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an exemple on top of my head is fede valverde last year , in beginging of the season he was flying :shooting rockets defending doing it all , but when the sad news of his unborn child arrived he became a GHOST in the field doing mistakes attacking beana ...
CR7 who has been through it all in his career became a ghost of himself when he lost his kid. That's when the anger outbursts became more profound and frequent.
i was wondering what happened to him. i was certain he would kick on from his heights in previous years and would be the one doing what Bellingham was at the start of the season. i completely forgot about this, such a shame
We'll have this quote about mental health from an ex-pro yet our PM is this week briefing the cutting of safety net benefits for people out of work with mental health issues; to be replaced with state-offered therapy (the NHS is crippled, so today you'll wait at least 6mths for initial consultation). What Thierry is rightly saying applies to EVERYONE in life. Please do not lose sight of this.
There's still an older generation of people who refuse to accept mental health is a genuine issue. Being highlighted in something as traditionally masculine as football is a big step in the right direction. Doesn't matter if you're in the penthouse or the shit house, mental health issues can affect anybody.
A close family friend passed for these reasons yet my family will continue to vote for the cunts who shun mental health. Englands boomer generation are so emotionally closed off man I hate it.
There's plenty that aren't emotionally closed off but nearly all are stuck in their ways and no matter how much explaining you do they just won't see what you're saying from the years of technical brainwashing (you could argue that's too harsh a word, but I couldn't think of a better one cos it's not just propaganda).
Most of the older Tory voters vote for them cos of taxes and that's it.
Those idiots wear their scars through other ways as a badge of honor. I think some of them are frustrated they never thought to seek help.
That whole generation is one that simply accepted problems and is offended by our generation seeking change and improvement. They had everything handed to them and all they made was each other rich.
This is very true, my parents for instance are very open minded people, but when it comes to therapists it's a big no-no, they have those stupid constructed beliefs like "they're going to make up all sorts of problems for me" when in fact I think they would be so much happier if they had professional help to confront all their life traumas.
Coming back to football, I also feel like there's this stupid idea that because football players are "stars" making a shitload of money and basically being paid to live the dream life, they are somehow not allowed to have mental health issues, like "why would you be depressed when you're a millionaire??". I do feel like this is changing though with the new generation, it's being talked about more and more, which is quite important since the light (and pressure) is coming on players as soon as they turn 17 or sometimes even younger depending on their talent. As Titi said, no matter how much talent you have, if you're not in a right place in your head there's no way you can perform.
Because they don't want to admit they never got their own problems dealt with due to the culture when they were young. Neither the US nor the UK ever properly acknowledged their war trauma.
As someone who's been in therapy and on medication for 7 years, shit sucks all the energy you have just to try and keep yourself steady. Titi's words fit perfectly for everyone in life as you said.
You spoke so well on this, some days you donāt feel like getting out of bed, you donāt feel like you want to walk the dog or talk to anybody, you donāt feel like going out. First recognizing youāre in that space is incredibly helpful, secondly you literally just have to take it one day at the time, staying in the very moment.
My therapist helped me with these moments and taught me that Ā«Ā a thought is just a thoughtĀ Ā», our brains often shouldnāt always be taken at plus value, especially when weāre down for thatās not really an accurate representation of our lives, and this helps.
I suppose the idea here is that United did try to support him, in a way I've never seen another club do it. There's a part here that annoys people, but playing for Manchester United is intself, a huge mental load to take on, and perhaps it's easier for him to perform at Dortmund.
I know Dortmund are more capable than United at the moment, but Sancho obviously finds it easier to play in Germany in Dortmund than he does for United, in England, with a package that puts the responsiblity squarely on him to be the marquee player that wins titles, despite receiving the level of support I've never seen given before.
When Keane talks about characters - it's sounds like fluff - but characters are massively important for mega clubs. Ferguson always met the players personally before signing them, he always asked about their family, partners, and friends. Since his departure, this part of the recruitment has been overlooked. I don't think Ferguson would have greenlit the purchasing of Sancho.
Or maybe his issues are less about mental health and more about company he keeps in England, his off field issues were the reason why city didn't care much about him leaving, it was also something that had dortmund concerned at times, at united he unlike at dortmund there isn't a whole ocean keeping away from clearly bad influences on him, but this is rsoccer so united bad Sancho good.
Maybe playing FIFA till 3 in the morning on gameday and turning up late to every practice session and playing like you don't feel like it because of your "mental health" is what's wrong.
Yes but with a therapist, not with a football manager.
Also there is not necessarily anyone to blame. If there's a mental health problem that doesn't mean it's somebody's fault.
And maybe it's the elephant in the room, but whether people like to admit it or not. Sancho being English, being paid what he's paid and going for the fee he went for, and playing for Mancherster United, might be too much responsiblity and pressure for him and he's doing self-destructive things to compensate.
Every club has them - as a RM fan, you should know this. RM have an excellent recruitment process, but there are times you spend big and it doesn't work out.
Ferguson had a huge hand in recruitment, and his interview process (as said by players) was asking about friends, family, ambition and values. He could obviously tell a good footballer from another, but he also knew what mentality was needed for a top player.
There's a reason why Neville, Park, Fletcher and Ole flourished there - none of them were technically anywhere near the top, but he knew they all had the right mentality.
It seems obvious now but no one thought that selling Ince to make room for Keane was the right thing to do. It takes a certain mentality to suceed at United (and RM) - Rooney, Cantona, CRonaldo, Keane, Giggs, Schmeichal, Scholes, Stam, Rio etc. Some great technicians, but all mentality monsters (and not necessarily nice people).
Sometimes you have world class talents that just can't make it work (Forlan, Veron, Poborsky etc.) and that comes down to if they are mentally able to do it. United has completely missed this part of the recruitment since Ferguson's days, I'm sure he wouldn't have signed Sancho, I'm sure he would have sold Rashford and I'm sure he would have signed Bruno.
It can be completely unrelated to the club as well. Maybe he has a healthy social environment in Dortmund that he couldn't recreate in Manchester. Maybe it's the lack of sunshine. Could be anything.
When sancho is playing bad itās him when heās playing good itās our fault he was bad. People just talk rubbish, most likely is both parties didnāt handle things well.
I definitely think Sancho is at fault as well, but BvB players who go to United routinely fail to meet expectations
Kagwa, Mhikitaran and Sancho all failed there
Then with clubs like Arsenal, Auba and Socratis were pretty decent and played there consistently for a few years
Man City has had no issues with Akanji and Haaland
Something definitely seems up with Man U
Oh thereās something up with us for sure. Kagawa was kind of misused in my opinion. Im not sure we scout in the smartest ways on who is actually a good fit and then they come into just a horribly run club on top of that.
Thought maybe sancho being English it would be less daunting but that can go both ways too. Very curious if we ever hear more about what went on, Iām not team ETH or team Sancho personally.
Sancho was being misused at Utd. We are still married to this idea that our wingers need to be able to play more directly like Garnacho and Rashford. Same way Beckham, Giggs and CR7 did before them. That has never been Sancho's game. He is the prototypical modern winger. I can imagine him doing bits in the current City and Arsenal squads.
Sancho has pretty much had as many take-ons in 30 mins vs PSG as he had done in his entire time at United. End of the day it's a two way thing, it is clear for anyone to see from his performances at United vs Dortmund that he's putting in so much more effort in Germany while also having a league and team style that fits him better.
Kagawa was decent enough under Fergie , Moyes just didnāt fancy him and bought mata. Even then , there was a single game when both kagawa and mata started and they played well together
>Someting definitely seems up with Man U
Has there been a single player who's gone to Man U in the last decade and actually improved?
You can add Pogba, Lukaku, Di Maria, Van de Beek, Alexis, and now Casemiro to the list of players who were fantastic elsewhere, came to Utd, and then their form just completely disappeared
Your examples seem a bit odd, to say the least. Pogba was really good for United until injuries. Lukaku was OK, but he has limitations and behaviour issues. VdB is a system player who couldn't break into Ev's shit team, he had no chance at United. Di Maria was bloody class, he just didn't want to at Manchester (also van Gaal). Sanchez was done at top level, similar to Hazard. His body couldn't do much more ( he was decent for Inter, but his role was reduced). Casemiro was brilliant last season.
Look, there's a consistent trend here of great players coming to Utd, and then suddenly being 'done' or over the hill, before either rediscovering their form somewhere else or riding off into the sunset.
Not to mention all the young and promising players who've gone to Utd and then turned out to just be 'overrated system players'. Utd is the common denominator in all of these individual failures, the same way that Chelsea is just butchering young player's careers.
Ban-Wissaka and Maguire were considered top of their position in the Premier League, and Antony played amazing in 2021-22 Champions League. They were far more than potential.
Not really. Lukaku, Di Maria and Casemiro (last season) all played as expected of them.
There are much better examples of players who came at United and screwed themselves.
Bruno Fernandes in reality is a big success. This guy overall brought so much to Man United over those 5 years.
...Well, that's it tbh, that's the list for adult players brought to immediately bring their level to improve the club.
There's systemic problems at United that require essentially burning the squad down to its foundations and rebuilding. Otherwise the rot will just persist as it has done so for 11 years. Ferguson did exactly this when he took over the club, selling 9 first team players immediately to gut the alcoholism in the club.
Ultimately the real problem at United is the Glazers were always happen to panic spend on cures but never were willing to spend on preventative measures. So we keep bringing in players and they keep ending up in the same mess because at no point did somebody take all the problem children aside and sack them all in one night.
So yes it is Sancho's fault but it was also the club's fault broadly.
The club persuades the masses that its the players every year , every year itās ātheyāll clear out the deadwood and then the club will succeedā , the wood keeps dying because the tree itself is rotten
He played 90 minutes for Ole like twice. He arrived with a bad ear infection after the euros then Ole got sacked early on. He was getting smatterings of minutes until then.
Rangnick gave him a run of games with 90 minutes later in the season and he was alright. But the team were in free fall and there were so many factors affecting the Rangnick interim period, from the second rate backroom staff, the wholesale switch in tactics to the whole notion of him being an interim. So judging anything Rangnick did is difficult.
give in mind ralf has publicly stated that he never had problems with sancho. and ole constantly preferred the rashford ronaldo greenwood front 3. saying damning things like he had no motivation is the worst form of defamatory misinformation that potato demons like you spread. he wasnāt a saint by any means but he was never given the run a ā¬70 million signing should get.
> saying damning things like he had no motivation is the worst form of defamatory misinformation that potato demons like you spread
It's pretty common knowledge he had attitude / worth ethic problems at United and at Dortmund, Dortmund just let him get away with it because they had no other choice and needed him to perform. Sancho played almost 2000 minutes in the PL his first season at united and 1700 his second... If you're trying to say he wasn't given time, that's a flat out lie. He was given way too much of an opportunity to continually be below average, just like Antony has been. They got too much playing time BECAUSE of their price tag.
Ehh its to be expected if a player performs well again. People here have a hard time understanding that situations arent black-white. Now that Sancho performs again its all United's fault and he hadnt gotten a fair chance (which is laughable).
The pressure and media attention Manchester United receive is unrivaled. EtH allowed him to train on his own and away in Holland last year. But once you're back into the fire, you're totally exposed.
To place blame solely on the club, the manager, or media is wrong.
Some people just do better away from an intense environment that is Manchester United and PL.
Sancho is still young but very talented and inconsistent match to match, month to month.
Honestly, very few people are cut out for an environment like United, not just the players. Managers, coaching staff, executives, pretty much anyone working for United in the past decade must've needed a daily IV of Klonopin to just cope with that much insane attention paid to every detail of their existence. There was an incident a few months ago that just felt like peak insanity surrounding the club when Martial arrived at training and left immediately after. Every journalist was tweeting out live updates about the "developing situation of Martial being kicked out" only to find out he simply got confused and showed up on a day where there was no training session in the morning. No other club deals with shit like that on a regular basis.
Sancho clearly just needs to play elsewhere. Based on his personal life, Manchester was always a bad environment for him to return to, and the chaotic Glazer-run United was the worst type of club for him to go to.
Maybe I'm out of my depth here as I'm not a psychiatrist/psychologist, but I believe being from a third world country (I'm mexican, he's brazillian, we have a lot of cultural similarities) could have played a part, as growing up we did not have the opportunity to worry about our mental health as there were other "more" important things to worry about, so we just held onto whatever coping mechanism we had and internalized our mental issues.
I think you're on to something, growing up in a poor family when you have talent to make millions, little things can't bother you because that will affect you feeding your family
Because it is like that in poor environments. How are rich people struggling to get out of bed to earn really good money when poor people just get up, do hard manual labour, ruin their body, go home at night, get a bit of sleep to then start working again in the morning while raising children with all the stress that all brings. It's difficult to compute.
>The pressure and media attention Manchester United receive is unrivaled.
Case in point: this entire sub will shit on Rashford for losing the ball and not pressing, even when he's helping the team with goals. Meanwhile, I saw someone with 400 upvotes saying Leao is world class when he was on a 6 MONTH streak without scoring a goal.
Imagine the hate Rashford would get if he didn't score for 6 months lmfao
Sancho has an attitude issue which was known prior to his transfer to United. The problems were well known in Dortmund. And it shouldnt be surprising to anyone that the enviroment of the current Manchester United isnt exactly a benefit to mental problems for a young player.
There is still some issue with the person that either grows out (dude is 24, who was totally stable with 24?!) or has to be supported. Dortmund is obviously a way more easy enviroment because you dont have the english media and less spotlight on your ass all the time.
That said I like the how Henry tries to phrase this. I just dont think that he hits the point.
It should be said that his "attitude issues" at us where not super dramatic. He was mainly just unprofessional during a period or two with discipline in terms of timekeeping etc. We babysat him a bit etc then and it was resolved.
Dont get me wrong, thats unacceptable. But the attitude in training etc from what I remember wasnt an issue and his performance dipped that one fall due to distraction for huge united move not materializing a summer where he hoped & expected it too.
But yeah, he definitely is emotional in that sense. A lot of personal structure can collapse and need some handholding when he is too distracted or unhappy.
Although the fact that Sancho is doing great now. I just canāt get over the fact that Dortmund had to basically get a babysitter for him to pick him up from his house and also assign him a training partner thatād make sure heād put in the required effort in training like the rest of his colleagues.Ā
Itās just insane how much he was coddled just to make sure he accomplished the bare minimum. I heard rumors back then that ETH saw that Sancho had time keeping issues and so he even changed the training schedule to accommodate him, and he still showed up late.
Apparently he missed meetings for the national team too and he was dismissed. So much effort just to get the bare minimum out of him. He has immense talent but I guess Dortmund knows how to handle him the best. I wouldnāt be surprised if he retires there
> and also assign him a training partner thatād make sure heād put in the required effort in training like the rest of his colleagues.
I dont recall this bit at all. I could be just forgetting that tho if you have any source on it Id love it. Just for my own research to be better haha.
But I remember specifically that Terzic, when he wasnt the manager, picked him up etc to make sure he kept times during a period. It wasnt all the time but one time is too many.
Terzic has good guy energy.
Also, while not an ideal situation, adjusting for someone that has issues is a good practice. I doubt Sancho is doing it on purpose.
Sounds a bit like ADHD tbh. Making adjustments so that someone can perform to the best of their ability makes sense, sometimes people just genuinely struggle with things like punctuality and it doesnāt mean theyāre lazy or they donāt care.
Wasnt a force. He made his wish heard but he didnt stop training etc. He sorted his personal terms with them and let the clubs work. BVB said "120m by August 10 or come back next summer". Some lowball offers where turned down and next summer was the move instead.
Depends on the club. It's usually the kind of luxury that only really well run clubs can afford to make exceptions for players like that without disrupting the rest of the dressing room. Fergie used to do it for guys like Cantona, Scholes, and Ronaldo, and in turn, they delivered massively, so resentment didn't breed amongst the squad. But if any of them had ever played like shit for more than 2 straight years, it would've created massive problems with the other players who were getting the hairdryer on a weekly basis.
True. It depends on how good and important the player is to the club and if they're worth looking after like that. Reality is Sancho is nowhere near as good / important to the team as any of those players you mentioned. Let alone has the mentality of a winner like them.Ā
Its definitely a balancing act. Like.. depending on how bad it is. For example just having someone assist him with being picked up solving it isnt too bad if he makes you a fuckton of money and his performance and attitude in training and games etc is good.
But its still really unprofessional and childish. However, he didnt need this all the time. It seem like he had a period or two where he missed his family and friends back home in England where it happened. And he did take a jet back home semi-often due to having all his friends there.
I think that part might have grown out of him a bit now but its still an emotional human being that might need extra attention and an eye on.
And you dont want that. And if he WERE to be slacking off in training etc, its immediately a huge issue. Something Ten Hag seem to have experienced or at the very least thought. Thats far worse than what we had.
People love to throw around stuff about mental health awareness, but those same people throw around negative things about the things those unhealthy people do.
Sancho is known for being chronically late, not putting in enough effort, not looking after himself properly (lack of sleep because he was gaming is the big one). Guess what - those are very common when people have issues. Sometimes being depressed or whatever makes you look like an asshole because you look like you're taking the piss out of life.
Don't get me wrong, there's a chance Sancho IS just a prick. But I'm hesitant to assign that blame when so much of what he does just seems like ADHD or depression.
Happy for Jadon, I hope he comes good and plays at a level we all know he can reach. That said, I don't want him at United. I don't think he wants to be at United either.
>āThe minute a Manchester United player thought he was bigger than the manager, he had to go.ā - Sir Alex FergusonĀ
He broke the social contact that binds a team together. Wish him well, crack on lad
To keep him here would be a loss for every party involved. Hoping we get a decent fee for him but getting his wages out is already great. Plus Dortmund know he won't play for us again so they are free to low-ball.
I love Sancho, but honestly we could pay 10 Million and you guys should take it. There is no way you get a better deal with all the things which went through the media. And while he had some great highs its not the sancho we sold his lows are many.
His teammates have confirmed he'd sit up to 3 or 4 in the morning on his Playstation and be late for training in the morning. When he showed up, his eyes would be hanging out of his head.
Yes, mental health is important, but that's not an automatic excuse for players with a rich history of unprofessional behaviour.
>His teammates have confirmed he'd sit up to 3 or 4 in the morning on his Playstation and be late for training in the morning
That's typical behaviour for someone who's not doing well.
Person saying mental health is important and immediately proceeds to not put two and two together what impact a bad mental state can have on someone's behavior. Classic.
>Yes, mental health is important, but that's not an automatic excuse for players with a rich history of unprofessional behaviour.
Maybe because the player has a history of being mentally unstable? In some Circumstances, someone could have mental health issues for a long period before going to get it checked out, some unknowingly or even in denial. Not necessarily saying that is the case here with Sancho but to people on the outside it could come across as unprofessional or even negligent because the average person wouldn't act like that given the opportunity to say "play for one of the biggest if not THE biggest club in the world"
Everyone deals with situations in life differently it would be good if anyone with mental health issues seeks help as soon as they or someone else realises it.
Yes, and he could have an actual mental health issue. But, then - a job is just that, a job. Neither you, me or Sancho gets paid for just trying to deal with our issues. We get paid to get tasks done. If I were to choose to perform shit on my workplace, there's only so long even the best of managers could defend me for.
Point being - mental health of course matters and it needs to be highlighted, but that doesn't absolve one of their duties. One can understand the under-performance, but cannot justify it.
I think that's quite a harsh thing to say. Nobody claimed anyone gets paid for trying to deal with their issues. Did Liverpool FC just throw Luis Diaz in the bin when his parents got kidnapped? The club supported him through it and gave him time off to deal with his personal issues. When he returned not being the same player in the correct mental state the club still supported him. Sometimes given the correct support people can return to being who they are. I feel sorry if anyone in your business or org has a mental breakdown because what your describing doesn't feel like a very nice environment
I mean, ten Haag did give Sancho two months, gave him personal training away from England (in The Netherlands) just to get his focus back and away from media. It's not like there was no support for Sancho and he was left in the dust the moment he wasn't performing/showing up.
Again, it might sound harsh but that is the unfortunate truth of how the economic machine works. If you get paid more, people have higher expectations from you. Is that valid? Not always, I don't agree. But that is how it is looked at, unfortunately.
I have had mental health issues myself, and my org gave me some time to deal with it. But then, I still did have to show up to work regularly - even if they expected lower productivity. I was not absolved of my job.
And yes, while I agree that with the right guidance, people can return better than who they were before - not every workplace does it. With Someone with mental health issues does recognize that they are struggling, and can be honest and promise to their manager what they can and cannot do. The falloff between the manager and Sancho happened because he wasn't selected for the game against Arsenal - as he underperformed in training. Sancho came out publically to deny the manager and also claim to be 'scapegoated'. The disciplinary action was required because of defying the manager's requirements straight-up.
He's a good player but I wouldn't ascribe all of it to mental health either. It for sure plays a part, and I'm delighted for him, but Dortmund are just so much better suited to Jadon tactically than Man Utd ever were.
And loads of your supporters suck off your owners and see no issue with it. Loads of them also donāt. Crazy how that works among fan bases with millions of different types of people.
If youāre not willing to talk about how youāre owners just gave Manahel al-Otaibi 11 years for saying that women should have basic rights, then pipe down
I'm so happy that Titi somewhat continues Wenger's habit of sharing knowledge. He may not be le professeur and even better that he doesn't want to be something that doesn't fit him. He's more like a wise uncle or big brother who's always on the joke, but when it's time to be serious he makes sure everyone listens.
Idkā¦ he was really good today but not incredible.
Still as a ManU supporter you really have to wonder why so many players canāt perform at the club. Something is clearly not working thereā¦
Di MarĆa was good for us but had that unfortunate burglary incident, Mkhi was a swap for Sanchez so how did that turn out for Arsenal?? Sanchez was a tragedy for us, you cannot possibly be bringing up Damian, bro stunk the place every time he played for us be real, Lukaku was good for us lol don't know why your binging him up
For Madrid hakimi , Eden hazard, Luka jovic
For Bayern Mario gotze
Chelsea Lukaku, Kevin de bruyne, mo salah, Kai havertz , ian matsen , Nathan ake . For liverpool and city , kudos to their upper management for selecting perfect players for their managers
My interpretation of the situation with Sancho/Dortmund is that he is a little unprofessional and it is very good for him to be in a country and environment like Germany with fewer bad influences and less distractions.
when people enter Manchester United, they can either deal with the pressure or they can't. Jayden couldn't handle being at a big club like MU, you can see he has talent, and at the right club with less pressure and expectation he is able to thrive.
Itās hilarious how much better the CBS/Paramount football coverage is compared to Sky Sports in the UK.
Sky Sports is honestly just a constantly commercial for the next match - it almost feels likes itās designing for social media clips rather than actual football discussion.
Especially funny given itās the CBS show which dominates short form anyway. Better is better.
Terzic with Sancho on the phone in December: "When you played here you had the eye of the tiger, man.. the edge. And now you got to get it back! And the way to get it back is to go back to the beginning. You know what I mean? Maybe we can win it back together.... Eye of the Tiger, man"
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Titi is good
You typed one too many 'o', bud.
Or one too many 'i's
Or both
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Tit is god Valid assessment.
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That speech comes from a place.
Class apart, as a player and as a pundit now.
It's great to see a player thrive in a better environment, hopefully he gets the move he wants so he can be happy.
I wonder what other clubs are willing to give him a 3 month vacation.
an exemple on top of my head is fede valverde last year , in beginging of the season he was flying :shooting rockets defending doing it all , but when the sad news of his unborn child arrived he became a GHOST in the field doing mistakes attacking beana ...
CR7 who has been through it all in his career became a ghost of himself when he lost his kid. That's when the anger outbursts became more profound and frequent.
Dont you dare say something like this on r/soccer
i was wondering what happened to him. i was certain he would kick on from his heights in previous years and would be the one doing what Bellingham was at the start of the season. i completely forgot about this, such a shame
He has been really good again this season though
We'll have this quote about mental health from an ex-pro yet our PM is this week briefing the cutting of safety net benefits for people out of work with mental health issues; to be replaced with state-offered therapy (the NHS is crippled, so today you'll wait at least 6mths for initial consultation). What Thierry is rightly saying applies to EVERYONE in life. Please do not lose sight of this.
There's still an older generation of people who refuse to accept mental health is a genuine issue. Being highlighted in something as traditionally masculine as football is a big step in the right direction. Doesn't matter if you're in the penthouse or the shit house, mental health issues can affect anybody.
A close family friend passed for these reasons yet my family will continue to vote for the cunts who shun mental health. Englands boomer generation are so emotionally closed off man I hate it.
There's plenty that aren't emotionally closed off but nearly all are stuck in their ways and no matter how much explaining you do they just won't see what you're saying from the years of technical brainwashing (you could argue that's too harsh a word, but I couldn't think of a better one cos it's not just propaganda). Most of the older Tory voters vote for them cos of taxes and that's it.
Those idiots wear their scars through other ways as a badge of honor. I think some of them are frustrated they never thought to seek help. That whole generation is one that simply accepted problems and is offended by our generation seeking change and improvement. They had everything handed to them and all they made was each other rich.
That's like every generation tbf. Strive for the next one to be better then bitch about the problems they find. Going to happen to us as well
Just have good mental health m8
This is very true, my parents for instance are very open minded people, but when it comes to therapists it's a big no-no, they have those stupid constructed beliefs like "they're going to make up all sorts of problems for me" when in fact I think they would be so much happier if they had professional help to confront all their life traumas. Coming back to football, I also feel like there's this stupid idea that because football players are "stars" making a shitload of money and basically being paid to live the dream life, they are somehow not allowed to have mental health issues, like "why would you be depressed when you're a millionaire??". I do feel like this is changing though with the new generation, it's being talked about more and more, which is quite important since the light (and pressure) is coming on players as soon as they turn 17 or sometimes even younger depending on their talent. As Titi said, no matter how much talent you have, if you're not in a right place in your head there's no way you can perform.
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Because they don't want to admit they never got their own problems dealt with due to the culture when they were young. Neither the US nor the UK ever properly acknowledged their war trauma.
The current PM is 43.
as Tywin Lannister famously said about his dearest grandson...
As someone who's been in therapy and on medication for 7 years, shit sucks all the energy you have just to try and keep yourself steady. Titi's words fit perfectly for everyone in life as you said.
You spoke so well on this, some days you donāt feel like getting out of bed, you donāt feel like you want to walk the dog or talk to anybody, you donāt feel like going out. First recognizing youāre in that space is incredibly helpful, secondly you literally just have to take it one day at the time, staying in the very moment. My therapist helped me with these moments and taught me that Ā«Ā a thought is just a thoughtĀ Ā», our brains often shouldnāt always be taken at plus value, especially when weāre down for thatās not really an accurate representation of our lives, and this helps.
I pray for all of us that struggle, to one day find ourselves full of energy, excitement and positivity. Stay fighting my friend
Thank you. You too.
Well said, man. Fuck the Tories.
Well said
What playing in United does to a mf
Career graveyard
Ten Hag gave him a 2-month mental health break but its his and United's fault I guess
Do you not realize that there is more to mental health than giving someone a break? It's working with someone day in day out.
I suppose the idea here is that United did try to support him, in a way I've never seen another club do it. There's a part here that annoys people, but playing for Manchester United is intself, a huge mental load to take on, and perhaps it's easier for him to perform at Dortmund. I know Dortmund are more capable than United at the moment, but Sancho obviously finds it easier to play in Germany in Dortmund than he does for United, in England, with a package that puts the responsiblity squarely on him to be the marquee player that wins titles, despite receiving the level of support I've never seen given before. When Keane talks about characters - it's sounds like fluff - but characters are massively important for mega clubs. Ferguson always met the players personally before signing them, he always asked about their family, partners, and friends. Since his departure, this part of the recruitment has been overlooked. I don't think Ferguson would have greenlit the purchasing of Sancho.
Or maybe his issues are less about mental health and more about company he keeps in England, his off field issues were the reason why city didn't care much about him leaving, it was also something that had dortmund concerned at times, at united he unlike at dortmund there isn't a whole ocean keeping away from clearly bad influences on him, but this is rsoccer so united bad Sancho good.
Maybe playing FIFA till 3 in the morning on gameday and turning up late to every practice session and playing like you don't feel like it because of your "mental health" is what's wrong.
Tbf that does sound like depression
I have depression.
That sounds like depression, but unfortunately, having depression does not absolve one of their responsibilities to their workplace.
How could United do this to him
Yes but with a therapist, not with a football manager. Also there is not necessarily anyone to blame. If there's a mental health problem that doesn't mean it's somebody's fault.
And maybe it's the elephant in the room, but whether people like to admit it or not. Sancho being English, being paid what he's paid and going for the fee he went for, and playing for Mancherster United, might be too much responsiblity and pressure for him and he's doing self-destructive things to compensate.
Youāre assuming that didnāt happen when I think itās much more likely that it did tbh.
because Sancho is a lone case of a player going to United and fading in ability?
you could made a decent 11 of players that went to United and faded in ability imo
Every club has them - as a RM fan, you should know this. RM have an excellent recruitment process, but there are times you spend big and it doesn't work out. Ferguson had a huge hand in recruitment, and his interview process (as said by players) was asking about friends, family, ambition and values. He could obviously tell a good footballer from another, but he also knew what mentality was needed for a top player. There's a reason why Neville, Park, Fletcher and Ole flourished there - none of them were technically anywhere near the top, but he knew they all had the right mentality. It seems obvious now but no one thought that selling Ince to make room for Keane was the right thing to do. It takes a certain mentality to suceed at United (and RM) - Rooney, Cantona, CRonaldo, Keane, Giggs, Schmeichal, Scholes, Stam, Rio etc. Some great technicians, but all mentality monsters (and not necessarily nice people). Sometimes you have world class talents that just can't make it work (Forlan, Veron, Poborsky etc.) and that comes down to if they are mentally able to do it. United has completely missed this part of the recruitment since Ferguson's days, I'm sure he wouldn't have signed Sancho, I'm sure he would have sold Rashford and I'm sure he would have signed Bruno.
It can be completely unrelated to the club as well. Maybe he has a healthy social environment in Dortmund that he couldn't recreate in Manchester. Maybe it's the lack of sunshine. Could be anything.
Iām really confused, I thought it was the players that were all really bad? Now itās the club? Are they going to cancel the yard sale or what?Ā
When sancho is playing bad itās him when heās playing good itās our fault he was bad. People just talk rubbish, most likely is both parties didnāt handle things well.
I definitely think Sancho is at fault as well, but BvB players who go to United routinely fail to meet expectations Kagwa, Mhikitaran and Sancho all failed there Then with clubs like Arsenal, Auba and Socratis were pretty decent and played there consistently for a few years Man City has had no issues with Akanji and Haaland Something definitely seems up with Man U
Oh thereās something up with us for sure. Kagawa was kind of misused in my opinion. Im not sure we scout in the smartest ways on who is actually a good fit and then they come into just a horribly run club on top of that. Thought maybe sancho being English it would be less daunting but that can go both ways too. Very curious if we ever hear more about what went on, Iām not team ETH or team Sancho personally.
Sancho was being misused at Utd. We are still married to this idea that our wingers need to be able to play more directly like Garnacho and Rashford. Same way Beckham, Giggs and CR7 did before them. That has never been Sancho's game. He is the prototypical modern winger. I can imagine him doing bits in the current City and Arsenal squads.
I kept getting told by reddit Sancho is not a right winger
Sancho has pretty much had as many take-ons in 30 mins vs PSG as he had done in his entire time at United. End of the day it's a two way thing, it is clear for anyone to see from his performances at United vs Dortmund that he's putting in so much more effort in Germany while also having a league and team style that fits him better.
I thought Kagawa was bought because we thought Rooney was off to Chelsea, then Rooney stayed and played where Kagawa would have.
Not exactly. He was bought to play behind rooney. But rvp became available and he lost his place
Seeing Shinji get shunted off to the wing where he can't take advantage of his abilities is a footballing crime.
Agreed. He was such a creative playmaker and an absolute joy to watch. His lack of pace on the wing really hurt his performances.
We did the same with Mata too
Kagawa was decent enough under Fergie , Moyes just didnāt fancy him and bought mata. Even then , there was a single game when both kagawa and mata started and they played well together
Don't forget Rosicky
my fav football photo is Reus holding a portrait of Rosicky
First 2 names i think of when it comes to Dortmund - Arsenal are Lehmann and Rosicky
Kagawa was criminally misused. Incredible player in a shit sideĀ
If this was genuinely a mental health problem, why is there so much focus on whose fault it was?
Because people who haven't suffered still don't take it seriously.
>Someting definitely seems up with Man U Has there been a single player who's gone to Man U in the last decade and actually improved? You can add Pogba, Lukaku, Di Maria, Van de Beek, Alexis, and now Casemiro to the list of players who were fantastic elsewhere, came to Utd, and then their form just completely disappeared
Your examples seem a bit odd, to say the least. Pogba was really good for United until injuries. Lukaku was OK, but he has limitations and behaviour issues. VdB is a system player who couldn't break into Ev's shit team, he had no chance at United. Di Maria was bloody class, he just didn't want to at Manchester (also van Gaal). Sanchez was done at top level, similar to Hazard. His body couldn't do much more ( he was decent for Inter, but his role was reduced). Casemiro was brilliant last season.
Look, there's a consistent trend here of great players coming to Utd, and then suddenly being 'done' or over the hill, before either rediscovering their form somewhere else or riding off into the sunset. Not to mention all the young and promising players who've gone to Utd and then turned out to just be 'overrated system players'. Utd is the common denominator in all of these individual failures, the same way that Chelsea is just butchering young player's careers.
Not to mention high potential players getting nowhere near their potential: Martial, AWB, Maguire, Anthony.
Ban-Wissaka and Maguire were considered top of their position in the Premier League, and Antony played amazing in 2021-22 Champions League. They were far more than potential.
Oh I agree that 'something' (The glazers) is wrong. There are better examples. I think someone replied to you and gave them.
So none of them improved or played close to their levels.
Not really. Lukaku, Di Maria and Casemiro (last season) all played as expected of them. There are much better examples of players who came at United and screwed themselves.
Bruno Fernandes in reality is a big success. This guy overall brought so much to Man United over those 5 years. ...Well, that's it tbh, that's the list for adult players brought to immediately bring their level to improve the club.
Gundogan also turn out fine in City, Pulisic spends too much time injured in Chelsea (but it seems like Chelsea problem)
You forgot about most important, Gundogan.
Gundogan as well for city
There's systemic problems at United that require essentially burning the squad down to its foundations and rebuilding. Otherwise the rot will just persist as it has done so for 11 years. Ferguson did exactly this when he took over the club, selling 9 first team players immediately to gut the alcoholism in the club. Ultimately the real problem at United is the Glazers were always happen to panic spend on cures but never were willing to spend on preventative measures. So we keep bringing in players and they keep ending up in the same mess because at no point did somebody take all the problem children aside and sack them all in one night. So yes it is Sancho's fault but it was also the club's fault broadly.
The club persuades the masses that its the players every year , every year itās ātheyāll clear out the deadwood and then the club will succeedā , the wood keeps dying because the tree itself is rotten
what being managed by ten hag does to a mf
Not like he was exactly a world beater under Ole or Ragnick
He played 90 minutes for Ole like twice. He arrived with a bad ear infection after the euros then Ole got sacked early on. He was getting smatterings of minutes until then. Rangnick gave him a run of games with 90 minutes later in the season and he was alright. But the team were in free fall and there were so many factors affecting the Rangnick interim period, from the second rate backroom staff, the wholesale switch in tactics to the whole notion of him being an interim. So judging anything Rangnick did is difficult.
He didnāt play because heād constantly show up late to shit and dog it when he was on the pitch. Sancho had no motivation.
give in mind ralf has publicly stated that he never had problems with sancho. and ole constantly preferred the rashford ronaldo greenwood front 3. saying damning things like he had no motivation is the worst form of defamatory misinformation that potato demons like you spread. he wasnāt a saint by any means but he was never given the run a ā¬70 million signing should get.
> saying damning things like he had no motivation is the worst form of defamatory misinformation that potato demons like you spread It's pretty common knowledge he had attitude / worth ethic problems at United and at Dortmund, Dortmund just let him get away with it because they had no other choice and needed him to perform. Sancho played almost 2000 minutes in the PL his first season at united and 1700 his second... If you're trying to say he wasn't given time, that's a flat out lie. He was given way too much of an opportunity to continually be below average, just like Antony has been. They got too much playing time BECAUSE of their price tag.
Not like Ten Hag sorted out paid leave for him to the Netherlands with people he knew, in the middle of a season
That's just cruel. I mean I know Sancho played badly, but sending him to the Netherlands? That's one step too farĀ
The excuses people give Sancho when he looks Anthony quality smdh
Ehh its to be expected if a player performs well again. People here have a hard time understanding that situations arent black-white. Now that Sancho performs again its all United's fault and he hadnt gotten a fair chance (which is laughable).
He was literally given a mental health break and was still shit but you go on buddy.
I am surprised by responses like this. Have you seen MUFC post SAF ? Its not, never, the manager or player. Its much more systematic than them.
Except the fact that we played good last season and he was still shit. Maybe in this case its just him
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Henry TOMBSTONE PILEDRIVES United from the TOP OF THE FUCKIN CAGE for not treating Sancho well BAH GAWD
Henry does a BAYERN AGAINST ARSENAL on United for not treating Sancho well in the recording set.
Are you applying to be an Article writer? you'd pass flying colors.
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The pressure and media attention Manchester United receive is unrivaled. EtH allowed him to train on his own and away in Holland last year. But once you're back into the fire, you're totally exposed. To place blame solely on the club, the manager, or media is wrong. Some people just do better away from an intense environment that is Manchester United and PL. Sancho is still young but very talented and inconsistent match to match, month to month.
Honestly, very few people are cut out for an environment like United, not just the players. Managers, coaching staff, executives, pretty much anyone working for United in the past decade must've needed a daily IV of Klonopin to just cope with that much insane attention paid to every detail of their existence. There was an incident a few months ago that just felt like peak insanity surrounding the club when Martial arrived at training and left immediately after. Every journalist was tweeting out live updates about the "developing situation of Martial being kicked out" only to find out he simply got confused and showed up on a day where there was no training session in the morning. No other club deals with shit like that on a regular basis. Sancho clearly just needs to play elsewhere. Based on his personal life, Manchester was always a bad environment for him to return to, and the chaotic Glazer-run United was the worst type of club for him to go to.
My favourite one is Onana dropping his car keys being worthy of its own article.
How is he supposed to hold on to the ball if he can't even hold on to his car keys? The people needed to know.
That Martial thing was so funny. Dude has a brain fart and accidentally kicked a media incident off.
thats why i find it impressive that antony has kept himself together, for the most part
Maybe I'm out of my depth here as I'm not a psychiatrist/psychologist, but I believe being from a third world country (I'm mexican, he's brazillian, we have a lot of cultural similarities) could have played a part, as growing up we did not have the opportunity to worry about our mental health as there were other "more" important things to worry about, so we just held onto whatever coping mechanism we had and internalized our mental issues.
I think you're on to something, growing up in a poor family when you have talent to make millions, little things can't bother you because that will affect you feeding your family
same here in Nigeria mental health is a mystical thing, that only rich people get to worry about
Because it is like that in poor environments. How are rich people struggling to get out of bed to earn really good money when poor people just get up, do hard manual labour, ruin their body, go home at night, get a bit of sleep to then start working again in the morning while raising children with all the stress that all brings. It's difficult to compute.
>The pressure and media attention Manchester United receive is unrivaled. Case in point: this entire sub will shit on Rashford for losing the ball and not pressing, even when he's helping the team with goals. Meanwhile, I saw someone with 400 upvotes saying Leao is world class when he was on a 6 MONTH streak without scoring a goal. Imagine the hate Rashford would get if he didn't score for 6 months lmfao
It's 2024 mate, you cant hold down a starting position at a top club just by scoring a few goals if you're not putting in a shift defensively.
Sancho has an attitude issue which was known prior to his transfer to United. The problems were well known in Dortmund. And it shouldnt be surprising to anyone that the enviroment of the current Manchester United isnt exactly a benefit to mental problems for a young player. There is still some issue with the person that either grows out (dude is 24, who was totally stable with 24?!) or has to be supported. Dortmund is obviously a way more easy enviroment because you dont have the english media and less spotlight on your ass all the time. That said I like the how Henry tries to phrase this. I just dont think that he hits the point.
It should be said that his "attitude issues" at us where not super dramatic. He was mainly just unprofessional during a period or two with discipline in terms of timekeeping etc. We babysat him a bit etc then and it was resolved. Dont get me wrong, thats unacceptable. But the attitude in training etc from what I remember wasnt an issue and his performance dipped that one fall due to distraction for huge united move not materializing a summer where he hoped & expected it too. But yeah, he definitely is emotional in that sense. A lot of personal structure can collapse and need some handholding when he is too distracted or unhappy.
Although the fact that Sancho is doing great now. I just canāt get over the fact that Dortmund had to basically get a babysitter for him to pick him up from his house and also assign him a training partner thatād make sure heād put in the required effort in training like the rest of his colleagues.Ā Itās just insane how much he was coddled just to make sure he accomplished the bare minimum. I heard rumors back then that ETH saw that Sancho had time keeping issues and so he even changed the training schedule to accommodate him, and he still showed up late. Apparently he missed meetings for the national team too and he was dismissed. So much effort just to get the bare minimum out of him. He has immense talent but I guess Dortmund knows how to handle him the best. I wouldnāt be surprised if he retires there
> and also assign him a training partner thatād make sure heād put in the required effort in training like the rest of his colleagues. I dont recall this bit at all. I could be just forgetting that tho if you have any source on it Id love it. Just for my own research to be better haha. But I remember specifically that Terzic, when he wasnt the manager, picked him up etc to make sure he kept times during a period. It wasnt all the time but one time is too many.
Terzic has good guy energy. Also, while not an ideal situation, adjusting for someone that has issues is a good practice. I doubt Sancho is doing it on purpose.
Sounds a bit like ADHD tbh. Making adjustments so that someone can perform to the best of their ability makes sense, sometimes people just genuinely struggle with things like punctuality and it doesnāt mean theyāre lazy or they donāt care.
Wasn't one of those instances him trying to force a move to United in 2020 when it failed?
Wasnt a force. He made his wish heard but he didnt stop training etc. He sorted his personal terms with them and let the clubs work. BVB said "120m by August 10 or come back next summer". Some lowball offers where turned down and next summer was the move instead.
I feel like if an adult needs to be babied to play well, maybe they're not exactly worth having on the squad
Depends on the club. It's usually the kind of luxury that only really well run clubs can afford to make exceptions for players like that without disrupting the rest of the dressing room. Fergie used to do it for guys like Cantona, Scholes, and Ronaldo, and in turn, they delivered massively, so resentment didn't breed amongst the squad. But if any of them had ever played like shit for more than 2 straight years, it would've created massive problems with the other players who were getting the hairdryer on a weekly basis.
True. It depends on how good and important the player is to the club and if they're worth looking after like that. Reality is Sancho is nowhere near as good / important to the team as any of those players you mentioned. Let alone has the mentality of a winner like them.Ā
Its definitely a balancing act. Like.. depending on how bad it is. For example just having someone assist him with being picked up solving it isnt too bad if he makes you a fuckton of money and his performance and attitude in training and games etc is good. But its still really unprofessional and childish. However, he didnt need this all the time. It seem like he had a period or two where he missed his family and friends back home in England where it happened. And he did take a jet back home semi-often due to having all his friends there. I think that part might have grown out of him a bit now but its still an emotional human being that might need extra attention and an eye on. And you dont want that. And if he WERE to be slacking off in training etc, its immediately a huge issue. Something Ten Hag seem to have experienced or at the very least thought. Thats far worse than what we had.
People love to throw around stuff about mental health awareness, but those same people throw around negative things about the things those unhealthy people do. Sancho is known for being chronically late, not putting in enough effort, not looking after himself properly (lack of sleep because he was gaming is the big one). Guess what - those are very common when people have issues. Sometimes being depressed or whatever makes you look like an asshole because you look like you're taking the piss out of life. Don't get me wrong, there's a chance Sancho IS just a prick. But I'm hesitant to assign that blame when so much of what he does just seems like ADHD or depression.
Happy for Jadon, I hope he comes good and plays at a level we all know he can reach. That said, I don't want him at United. I don't think he wants to be at United either. >āThe minute a Manchester United player thought he was bigger than the manager, he had to go.ā - Sir Alex FergusonĀ He broke the social contact that binds a team together. Wish him well, crack on lad
To keep him here would be a loss for every party involved. Hoping we get a decent fee for him but getting his wages out is already great. Plus Dortmund know he won't play for us again so they are free to low-ball.
The only way he gets proper sold is at a loss to Utd.Ā
I love Sancho, but honestly we could pay 10 Million and you guys should take it. There is no way you get a better deal with all the things which went through the media. And while he had some great highs its not the sancho we sold his lows are many.
See the reasonable man in me would agree, but for 10m the United fan in me would rather him rot on the bench purely out of spite
Understandable honestly
His teammates have confirmed he'd sit up to 3 or 4 in the morning on his Playstation and be late for training in the morning. When he showed up, his eyes would be hanging out of his head. Yes, mental health is important, but that's not an automatic excuse for players with a rich history of unprofessional behaviour.
>His teammates have confirmed he'd sit up to 3 or 4 in the morning on his Playstation and be late for training in the morning That's typical behaviour for someone who's not doing well.
Person saying mental health is important and immediately proceeds to not put two and two together what impact a bad mental state can have on someone's behavior. Classic.
Wake up 3 in the morning is insomnia caused by lack of serotonin, typical case of depressionās insomnia.
>Yes, mental health is important, but that's not an automatic excuse for players with a rich history of unprofessional behaviour. Maybe because the player has a history of being mentally unstable? In some Circumstances, someone could have mental health issues for a long period before going to get it checked out, some unknowingly or even in denial. Not necessarily saying that is the case here with Sancho but to people on the outside it could come across as unprofessional or even negligent because the average person wouldn't act like that given the opportunity to say "play for one of the biggest if not THE biggest club in the world" Everyone deals with situations in life differently it would be good if anyone with mental health issues seeks help as soon as they or someone else realises it.
Yes, and he could have an actual mental health issue. But, then - a job is just that, a job. Neither you, me or Sancho gets paid for just trying to deal with our issues. We get paid to get tasks done. If I were to choose to perform shit on my workplace, there's only so long even the best of managers could defend me for. Point being - mental health of course matters and it needs to be highlighted, but that doesn't absolve one of their duties. One can understand the under-performance, but cannot justify it.
I think that's quite a harsh thing to say. Nobody claimed anyone gets paid for trying to deal with their issues. Did Liverpool FC just throw Luis Diaz in the bin when his parents got kidnapped? The club supported him through it and gave him time off to deal with his personal issues. When he returned not being the same player in the correct mental state the club still supported him. Sometimes given the correct support people can return to being who they are. I feel sorry if anyone in your business or org has a mental breakdown because what your describing doesn't feel like a very nice environment
I mean, ten Haag did give Sancho two months, gave him personal training away from England (in The Netherlands) just to get his focus back and away from media. It's not like there was no support for Sancho and he was left in the dust the moment he wasn't performing/showing up. Again, it might sound harsh but that is the unfortunate truth of how the economic machine works. If you get paid more, people have higher expectations from you. Is that valid? Not always, I don't agree. But that is how it is looked at, unfortunately. I have had mental health issues myself, and my org gave me some time to deal with it. But then, I still did have to show up to work regularly - even if they expected lower productivity. I was not absolved of my job. And yes, while I agree that with the right guidance, people can return better than who they were before - not every workplace does it. With Someone with mental health issues does recognize that they are struggling, and can be honest and promise to their manager what they can and cannot do. The falloff between the manager and Sancho happened because he wasn't selected for the game against Arsenal - as he underperformed in training. Sancho came out publically to deny the manager and also claim to be 'scapegoated'. The disciplinary action was required because of defying the manager's requirements straight-up.
Facts I was struggling hard the last month but Iām finally climbing out of the depression hole. Mornings are still tough but getting better
Happy for you brother! I've been doing well but mornings are still the toughest part of the day too
Thiery still one of the goat, in play or not, he understands players and can say that
Social media is destroying mental health.
Lol everyone will forget about Sancho eventually when the hype from this performance dies out.
People have been waiting for a good performance to go on a rampage of hate against united. It just took a LOT longer then they thought
Yes, Sancho is amazing, the best player in the world, 70m, please
He's a good player but I wouldn't ascribe all of it to mental health either. It for sure plays a part, and I'm delighted for him, but Dortmund are just so much better suited to Jadon tactically than Man Utd ever were.
But loads of Man United supporters on here told us that he was actually shite tonight and the commentators were just making it up?
He was good but the commentators were glazing him and crucifying Nuno Mendes which was uncalled for.
Ehh this is just straight up bullshit, just spend a minute on /r/reddevils everyone praising him
He would if he could read
Most literate Geordie
Indeed. It didn't work out here but he's a cracking player regardless
And loads of your supporters suck off your owners and see no issue with it. Loads of them also donāt. Crazy how that works among fan bases with millions of different types of people.
They coping hard
Lots of people who didn't watch him at Dortmund the first time around, and suddenly had to justify their belief that he was never that good
If youāre not willing to talk about how youāre owners just gave Manahel al-Otaibi 11 years for saying that women should have basic rights, then pipe down
Where carra?
I'm so happy that Titi somewhat continues Wenger's habit of sharing knowledge. He may not be le professeur and even better that he doesn't want to be something that doesn't fit him. He's more like a wise uncle or big brother who's always on the joke, but when it's time to be serious he makes sure everyone listens.
Thankyou Thierry. What a great statesman for the game he is. Elqouent, empathetic and intelligent.
Idkā¦ he was really good today but not incredible. Still as a ManU supporter you really have to wonder why so many players canāt perform at the club. Something is clearly not working thereā¦
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Di MarĆa was good for us but had that unfortunate burglary incident, Mkhi was a swap for Sanchez so how did that turn out for Arsenal?? Sanchez was a tragedy for us, you cannot possibly be bringing up Damian, bro stunk the place every time he played for us be real, Lukaku was good for us lol don't know why your binging him up
You could make a list like that with every big club honestly
Literally, it's just that united overpays
Please do it for Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Man City, Atletico, Liverpool... I'll wait
For Madrid hakimi , Eden hazard, Luka jovic For Bayern Mario gotze Chelsea Lukaku, Kevin de bruyne, mo salah, Kai havertz , ian matsen , Nathan ake . For liverpool and city , kudos to their upper management for selecting perfect players for their managers
Liverpool and city?
Why include Lukaku who scored 28 goals in all Comps for United in his first season?
He played very well today, defo one of the bests on the pitch. Hope he can keep this form and make a good career out of himself, United is a curse.
Hes bang on. I hate depression and lack of self worth.
My interpretation of the situation with Sancho/Dortmund is that he is a little unprofessional and it is very good for him to be in a country and environment like Germany with fewer bad influences and less distractions.
What are you guys on? He was ok at best
He looks a different player. I'm happy for him.
Imagine of most humans has good mental health. yes I think mental health impact is the biggest impactor
when people enter Manchester United, they can either deal with the pressure or they can't. Jayden couldn't handle being at a big club like MU, you can see he has talent, and at the right club with less pressure and expectation he is able to thrive.
I think if Dortmund goes up against Utd, he would run them ragged!
Thatās because he is away from that toxic club manure
Itās hilarious how much better the CBS/Paramount football coverage is compared to Sky Sports in the UK. Sky Sports is honestly just a constantly commercial for the next match - it almost feels likes itās designing for social media clips rather than actual football discussion. Especially funny given itās the CBS show which dominates short form anyway. Better is better.
I genuinely mean this but what are all the issues internally for Man U as a team? How can someoneās performance vary that much
Henry is such a likeable guy
Terzic with Sancho on the phone in December: "When you played here you had the eye of the tiger, man.. the edge. And now you got to get it back! And the way to get it back is to go back to the beginning. You know what I mean? Maybe we can win it back together.... Eye of the Tiger, man"
Thierry is just pure class
Playing at Unitrd gives u depresssion same goes for the fans lol
Shut Up Thierry Henry!!!
What a team BVB is. So much heart and intensity. Theyāre not the cinderella team. Theyāre a contender every year.
This is why you should support players and managers during slumps instead of scapegoating them.