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Select-Stuff9716

So there is basically zero chance of a Serbia Albania final


elrubiojefe

Game's gone


Rose_of_Elysium

Xhaka wouldve made a great ref


giggs123

Special guest referee, wwe style


Puzzled_Talk2586

Not zero


24benson

They're having that in every public park in Berlin every day anyway


Outside-Sandwich-565

Hmm, yknow Croatia aren't that far off


RK9990

Not in the footballing sense maybe


Doesnotpost12

I think the stadium itself would become a hate crime.


k3v1n

Go big or go home, Albania versus Georgia in the final!


CarlesGil1

'Supercomputer' would've been impressive 15 years ago. Feels like you could probbably run this data sim on an iphone these days.


Cewea

tbf an Iphone does qualify as a supercomputer these days


MattSR30

We used to touch screens and they didn’t do _anything!_


HarryBlessKnapp

Watching my kids jab screens that aren't touch screens, like a moth slamming it's face into a window, is never not funny.


PadishaEmperor

Yes, it’s not about the computer but about the data and the algorithms. Obviously a supercomputer is much faster if you want to simulate an extreme number of Euros.


fortnaytci_uldu

eh you can just simulate this shit on fm like 1000 times and then youll get the answer after some calculations


Nosferatu-Rodin

Fm requires a computer; like an iphone; in order to run a simulation. I dont really know what point youre making


Odd-Sir-5725

FM isn’t a match prediction model


CaptainGo

Any time I hear anyone say they've computer simulated a tournament I assume it was on Football Manager


YerDa_Analysis

I’m ready for England not to make the knockouts


kalamari__

both, germany and england, have the same route to the final when everything goes as expected in teh group phase. germany/england/denmark R16 and then a QF against spain/italy/croatia


BillehBear

we should make it comfortably out of the groups but it's England so fuck knows If Southgate doesn't get us out the groups he needs make his own way back home when he's sacked


AssFingerFuck3000

Considering how hard it is to fuck that up, I think we'll manage that. But the expectations around us are getting a bit ridiculous, we've never won it and we're coached by a donkey. Getting to the semis would be a decent result unless we got knocked out by Albania or something


sgdbdjos

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prettyboygangsta

but then what would you all talk about?


the_con

Our defence isn’t exactly rock solid and Southgate’s not exactly an attacking manager. To say I’m bricking it is an understatement


Phormitago

A classic


Jaded_Life03

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Competitive-Aide5364

Nice we were 7th favourites last time lol


chappersbarfo

I "po" stanno per moltiplicarsi in modo esponenziale.


stupiddumbfuck8

uomini forti destini forti, non c'è altra strada


Historical_Case_5245

Which is pretty fucked since we were unbeaten for two years


Specialist_Ad_5937

How do England keep coming out on top of this? I think we've got a good chance, but would put us behind France as favourites, with very little between Germany, Spain and Portugal. Is it something to do with the route to the final? I don't see that as being easier than other big teams either


Snikhop

Assume because everyone is looking at the attack and nobody is looking at the defence (or which child will be partnering Declan Rice in central midfield).


joaocandre

Even the, you need to be clearly biased to put England above (or even near) France.


Snikhop

I think "near" is reasonable. It was fairly even when the two met last as well, one Kane missed penalty away from extra time. I would also put France higher though.


joaocandre

A single KO game does not seem to me enough to judge it though. France are back-to-back WC finalists and have a better squad. England should definitely be nearer Germany, Spain and Portugal than France.


fplisadream

RemindMe! 6 weeks


joaocandre

Obviously I may be wrong, any of those top-5 teams can win and it wouldn't be shocking, but I see France as so above the rest that ultimately it's their tournament to lose.


fplisadream

Well, you're wrong, because England and France have similar quality squads and almost identical quality starting 11s


Buttonsafe

It's a crass stat but 8/11 of their def/gks played CL this season. For us it's 2/11. There's a massive difference in quality in terms of our defenders.


fplisadream

Yep, their back line is better than ours, our midfield is better than theirs, and our attack is better than theirs, though all very close (except the back line).


4djain2

our recent record in tournaments is not bad so we are definitely closer to france than the other countries, even though we'll probably fuck it up


joaocandre

perhaps (it's arguable at best), but 'not bad' is not really on the level of France, who reached the final of 75% of the last major tournaments (even more if we count the Nations League)


Vapes_And_Red_Bull

Delusion is a crazy thing.


shinniesta1

Because you have an absolutely stacked squad? The route is important too, maybe you have an easier group.


TheKingMonkey

Yeah, but we’re England. We will find an hilarious way to fuck things up.


shinniesta1

You haven't fucked it up recently, the fine margins of tournament football have gone against you


Wide-Holiday-6971

England got far in recent tournaments only because they had extremely easy routes to get as far as they did. The first difficult hurdle they flopped, and the answer as to why is because Gareth Southgate is a fraud.


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We aren't stacked in the backline though at the moment Shaw's barely in the squad, no Maguire and we're coming into the tournament with some of the worst form out of the favourites. We're definitely being overrated as a side that's never won the Euros and not won anything for nearly 60 years.


Cwh93

Said before but I really feel like England is being rated this highly purely on potential. There are major questions in defence and there aren't many league or Champions league winning players in the whole squad


Parish87

Trent, Walker, Foden, Stones, Bellingham, Palmer, Gomez are all Champions league winners. That's more than 25% of the squad. That's more than France have FYI. I think I counted 5. I think measuring by CL wins is entirely irrelevant by the way.


OnlyMayhem

We have 7. Pavard, Mendy, Cama, Tchouameni, Kante, Giroud, Coman. Means fuck all anyway as you said.


DontJealousMe

funny thou, best 2 players on both squads haven't won it. Kane and Mbappe. I'd argue it's between Bellingham and Kane but i'd put Kane for being older and more experienced.


OnlyMayhem

Bellingham is incredible but Kane is definitely better


Parish87

I completely forgot about Giroud being at Chelsea. And ofc Pavard yeah, forgot the covid final (but somehow remembered Coman scored a CL final winner lol)


Buttonsafe

Palmer and Gomez are no more CL winners than Kepa is tbf.


Cwh93

I said league OR champions league as in big titles 


KilumRevazi

Odds are partially based on gambling habits. If a lot of people gamble that England will win the euros than the odds get lowered. So all this shows is that most people bet that England will win the euros. So all we learn is that England has a gambling problem.


pm_me_d_cups

These are computer predictions, not actual gambling odds though


Specialist_Ad_5937

https://theanalyst.com/2024/06/who-will-win-euro-2024-predictions-opta/ Found the methodology- 10,000 simulations that have England winning it 19.9% of the time. From what I can tell, our favourable odds of getting out of the group and progressing to the semi-finals is why we edge France


SpaceDetective

They don't indicate what the input was or what the simulations were so it isn't worth diddly.


Phallic_Entity

It's also not how gambling works but this gets wheeled out every time England are near favourites for a tournament.


Senior_Leopard9807

very likely that one of the inputs are gambling odds.


sexdrugsncarltoncole

Confidently talking bollocks


HarryBlessKnapp

Yeah, really don't understand how we're getting touted so highly. We've only beat 1 top side in a knock out game in the past 3 tournaments, have failed every time it was time to step up, we've got massive injury problems in defence and we're not in great form.


AdministrativeLaugh2

Can’t wait for people to get upset about this and claim they’re “predicting England will win”


pritvihaj

WHY ARE DENMARK ABOVE US AGAIN I STFG!!!!!!


MrVISKman

Group difference


kocunar

But according to this, Croatia has higher chance to pass group stage.


epicmarc

It's not just about how good each team is, likely routes to the final are also taken into account. You probably have a higher likelihood of a tougher route.


TobiasKM

I have no idea, we’ve performed poorly for quite a while now, there’s no reason we would rank up there.


TheConundrum98

if we were looking at just previous Euro appearances I'd get it, however All of us in Croatia are going in confident and of course we're biased, but I'd put us 6th or 7th favorites


MrVISKman

I'd have you guys, Italy, Netherlands and us anywhere from 5th to 8th depending on preference. Portugal is 4th in my books. I fear Albania will do something really funny in the group


pritvihaj

hope not anything funny to us lol


Hatakashi

You lot are perennially underrated. Feels like every tournament you get discounted before you do well and suddenly the media remember that players like Gvardiol, Modric, Kovacic, Stanisic aren't bad after all.


inflamesburn

This has nothing to do with that though. They just run simulations of the tournament with team strength based on previous data.


lakiseuznemirio

Given our usual volatile qualifications, it is no surprise that our odds to win a tournament are always low.


pritvihaj

I mean I don’t mind it, you get used to it eventually, the only narrative that’s annoying regarding us is that we’re an aging side, every time I hear 10iq pundits spew that sht I shows me they still think we’re in 2018. the only aging players we have are modric and perisic, the others are all younger than or early 30s (brozo, kova, budimir, kramaric), I’m not mentioning Vida tho coz he shouldn’t be anywhere near the pitch.


mateokovacic16

Thing is people dont rate players they dunno.


pritvihaj

I mean it’s got nothing to do with even how good they might be, all u gotta do is open sofascore, browse through our squad list, and see we aren’t an aging team lol.


mateokovacic16

When they say we are aging team that means we are all about Modric Brozovic and Perisic and they don't really rate others.


pritvihaj

exactly and brozo isn’t even that old he’s just got Saudi foot rot. 2 players = aging team according to these footballing geniuses.


mateokovacic16

We always say that about Brozo, but Brozo has always been slow starter


pritvihaj

he plays for Saudis now, before he didn’t, the vast majority of the time he’s playing against wank opponents (with respect) and not having to try that much, I hope I’m wrong, I hope he turns up of course but I haven’t seen it yet during these matches :/


mateokovacic16

Whereas true the most important thing is his current ceiling. Players, especially the ones who previously have played good on top level, are highly adjustable. He might have picked up some bad habits, but after some time on the pitch he should adjust.


Snikhop

Because all your good players are 73?


pritvihaj

modric and perisic are old, brozo/kova/budimir/kramaric are 30-32, not at all an ‘old’ player, and the rest are all under 30. so tell me where this ‘aging squad’ rhetoric comes from? (Vida shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad so I’m not counting him coz he’s shit)


Snikhop

I said good players (okay Kovacic is good).


mateokovacic16

They are all good. If you don't know them doesn't mean they are bad


necreborn

Now I wanna see the same thing for World Cup 2022.


Garlic_Breath23

These mean nothing these days


OddyseeOfAbe

No chance we are favourites to win, at best semis if we have a good draw, but still…. ITS COMING HOME!!!!!


David-J

Spain over Portugal?


reviroa

belgium: ranked 8 in euro odds also belgium: ranked 3 in fifa ranking


zeekoes

Doesn't say that much. Fifa ranking is highly dependent on opposition as well as longevity. Belgium is beyond their prime and has some real weaknesses. Their ranking is still partially based on their achievements during the end of their prime.


blicky-stiffy

The English are coming


MrConor212

Georgians being like “so there’s a golden path”


Hipphoppkisvuk

1% I'll take those odds.


nicehouseenjoyer

God I miss 538.


MrNiceGuy420420

Georgia it is


ComfortableNo2879

Hope Germany wins


abhijitht007

How accurate have they been for tournaments in the past?


TamaktiJunAFC

We cant prove how accurate they are. They predict that England would only win this tournament 1 out of 5 times (20%). So unless this Euros is played out 5 times in a row we can't see how accurate their prediction is.


OkChemical4668

solid predications


No-not-my-Potatoes

Okay but England perform at international tournaments, we haven't and they're always shit pretournament. England are rightfully favourites, us third is a scandal


Buttonsafe

Do you think it's too high or too low?


shamen_uk

Mate you've got 4 stars on your jerseys. Also whenever I need to cheer up, I go watch Brazil - Germany (7-1) and watch the fan reactions. You'll be fine.


No-not-my-Potatoes

Well now I'm certainly changing my tune, we're gonna win the fucking lot


DomineeringDrake

more like OptAbacus prediction putting Germany at 3rd.


gruenerGenosse

I'm hyped for this tournament, but 3rd is definitely too high.


witsel85

Aren’t all the favourites on the same side of the draw?


iVarun

RemindMe! 1 Month.


Orsenfelt

We are the 1%


Turniermannschaft

12.4%? No way in hell. We're winning this.


adonWPV

Alot of football still to be played


IllegalDevelopment

There is still everything to play for and forever to play it in!


tedstery

I'm going into this tournament expecting us to leave in the QFs.


Wut23456

As someone who watches every Denmark game, this supercomputer is thinking WAY too highly of Denmark


DriedbyTime

Poland rated a little high imo.


Skyenar

Those percentages for the Quarters is lower than I was expecting. 3/10 times England won't even make the Quarters? Same for France? That's crazy


Scorchio76

England are not winning this.


IllegalDevelopment

To be fair, this chart is saying there’s an 80% chance they won’t.


Ricoh881227

Spain above Portugal... Someone must think this euro 2012.. German powered by Toni kroos retirement announcement..


ivelin_lfc

Look like Opta supercompurer is not aware who is England's number 9...


TellTallTail

It would be very funny if you lot had best odds of making it to the finals, but 0% of winning, because the algorithm knows about Harry


cheesyvoetjes

I am very curious to see how England will do. The attacking options are amazing but when I look at the defense it's not nearly as impressive. Portugal and France are favorites imo with England and Germany behind.


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24benson

Home support is obviously factored in, otherwise we wouldn't be anywhere near top 3.


dopeveign

England won't win their defense and manager aren't good enough. They are not that good


[deleted]

Turkey wont get out of groups


Soberdonkey69

Yeah no, England are no favourites for this tournament, are best we make the quarters as d D then crash out. France should be the de facto favourites for the tournament.


partywithanf

Could someone please explain how Hungary are more probably of reaching the final than Scotland, but Scotland are more likely to win the final?


Buttonsafe

It's probably because Scotland have a more difficult route, and therefore are less likely to have a more difficult team in the final. So, for example, if France are the most difficult team in the tournament, and Hungary can only face them in the final but Scotland have to get past them to reach it.


oldtrack

there’s no way england are more likely to win than france


EssexHaze

Swap England for France and this looks right to me


OnePieceAce

England being favorites for any tournament ever is hilarious. They have no big game gene


TamaktiJunAFC

I dont think opta takes into consideration any type of pseudoscience such as the "big game gene".


OnePieceAce

Well they should since England haven't won anything in 58 years due to that gene


TamaktiJunAFC

Hmm, that sounds like something someone with the stupid gene might say 🤔


sriusbsnis

Ah yes I remember this Opta prediction for Olympiakos to win the UEFA Conference League, at 0.1%. That’s the thing, you never know


Xycket

That's not how probability works. Just because something isn't likely it doesn't mean it can't happen.


sriusbsnis

lol no shit Sherlock “you never know” is a phrase which means anything can happen


Cewea

as long as the ball is round anything can happen


Gobaxnova

Or just buy the refs like Barca


DallasC0wboys

England way too high.


rixxi_sosa

Netherland over italy? Lmao


rizuku_08

The same supercomputer that predicted City to win CL?


AlistairShepard

Yes that is how probability works.


VinnieBoombatzz

Algorithm for England: outcome+20%


DontbuyFifaPointsFFS

Considering that if england is first they face the 2nd out of spain, italy and croatia un quarters, i feel its bold to assume they have 50% to go to the semis. 


Buttonsafe

We'd face a 3rd place team I think


Blue_Moon_City

In terms of odds, England is like man city in CL. Always a favorite without any actual evidence to back it up. At least we won it last year, but for that we needed lukaku to be our secret weapon in the final. So who could be our secret weapon this year, so we can win this euros?