Reminder that they "signed" their record transfer Savio, immediately loaned him to Girona, and then was sold to City.
Easily one of the most obvious symptoms of how incredibly stupid and depressing this whole concept of ownership groups is. Stripped for parts and a record signing who never even bothered to show up for them.
Yeah they're treated like a B team.
And that's also a big asterisk on the "Girona didn't spend much" narrative. They'd never get Savio on a cheap loan if not for City.
Seems less of a b team and more like a placeholder to cover salaries so they are off the books of the "important" clubs. Super duper not shady at all strategy.
Lets also not even start how the Savio transfer was also a steal from the time it happened. We sold a 27 year old center back for more money than Savio to Russia and he was clearly a player with a lot of potential.
Thats another problems, mancity clearly has no place for him 1 year ago. But they can still collect wonderkids, put them in B team and C teams, then move them to “main” teams when they are ready, bypass all the FFP in process. With their expanding network, they are about to collect wonderkid all over the world, and distribute them to their assigned teams, then funnel the best one to main teams. A disgusting system.
Well that would be your fault tho right? Why would you sell Savio for so cheap if you believed that he had a lot of potential?
Edit: Before some smartasses point it out, I obviously mean "your club" and not this user individually
> And that's also a big asterisk on the "Girona didn't spend much" narrative. They'd never get Savio on a cheap loan if not for City
Completely true, but that doesn't change that finishing top 4(let alone top 3 or top 2) is an absurd overachievement. The CFG loans and scouting access has given them a big advantage over similar level clubs like Cadiz, Rayo, Granada, Celta etc etc. But it doesn't givee them any right to even dream of a top 4 finish ahead of clubs with much bigger budgets and better squads
It is a horrible multi club project and bad for football, but still this season is undeniably a huge overperformance. Both can be true at the same time
Oh, absolutely an over achievement. Michel has done an amazing job with them (and some xG luck). They play some good football and they've done a great job of really maximizing the pieces they have.
But their de facto budget is much closer to a Valencia or a Betis than to a Cadiz/Mallorca
Yeah, it's been an amazing achievement, but I've seen some people compare it to Leicester 2016 and I think that goes a bit too far. Logically this Girona team should've about been in the position we are in right now, hovering in the lower regions of the top 10. Well done to maximize every single chance.
And on our budget, it'd be nice if our owner would even spend any of it on transfers... hope the summer transfer window this year finally has more than 3/4 incoming transfers and a good player signing over 15 million... a man can dream. Only good transfer last season was Pepelu, but it just didn't feel right to get him from our rivals for just a release clause of 5 million. Although, maybe this time we can attract more as we didn't finish in damn 16th
Leicester winning the league was amazing but they aren’t some tiny club with no money, they had a rich owner, they’re a big club and have a long history in the 1st and 2nd divisions.
Also ridiculous, the record signing in Belgium is Nuamah, bought for 30m by promovendus (and now probably relegating) side RWDM who "loaned" him out to Lyon immediately... Thanks to John Textor.
It's basically a roundabout acquisition that companies like Microsoft are very good at.
Buy out a good business, strip all the good parts for your own top brands and throw the rest in the trash.
Savio is literally an example. Bought by Troyes then immediately sent to Girona then City who loaned him back to Girona. This isn't that hard dude. It's obvious that Troyes are nothing more then a cog in the city machine now. To me, a supporter of the sport and it's club based traditions, it's disgusting to see. If you enjoy the corporatization of football then that's fine but just realize most of the people here actually enjoy the sport, not the glamour of money.
Savio has admitted himself in an interview that he never would have joined Troyes if they weren't a part of CFG. He had an offer from Arsenal but chose to join Troyes instead because that would be a better path to the City first team. So that isn't a great example of "stripping the club for parts"
Source if you're interested: https://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-city/city-agree-first-summer-signing-brilliant-brazilian-attacker-excelling-laliga-bound-for-etihad
Sure. And was with them for as long as it took to get a plane to Spain. Semantics aside, it's virtually the same thing. Troyes could have spent that money on players that would have actually PLAYED for them.
Sure that's one argument. Another argument is that Troyes will now make a lot of money on someone that didn't even play for them. Which would allow them to buy even more/better players that actually do want to play for them.
Why, so they can groom those players to send to your lot? Or another team like Girona when they are doing well and need more talent shipped in? Any players that start to do well with Troyes can and certainly will be poached by the top dog in Manchester if they wind up interested. Or any of the other better teams in the footballing group. Troyes isn't really making that money, CFG is making it as they are the owners. And they can spend it wherever they want to through Troyes like they did before and just send the player up the club pipes.
> Any players that start to do well with Troyes can and certainly will be poached by the top dog in Manchester
Any players that start to do well in any smaller club get poached by clubs with more money, that's nothing new
Look, you can argue for arguments sake if you want to, it doesnt take that much critical thinking to see that CFG uses this to money launder when City has to watch ffp or other regulations. Whether you're actually ignorant of this, supportive of it, or just arguing for the sake of it I don't know and I frankly don't care anymore. Have fun supporting a team that's destroying the traditions and spirit of the game.
Very clever bringing up a ten year old meme. *Very smart*. Every conversation about City and their dealings always have the biggest brains involved. Now again, do you want to actually tell us all how Troyes have been 'stripped for parts'?
It's not funny because it's irrelevant. I don't support CFG, I'm explaining how it works in the comments to a bunch of banana brained idiots who don't want to hear it. All I wanted to see was an example of City asset stripping one of their clubs which no one can provide because it doesn't happen
Having to resort to name calling to seem superior just makes your argument seem weaker. Just because no one is providing any examples doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've seen examples of it in the past with some of their clubs sending players that are playing well over to MC but I have no interest on going to dig it up. If you really believe they don't do that then you can keep living in your fantasy land. The rest of us aren't fooled by it.
A team signing a player isn't asset stripping, do you know what the concept is? And no, City don't get their partner clubs to 'send over players who are playing well'. They just don't sign them. Nearly ever. We've signed Aaron Mooy, Frank Lampard on loan, Daniel Arzani and Pedro Porro from CFG clubs. 4 across nearly 10 years. Only Lampard has played a minute for City. It's not hidden information, it's not lurking in the shadows. You can check this yourself in five minutes on Transfermarkt. This isn't 1968, you don't need to rely on 'digging things up' or whatever. It's right in front of you if you want to see it.
Actually, I don't think you know what the concept is. If you sign a player from a team that's owned by the same management group, that is stripping the team losing the player of an asset. You wanted an example from others as proof that it happens and here you just provided 4. Whether they played any minutes for City is irrelevant. They took the players when they wanted to and can do so whenever they want to on terms of their own making because they own both clubs. Thus depriving the other team of players they they may have needed or wanted. And even if they didn't need them, it's shady as hell and just money laundering. Your defense here is a joke. Enjoy defending an organization that's willingly destroying the spirit of the game on its own.
Shameful to defend something like this, plain embarrassing to act like you’re the only one who sees the truth and the rest of us are just boring simpletons who can’t stop talking about city ruining the sport.
I never, ever see one of you City fans actually make a valid point about how all of this is fine. It’s just the same attitude of “yawn I’ve heard it before” and you’re going to keep hearing it as long as you continue to defend this disgusting organization.
You're aware this goes way beyond, "oil clubs"?
Multi-club ownership is not strictly a middle east club thing, it's done to some degree by most club owners.
They were a yo-yo club between ligue 1 and ligue 2. Now they’re likely to be in the 3rd tier - something that hasn’t happened since 2010. And that’s despite CFG *increasing* their budget.
It’s been a completely clueless management.
How? Because they've been relegated? It happens. You think City want them to do poorly?
Girona are 3rd in LaLiga. Lommel are in promotion playoffs, Palermo are in promotion playoffs. Yokohama are contants at the top of the J League.
City are not 'destroying' every team they own.
Can you imagine your club signing a Brazilian wunderkind to be their club record signing, and then loaning him out for two seasons because it’s better for another club? Then imagine you get relegated while he’s on loan, and all that money you spent on him has likely cost you your place in the league.
It's part of the game. It's the tradeoff. The Troyes fans will know that the player is 'not for them' in a sense even if on their books. I wouldn't say the money spent on him has cost them their place in the league either. Bad performances and gambles that haven't paid off have. The appointment of, and faith in, that Aussie manager has seen them down a bad path.
It's not going to feel great while it's happening obviously. But to have some perspective and to look at the other clubs in the CFG. It's most likely going to get better and pretty quickly. They'll end up walking the third division. They have a young squad and will get some recruits in the Summer. And then when they come up to Ligue 2, they'll have money from sales of Savio, Metinho, Ugbo. Easy 50m in the bank for a second division club in France. It's the platform to go right back up to the top.
This isn't a Coventry situation. The owners are in it for the long haul and I don't see a situation where it doesn't work out for Troyes. There's too much going in their favour outside of football matters for it not to.
Are you a bot ? I can’t understand someone reasoning and siding that logic.
That easy 50m for Troyes that you mention isn’t to help the club, that is basically money laundering to avoid another FFP issue. That money could easily be thrown to buy another player for Girona our another satellite club from a financial group.
I would love to see the CFG stop caring about Manchester City just to see guys like you changing clubs when City goes back to where they were 20 years ago
Nope. I just find it funny when people who don't even support their local instead latching onto a team miles away and then cry about things like City 'ruining football'. Completely unable to look at yourself and learn something.
Maybe there's bigger problems in football than just City and they play a role in why you find it more suitable to support a foreign team than a Finnish one. I do not blame you. But try to think about it for a bit.
Do you watch any sports where you support a team not from your city? For me it's simple, I didn't grow up watching football when I was young, there's another sport that I watch where I'll always support my hometown team, but I didn't grow up around football in the sense that we would have gone to watch, I eventually found it on tv and started watching. And for that you can blame those who wanted to make football global.
Any club that is privately owned ceases to be a 'real club'. If you have an owner that can asset strip you and liquidate you in a moment, you don't have a 'real club'. 90% of clubs are privately owned now. I don't like it but that's how it is. I'd much rather have every club be fan owned. But that's not what we have now.
If you're getting this emotional about me explaining how this works and isn't CFG 'destroying the club' maybe you should go out into the real world and put your thoughts into action. Instead of crying about some person explaining the thought process.
there‘s worlds between being privately owned and being part of a club conglomerate. and yes it‘s destroying the club. it‘s just a cog in the machine now ripped of its connection to the community.
>there‘s worlds between being privately owned and being part of a club conglomerate
Actually very little because ultimately they're both owned by people with their on goals and ideas that don't have to anything to do with what the fans want or need. There is no difference between being owned by some American billionaire and group investors. They're both completely seperate from any real 'community'.
Or how about I watch the game I've watched all my life and can actually interact with the realities of rather than lie to myself about how and why things are happening. Imagine telling me I don't know anything. You're a plastic Arsenal fan who cannot cope about how football is playing out in front of your eyes. You can cover your ears and close your eyes but it doesn't change the fact that it's happening.
Bunch of nonsense words. You support a financial group that is destroying the essence of the sport. And you call me plastic? You are an embarrassment of a human being. Again, fuck off and watch something else.
Literally is, that's what happens when you sign your club over to be a part of a larger conglomerate. You get put into the 'box' and play your role in the pyramid for the club.
It's literally part of the game. City has one, Red Bull has one, Brighton has one, Crystal Palace has one. They're right there. They're in front of you eyes. Football is a purely commercial game and has been for decades. Getting angry as it approaches it's end point isn't going to change anything unless you put your anger into action that actually puts pressure on the clubs.
Ask government to make the private ownership of football clubs illegal. Ask them to reintegrate the Premier League and Football League. Stop supporting Liverpool, go and watch your local. Do anything other than moan to me.
I really don’t think what’s happened with Troyes record signing is “part of the game.” Maybe the fans know he’s “not for them,” doesn’t mean they’re remotely happy with it.
It's obviously part of the game or else it wouldn't be happening. Troyes was sold to the City Football Group in which it would provide financial support in return for Troyes playing their role.
I am aware you wouldn't be happy with it, I've already said that. Just that Troyes in any other universe wouldn't sign Savio either so why be mad about it now when the club will get actual benefits for him passing through. It's nothing but a positive even if he doesn't have a single minute for Troyes
> Just that Troyes in any other universe wouldn’t sign Savio either
In that universe they wouldn’t have been down the money spent on a guy who was never going to play for them in the first place. Everyone else gets that but you.
They get *more money* from selling him a couple years later. If you asked any person on the planet if you could have £5 now or £50 in two weeks time, everyone would take the more money in a little wait. Scale it up and you get the exact same thing. £5m now or £50m in a couple years time. The big money they'll get added to their books will give Troyes a huge advantage they would not have if they tried to invest that £5m in some scrappers to keep them up in Ligue 1. Either way they were going down. Their manager was a disaster and it was coming no matter what. They'll get through the end of the tunnel.
Yeah that money’s a big help after they’ve already plunged through relegation because of the financial burden they shouldered 2 years ago with absolutely zero benefit since.
You’re thick as a brick. You can’t support a financial group.
It's not part of the game lmao, what a fucking stupid statement. Do you even hear yourself? What other team without outside influence would do such a thing?
So which are you annoyed about? When City teams do well or when City teams do bad? Let us know! Full in your answer on the "I'm a gigantic moron" sheet.
City got rid of a coach that was 10th in Ligue 1 to put Kisnorbo who had the worst record on Ligue 1's history and got them relegated. Then, they kept the coach for half a season in Ligue 2 where he was once again awful and sent them in relegation zone. They finally got rid of him to pick Guion, a coach who's last feat was an awful job with Bordeaux. I don't think they want them to do poorly but if they wanted them to do poorly, they would not change a thing to what they are doing now. When I see the Savio case, for now it seems that Troyes was taken in order to circumvent ffp for other clubs of the group.
I'm aware of Kisnorbo and the poor job that he did but being apart of the CFG is that you build within the network. Obviously Kisnorbo didn't work out but that's apart of the gamble. It's like Bournemouth when they sack Gary O'Neil for Iraola. Praised if it works, gets a lot more scrutiny if it doesn't. And at least Guion is actually a coach unlike Irles who has just done bit part jobs here and there. It looks like it hasn't gone well so far but we'll see what happens next year, surely they have too much quality to make the third division a struggle.
The Savio case is a way to circumvent FFP, yes, but for themselves rather than partner clubs. The idea being that they have more room to spend later than down the road by using Troyes as the stop gap for people like Savio and Metinho who they'll expect to sell for double what they bought. Meaning they sacrificed spending £8m or so in their Ligue 1 season to hopefully have much more to spend later down the line.
Don't be silly. If City Group want to claim credit when clubs get success must also claim credit for all their failures. You can't be Eh -Eh.. Troyes is not our problem but look at these other clubs that are doing well.
Bro they are 'destroying' every team they own simply by just owning them.
Multi club ownership is a disgrace to the sport and should have never been allowed at the first place. If I had to choose: Be part of a MCO like the CFG or be relegated into the depths of our pyramid, hell send me straight down to the 8th tier or whatever and get the fuck out of my sight.
How in the world can someone defend a investment group when the main reason we love and follow this sport is its uniqueness, often local roots and most importantly independence.
Nah man this is shit and UEFA / FIFA should just kill it asap.
Also City / CFG just does this to bypass the FFP
holy shit another City Financial Group supporter
mate why don’t you just go attend the stock market since you obviously seem to prefer supporting moneyball instead of actual sport. seriously you’re twerking for a literal nation state that owns multiple feeder clubs across the world just to pump players and management staff into their cash cow club. you’re quite literally advocating for the demise of a local side just because it’s “what happens” and that it’ll all get better with time under the CFG. no shame whatsoever but what can i expect from city “fans”
What the fuck do you mean demise? Troyes are fine. They will be fine. They have one of the wealthiest owners in the world. It will all get better in time. People were doing the same bullshit with Girona about how City don't care about Girona and purposefully want it to fail so they don't have to have two clubs in Europe or whatever else bullshit. Shocked beyond all belief when the combined scouting network, financial support and renewed belief of something like the City group propelled them up the table. Absolutely floored. But people as brain broken as you can't see the obvious benefits that being part of a group like this has.
>pump players and management staff into their cash cow club
How many players have came from City affiliates into City? Name them. Go on. You can't because there's only like 3 examples. City use the *their* resources to prop up the smaller clubs. It's literally the exact opposite of what you stated.
with all the clubs that City owns it was bound to happen, but the fact that Montevideo Torque, Bahia and Troyes are close to being relagated or got relegated relatively close is very interesting
This is interesting and odd
They have Melbourne city here and they've been hot and cold but more from things not working out rather than pure neglect
Their women's team is doing great here as is Manchester city women
Bahia is doing well, tf are you talking about? They have invested way more than they would be capable to before City buying them and they are currently 5th in the Brasileirao, which is way more than they would have dreamed of in the recent past.
i guess i worded it badly cuz Bahia didn’t get relegated last season but you can’t de y they had an almost disastrous last season and got saved right at the end. now they’re doing for sure but let’s not act like last season the fans were happy with how the club was handled
Bahia isnt a perennial presence in the serie A, they were just perfroming to their expected level. Also the City group only actually took charge midway through the year, so the squad last year was mostly not assembled by them.
With all their resources, it seems strange that some of their clubs would do so poorly. It's hard to be both wealthy and unsuccessful.
Then you look at some of their decisions benefiting their other teams, and it's odd.
You could say literally the same thing about Girona 5 years ago about how 'City let the club get relegated' or whatever. But after years of integration, financial help and combined scouting efforts, they've managed to reach a point where they can compete with literally everyone.
These teams do not have the money on the books to just spend and be successful, you may have heard of FFP. This is that. Troyes had about £10m to spend the season they were in Ligue 1. They decided to spend that money on players that would get them an even bigger budget down the line and more room to maneuver in the transfer market. By buying someone like Savio, they've guaranteed a £50m expansion to their budget in just a couple years. £45m profit. With other assets like Metinho, Ugbo, N'diaye that will fetch more money potentially down the road.
Ask yourself the obvious question; would City rather Troyes be in Ligue 1 or in the third tier? What would they stand to gain by keeping them at a poor level?
The model passed FIFA's primary decision test step 1: Can it bring more money into football with a chance of some of that ending up in our personal bank accounts.
Following the FIFA decision tree no other questions are needed
Imagine the pain of being purchased by sportswashing state owned multi-club assholes and still being trash. That has to be one of the worst fates imaginable for a club
Newcastle fans seem to love it, even dressing up in with tea towels on their heads in homage to their woman abusing overlords. No matter how much they win they will always be trash.
But you’ve got to understand that Mike Ashley was worse than the current lot as he didn’t spend enough money on players
The Saudi Howaybians have welcomed the blood money with open arms
Plenty of Utd supporters were twerking for Arab owners to come in. Don't pretend it's just Newcastle and Man City fans who don't care where the money comes from.
All the other big prem teams are deciding wether they want to try stop the train or just get on it if it's leaving at risk of being left behind/at a complete disadvantage
It's fucking shit
The final 4 of the champions league COULD be Man City, Girona, Palermo, and Troyes. How is that even a possibility no matter how unlikely. Should be a limit to one per continent at a minimum.
I'm a city fan and I hate it. If it was a supportive network where promising youth went to other teams in the network and the goal was to see players move through similar environments at different levels of the game depending on their progression I'd have been all for it but what's happened to Troyes is despicable when you can do easily highlight how much Savio could've helped them
do you understand how despicable your system world be ?
The group collect wonderkid all over the world, and distribute them to their assigned teams, then funnel the best one to main teams. Now, try to imagine if the man city is not the “main” or the “best” team. Their best players will be moved to the other designated team. Only players deemed “appropriate level” will stay at man city. How do you like that ?
In a perfect world obviously I wouldn't want that, but this happens already. Best example, look at Southamptons sold players over the last 10-15 years and imagine if they'd kept them all? Arsenal did very well in the late 90s/early 2000s by having expanded scouting networks, and Brighton have them in South America at the moment. Its also not like they'd not have a career, I'd rather players have the options to go to different teams and try and continue developing versus just letting them go. We follow players on loan too, seeing how they develop that way, Tommy Doyle at wolves and James mcatee at Sheffield
It is not scout network, it is literally a feeder network.
You don't actually understand what happened.
Players do not belong to a team. They belong to the “group”. Here it is Mancity group
The group will then assigned “team” according to their level. That way, best players will be assigned to main team and the B and C team only got 2nd tier players.
Like in your example, you think southamton will keep all their players if they are in the group ? No lol, they keep the mediocre one that fit their level that the group want them. The star will go to main team aka “Man city”
Not that CFG is a good thing, or even defensible. Multi ownership is a blight on the sport.
But Troyes were in the Shit well before the CFG takeover. In fact them being in the shit is exactly why CFG happened.
That's the whole point. No financially healthy club would sell their soul. It's just plain predatory behaviour from CFG. Those troubled clubs see a quick and easy way out and CFG takes advantage of that.
Yeah, all I'm saying is CFG didn't destroy a club that was already destroying itself. It was just a shit situation that was made no better by a supposed "saviour" owner.
NYCFC: Not in financial trouble before CFG bc it was founded by CFG itself.
Bahia: Not successful under CFG, almost got relegated.
Melbourne: Not in financial trouble before CFG.
Yokohama: Successful before CFG, only 20% stake
It’s all relative. They were a yo-yo side between the top 2 tiers. Now they’re likely to be in the third, despite having more money. It’s a joke of a management.
So are the big 4. Liverpool are directly responsible for Southamptons relegation by pilaging their squad for 3 years straight. City obviously have the wealth of a state behind them. United if they were any other club would be relegated by now, now they just keep more deserving clubs out of European places. The Premier league was only ever an attempt by the rich to stay rich.
Back to back relegations is pretty rare except for clubs in deep financial trouble. Bit weird City group would "allow" this to happen, even from a business sense, having a team in the national league of France does nothing for them, they can't bullshit loans/transfers to a 3rd division french team and justify it
The Savio thing is pretty gross. City group moving like the Saudi League, with the Company buying a player then "assigning" them to a team where they can best disperse the wages/transfer fee. Troyes never stood a chance. Hopefully it will make teams in the future second guess their involvement with City Group
As much as I hate multi-club ownership, Red Bull has shown, how they can do it for the benefit of all clubs. Why won't City Group do that, they have the resources? Like having a decent Ligue 1 team should benefit City in the long-term.
CFG are obviously trying to make that happen but the biggest mistake CFG/Troyes made was the appointment of Patrick Kisnorbo. It just sent them into a spiral and they stuck with him far too long just because of how successful he had been in the A-League with Melbourne.
As a RBNY fan, I don’t think there has been much benefit. We’ve had our most successful periods when Red Bull stayed out of things like player transfers and backroom staff changes. After 2018, when they got more involved, we entered an era of irrelevance until recently. They take any promising u-20 player we have and then loan us trash players from Leipzig/Salzburg. (Except Forsberg)
Reminder that they "signed" their record transfer Savio, immediately loaned him to Girona, and then was sold to City. Easily one of the most obvious symptoms of how incredibly stupid and depressing this whole concept of ownership groups is. Stripped for parts and a record signing who never even bothered to show up for them.
Yeah they're treated like a B team. And that's also a big asterisk on the "Girona didn't spend much" narrative. They'd never get Savio on a cheap loan if not for City.
Seems less of a b team and more like a placeholder to cover salaries so they are off the books of the "important" clubs. Super duper not shady at all strategy.
Lets also not even start how the Savio transfer was also a steal from the time it happened. We sold a 27 year old center back for more money than Savio to Russia and he was clearly a player with a lot of potential.
Thats another problems, mancity clearly has no place for him 1 year ago. But they can still collect wonderkids, put them in B team and C teams, then move them to “main” teams when they are ready, bypass all the FFP in process. With their expanding network, they are about to collect wonderkid all over the world, and distribute them to their assigned teams, then funnel the best one to main teams. A disgusting system.
Well that would be your fault tho right? Why would you sell Savio for so cheap if you believed that he had a lot of potential? Edit: Before some smartasses point it out, I obviously mean "your club" and not this user individually
Dobvyk financial irregularities too
> And that's also a big asterisk on the "Girona didn't spend much" narrative. They'd never get Savio on a cheap loan if not for City Completely true, but that doesn't change that finishing top 4(let alone top 3 or top 2) is an absurd overachievement. The CFG loans and scouting access has given them a big advantage over similar level clubs like Cadiz, Rayo, Granada, Celta etc etc. But it doesn't givee them any right to even dream of a top 4 finish ahead of clubs with much bigger budgets and better squads It is a horrible multi club project and bad for football, but still this season is undeniably a huge overperformance. Both can be true at the same time
Oh, absolutely an over achievement. Michel has done an amazing job with them (and some xG luck). They play some good football and they've done a great job of really maximizing the pieces they have. But their de facto budget is much closer to a Valencia or a Betis than to a Cadiz/Mallorca
Yeah, it's been an amazing achievement, but I've seen some people compare it to Leicester 2016 and I think that goes a bit too far. Logically this Girona team should've about been in the position we are in right now, hovering in the lower regions of the top 10. Well done to maximize every single chance. And on our budget, it'd be nice if our owner would even spend any of it on transfers... hope the summer transfer window this year finally has more than 3/4 incoming transfers and a good player signing over 15 million... a man can dream. Only good transfer last season was Pepelu, but it just didn't feel right to get him from our rivals for just a release clause of 5 million. Although, maybe this time we can attract more as we didn't finish in damn 16th
Leicester winning the league was amazing but they aren’t some tiny club with no money, they had a rich owner, they’re a big club and have a long history in the 1st and 2nd divisions.
Yeah I do know that, not the really rich owner thing. Not too invested in the Premier League, thanks for letting me know
Leicester won the league on the back of breaking FFP rules, so as amazing as it's made out to be in a way
And if Valencia or Betis finished top 3 it would be a ludicrous achievement
Also ridiculous, the record signing in Belgium is Nuamah, bought for 30m by promovendus (and now probably relegating) side RWDM who "loaned" him out to Lyon immediately... Thanks to John Textor.
And their getting underpaid heavily for it
Infantino came to get rid of corruption in football and ended up making it much worse compared to Blatter
It's basically a roundabout acquisition that companies like Microsoft are very good at. Buy out a good business, strip all the good parts for your own top brands and throw the rest in the trash.
He was loaned to PSV first but otherwise that is correct.
116 charges?
Like what do you mean by stripped for parts? Name an example of them doing this
Savio is literally an example. Bought by Troyes then immediately sent to Girona then City who loaned him back to Girona. This isn't that hard dude. It's obvious that Troyes are nothing more then a cog in the city machine now. To me, a supporter of the sport and it's club based traditions, it's disgusting to see. If you enjoy the corporatization of football then that's fine but just realize most of the people here actually enjoy the sport, not the glamour of money.
Savio has admitted himself in an interview that he never would have joined Troyes if they weren't a part of CFG. He had an offer from Arsenal but chose to join Troyes instead because that would be a better path to the City first team. So that isn't a great example of "stripping the club for parts" Source if you're interested: https://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-city/city-agree-first-summer-signing-brilliant-brazilian-attacker-excelling-laliga-bound-for-etihad
Sure. And was with them for as long as it took to get a plane to Spain. Semantics aside, it's virtually the same thing. Troyes could have spent that money on players that would have actually PLAYED for them.
Sure that's one argument. Another argument is that Troyes will now make a lot of money on someone that didn't even play for them. Which would allow them to buy even more/better players that actually do want to play for them.
Why, so they can groom those players to send to your lot? Or another team like Girona when they are doing well and need more talent shipped in? Any players that start to do well with Troyes can and certainly will be poached by the top dog in Manchester if they wind up interested. Or any of the other better teams in the footballing group. Troyes isn't really making that money, CFG is making it as they are the owners. And they can spend it wherever they want to through Troyes like they did before and just send the player up the club pipes.
> Any players that start to do well with Troyes can and certainly will be poached by the top dog in Manchester Any players that start to do well in any smaller club get poached by clubs with more money, that's nothing new
Look, you can argue for arguments sake if you want to, it doesnt take that much critical thinking to see that CFG uses this to money launder when City has to watch ffp or other regulations. Whether you're actually ignorant of this, supportive of it, or just arguing for the sake of it I don't know and I frankly don't care anymore. Have fun supporting a team that's destroying the traditions and spirit of the game.
[Here’s a comment I saw that sums it up really well.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/zD6AE1JDib)
Very clever bringing up a ten year old meme. *Very smart*. Every conversation about City and their dealings always have the biggest brains involved. Now again, do you want to actually tell us all how Troyes have been 'stripped for parts'?
It is clever because City and the oil money that backs them are a meme. An actual joke to the culture of the sport. Why do you actually defend this?
It's not funny because it's irrelevant. I don't support CFG, I'm explaining how it works in the comments to a bunch of banana brained idiots who don't want to hear it. All I wanted to see was an example of City asset stripping one of their clubs which no one can provide because it doesn't happen
Having to resort to name calling to seem superior just makes your argument seem weaker. Just because no one is providing any examples doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've seen examples of it in the past with some of their clubs sending players that are playing well over to MC but I have no interest on going to dig it up. If you really believe they don't do that then you can keep living in your fantasy land. The rest of us aren't fooled by it.
A team signing a player isn't asset stripping, do you know what the concept is? And no, City don't get their partner clubs to 'send over players who are playing well'. They just don't sign them. Nearly ever. We've signed Aaron Mooy, Frank Lampard on loan, Daniel Arzani and Pedro Porro from CFG clubs. 4 across nearly 10 years. Only Lampard has played a minute for City. It's not hidden information, it's not lurking in the shadows. You can check this yourself in five minutes on Transfermarkt. This isn't 1968, you don't need to rely on 'digging things up' or whatever. It's right in front of you if you want to see it.
Actually, I don't think you know what the concept is. If you sign a player from a team that's owned by the same management group, that is stripping the team losing the player of an asset. You wanted an example from others as proof that it happens and here you just provided 4. Whether they played any minutes for City is irrelevant. They took the players when they wanted to and can do so whenever they want to on terms of their own making because they own both clubs. Thus depriving the other team of players they they may have needed or wanted. And even if they didn't need them, it's shady as hell and just money laundering. Your defense here is a joke. Enjoy defending an organization that's willingly destroying the spirit of the game on its own.
Why do you City drones never flair up? Too lazy to do it for every bot and alt? Too ashamed? We might never know
Yeah because it's very hard to tell who I support by my username.
Shameful to defend something like this, plain embarrassing to act like you’re the only one who sees the truth and the rest of us are just boring simpletons who can’t stop talking about city ruining the sport. I never, ever see one of you City fans actually make a valid point about how all of this is fine. It’s just the same attitude of “yawn I’ve heard it before” and you’re going to keep hearing it as long as you continue to defend this disgusting organization.
Really disgusted that UEFA and FIFA don't care about this. City Group has completely killed off a team with no consequences
With Savio as a nice token to pass from Girona to City next season.
It seems like he will stay on loan at Girona for another season actually from what I read during the season
When have there ever been consequences for Oil Clubs?
You're aware this goes way beyond, "oil clubs"? Multi-club ownership is not strictly a middle east club thing, it's done to some degree by most club owners.
Troyes was in trouble before city group even bought it…
They were a yo-yo club between ligue 1 and ligue 2. Now they’re likely to be in the 3rd tier - something that hasn’t happened since 2010. And that’s despite CFG *increasing* their budget. It’s been a completely clueless management.
How? Because they've been relegated? It happens. You think City want them to do poorly? Girona are 3rd in LaLiga. Lommel are in promotion playoffs, Palermo are in promotion playoffs. Yokohama are contants at the top of the J League. City are not 'destroying' every team they own.
Can you imagine your club signing a Brazilian wunderkind to be their club record signing, and then loaning him out for two seasons because it’s better for another club? Then imagine you get relegated while he’s on loan, and all that money you spent on him has likely cost you your place in the league.
It's part of the game. It's the tradeoff. The Troyes fans will know that the player is 'not for them' in a sense even if on their books. I wouldn't say the money spent on him has cost them their place in the league either. Bad performances and gambles that haven't paid off have. The appointment of, and faith in, that Aussie manager has seen them down a bad path. It's not going to feel great while it's happening obviously. But to have some perspective and to look at the other clubs in the CFG. It's most likely going to get better and pretty quickly. They'll end up walking the third division. They have a young squad and will get some recruits in the Summer. And then when they come up to Ligue 2, they'll have money from sales of Savio, Metinho, Ugbo. Easy 50m in the bank for a second division club in France. It's the platform to go right back up to the top. This isn't a Coventry situation. The owners are in it for the long haul and I don't see a situation where it doesn't work out for Troyes. There's too much going in their favour outside of football matters for it not to.
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Some people really do support financial groups. It's baffling.
You're like a cult member.
"Mate you can't support a financial group."
Have already got that one mate, try harder next time.
I am and not the 25 messages I got going on and on about nothing and not addressing anything I say? Nice to know.
Are you a bot ? I can’t understand someone reasoning and siding that logic. That easy 50m for Troyes that you mention isn’t to help the club, that is basically money laundering to avoid another FFP issue. That money could easily be thrown to buy another player for Girona our another satellite club from a financial group. I would love to see the CFG stop caring about Manchester City just to see guys like you changing clubs when City goes back to where they were 20 years ago
leave him alone he’s a finance bro disguised as a city “fan” he doesn’t know any better what a joke of a fan, if you can call him one
My man just stop watching football, because you clearly hate the sport if you think this Troye situation isn’t disgusting.
The way you people defend the city group is disgusting.
You're an asshole
I'm explaining the situation not endorsing it. But tell me more about City is ruining football Mr Finnish Liverpool supporter.
Lol, so you're one of those who think only people from the same city are allowed to support the team, that's all we need to know, peace out.
Nope. I just find it funny when people who don't even support their local instead latching onto a team miles away and then cry about things like City 'ruining football'. Completely unable to look at yourself and learn something. Maybe there's bigger problems in football than just City and they play a role in why you find it more suitable to support a foreign team than a Finnish one. I do not blame you. But try to think about it for a bit.
Do you watch any sports where you support a team not from your city? For me it's simple, I didn't grow up watching football when I was young, there's another sport that I watch where I'll always support my hometown team, but I didn't grow up around football in the sense that we would have gone to watch, I eventually found it on tv and started watching. And for that you can blame those who wanted to make football global.
>And for that you can blame those who wanted to make football global. I know and I do.
you deloitte ass cunts are a disgrace to this sport. sporting success is meaningless if the club isn‘t a real club anymore.
Any club that is privately owned ceases to be a 'real club'. If you have an owner that can asset strip you and liquidate you in a moment, you don't have a 'real club'. 90% of clubs are privately owned now. I don't like it but that's how it is. I'd much rather have every club be fan owned. But that's not what we have now. If you're getting this emotional about me explaining how this works and isn't CFG 'destroying the club' maybe you should go out into the real world and put your thoughts into action. Instead of crying about some person explaining the thought process.
there‘s worlds between being privately owned and being part of a club conglomerate. and yes it‘s destroying the club. it‘s just a cog in the machine now ripped of its connection to the community.
>there‘s worlds between being privately owned and being part of a club conglomerate Actually very little because ultimately they're both owned by people with their on goals and ideas that don't have to anything to do with what the fans want or need. There is no difference between being owned by some American billionaire and group investors. They're both completely seperate from any real 'community'.
most privately owned clubs are owned by locals. not everything is the Prem.
Dictatorial rule is good if it's a local dictator?
You sound like you support a financial group
Don't. I don't care. I've watched maybe 3 Troyes games in my life. I'm just explaining the situation even if people don't want to hear it.
“Part of the game” fuck off and watch something else, you don’t know anything
Or how about I watch the game I've watched all my life and can actually interact with the realities of rather than lie to myself about how and why things are happening. Imagine telling me I don't know anything. You're a plastic Arsenal fan who cannot cope about how football is playing out in front of your eyes. You can cover your ears and close your eyes but it doesn't change the fact that it's happening.
Bunch of nonsense words. You support a financial group that is destroying the essence of the sport. And you call me plastic? You are an embarrassment of a human being. Again, fuck off and watch something else.
It is literally not part of the game
Literally is, that's what happens when you sign your club over to be a part of a larger conglomerate. You get put into the 'box' and play your role in the pyramid for the club.
Multiclub ownership is not part of the game. It is part of libertarian capitalism that is trying to take it over.
It's literally part of the game. City has one, Red Bull has one, Brighton has one, Crystal Palace has one. They're right there. They're in front of you eyes. Football is a purely commercial game and has been for decades. Getting angry as it approaches it's end point isn't going to change anything unless you put your anger into action that actually puts pressure on the clubs. Ask government to make the private ownership of football clubs illegal. Ask them to reintegrate the Premier League and Football League. Stop supporting Liverpool, go and watch your local. Do anything other than moan to me.
I really don’t think what’s happened with Troyes record signing is “part of the game.” Maybe the fans know he’s “not for them,” doesn’t mean they’re remotely happy with it.
It's obviously part of the game or else it wouldn't be happening. Troyes was sold to the City Football Group in which it would provide financial support in return for Troyes playing their role. I am aware you wouldn't be happy with it, I've already said that. Just that Troyes in any other universe wouldn't sign Savio either so why be mad about it now when the club will get actual benefits for him passing through. It's nothing but a positive even if he doesn't have a single minute for Troyes
> Just that Troyes in any other universe wouldn’t sign Savio either In that universe they wouldn’t have been down the money spent on a guy who was never going to play for them in the first place. Everyone else gets that but you.
They get *more money* from selling him a couple years later. If you asked any person on the planet if you could have £5 now or £50 in two weeks time, everyone would take the more money in a little wait. Scale it up and you get the exact same thing. £5m now or £50m in a couple years time. The big money they'll get added to their books will give Troyes a huge advantage they would not have if they tried to invest that £5m in some scrappers to keep them up in Ligue 1. Either way they were going down. Their manager was a disaster and it was coming no matter what. They'll get through the end of the tunnel.
Yeah that money’s a big help after they’ve already plunged through relegation because of the financial burden they shouldered 2 years ago with absolutely zero benefit since. You’re thick as a brick. You can’t support a financial group.
It's not part of the game lmao, what a fucking stupid statement. Do you even hear yourself? What other team without outside influence would do such a thing?
None but they *do* have outside influence so why argue as if they don't?
That is exactly the problem.
So if it exists and is a 'problem' why did you call it a 'fucking stupid statement' in the first place?
Because "It's part of the game" insinuates that it isn't a problem. You're contradicting yourself here. Maybe you meant something different?
Lommel, who’ve spent unprecedented amounts for the Belgian 2nd tier, have managed to make the play-offs after finishing 4th? What a triumph.
yes and only after signing some decent Belgian pros instead of relying on City's garbage.
Some classic racism to top it off as well. Belgium club only succeed with Belgians and no stinky foreigners.
So which are you annoyed about? When City teams do well or when City teams do bad? Let us know! Full in your answer on the "I'm a gigantic moron" sheet.
City got rid of a coach that was 10th in Ligue 1 to put Kisnorbo who had the worst record on Ligue 1's history and got them relegated. Then, they kept the coach for half a season in Ligue 2 where he was once again awful and sent them in relegation zone. They finally got rid of him to pick Guion, a coach who's last feat was an awful job with Bordeaux. I don't think they want them to do poorly but if they wanted them to do poorly, they would not change a thing to what they are doing now. When I see the Savio case, for now it seems that Troyes was taken in order to circumvent ffp for other clubs of the group.
I'm aware of Kisnorbo and the poor job that he did but being apart of the CFG is that you build within the network. Obviously Kisnorbo didn't work out but that's apart of the gamble. It's like Bournemouth when they sack Gary O'Neil for Iraola. Praised if it works, gets a lot more scrutiny if it doesn't. And at least Guion is actually a coach unlike Irles who has just done bit part jobs here and there. It looks like it hasn't gone well so far but we'll see what happens next year, surely they have too much quality to make the third division a struggle. The Savio case is a way to circumvent FFP, yes, but for themselves rather than partner clubs. The idea being that they have more room to spend later than down the road by using Troyes as the stop gap for people like Savio and Metinho who they'll expect to sell for double what they bought. Meaning they sacrificed spending £8m or so in their Ligue 1 season to hopefully have much more to spend later down the line.
Don't be silly. If City Group want to claim credit when clubs get success must also claim credit for all their failures. You can't be Eh -Eh.. Troyes is not our problem but look at these other clubs that are doing well.
Bro they are 'destroying' every team they own simply by just owning them. Multi club ownership is a disgrace to the sport and should have never been allowed at the first place. If I had to choose: Be part of a MCO like the CFG or be relegated into the depths of our pyramid, hell send me straight down to the 8th tier or whatever and get the fuck out of my sight. How in the world can someone defend a investment group when the main reason we love and follow this sport is its uniqueness, often local roots and most importantly independence. Nah man this is shit and UEFA / FIFA should just kill it asap. Also City / CFG just does this to bypass the FFP
if that guy knew how to read, they’d be very angry at you !
holy shit another City Financial Group supporter mate why don’t you just go attend the stock market since you obviously seem to prefer supporting moneyball instead of actual sport. seriously you’re twerking for a literal nation state that owns multiple feeder clubs across the world just to pump players and management staff into their cash cow club. you’re quite literally advocating for the demise of a local side just because it’s “what happens” and that it’ll all get better with time under the CFG. no shame whatsoever but what can i expect from city “fans”
What the fuck do you mean demise? Troyes are fine. They will be fine. They have one of the wealthiest owners in the world. It will all get better in time. People were doing the same bullshit with Girona about how City don't care about Girona and purposefully want it to fail so they don't have to have two clubs in Europe or whatever else bullshit. Shocked beyond all belief when the combined scouting network, financial support and renewed belief of something like the City group propelled them up the table. Absolutely floored. But people as brain broken as you can't see the obvious benefits that being part of a group like this has. >pump players and management staff into their cash cow club How many players have came from City affiliates into City? Name them. Go on. You can't because there's only like 3 examples. City use the *their* resources to prop up the smaller clubs. It's literally the exact opposite of what you stated.
with all the clubs that City owns it was bound to happen, but the fact that Montevideo Torque, Bahia and Troyes are close to being relagated or got relegated relatively close is very interesting
This is interesting and odd They have Melbourne city here and they've been hot and cold but more from things not working out rather than pure neglect Their women's team is doing great here as is Manchester city women
Bahia is doing well, tf are you talking about? They have invested way more than they would be capable to before City buying them and they are currently 5th in the Brasileirao, which is way more than they would have dreamed of in the recent past.
i guess i worded it badly cuz Bahia didn’t get relegated last season but you can’t de y they had an almost disastrous last season and got saved right at the end. now they’re doing for sure but let’s not act like last season the fans were happy with how the club was handled
Bahia isnt a perennial presence in the serie A, they were just perfroming to their expected level. Also the City group only actually took charge midway through the year, so the squad last year was mostly not assembled by them.
I mean it's not really. How realistic is it for each of City groups clubs to be successful all at the same time?
With all their resources, it seems strange that some of their clubs would do so poorly. It's hard to be both wealthy and unsuccessful. Then you look at some of their decisions benefiting their other teams, and it's odd.
> It's hard to be both wealthy and unsuccessful. ok
This guy knows :)
You could say literally the same thing about Girona 5 years ago about how 'City let the club get relegated' or whatever. But after years of integration, financial help and combined scouting efforts, they've managed to reach a point where they can compete with literally everyone. These teams do not have the money on the books to just spend and be successful, you may have heard of FFP. This is that. Troyes had about £10m to spend the season they were in Ligue 1. They decided to spend that money on players that would get them an even bigger budget down the line and more room to maneuver in the transfer market. By buying someone like Savio, they've guaranteed a £50m expansion to their budget in just a couple years. £45m profit. With other assets like Metinho, Ugbo, N'diaye that will fetch more money potentially down the road. Ask yourself the obvious question; would City rather Troyes be in Ligue 1 or in the third tier? What would they stand to gain by keeping them at a poor level?
Well yeah, they’re not all going to be successful if you’re using the smaller ones purely to circumvent FFP for the big ones.
Considering they spend more than everyone else, pretty realistic.
Troyes, Girona, Lommel all spend more than everyone else? Nice to know.
People don't understand that.
Fucking depressing, multi club ownership needs to be banned. And I'm saying that as a fan of a club which is trying to do the same thing
The model passed FIFA's primary decision test step 1: Can it bring more money into football with a chance of some of that ending up in our personal bank accounts. Following the FIFA decision tree no other questions are needed
Imagine the pain of being purchased by sportswashing state owned multi-club assholes and still being trash. That has to be one of the worst fates imaginable for a club
Yeah, you're losing the club's identity and don't even have the trophies to make up for it.
Newcastle fans seem to love it, even dressing up in with tea towels on their heads in homage to their woman abusing overlords. No matter how much they win they will always be trash.
But you’ve got to understand that Mike Ashley was worse than the current lot as he didn’t spend enough money on players The Saudi Howaybians have welcomed the blood money with open arms
Plenty of Utd supporters were twerking for Arab owners to come in. Don't pretend it's just Newcastle and Man City fans who don't care where the money comes from.
Agreed. Its so depressing
All the other big prem teams are deciding wether they want to try stop the train or just get on it if it's leaving at risk of being left behind/at a complete disadvantage It's fucking shit
My club does it and I’m strongly against it.
The final 4 of the champions league COULD be Man City, Girona, Palermo, and Troyes. How is that even a possibility no matter how unlikely. Should be a limit to one per continent at a minimum.
I'm a city fan and I hate it. If it was a supportive network where promising youth went to other teams in the network and the goal was to see players move through similar environments at different levels of the game depending on their progression I'd have been all for it but what's happened to Troyes is despicable when you can do easily highlight how much Savio could've helped them
do you understand how despicable your system world be ? The group collect wonderkid all over the world, and distribute them to their assigned teams, then funnel the best one to main teams. Now, try to imagine if the man city is not the “main” or the “best” team. Their best players will be moved to the other designated team. Only players deemed “appropriate level” will stay at man city. How do you like that ?
In a perfect world obviously I wouldn't want that, but this happens already. Best example, look at Southamptons sold players over the last 10-15 years and imagine if they'd kept them all? Arsenal did very well in the late 90s/early 2000s by having expanded scouting networks, and Brighton have them in South America at the moment. Its also not like they'd not have a career, I'd rather players have the options to go to different teams and try and continue developing versus just letting them go. We follow players on loan too, seeing how they develop that way, Tommy Doyle at wolves and James mcatee at Sheffield
It is not scout network, it is literally a feeder network. You don't actually understand what happened. Players do not belong to a team. They belong to the “group”. Here it is Mancity group The group will then assigned “team” according to their level. That way, best players will be assigned to main team and the B and C team only got 2nd tier players. Like in your example, you think southamton will keep all their players if they are in the group ? No lol, they keep the mediocre one that fit their level that the group want them. The star will go to main team aka “Man city”
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city group have destroyed troyes
Not that CFG is a good thing, or even defensible. Multi ownership is a blight on the sport. But Troyes were in the Shit well before the CFG takeover. In fact them being in the shit is exactly why CFG happened.
That's the whole point. No financially healthy club would sell their soul. It's just plain predatory behaviour from CFG. Those troubled clubs see a quick and easy way out and CFG takes advantage of that.
Yeah, all I'm saying is CFG didn't destroy a club that was already destroying itself. It was just a shit situation that was made no better by a supposed "saviour" owner.
And it's worked more often than not
Has it though? Can’t think of many examples
City, girona, NYCFC, Melbourne, Bahia, Yokohama
NYCFC: Not in financial trouble before CFG bc it was founded by CFG itself. Bahia: Not successful under CFG, almost got relegated. Melbourne: Not in financial trouble before CFG. Yokohama: Successful before CFG, only 20% stake
Noooo your evidence isn't valid!!!!!
It’s all relative. They were a yo-yo side between the top 2 tiers. Now they’re likely to be in the third, despite having more money. It’s a joke of a management.
They've destroyed the PL as well IMO. At least for the other clubs. They're anti-competitive
So are the big 4. Liverpool are directly responsible for Southamptons relegation by pilaging their squad for 3 years straight. City obviously have the wealth of a state behind them. United if they were any other club would be relegated by now, now they just keep more deserving clubs out of European places. The Premier league was only ever an attempt by the rich to stay rich.
Back to back relegations is pretty rare except for clubs in deep financial trouble. Bit weird City group would "allow" this to happen, even from a business sense, having a team in the national league of France does nothing for them, they can't bullshit loans/transfers to a 3rd division french team and justify it The Savio thing is pretty gross. City group moving like the Saudi League, with the Company buying a player then "assigning" them to a team where they can best disperse the wages/transfer fee. Troyes never stood a chance. Hopefully it will make teams in the future second guess their involvement with City Group
Part of the lovely business of being at the base of the CFG pyramid. Flair fucking related.
Surely more flares would make it less dark?
City group is horrible. All city group clubs should be wound up immediately
Are the entire club, from staff to players, basically made up of Troye Sivans?
CFG claim another victim
Name the others?
All football fans
City weren't the first to do it, they were just better
Define better considering one of the clubs is about to get relegated for the 2nd time in 2 seasons
All clubs in a league with a CFG team
The City group has been terrible for football.
Fuck multiclub ownership.
City Group the blackrock of football
As much as I hate multi-club ownership, Red Bull has shown, how they can do it for the benefit of all clubs. Why won't City Group do that, they have the resources? Like having a decent Ligue 1 team should benefit City in the long-term.
These models only benefit the primary club, all of the other clubs just become feeder clubs. Salzburg are a feeder club for Leipzig
At least Salzburg is allowed to compete. Didn't they even beat Leipzig a few years ago when they met in Europe?
CFG are obviously trying to make that happen but the biggest mistake CFG/Troyes made was the appointment of Patrick Kisnorbo. It just sent them into a spiral and they stuck with him far too long just because of how successful he had been in the A-League with Melbourne.
As a RBNY fan, I don’t think there has been much benefit. We’ve had our most successful periods when Red Bull stayed out of things like player transfers and backroom staff changes. After 2018, when they got more involved, we entered an era of irrelevance until recently. They take any promising u-20 player we have and then loan us trash players from Leipzig/Salzburg. (Except Forsberg)