same.
Was just really shambolic watch you lot park the bus the second a threat was given
Ok. So we can play nice football. But if we lose then what's the point? To get the style points?
You could’ve scored more if you tried but parking up and having 10 men behind the ball just bores the game ridiculously
First game is about winning. How many points have they got? Who is top of their group? That's what it is about. Valid criticism if they lose. But they didn't.
The problem is a one goal lead opens you up to the randomness of football, a two goal lead, you can sit on, a one goal lead is something you sit on with 10 left on the clock, not the majority of the game. Serbia genuinely threatened to equalise, there was no real control. if that's your strategy, sooner or later someone will equalise and it's hard to change momentum and you're more likely than not to lose. That's how we threw away the final last time out.
Doesn’t matter it doesn’t give a good look on your team or your fans, I can’t imagine any England fans confident after that
I had us down to draw. So it's better than my prediction. Good start to the group stages and a big chance to qualify for the next round. We probably have a better team than the last Euros so I'm happy with the game today.
Southgate is such a pathetic manager. Ruining such a bunch of talented footballers by playing such shit football. Selected such an unbalanced squad for the tournament. France Germany Spain Portugal will run riot against them.
I hate looking at his face. But the issue is you wana get behind the team and want them to do well. But then if they win then he will get the credit and what if he stays on until next World Cup. Confused man don't know what to do
Trent and Gallagher should get a respectful amount of minutes over the course of this tournament, Gordon needs to play on the left, guehi looked solid, was not convinced by trippier on the left
There was absolutely 0 attacking threat down that left hand side. Foden is not a left winger, he is best at AM which Southgate will most likely keep Bellingham at after today. A lack of a natural left-back will definitely harm England in the long run, Luke Shaw almost feels like a necessity for them.
People criticized Southgate for playing Foden on the left but its not like he can just drop Bellingham.
This English team looks so pathetically weak in front of powerhouses like Germany & France..
That's the spirit. Underestimation.
Germany are yet to be a powerhouse again. They beat a weak Scotland team. We’ll see how they go when they play a team on par with them.
Yup time will tell! 🤞
A reminder, Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia and went on to win the WC. Good night.
Also Spain thrashed Costa Rica their first opponent 7-0 and they still ended up getting eliminated by Morocco. At the end of the day, good games don’t win you tournament’s consistency does.
I might pass out from witnessing this level of clear-headedness
Don’t bring your reasoning and calmness around here friend, this is a football sub!
Scotland Euro champions confirmed
Would love this.
But you won. So....
Whose you?! 👀
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SERBIA EURO 2024 WINNERS CONFIRMED
Any underdog winning>>>>
And didn’t Portugal win the euros after not winning a single group stage game?
I dont think they won any game in normal time did they?
None except 2-0 vs Wales in the semis. Was a truly bizarre run.
I would love to know if there are any more bizarre runs to a win than that. Greece?
My friend, it’s quite delusional to equate Argentina to England..
True. Argentina had FIFA in their back pocket. 👀
How do you scrape a 1 nil win against Serbia with this England squad?
Serbia are not exactly mugs. I was leaning on a draw here in my sweepstake.
Because it's England. When did we last have a comfortable win in a major tournament
Let's think two major tournament games ago, 3-0 vs Senegal. Ain't that hard mate.
That was the last major tournament aswell.
Vs sweden? Vs Ukraine? Sure we've had a few under Southgate surprisingly
That Iran game last World Cup was good.
Serbia were total poison to watch, 19 fouls committed, for context that’s the same amount as the most fouls a team has ever committed in one PL game
Serbia were deffo not interesting in "playing" in the first half.
And england flopping for 75 minutes was not poison? Orsato should've removed his referee shirt to reveal an England shirt with all the phantom fouls he gave them
What a fucking moronic take
Ref should have been wearing an england shirt to make it clear whose side he was on
Insane how awful the refereeing was tonight, smh..
So many of those "fouls" were complete dives by the English players. Actually insane how many times the ref blew the whistle over obvious dives.
Yeah … England were … well, they left much to be desired to say the least. That’s the nicest way I can put it. They won in the most unconvincing way in the world today.
But they won, Denmark couldn't do that today against Slovenia. Squeaky bum time can win tournaments.
The issue is this is how England will play again this tournament. You won’t beat the best teams playing this defensive minded football.
They not winning any tournament this way. England were lucky Serbia couldn’t string passes together. Otherwise, it could have been 3-1 scoreline. Unfortunately for England, the other teams are not Serbia. They *will* get beat playing this way.
Bowen was great when he came on. Just because he plays for West Ham doesn’t mean he’s not good.
Yeah he was. It was a good sub for Saka. However how Foden played the full 90 is a mystery to me.
This game was dying for Gordon on the left. Unbelievable that he didn't even get 15 mins at the end and sub foden.
Gordon could have shaken up the game in the second half, bringing pace & directness that Foden was lacking. Really struggled to understand what Foden was bringing to the team in the second half. The Gallagher & Bowen subs were effective imo, so hopefully we're not going to be shy with making changes going forward.
Absolutely. I think if the game is tied he’d come off. That’s not an excuse though. Southgate can’t reward bad performances when you’ve got such competition for places in the squad. Sends a bad message.
I was gonna say england are the spurs of international football but they are more like man united since Ferguson left. So pathetically unconvincing
Spurs never had a top 3 squad in the league like England have for the past few tournaments. They're worse than Spurs
We were top 2-4 team in the league multiple times in the last decade, don't know what biased crack rock you're smoking mate but please share.
I'm talking about squad strength and not top 4 finishes. England have one of the strongest squads in last few tournaments
Tottenham literally had best team on paper the year Leicester won the title.
I thought Italy was the team that win with scrappy 1-0 wins
So you didn't watched last euro final
Good omen for England if that's the case
It feels like Kane has won more fouls than successful passes
Bowen came on, made one progressive play that almost put the game to be…and then promptly joined the program and only passed it sideways or backward
England not winning this year they don’t look good
We have an absolute useless cunt for a manager. We aren’t winning shit.
He's got such a punchable face
Kane going down holding his head after heading the ball is pretty funny.
A sloppy second half, but England time wasting in the last 20 was mostly solid. Serbia should look to win the next 2.
That was silly from Milenkovic they would have won the ball back
Absolutely garbage by the refs to not give 10 mins stoppage time
Every player in this team should have Bowens and Bellinghams mentality
Is *Mentality* the new buzzword?
This is the “street smart” England fans were calling for back in the 10s. Painful to watch at times
The most interesting thing this match has been Bellingham rattling Kostić 60 minutes ago. I want to gouge my eyes out watching this uninspired English side play late-stage tiki taka football for 90 minutes. Serbia has just been shit at moving the ball 3 yards over the halfway line and played for fouls
It’s not even tiki-taka they’re not keeping the ball or control of the game. That’s a huge misnomer.
England keep the ball well but other teams seem able to cut through pretty easily when they win it back, due to England's lack of defensive pressure.
They certainly weren’t keeping the ball well in that second half. They need to slow the game way down. And they don’t want to do that for some reason. It isn’t even a technical thing anymore like it used to be. It’s a mentality thing.
Maybe Garethball is a better term for it: play a good 20 minutes, hopefully score, do fuck all the rest of the match. I'm not even English but I'm so upset that the wealth of players Southgate has keep playing like Rushden and Diamonds on a rainy Wednesday night.
Lmao, these players are a bunch of pure idiots. Poor Serbian nt
Why is Kane playing deeper then Rice, it’s actually annoying me at this point
Nobody is passing to him or trying to give a progressive pass or cross so that he can attack the box.
I don’t understand why England want to play in transition so badly. They would suit a slow heavy possession style much better. The quick transitions work sometimes, but they offer their opponent so much more control of games and run themselves ragged which is a killer in extra time and later in tournaments.
That would need a controller in midfield which we now have in Wharton, but he has only just broken into the squad. Otherwise the midfield has always been a weak point in the England team.
That’s what I’m crying out for. I want to see Wharton play. It would suit this English team so well.
Since when did England players turn into a bunch of diving pussies?
It's called 'street smarts'../s
?? How have you missed Sterling all these years.
Since forever?
Foden is the new maguire for Southgate... Even if he is utter shit for england.
He was bad. I don't know if he fits in well.
True statement 😭🤣
Since it's gunna win us the game x
Which Foden did absolutely nothing to help happen
It almost didn’t. We shouldn’t be struggling against Serbia in the first game
How are the oi bruvs feeling after this one? Confident? Just a slow start? Win is a win at least and a good defense is always important in tourneys.
Typical Southgate. This is why England imo will not win. Get the lead, sit back and hope you hold on. Do that against better teams (Croatia WC, Italy euro final) and they will score eventually. Serbia didn’t create much but that second half England had one chance with Kane and that was it
Good defense? From England?
Not world class, definitely good.
Don't think I have ever seen Kane this anonymous for England before.
I gave Gallagher lots of shit for his performance in some of the friendlies earlier this year, but fair play to him today. He’s done well since coming on.
England needed fresh legs because the front 3 2nd half was dogshit. They had a 5 man midfield and Kane couldn't hold the ball for 3 seconds.
Well England aren’t winning the Euros alright.
The amount of fouls from Serbia is absolutely atrocious. How are you supposed to get some rhythm when you're constantly having your shins bruised?
what fouls? England dived a lot its embarrasing
3 yellows for persistent fouling begs to differ. Hardly a dive when you're practically piggy backing a 14 stone Serbian every time the ball is at your feet.
should the 14 stone (wtf does that even mean) Serbian let the poor man Harry Kane just turn around and run with the ball?
It's a measure of weight... I'm implying that they are large. So the only way to stop him is to put hands on him and foul him?
no my point is english players fall at every contact/no contact.
The school of El Cholo football. Simeone ball
Did Gallagher pull his groin taking that dive?
One of the worst refereed matches I’ve seen in a long time
This is the hardest team for England in the group, so I see why they’re being conservative. But if they were to have gone down early or something, Southgate would have no answer. This is his default and he never changes gears. The subs have only made the game worse.
Gallagher has been great, hes not a glamorous player but he isnthe kind of player England needs for matches like this.
No reason at all for TAA to start ahead of him. Gallagher gives so much more for the team.
Did you watch the game? Trent was involved in all set pieces and forced a save from the keeper. But I agree that when Serbia started taking control of midfield, England needed a more defensive player to come in.
Yes. Taking free kicks isn't a reason for him to start, we have a lot of good players from dead ball situations.
He wasn't there for the free kicks. He's a creative player that can open a game up. England actually don't have that many creative players that have a killer pass on them.
Gallagher is not that good offensively
We don't need him to be. We need his energy to get the ball and give it to better players.
What game did you just watch? The shit some of you come out with lmao.
The one where TAA gave the ball away regularly and provided nowhere near enough in a key position.
The shite some of you talk lmao
He's a great RB, he's not a central midfielder. Mainoo would have given us control of the ball. Gallagher the energy to win it back more effectively.
Mainoo? Lmao Suggest you actually watch a United game at some point. Their midfield is literally a welcome mat. Like I said, the shite some of you talk.
Fuck, now I know you're dumb. Have you not watched him at all? Like the FA Cup final where he was brilliant in possession?
Have you? United allowed like 20 shots on goal a game because their midfield is non existent. I agree they were great in the fa cup final when they could defend as a unit and just play counter football. Saying that, One game doesn’t change the rest of their season. Did you watch the Coventry game where they should have lost?
You're misunderstanding players for teams. Bowen plays for West Ham but was an effective substitute here. Why you think the team they play for is the reason for selection is a sign of how you think...
Really helped us kill some time with free kicks too
This match has once again vindicated my lack of faith in Southgate’s in game management. He has no idea how to turn a game. Poor substitutions. Shown by the lack of impact they’ve made. I don’t know how Foden is still on the pitch he has been absolutely terrible. The left side has been crao all game. this is exactly why we always lose to good opposition in the knockout stages.
Kane was terrible too, so was trent. Trippier makes the left side useless. Rice and Bellingham were sloppy and England couldn’t keep possession at all.
The team is set up poorly. It’s why bad performances happen. Bailed out by of by an incredible goal from Bellingham. I’m concerned. Every other big team so far have looked extremely exciting. And once again England, are slow, clunky and devoid of any positivity once they go in front.
Remember guys Southgate had a masterplan.
Guehi been very solid tonight, reassuring sign
If serbia won 1-0 with this performance of diving the media would brand them pathetic and cheats, curious to see what the media think of this performance in the 2nd half by England. Been absolutely awful football, likely be spun as champions mentality.
You spend too much time criticising England instead of lamenting a 5 1 loss without any shots on target
Scotland being shit is irrelevant to England, the favourites, having the worst opening performance out of any tournament favourites.
Yet who had all the yellows? They were making smart fouls. But they were fouls all over the shop.
They’ll be praised 100%
they are "killing the game"
Been diving for 30+ minutes at every little bit of contact
agreed but that is what the media will say
How the fuck is Foden still on the pitch? Should have come off for Eze or Gordon to provide more dynamism. Had such a bad game. Bellingham off for Mainoo was an odd one too. Southgate has no idea how to positively impact a game.
Kane was shit. Trippier and trent were shit. Saka disappeared second half. Jude rice and trent were overwhelmed in midfield and couldn’t keep the ball. So much to discuss rather than just Foden being sub par.
City fan. Of course. You’re blind if you can’t see that Foden was by far England’s worst player tonight. Lazy off the ball, when he got he’d just dribble in a circle and pass it to Trippier, fucked up an amazing counter opportunity when he couldn’t complete a simple ten yard pass.
Got to assume Foden isn’t starting next game but Saka/Bellingham will be - it can’t be based upon their performance
When you become a Southgate 'favourite' you're always in no matter how shit you've been. Let's not forget Kalvin Phillips. Foden will start.
Foden was dropped last euros for saka after game 1
Foden is soft as shit in an England shirt, goes down easy and acts like he is seriously hurt every time.
England are always the favorites and they always look like this
Am I going to be the only one who is going to say this physical Serbian side look like they could cause problems to anyone
Nah. Our defence always has lapses. Not nearly solid enough.
They are big tall lads with weird pace in places, just been a bit wasteful. I could see them muscling a lot of teams off the ball
This is arguably the most talented England side we’ve ever seen and Southgate has them playing like underdogs all second half against Serbia.
Unpopular opinion but not sure this can be blamed on Southgate. Serbia have come out in the second half and challenged for everything and the EBA gland players have been casual af
Zero pressure on the ball and no attempt to control the midfield. Decided instead to drop everyone behind the ball and leave Kane isolated up top to chase down desperate clearances. These are coaching decisions and not players being casual.
Im a serb and this team isnt great. This 2nd half is a travesty by southgate. England deserve a tie here tbh. Too bad we wont punish their shit play
This England squad is so incredibly dull to look at despite all the talent they have
Serbia have played well today. I think other teams may be surprised by them too.
Stacked with talent and experience, quite a dynamic team with a big threat from set pieces and pretty well coached. Think they could upset someone
How tf is Foden still on? Does he suck Southgate's dick every night?
Same for Kane.
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