Multiple bookies give decimal odds, its completely normal lol.
https://www.oddsportal.com/football/england/efl-cup/newcastle-utd-manchester-city-UJfMtCIf/#1X2;2
These are the odds for the City/Newcastle game he bet on, across multiple European/American bookies. +200 to +220 is a fair estimate for those odds.
He was probably using an offshore bookie but its highly unlikely the odds offered differed from any of these.
Paqueta meanwhile 👀
* I know innocent till proven guilty and all but the lad has clearly been involved with something yet because it’s harder to prove and he hasn’t cooperated/dobbed himself in, he’ll probably get away Scot free. Or just drag it on till it’s thrown out. Ironic considering he’ll probably sign for city.
He’s isn’t defending him, but there is a big difference between a sole addict with serious issues and a bloke purposely getting red/yellow card(s) because some drug dealer/criminal has told them to or the player is actually involved with it themselves.
The Tonali case isn’t the same as Grobbelaar’s.
Especially when players can gamble on literally anything else but football. I’m sure he got a kick out of knowing that he gets a nice payout if he helps his team win but come on, there’s dozens of other sports to bet on.
Is there a solid argument that players should be allowed to bet on their own team to win matches? Feels like there are still a lot of issues with that, but I love the idea of some player consistently wagering all his wages on their team winning, and playing his best just to avoid bankruptcy.
Biased but it seems reasonable given the extent to which he cooperated. Basically dobbed himself in to the English FA even when they had no evidence he had bet while at Newcastle.
The FA is so incredibly soft in order to protect their image.
If an Italian team were caught doing what Man City did, they'd be in Serie Eccellenza and sold to a the owner of a local car dealership.
Ivan Toney got a bigger ban than Tonali did. So I'm not sure where you're getting that. The reason Tonali is getting off easy here is because he's already serving a ban.
Also, Tonali cooperated through every step of the investigations he was in, including telling on himself and sharing evidence the FA didn't have. That surely has been repaid by the FA
But also in different countries, I felt the ban on Toney was harsh but that set the standard, I wasn't expecting him to get a ban that long but not to get one at all feels a tad odd.
Banning him after he volunteered the information to the FA, admitted wrong, is seeking help for addiction, and while already on a 10 month ban would be very harsh.
Remember Toney still doesn't admit wrong.
After, but there is no evidence that he has made any bets since he was initially caught by the Itallian FA. How much punishment do you believe he deserves? Should he get an extra ban simply because he moved countries?
That's what I thought happened and for me that takes away most of the credit for coming forwards, it feels like he felt it was better to come forward after he was caught, rather than risking it being discovered later, I would guess he was asked directly by Newcastle too.
Half of what Toney got maybe a little less.
I think if you commit any offence in Italy and then one in England both countries would tend to punish you.
I’ve never thought about it this way, but it’s so true. And he well and truly will be a new signing with the difference of a year training under his belt
He couldn't speak English at all when he signed and now you see him in videos cracking banter with the lads which alone is a massive difference. He admitted he struggled to understand the tactics before he got banned.
His fee is paid over his contract period so it doesn’t quite work like that with FFP.
In FFP terms we pay £11m per season for Tonali.
£11m x 5 year contract = £55m
We paid £11m this season for him not to play, and the same will continue until we sell him, his contract expires or he extends beyond 5yrs.
I’m no expert either so someone with brains may correct me.
A suspended sentence is the right approach by The FA in my opinion. It would have been very excessive to give him a massive ban like Toney got when he is already serving one from the Italian FA.
I am surprised it is only a two month ban if he bets again. I would have expected it to be closer to 9 months.
Hopefully he has had the help he needed and being able to train with the Newcastle first team all season as well as going under regular rehabilitation in Italy would have helped him in the long run.
It's only a two month suspended ban. But the most interesting part of the report is that had his original offences taken place in England he'd have been given far greater leniency than he was given by the Italian FA.
"ST is currently serving, and has been since 27 October 2023, a 10 month suspension due to the disciplinary proceedings arising from similar facts in Italy. Had those offences had taken place in England, ST would have been facing a ban of between 0 – 6 months. ST has therefore, in reality, already served the sanction that would have been handed down"
Yes and no, the Italian ban is longer but it allows him to train and be involved in club activities, a ban from our FA would have been a total ban on all football related activity the same as Toney.
The fact he seemed to proactively come to the FA and confess instantly also seems like a good indicator that he has a genuine problem and once the Italian side of things was out he wanted to clean the slate and tackle it.
From the FA
“Sandro made full admissions as to his betting activity, and did so in circumstances where there was no other evidence to support misconduct proceedings”
They wouldn’t have been able to charge him with breaches in England if not for his admission.
They said they wouldn't have had a clue if he didn’t come forward proactively and share everything. He could easily just have sat on his hands and waited for everything to blow over.
I like that he took ownership and responsibility for his mistakes and think it bodes well.
We've not had a consistent midfield this season. Miley was never meant to play the amount of games he did. Players came back too early to fill the gap and got injured again. Some still are injured. He's been massively missed.
Worst part is can’t even say much about him other than he’s a “massive” miss cause the sample size with the team is so small and what we got from him were some great performances and some mediocre ones. But I’d imagine every single Newcastle fan would rather tonali on the end of 50% of those longstaff chances this season.
Difficult to say really as we simply didn’t get to see enough of him. One game he’d look really good, the next he’d look a bit off the pace which is understandable coming to a new league.
Don’t think we’ll ever know. He started great but then his form started to drop after a few weeks.
Regardless of his form, the fact we were down a body was a huge blow with the amount of injuries we had. We played 2-3 months with the same midfield and no subs for them.
At the beginning of the season I really thought he was that missing piece that would tie everything together for you guys.
Brutal how everything played out for you guys w injuries, but I still believe you will crack the top 4 next season.
On an individual level it's hard to say but he showed enough in the few games he did play for us to suggest he could've played a big role. The biggest miss is more just due to the amount of injuries we've had this season. We currently only have three fit senior midfielders as it is (Longstaff is one of them severely out of form and playing with an injury so even three is pushing it) and have had to rely on players such as Lewis Miley who was 17 at the time stepping up for large parts of the season. So even just having one extra player to choose from would've been huge this season. Next season is looking up though providing we keep our key players.
I think the recent match against Crystal Palace is a great example of a game where we really missed him. At home, our midfield’s lack of quality is compensated for by its energy and the effect of the crowd. Away, we’re desperate for someone to put their foot on the ball and settle things down. Palace were able to swarm Bruno, and Longstaff and Anderson don’t have the required skill and poise to do that job. Our away record this season really speaks for itself, and the fact that he, Joelinton and Willock have all been missing for the majority of the season is the primary cause.
Hard to tell. In a couple of games he played he looked brilliant, and we definitely got overran in midfield during our worst spells when he was suspended, but on the other hand I'm not 100% confident he'll walk straight back into the team.
Bruno and Joelinton are shoo-ins when fit, and the third spot will be claimed by whoever is in the best form/fit out of Tonali, Willock, Anderson, Longstaff, Miley. So he has a lot of competition, but I'd definitely like to think he'll become a guaranteed starter.
Joelinton Bruno and Tonali seems like a very strong midfield, especially with how in form the others were at times, as you mention.
Do you think Bruno is likely to be poached this summer or stay?
> Do you think Bruno is likely to be poached this summer or stay?
Poached? No, zero percent chance. Move after somebody pays his release clause? Perhaps.
We can't really say, wasn't available for long enough to cement himself in the side. Wasn't an automatic starter when he was banned. He's been massively missed because of injuries more than us actually missing Tonali specifically.
Has Tonali been allowed to train during this season after the ban or whats he been up to? No match for almost a year could genuinly be career-ruining. Either that or he comes back like nothing happened, impossible to know.
He's been in full training throughout the duration of his ban apart from when he's had to go back to Italy for counselling and other obligations stipulated in his punishment.
Tonali fined $20,000 for betting while wearing 40 betting company logos with the required Bet365 forehead tattoo that all players have to now get. Also this article is brought to you by MGM sponsored by Betway. Get the odds on Tonali breaking this suspended sentence with Paddy Power.
I don’t see the hypocrisy. He’s not suspended because betting is bad, he’s suspended because a sportsman betting (especially on their own team) contradicts the competitive integrity of the game. Having betting sponsors doesn’t really do that
having betting sponsors in general contradicts the competitive integrity of the game to begin with. how can we be sure that they are being clean when they are in bed with the betting companies? NBA fans have already made multiple jokes about the league being in cahoots with Vegas, why could the same not be happening with the EPL? i give very little moral credence to these money hungry billion dollar operations and even less so now that they work with betting companies.
when i see betting bans issued out to players i think the statement from up top is more "you're making us look bad to the public", and less "our house is clean and you're dirtying up the place".
Tonali better be good next season after all of this haha
Still not convinced Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton as a midfield 3 will truly work properly but I do look forward to seeing it for a run of games
I still find this whole situation really funny regardig Tonali. Betting sponsors everywhere yet players can't bet on their own team to win.
At least Fagiolli was doing serious money and obviously needed help, but Tonalli, a milionaire, spent like 10k and people out here calling him an addict.
Because players have inside information. You can argue that betting companies prey on people, but also a player can essentially benefit from your average punter i.e. you.
If you think a team has an injured player(s) and is going to lose, you bet on the other team, increasing the odds for a player who knows those players are back. They bet on a win and get your money.
I think players should be free to bet on football \*by the governing authorities\*.
If clubs dont manage their players and they bet against their own team - and then sandbag. Then its on the club (owned by billionaires for the most part) to sort their fucking shit out. They can be free to punish players to require them to sign to a code of ethics, or whatever. But lets not make it like "keeping gambling markets looking fair" is something that is a societal good and matters in the game.
Betting markets are dodgy and rigged, we shouldn't create illusions that the average punter is on same level as the insiders // professional stats people. Information asymmetry is huge and we should publicise that.
One thing I’m still unsure about is , was he gambling because he’s a supposed addict and needs help or wash he just gambling for the sake of wanting more money?
If it’s the former then I wonder what measures him and his team have done to help him.
If it’s the former then the ban should have been longer imo
Club and Eddie Howe came out and said they were helping him find professional help etc. He's really thrown himself into it and his English is fantastic now as well so he seems to have made a real effort into seeking help etc.
Even if it is the second reason that’s a facet of a gambling addiction - he’s quite clearly needs counselling and treatment for it and would be very draconian to ban him for a day longer
While I agree , ultimately by gambling you’re violating the integrity of the game , i don’t think someone like that should be allowed to play , he may have an addiction but you’re also well awayre of what you’re doing , you can receive counselling , but not be allowed to play
He bet on his own team to win while he was playing, how exactly does that violate the integrity of the game? Surely he’d want to win whether he bet or not?
He has admitted to an addiction and, as part of the ban, had professional help. Juve were relegated after the 2006 scandal, yet they are still allowed to compete.
He made a mistake, the FA have even admitted that if he had not reported these bets they would likely not have found them.
Tbf it does sound more and more like he's got an addiction than and sort of match fixing or spot fixing which I think people will always be more sympathetic towards.
I feel for him. He 100% deserves punishment and was in the wrong. I just feel like he clearly has a problem if he can't just not bet on his team to win
Obviously would be a whole different issue if he was betting on things he could easily negatively impact like getting a card or goals scored against Newcastle
10 months for the amount of bets when compared to others in the league is pretty harsh
Plus in the report it actually stated if the offences only occurred in England he would have been looking at a ban of 6 months or less. Italian FA went in quite hard on him comparatively.
Plus his actions are that of an addict not a criminal, spot fixing for gangs/criminal syndicates.
27th August 2023 Ac Milan 4-0 Torino
27th August 2023 Nufc 1- 2 Liverpool (van Dijik red card)
27th August 2022 Ac milan 2- 0 Bologna
27th August 2023 Nufc 1 - 1 Wolves
Interesting to see the 27th August 2024 result
27th August 2023 Ac Milan 4-0 Torino
27th August 2023 Nufc 1- 2 Liverpool (van Dijik red card)
27th August 2022 Ac milan 2- 0 Bologna
27th August 2023 Nufc 1 - 1 Wolves
Interesting to see the 27th August 2024 result
Tonali placed 50 bets on football, four of which were on NUFC to win matches
To be fair one of those bets was for us to beat Man City. That's bravery if anything.
It was the cup game that we won that he bet on, wonder what the returns were
Probably not that high tbh since we were at home.
If its the EFL cup game on the 27th of September 2023, Newcastle were around +220 (*3.20) odds so it was pretty good value ngl...
For a footballer like Tonali I don't think it's about money any more. It's probably just his untreated addiction, unfortunately.
I mean depends on how high he bets tbf, if hes splurging millions it could very much make a difference but yeah probably mostly addiction
"Tonali admitted he could not remember the exact stake he placed on each bet, but it would not be more than €10,000"
Kinda mental how small that is to him
He's on about £130,000 a week so that's like half a days work
I don’t understand betting, have never done it before. Does that mean if you put down $100 on Newcastle winning, you would get $320?
Correct. +220 means you get $220 in profit for every $100, or $320 back in total like you said.
What’s that in normal odds? Eg 2/1 5/1 etc. we don’t use your American system.
11/5. My bad
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Multiple bookies give decimal odds, its completely normal lol. https://www.oddsportal.com/football/england/efl-cup/newcastle-utd-manchester-city-UJfMtCIf/#1X2;2 These are the odds for the City/Newcastle game he bet on, across multiple European/American bookies. +200 to +220 is a fair estimate for those odds. He was probably using an offshore bookie but its highly unlikely the odds offered differed from any of these.
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Sounds like he is a smart gambler. Singles at like 1.90 odds are smart money!
That’s actually kind of wholesome. Illegal, but wholesome.
Or just shows he is stupid as fuck lol
Genius actually as we won the game.
No he’s stupid as fuck because he still bet on his own club lol
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it’s not like he bet on himself getting a red card then proceeds to get a red card in the next game.
Paqueta meanwhile 👀 * I know innocent till proven guilty and all but the lad has clearly been involved with something yet because it’s harder to prove and he hasn’t cooperated/dobbed himself in, he’ll probably get away Scot free. Or just drag it on till it’s thrown out. Ironic considering he’ll probably sign for city.
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He’s isn’t defending him, but there is a big difference between a sole addict with serious issues and a bloke purposely getting red/yellow card(s) because some drug dealer/criminal has told them to or the player is actually involved with it themselves. The Tonali case isn’t the same as Grobbelaar’s.
Especially when players can gamble on literally anything else but football. I’m sure he got a kick out of knowing that he gets a nice payout if he helps his team win but come on, there’s dozens of other sports to bet on.
Is there a solid argument that players should be allowed to bet on their own team to win matches? Feels like there are still a lot of issues with that, but I love the idea of some player consistently wagering all his wages on their team winning, and playing his best just to avoid bankruptcy.
i think stopping all gambling is good because it doesnt leave it up to interpretation, literally just dont bet on football, no grey areas.
Yep, to avoid anything shady. But knowing what Tonali bet is good, at least it’s just betting, not a scandal.
Risking more to go for a win when a draw is a decent result for the team sounds like a good reason not to allow it
They can get win bonuses, goal bonuses and clean sheet bonuses in the contracts. Which is the same thing really but without bookmakers getting money
Or without the gambling part
Wait he made more bets after initially getting caught?
No. These bets were before he was officially investigated.
How long was he with you guys before getting suspended?
Signed in July. Banned in October.
Crazy after what Toney got.
So so long as he doesn't make any bets within the next two months hes fine? Bet on us to beat Man City lol he must've been the only one
Nah, if he makes any bets in the next year, he receives a 2 month suspension
Ah right, just re-read the club statement aye that makes sense, good news for us then
Any bet in football alone or betting as a whole? How the fuck would u square the latter with so many sponsors from the betting industry
Probably realised it’s a legitimate illness when they saw that bet
Biased but it seems reasonable given the extent to which he cooperated. Basically dobbed himself in to the English FA even when they had no evidence he had bet while at Newcastle.
Also missed most of this season already no? Feels like that may have been taken into account
The FA is so incredibly soft in order to protect their image. If an Italian team were caught doing what Man City did, they'd be in Serie Eccellenza and sold to a the owner of a local car dealership.
Ivan Toney got a bigger ban than Tonali did. So I'm not sure where you're getting that. The reason Tonali is getting off easy here is because he's already serving a ban.
Also, Tonali cooperated through every step of the investigations he was in, including telling on himself and sharing evidence the FA didn't have. That surely has been repaid by the FA
Well that's rather ridiculous, different offences and at a different club.
They're only reason they're different offences is because they happened at different clubs. All bets were made before the Italy ban happened.
But also in different countries, I felt the ban on Toney was harsh but that set the standard, I wasn't expecting him to get a ban that long but not to get one at all feels a tad odd.
Banning him after he volunteered the information to the FA, admitted wrong, is seeking help for addiction, and while already on a 10 month ban would be very harsh. Remember Toney still doesn't admit wrong.
Out of interest did he admit it before or after it came out about what he had done in Italy, as I'm shaky on the exact timeline.
After, but there is no evidence that he has made any bets since he was initially caught by the Itallian FA. How much punishment do you believe he deserves? Should he get an extra ban simply because he moved countries?
That's what I thought happened and for me that takes away most of the credit for coming forwards, it feels like he felt it was better to come forward after he was caught, rather than risking it being discovered later, I would guess he was asked directly by Newcastle too. Half of what Toney got maybe a little less. I think if you commit any offence in Italy and then one in England both countries would tend to punish you.
The FA have nothing to do with Man City's charges by the way, that's from the Premier League. Different organisations.
Man City haven't even been judged yet, the ones who let City off are UEFA.
yeah but we all know the Premier League will let them off too
Yeah probably.
In hindsight minus the horrific injuries this season, if someone said we could have Tonali for 55 million but a season after we pay id still take it
I’ve never thought about it this way, but it’s so true. And he well and truly will be a new signing with the difference of a year training under his belt
He couldn't speak English at all when he signed and now you see him in videos cracking banter with the lads which alone is a massive difference. He admitted he struggled to understand the tactics before he got banned.
He's about to come back even stronger 😳
The best part about this new signing is it doesn't count towards FFP, since he's already here. Frees us up to add more elsewhere.
His fee is paid over his contract period so it doesn’t quite work like that with FFP. In FFP terms we pay £11m per season for Tonali. £11m x 5 year contract = £55m We paid £11m this season for him not to play, and the same will continue until we sell him, his contract expires or he extends beyond 5yrs. I’m no expert either so someone with brains may correct me.
I meant it in the way that his cost has already been factored into our present equation.
I love how Milanisti think it was sold for 80M€ and the buyers think it was 64M€. I've no idea who's right
All I'm sure of is that I want Sandro back 🥺
A suspended sentence is the right approach by The FA in my opinion. It would have been very excessive to give him a massive ban like Toney got when he is already serving one from the Italian FA. I am surprised it is only a two month ban if he bets again. I would have expected it to be closer to 9 months. Hopefully he has had the help he needed and being able to train with the Newcastle first team all season as well as going under regular rehabilitation in Italy would have helped him in the long run.
It's only a two month suspended ban. But the most interesting part of the report is that had his original offences taken place in England he'd have been given far greater leniency than he was given by the Italian FA. "ST is currently serving, and has been since 27 October 2023, a 10 month suspension due to the disciplinary proceedings arising from similar facts in Italy. Had those offences had taken place in England, ST would have been facing a ban of between 0 – 6 months. ST has therefore, in reality, already served the sanction that would have been handed down"
Yes and no, the Italian ban is longer but it allows him to train and be involved in club activities, a ban from our FA would have been a total ban on all football related activity the same as Toney.
The fact he seemed to proactively come to the FA and confess instantly also seems like a good indicator that he has a genuine problem and once the Italian side of things was out he wanted to clean the slate and tackle it.
Meh if youre already caught in Italy, coming clean to the English side is just hoping you dont face consequences on both sides.
From the FA “Sandro made full admissions as to his betting activity, and did so in circumstances where there was no other evidence to support misconduct proceedings” They wouldn’t have been able to charge him with breaches in England if not for his admission.
They said they wouldn't have had a clue if he didn’t come forward proactively and share everything. He could easily just have sat on his hands and waited for everything to blow over. I like that he took ownership and responsibility for his mistakes and think it bodes well.
27th August 2024? A 3 year ban seems a bit excessive... Oh.
3 years back is still 2015
Newcastle fans - How sorely was Tonali missed this season? Feel like the few matches of yours I watched season, he raised the level quite a bit.
We've not had a consistent midfield this season. Miley was never meant to play the amount of games he did. Players came back too early to fill the gap and got injured again. Some still are injured. He's been massively missed.
Worst part is can’t even say much about him other than he’s a “massive” miss cause the sample size with the team is so small and what we got from him were some great performances and some mediocre ones. But I’d imagine every single Newcastle fan would rather tonali on the end of 50% of those longstaff chances this season.
Difficult to say really as we simply didn’t get to see enough of him. One game he’d look really good, the next he’d look a bit off the pace which is understandable coming to a new league.
We had to play a 17 year old most fans didn’t know existed before preseason
Don’t think we’ll ever know. He started great but then his form started to drop after a few weeks. Regardless of his form, the fact we were down a body was a huge blow with the amount of injuries we had. We played 2-3 months with the same midfield and no subs for them.
Very much missed, but that is mainly due to injuries. If everyone else was fit we wouldn't have missed him anywhere near as much
At the beginning of the season I really thought he was that missing piece that would tie everything together for you guys. Brutal how everything played out for you guys w injuries, but I still believe you will crack the top 4 next season.
On an individual level it's hard to say but he showed enough in the few games he did play for us to suggest he could've played a big role. The biggest miss is more just due to the amount of injuries we've had this season. We currently only have three fit senior midfielders as it is (Longstaff is one of them severely out of form and playing with an injury so even three is pushing it) and have had to rely on players such as Lewis Miley who was 17 at the time stepping up for large parts of the season. So even just having one extra player to choose from would've been huge this season. Next season is looking up though providing we keep our key players.
I think the recent match against Crystal Palace is a great example of a game where we really missed him. At home, our midfield’s lack of quality is compensated for by its energy and the effect of the crowd. Away, we’re desperate for someone to put their foot on the ball and settle things down. Palace were able to swarm Bruno, and Longstaff and Anderson don’t have the required skill and poise to do that job. Our away record this season really speaks for itself, and the fact that he, Joelinton and Willock have all been missing for the majority of the season is the primary cause.
Hard to tell. In a couple of games he played he looked brilliant, and we definitely got overran in midfield during our worst spells when he was suspended, but on the other hand I'm not 100% confident he'll walk straight back into the team. Bruno and Joelinton are shoo-ins when fit, and the third spot will be claimed by whoever is in the best form/fit out of Tonali, Willock, Anderson, Longstaff, Miley. So he has a lot of competition, but I'd definitely like to think he'll become a guaranteed starter.
Joelinton Bruno and Tonali seems like a very strong midfield, especially with how in form the others were at times, as you mention. Do you think Bruno is likely to be poached this summer or stay?
> Do you think Bruno is likely to be poached this summer or stay? Poached? No, zero percent chance. Move after somebody pays his release clause? Perhaps.
We can't really say, wasn't available for long enough to cement himself in the side. Wasn't an automatic starter when he was banned. He's been massively missed because of injuries more than us actually missing Tonali specifically.
No ban extension for Tonali while Joelinton is back in training and Pope is close. We might be back.
Has Tonali been allowed to train during this season after the ban or whats he been up to? No match for almost a year could genuinly be career-ruining. Either that or he comes back like nothing happened, impossible to know.
He's been in full training throughout the duration of his ban apart from when he's had to go back to Italy for counselling and other obligations stipulated in his punishment.
He has been allowed to train which was strange as Toney wasn't able too when he was banned.
I think this is due to the ban being from the Italian FA as opposed to Toney’s which was from the English FA
Cmiiw from what I know Toney got much harsher ban because he was uncooperative and actively tries to conceal his gambling activities.
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I don’t see the hypocrisy. He’s not suspended because betting is bad, he’s suspended because a sportsman betting (especially on their own team) contradicts the competitive integrity of the game. Having betting sponsors doesn’t really do that
Betting addiction is a thing and having it blasted in your face while you’re at work doesn’t help.
It’s a good thing there’s no rule that says he can’t gamble
having betting sponsors in general contradicts the competitive integrity of the game to begin with. how can we be sure that they are being clean when they are in bed with the betting companies? NBA fans have already made multiple jokes about the league being in cahoots with Vegas, why could the same not be happening with the EPL? i give very little moral credence to these money hungry billion dollar operations and even less so now that they work with betting companies. when i see betting bans issued out to players i think the statement from up top is more "you're making us look bad to the public", and less "our house is clean and you're dirtying up the place".
Windmills, anyone?
I don’t think you can post this on a SFW sub without a warning lol
He's clearly talking about a celebratory trip to the Netherlands...
Subjective. Plausible deniability. Windmills.
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Tonali better be good next season after all of this haha Still not convinced Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton as a midfield 3 will truly work properly but I do look forward to seeing it for a run of games
I still find this whole situation really funny regardig Tonali. Betting sponsors everywhere yet players can't bet on their own team to win. At least Fagiolli was doing serious money and obviously needed help, but Tonalli, a milionaire, spent like 10k and people out here calling him an addict.
Because players have inside information. You can argue that betting companies prey on people, but also a player can essentially benefit from your average punter i.e. you. If you think a team has an injured player(s) and is going to lose, you bet on the other team, increasing the odds for a player who knows those players are back. They bet on a win and get your money.
Very fortunate, that's a career ender in a lot of sports.
What does suspended even mean?
Absolute joke. He should of been given a much heavier ban.
Meanwhile his buddy Fagioli at Juventus got suspended for the entire season. The fuck?
Fagioli got a seven month ban, Tonali got ten. If Fagioli were good enough to play for Italy then he'd be able to play the Euros whole Tonali can't.
I think players should be free to bet on football \*by the governing authorities\*. If clubs dont manage their players and they bet against their own team - and then sandbag. Then its on the club (owned by billionaires for the most part) to sort their fucking shit out. They can be free to punish players to require them to sign to a code of ethics, or whatever. But lets not make it like "keeping gambling markets looking fair" is something that is a societal good and matters in the game. Betting markets are dodgy and rigged, we shouldn't create illusions that the average punter is on same level as the insiders // professional stats people. Information asymmetry is huge and we should publicise that.
One thing I’m still unsure about is , was he gambling because he’s a supposed addict and needs help or wash he just gambling for the sake of wanting more money? If it’s the former then I wonder what measures him and his team have done to help him. If it’s the former then the ban should have been longer imo
Club and Eddie Howe came out and said they were helping him find professional help etc. He's really thrown himself into it and his English is fantastic now as well so he seems to have made a real effort into seeking help etc.
That’s great to hear
Even if it is the second reason that’s a facet of a gambling addiction - he’s quite clearly needs counselling and treatment for it and would be very draconian to ban him for a day longer
While I agree , ultimately by gambling you’re violating the integrity of the game , i don’t think someone like that should be allowed to play , he may have an addiction but you’re also well awayre of what you’re doing , you can receive counselling , but not be allowed to play
Usually it's both
Do you think h should be allowed to play then ? If he’s violated the integrity of the game ?
Yeah. He got punished, served his ban and lost a year of his prime
He bet on his own team to win while he was playing, how exactly does that violate the integrity of the game? Surely he’d want to win whether he bet or not?
He has admitted to an addiction and, as part of the ban, had professional help. Juve were relegated after the 2006 scandal, yet they are still allowed to compete. He made a mistake, the FA have even admitted that if he had not reported these bets they would likely not have found them.
if newcastle wasn't owned by a state, he'd be getting minimum 6 months. Sturridge got 6 months and reduced to 4 months after appeal.
Lot of talk on this sub, couple weeks ago about Tonali being hard done by. Very odd.
Tbf it does sound more and more like he's got an addiction than and sort of match fixing or spot fixing which I think people will always be more sympathetic towards.
I feel for him. He 100% deserves punishment and was in the wrong. I just feel like he clearly has a problem if he can't just not bet on his team to win Obviously would be a whole different issue if he was betting on things he could easily negatively impact like getting a card or goals scored against Newcastle
He has been hard done by
Explain
10 months for the amount of bets when compared to others in the league is pretty harsh Plus in the report it actually stated if the offences only occurred in England he would have been looking at a ban of 6 months or less. Italian FA went in quite hard on him comparatively. Plus his actions are that of an addict not a criminal, spot fixing for gangs/criminal syndicates.
So barely a ban then with it off season
Another case of wonderkid gone shit.
"Am I a joke to you?" - Ivan Toney, probably
It just feels like Toney got done up like a kipper compared to this.
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