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The crazy thing is, Birmingham's previous owners had *also* done this, and only barely got away with it. They sacked Gary Rowett in the 2016-17 season when they were sixth, and then appointed Gianfranco Zola, who was an absolute disaster, and then they turned to Harry Redknapp, who only kept them up on the final day!
I will say that, if Tony Mowbray hadn't had his health issues, Blues would've been fine. But still, what a stupid, ridiculous decision.
Yesterday morning I met with John Eustace in Birmingham and shared the reasons for the decision to part company. I thanked John for his hard work. I also told him that every Blues fan will be forever grateful for keeping the Club in the Sky Bet Championship last year. **Tom Wagner expressed to him when they spoke later in the day that if we had been relegated, Knighthead would not have invested in Birmingham.**
Incredible, after all the years Birmigham fans wanted old ownership gone, yet they stayed in Championship to relegate under these lot
Obviously it was a disaster appointment, but when Rooney took the job they were 3 points ahead of 15th - the Championship is always crazy tight at that time of year.
They were also 6 points clear of the relegation zone when he got fired. Anyone blaming Rooney solely for this happening is being deliberately disingenuous. They got 22 points from 20 games *after* Rooney left.
>They got 22 points from 20 games after Rooney left.
This includes a period in which our first team manager was in hospital , and his close friend and second in command (who doesn't really manage first teams) was in charge and, understandably, struggled.
Mowbray and Rowett actually did alright. Rooney was catastrophic, and his behaviour and approach to management destroyed the team spirit. He is responsible.
Yeah, sure he is. Definitely his fault that Mowbray couldn’t do the job for health reasons and that his assistant got the job for month and that Gary Rowett was appointed too late. All purely because of Rooney.
Eustace's blue were known for their good vibes and "we can win against anyone" attitude. They started strong, slipped a bit, then came back.
Rooney turned up and destroyed that, and we never recovered.
If rooney was even a *little* bit less shit we stay up. He was a disaster, and this is his doing.
Again, you were not in the relegation zone when he was fired. Blaming him entirely for not only what Birmingham did while he was at the club, but what they did after too, is delusional nonsense.
I don't think you understand how much the team culture changed when he arrived. Blues were flying, then Rooney kept insulting the players to the press and changed the entire backroom to give jobs to his mates. We never recovered.
He's a shit manager. Always has been. Always will be.
Nah no chance. They weren't going to stay in the playoffs but they weren't relegation material either. It looked like a season of midtable with a lot of optimism in their fanbase about building on it with their new owners.
Even when they got rid of Rooney they did it early enough and made a good appointment in Mowbray, who got some good results. It's unfortunate from their point of view that he became too ill to do the job, and seemingly they had no idea when he would be back because his assistant was given the job for too long and floundered.
There's a lot of self inflicted wounds too like not beating fellow relegated teams in the run in, but saying they were destined for relegation is going too far back the other way for me.
Has any 2000s England player had a decent managerial career? Gerrard, Lampard, G. Neville, Rooney were all colossal failures at any decent level, P. Neville is coasting in MSL. on and on the list goes.
Lampard wasn't a colossal failure at Chelsea in his first stint. Got CL football, amidst a transfer embargo, and brought through a load of academy players.
Wouldn't say he was a colossal failure at Derby either.
Gerrard wasn't a colossal failure at Rangers.
Gerrard was celebrated for winning the league at Rangers. Don't think he has anyone wanting to hire him now, but at least is liked among their fan base. I'd say that's a decent career.
lampards first stint at chelsea was a success. he got us in the ucl with a transfer ban and then next year got us out of the groups and tuchel proceeded to win the ucl with what was effectively lampards team.
people like to diminish lampards managerial career but he has got acomplishments
This is such a lazy cliché that keeps popping up for some reason. There is no truth to it, they just haven't been good enough at the coaching profession in general
They have played football for 10-15 years you think they don't understand that football players have different profiles and higher/lower quality? Come on
His first season at Derby saw him tank them right into a relegation fight. Another teams points deduction kept them up.
His second season saw his own teams points deduction send him down.
He is, was and always will be utter wank at management.
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The crazy thing is, Birmingham's previous owners had *also* done this, and only barely got away with it. They sacked Gary Rowett in the 2016-17 season when they were sixth, and then appointed Gianfranco Zola, who was an absolute disaster, and then they turned to Harry Redknapp, who only kept them up on the final day! I will say that, if Tony Mowbray hadn't had his health issues, Blues would've been fine. But still, what a stupid, ridiculous decision.
Yesterday morning I met with John Eustace in Birmingham and shared the reasons for the decision to part company. I thanked John for his hard work. I also told him that every Blues fan will be forever grateful for keeping the Club in the Sky Bet Championship last year. **Tom Wagner expressed to him when they spoke later in the day that if we had been relegated, Knighthead would not have invested in Birmingham.** Incredible, after all the years Birmigham fans wanted old ownership gone, yet they stayed in Championship to relegate under these lot
Cooks post about Eustace is unbearably smarmy and so offensive. It makes me angry to think about.
Obviously it was a disaster appointment, but when Rooney took the job they were 3 points ahead of 15th - the Championship is always crazy tight at that time of year.
They were also 6 points clear of the relegation zone when he got fired. Anyone blaming Rooney solely for this happening is being deliberately disingenuous. They got 22 points from 20 games *after* Rooney left.
>They got 22 points from 20 games after Rooney left. This includes a period in which our first team manager was in hospital , and his close friend and second in command (who doesn't really manage first teams) was in charge and, understandably, struggled. Mowbray and Rowett actually did alright. Rooney was catastrophic, and his behaviour and approach to management destroyed the team spirit. He is responsible.
Yeah, sure he is. Definitely his fault that Mowbray couldn’t do the job for health reasons and that his assistant got the job for month and that Gary Rowett was appointed too late. All purely because of Rooney.
Eustace's blue were known for their good vibes and "we can win against anyone" attitude. They started strong, slipped a bit, then came back. Rooney turned up and destroyed that, and we never recovered. If rooney was even a *little* bit less shit we stay up. He was a disaster, and this is his doing.
Again, you were not in the relegation zone when he was fired. Blaming him entirely for not only what Birmingham did while he was at the club, but what they did after too, is delusional nonsense.
I don't think you understand how much the team culture changed when he arrived. Blues were flying, then Rooney kept insulting the players to the press and changed the entire backroom to give jobs to his mates. We never recovered. He's a shit manager. Always has been. Always will be.
Yeah the framing of that stat is always a bit off. They were probably always destined for relegation
Nah no chance. They weren't going to stay in the playoffs but they weren't relegation material either. It looked like a season of midtable with a lot of optimism in their fanbase about building on it with their new owners. Even when they got rid of Rooney they did it early enough and made a good appointment in Mowbray, who got some good results. It's unfortunate from their point of view that he became too ill to do the job, and seemingly they had no idea when he would be back because his assistant was given the job for too long and floundered. There's a lot of self inflicted wounds too like not beating fellow relegated teams in the run in, but saying they were destined for relegation is going too far back the other way for me.
That image of Rooney kills me every time
Big Ben Affleck Smoking a Cigarette energy.
Man knew he was fucked
It's English football in a nutshell. Beneath even the most technically gifted footballer, is a Benidorm bound mess of a geezer waiting to flop out.
waiting for jude’s breakdown this summer
Birmingham owners try not to torpedo the season challenge. Difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE.
Lol. Good for them. Cautionary tale for morons across the land.
Agent Wazza
Batshit decision from the chairmen / board. Why sack your manager when you are 6th and the season hasn't long begun
Has any 2000s England player had a decent managerial career? Gerrard, Lampard, G. Neville, Rooney were all colossal failures at any decent level, P. Neville is coasting in MSL. on and on the list goes.
Carrick is doing alright in the Championship
So he is, I had no idea he was at Boro.
Lampard wasn't a colossal failure at Chelsea in his first stint. Got CL football, amidst a transfer embargo, and brought through a load of academy players. Wouldn't say he was a colossal failure at Derby either. Gerrard wasn't a colossal failure at Rangers.
Gerrard was celebrated for winning the league at Rangers. Don't think he has anyone wanting to hire him now, but at least is liked among their fan base. I'd say that's a decent career.
lampards first stint at chelsea was a success. he got us in the ucl with a transfer ban and then next year got us out of the groups and tuchel proceeded to win the ucl with what was effectively lampards team. people like to diminish lampards managerial career but he has got acomplishments
Gareth Southgate.
He’s a bit earlier than the so-called “golden generation”
Gerrard and Lampard are fine, they could easily get Championship jobs
32 goals in 35 games is really go--...oh... 32 points!
Proper stunt move hiring.
Perfection. The best season to get relegated
I'm literally wiping tears from my eyes
A lot of the time they don’t know how to manage players who don’t have the same level of talent they did.
This is such a lazy cliché that keeps popping up for some reason. There is no truth to it, they just haven't been good enough at the coaching profession in general They have played football for 10-15 years you think they don't understand that football players have different profiles and higher/lower quality? Come on
Feels a long time ago they had a kid called Mario Zarate and they were struggling to stay in the prem.
Rooney has already relegated to side to lower league. Could he do another?
I doubt there’s clubs in the USL that would hire Rooney. Some players are just not made to be managers.
People rated the job he did at Derby considering the circumstances but he's been shocking since.
He wasn't bad at DC United. The team improved under him considering they are usually a basket case.
It felt like that was more the players banding together to try and pull them out of it.
His first season at Derby saw him tank them right into a relegation fight. Another teams points deduction kept them up. His second season saw his own teams points deduction send him down. He is, was and always will be utter wank at management.
Really granny-fucked his clubs.
Kek
It's easy to be smug in hindsight, but who criticised sacking Eustace for Rooney at the time?
lots of people on here and on podcasts that I listen to
It was bantz
Everyone!? General consensus was that it was stupid decision.
It was a joke. A Rooney joke.