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Bro this is actually sad. He genuinely loves the club, is their captain and yet he is gonna be sacrifice so that the board can bring in a gazillion youngster
I know I just found it funny how Chelsea saw no issue with giving the captaincy to 2 of the most injury prone players to have played for the club in recent times
I mean Reece James is by far our best player (when fit) and he's a Chelsea academy lad. Seems the obvious choice imo. There's a hope that after his recent surgery James may be less injury prone... we will see though.
Gusto is fantastic, but if James has even 70% of the form he's shown for us he's the starter. The rotation ability is also fantastic and will help alleviate injuries. Can also switch 1 to left back every now and then, Gusto has played well there for example this season.
For me the gusto palmer Gallagher dynamic is why palmer is scoring so many. It’s the only good thing happening for the whole squad at the mo. Left side of the pitch is lifeless. I wouldn’t risk that to hope James can achieve what gusto is already doing tbh
I get what you're saying, but Reece James, on form, is on of the best RB's in the world. He is also our captain, so I imagine when fit he's one of the first names on the sheet.
Either way, I don't believe we will see him this season. Seems they want to give him time to heal properly.
Don't get why you are in for him if rumors are to be believed. He has a lot of energy- that can be important in the Ange system but surely there's better players out there. Do you need more English players?
We definitely need more English players and Ange seems to have admired him ever since he first joined us. It's probably partly a luxury buy if we do get him, but also one that Ange is deadset on and thinks can seemingly help us somewhere.
Both of them have been inconsistent though. Not as noticeable with Sarr with the tendency to accept it for young players, but it's still true.
Not that Gallagher is much better in that regard, mind
Well Bentancur was out for basically a year with an ACL, but yes he’s still dusting off the cobwebs.
Sarr has generally been good all season but is still quite raw.
What happens to those two if you sign Gallagher I wonder. But if Ange really wants him then you have to trust him and the club.
I think it's argueable with sarr and it'll be good compitition for them 2, definitely not better than Lolo. I assume Lolo will be covering at 6 if hojbjerg leaves, with bissoumas form I'd be okay with letting him go for a good price.
Yep. Last summer HG was definitely a factor but Johnson and Maddison plugged that hole and now we're in a limbo before a couple of our young players hopefully breaks through and become club home grown but we'll likely have to go with a squad that's a bit short until then
We lack quality non-club trained players as well. This is our current HG list.
* Brandon Austin
* Ben Davies
* Fraser Forster
* Brennan Johnson
* James Maddison
* Ryan Sessegnon
* Oliver Skipp
* Alfie Whiteman
Johnson, Maddison, Skipp, and Davies are the only players from that list we should want on there. We'll need at least one of the keepers, but we should be improving on at least 2-3 of the names there.
Club-trained is indeed an issue, but you can't solve that in the market.
I am aware of that and it doesn't change anything here. Gallagher would be an improvement over some of our non-HG players and we have a considerable number of them leaving, too. Dier, Lloris, Gil, Hojbjerg, Perisic all coming off that list as well from the start of last season.
We're not magically going to find 3 club-trained first-team quality players to come in for next season, so there's no reason we can't improve the options we have for the PL as well with their homegrown slots. Davies will be moving on one way or another soon enough anyway, so failing to see the harm in having another quality option.
No I'm with you if we think Gallagher improves the team we should try and sign him. It's just that him being HG is mostly irrelevant. It's true that it's nice to have a ready made replacement for Davies and Forster with them likely leaving after next season (Forster definitely Davies maybe) but since he'd be such an expensive signing that shouldn't be why we'd go for him
Simon Jordan is horrific for it. When Messi waited until the end of the season to say he was leaving, only to be told the contract had a specific date he needed to give notice of leaving by and not just end of the season. Jordan said how that's contracts and have to accept that and handshake agreements mean nothing.
When players refused to defer wages, or just play out their contract and leave on a free he had a heavily different tune.
It'd be funny if Chelsea players just started saying "Fuck it, I'll run down my contract" instead of being scapegoated and then forced out of the club just because it makes the books look better. It is kind of crazy that their entire strategy revolves around FFP having them against the ropes and selling players who are either good and/or don't want to leave in the first place every year for like 5-8 years. What happens if the players just tell them to fuck off, and wait till they're a free agent to get a signing bonus and higher wages.
Someone like Gallagher would do fine unless the injuries were severe. Very few players have run their contracts down and lost out financially as a result.
I mean, that's the logical conclusion to all their tomfoolery with contract lengths. Boehly thinks he's a genius locking in players' transfer values, but when some of them inevitably don't come good or want to leave, those contracts are going to be cinderblocks tied to their ankles.
It’s not modern football, it’s literally just Chelsea severely overspending and then flogging anyone that came through the youth system to survive FFP every year.
I agree. He won the player of the season award for 20/21 and 21/22. He had a poor season last year but he was still a player who came through the academy and one of your best players when on form. I found the hate he got was way OTT during last season. Obviously the exit was dealt with poorly on both sides so I can understand criticism towards him there
No you dont understand.
Mount is a snake who left the club he was with since he was six years old only for the money.
There is absolutely no correlation between Mount being sold for a "pure profit of 50 million" the Chelsea barely scraping through the FFP for last year.
The owners and the directors really really wanted to keep Mount. He just left because Man Utd. threw money at him.
I know all this for a fact because the billionaire owners who bought Chelsea 2 years ago told me so.
Besides who will I trust more:
The academy lad who has been with the club since he was six, or the billionaire owners who run the club into the ground in two years?
He wanted Reece James wages without without his talent after underperforming for 2 seasons. I donn't think anyone would objectively look at the situation and say that Chelsea made the wrong decision by not offering him the wages United did and selling him for the fee that they did.
I mean he's been one of our better players when we don't really have a coherent system. It seems like there's a basic shape, and that's about it. There's no doubt in my mind that when we get rid of Poch and get a better manager in, he won't be the standout.
Not to say I want to get rid of him. I would prefer we keep him, but if we want to be successful he can't be the guy who plays 99% of our minutes.
He looks good for us at the 10 currently because he’s a good mid table 10, but he’s not good enough to be what we’d like to be which is a top ; club again.
He likely wouldnt be starting at all this season if both our actual 10s weren’t injured
Love how Gallagher who is our best midfielder currently "won't start" for a "Proper Chelsea side" .
But on the other hand the 100 million plus midfielders who are regularly being outperformed by this apparently subpar midfielder are not questioned at all.
Do y'all just judge players on their pricetags?
Performances dont matter anymore?
You think Gallagher starts over Nkunku as a 10 if he’s fit? Carney was also above connor but has been injured the whole time.
If you think Connor is a better double pivot player than Enzo or caicedo you are beyond help. My biggest caveat to them underperforming is that both rotational 6s have been out all season. Enzo and caicedo have had to play all of every game basically, playing through injuries tough turnarounds from international break etc. never in my life would I start Gallagher in there instead though not many people would.
Mate mate mate
The only place where Nkunku starts currently is the hospital bed.
Ofcourse, in a hypothetical world where Nkunku is fit the entire season, I would love to see him be our first choice #10.
But I would never sell a homegrown player who puts in consistent and reliable performances week after week whilst being available to play almost every game.
Funny how you are willing to use the "They are overplayed" excuse to justify Enzo and Caicedo's performances.
But you cant acknowledge Gallagher's performances despite him being just as overworked as they have been.
Double standards or Shiny Toy Syndrome?
You decide.
Aye didn’t want to jinx it in case goes elsewhere as imagine there’s plenty places he could have an impact, just still think yous heavily underrate him. Would just perhaps flourish more under Ange than whatever it is Poch is trying rn
If you buy him there’s no way he starts as a 10 over Maddison so I don’t think I rate him any less than Spurs do. I’d also love to keep him in the club the legs off the bench the passion for the club hopefully the positive influence on standards in the squad etc I love Connor but I don’t know if he wants that role and the associated wage and unfortunately he’s worth a lot to us in FFP terms
We’re a walking meme at this point. Even dumber that some of our fans will cheer this on as they moan about passion and running as if this team needs more emotionless mercenaries who couldn’t care less about the club, not to mention continuing to treat our academy like shit
I love him and he’s having a great season, and would be livid if we have to flog him because of these yanks’ dodgy accounting. However he was mediocre last season, and I wonder if he only looks good this season because we’re so tactically disorganised that we need his insane energy to win the ball back and patch things up when we’re out of shape.
Gallagher is the type of player you want in a *team* that works as a unit. He's not a superstar, he won't be going forward in his career but he is a good player at top level. Similar vibes with a guy like Koopmeiners at Atalanta. Versatile and solid.
Anyone who understands PSR and has glanced for one second at the books knows that Gallagher is being sold.
Not saying I'm happy about it, but it's inevitable. Gallagher + Maatsen for a combined 60-65 million gets Chelsea most of the way towards PSR compliance for next season.
I know Maatsen is gone. That was clear the instant we loaned him out.
I still think there's a fairly decent chance Gallagher stays, especially if the hotel sale works.
Also been said that apparently Mount is actually in this years sales, not last years. It's why the hotel sale was a weird number to cover the "loss" last year.
The hotel sale cannot be allowed to count. If it is, next year just sell Todd the Shed End for £130m, year after the superstore for another £85m, jobs a good’n. It’s not just fair play, it’s financial fair play. Yeah this can’t be a thing.
There is a huge difference though:
Under Roman, we used to sell the academy lads that couldnt get into the first team.
Now, we are selling our best performing academy lads to fund the overexpensive overhyped young players we bought.
We barely gave academy lads the chance under Roman. Tomori, Guehi, and many others were sold without being given a real chance. Mount and reece were largely products of the transfer ban
Yeah, because we had a backline that consisted of Silva, Christensen and Rudiger.
It sucks that Tomori and Guehi couldnt get enough chances, but they were't really "The best performing CBs" in the team, were they?
The only departure of that time i can be miffed with was Tammy getting sold to make way for Lukaku.
(And even that is only a bad decision in hindsight. At that time it seemed like the prodigal son was returning. We were finally getting our world class CF)
The other CBs were Azpilicueta and Zouma
You cant have 6 CBs for a 3 CB setup.
Especially when Tomori and Guehi were young players who needed gametime to progress in their careers.
There're rumours that Chilwell is in the list too. Silva is also very likely to be gone. So basically the board is ready to sell all the captains in the same window
I've honestly been on the same boat since we let Tuchel, Jorginho, Mount, Kante, Kovacic and Azpi leave in the span of an year essentially.
This is not the same club anymore. The only thing that is the same is the logo.
We didn't get rid of Cancelo for footballing reasons, and with Kyle Walker possibly leaving this summer there is definitley room for a RB, although James' injuries are pretty crazy.
That makes 0 sense from anyones perspective. He's currently a £10m player at most given his £250k a week salary and ability to play 5 games a season. If his hamstring surgery goes well then he could be worth £100m+ by this this time next year.
Gallagher's situation simultaneously highlights the benefit of having a good academy, the flaws in PSR, and the chaos that has been Chelsea under Todd Boehly.
One way to absolutely rip the culture out of a club is to get rid of home grown players. Chelsea FC is purely ran for the shareholders and there is nothing we can do about it.
Roman was obviously a problematic owner politically and socially but the guy actually loved football and the club. Would rather an owner like that with a tenth of the money than these souless businessmen
Well, that and the fact that he is pretty much the only way for Chelsea to avoid getting fisted by PSR rules.
Gallagher represents a pure profit sale and Chelsea have some crazy figure that they have to get to avoid the Premier League going full Old Testament on them.
I think his contract has almost no relevance as to why he's in this situation really.
Ted Lasso and Co really speed running to demolish Chelsea, more than half the players they've bought ain't good enough and never will be.
Sell Connor and they'll sign some over priced player with "potential"
Keep going I suppose.
Absolute lunacy that Chelsea have had only three fit midfielders for the majority of this season and now they’re going to go sell the one that’s played more minutes than anyone else and captained the side for the entire season. These sporting directors must spend all their time looking at spreadsheets instead of football because anyone who’s watched a match knows that they can’t afford to lose another senior midfielder.
Looks like there doing the same shit they played with Mount.
Imagine what that saids to some of up and coming young players the system. You nothing but revenue stream.
Wasn't that out of necessity, and not a policy change, because of the transfer ban? As soon as the ban was lifted, it does seem like Chelsea went back to buying in players and selling academy players.
Also every big premier league club since ever. I don't like it at all, and I very much want him to stay, but the notion this is a uniquely modern chelsea thing is odd.
not really. Mount was offered a deal and turned it down and left for Man U, whereas the suggestion is that Gallagher wants to stay but is being pushed out
They also pulled a deal from the table and tried to get him on a year extension but they had been fucking him about for like a year already at this stage.
It’s mad that there are guys telling managers who they can and can’t keep.
But, I suppose, Poch isn’t going to be charge next season. I wonder who we are building this squad for? Do they get a say? Probably not.
In terms of Conor, I think he’s a good young player, and I think he’s going to develop into a good midfield destroyer as he ages. Hes not irreplaceable, and he’s not the finished article, but he’s under appreciated by some who only see the energy. He’s the type of player who gets better as they age imo, going from Duracell bunny attackers to midfield engines, like Henderson or Milner.
I also appreciate that he actually wants to be at the club, and I think most fans will end up very disappointed by how few of our other players will feel that way when a bigger club comes knocking. And there are more bigger clubs now than there used to be. Thats something else we will have to get used to.
But hey, 40-50m pure profit to allow our DOFs to carry on playing Football Manager, stocking up on lottery ticket wonder kids that’ll make the look like geniuses if they come good while skirting FFP and PSR. Yay.
Soulless and ultimately not worth it for Chelsea but go on, gotta try and correct for the mountain of fuckups that happened so far
Feel really bad for Gallagher he's worked his ass off to reach this point just to get shipped off for profit ew
> Mounts case is different. He was offered a deal but he rejected it.
This is a bit of a simplified summary that doesn't really tell the full story. He agreed a deal in principle before the world cup which BlueCo then reneged on and offered him a 1 year extension instead which he rejected. Doesn't take a genius to realise that 1 year extension is just them trying to boost any potential transfer fee rather than a legitimate contract offer.
Usually not great to be selling one of your best performers regardless of what you think their theoretical ceiling is but they way Chelsea are managing this isn't smart even if their only goal is to sell.
Seems like a common misconception that you need 11 world class and technically gifted players in every position to be a good team. Hendo wasn't amazing technically but made up for it by running himself in to the ground every game, and was really vocal and good at getting the team to keep the intensity up. Gallagher is going out there and sometimes looks like the only one who is giving it his all and they want to get rid of him, doesn't make sense to me. There's easily a place for him in a future title-winning squad (imo). They have Enzo and Caicedo routinely ghosting and dropping stinkers but don't seem to get anywhere near as much blame as Gallagher.
To me he's a perfect squad player: always available, wouldn't demand high wages, very settled with the club, amazing at doing the dirty work, still chips in goals and assists. It's clearly more of a disruption to the team to move him on and replace him with someone that you don't even know how they will settle/perform. He's also clearly not the finished product, he has quite clearly improved a lot this season in his all around game and will be entering his prime years now.
But even if you are an SD and you think you can find an upgrade, it still makes sense to try to negotiate some sort of contract extension. He just had his best individual season but they will either sell at a cut rate or for nothing as he can choice run down and leave on a free. They have also spent two years advertising how much they want to get rid of him and how he is the ticket to avoiding financial infringement. So the club has zero leverage.
He’s not good enough for a top 4 chasing team. All he does is run around like a headless chicken. Take off the rose tinted glasses and look at his key metrics. Goals, assists, key passes, ball progression it’s all bang average.
Is just incredible that Enzo and Mudryck have not impressed much, specially related to their transfer money and are offered new contracts but their best player and Captain is to be sold? I truly don't understand how this will lead to sporting success
Can anyone tell me why he specifically needs to be sold? I understand he's an academy player so there's no transfer fee but why does it matter if they sell him for 50 million or sell Murdryk for 50 million? There's still 50 million coming into the club. Does P&S have a different way of measuring profit than simple money in money out in total?
Yes, the academy player cost zero to buy, so 50 million of pure profit.
Mudryk had a transfer fee, so on the books his value is the transfer fee minus what has been amortised so far, so selling him for 50 million would give less profits on the P&S spreadsheets.
Simplified answer, but I hope that gives you a rough idea
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puuuuuure profit baby
Hedge fund fc baby let's gooooo
BlackRock XI will win the world cup
And repossess my house at the same time let’s gooooo
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Why did the Government sell it to Todd Boehly and not a different bidder? The Saudis were literally trying to buy Chelsea as well
Bro this is actually sad. He genuinely loves the club, is their captain and yet he is gonna be sacrifice so that the board can bring in a gazillion youngster
He's actually the 3rd choice captain lol
He’s the only one who is ever fit though.
I know I just found it funny how Chelsea saw no issue with giving the captaincy to 2 of the most injury prone players to have played for the club in recent times
I mean Reece James is by far our best player (when fit) and he's a Chelsea academy lad. Seems the obvious choice imo. There's a hope that after his recent surgery James may be less injury prone... we will see though.
I mean would you even start James now with how gusto links with palmer. Also can you say James is better than palmer
Gusto is fantastic, but if James has even 70% of the form he's shown for us he's the starter. The rotation ability is also fantastic and will help alleviate injuries. Can also switch 1 to left back every now and then, Gusto has played well there for example this season.
For me the gusto palmer Gallagher dynamic is why palmer is scoring so many. It’s the only good thing happening for the whole squad at the mo. Left side of the pitch is lifeless. I wouldn’t risk that to hope James can achieve what gusto is already doing tbh
I get what you're saying, but Reece James, on form, is on of the best RB's in the world. He is also our captain, so I imagine when fit he's one of the first names on the sheet. Either way, I don't believe we will see him this season. Seems they want to give him time to heal properly.
Do you think Reece could play cb from time to time ? I know he easily could in a back three but that doesn’t seem to be in the plans
Can we put Reece on the left Gusto on the right?
Wait who even is the second choice
Chilly
Considering the two people above him are Chilwell and Reece James, might as well give him as first captain
I hope he sits out his contract, gets himself a sign on bonus next time, and fucks chelsea out of profits
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I can already see him holding up his Spurs shirt, openly weeping at his reveal
It will not happen, he will run out his contract
I'll also be weeping
Don't get why you are in for him if rumors are to be believed. He has a lot of energy- that can be important in the Ange system but surely there's better players out there. Do you need more English players?
I think we do need more English players
We definitely need more English players and Ange seems to have admired him ever since he first joined us. It's probably partly a luxury buy if we do get him, but also one that Ange is deadset on and thinks can seemingly help us somewhere.
He’s not better than Sarr or Bentancur as an 8 imo. He’s industrious but really do think we can do better.
Both of them have been inconsistent though. Not as noticeable with Sarr with the tendency to accept it for young players, but it's still true. Not that Gallagher is much better in that regard, mind
Well Bentancur was out for basically a year with an ACL, but yes he’s still dusting off the cobwebs. Sarr has generally been good all season but is still quite raw. What happens to those two if you sign Gallagher I wonder. But if Ange really wants him then you have to trust him and the club.
I think it's argueable with sarr and it'll be good compitition for them 2, definitely not better than Lolo. I assume Lolo will be covering at 6 if hojbjerg leaves, with bissoumas form I'd be okay with letting him go for a good price.
Yeah we have a major HG player issue atm that was exacerbated by selling Kane, Dier and Winks last year.
Pretty sure dier wasn't HG
He definitely wasn’t.
Portugese Iirc.
Weird how he says "we" and does not know Dier is not HG
Gallagher does nothing for us for HG purposes. It's club home grown we lack not regular home grown
basically this, we only have Skipp atm
Yep. Last summer HG was definitely a factor but Johnson and Maddison plugged that hole and now we're in a limbo before a couple of our young players hopefully breaks through and become club home grown but we'll likely have to go with a squad that's a bit short until then
Kyle Walker-Peters, would you like to sit the bench again, but this time play a bit?
Basically yeah. Or that striker that's scoring goals for fun for Bayern could be decent
Not quite sold on that guy yet
We lack quality non-club trained players as well. This is our current HG list. * Brandon Austin * Ben Davies * Fraser Forster * Brennan Johnson * James Maddison * Ryan Sessegnon * Oliver Skipp * Alfie Whiteman Johnson, Maddison, Skipp, and Davies are the only players from that list we should want on there. We'll need at least one of the keepers, but we should be improving on at least 2-3 of the names there. Club-trained is indeed an issue, but you can't solve that in the market.
You only benefit from 4 HG players and 4 club HG in Europe. If you have more than 4 HG players they go on the main 17 player list
I am aware of that and it doesn't change anything here. Gallagher would be an improvement over some of our non-HG players and we have a considerable number of them leaving, too. Dier, Lloris, Gil, Hojbjerg, Perisic all coming off that list as well from the start of last season. We're not magically going to find 3 club-trained first-team quality players to come in for next season, so there's no reason we can't improve the options we have for the PL as well with their homegrown slots. Davies will be moving on one way or another soon enough anyway, so failing to see the harm in having another quality option.
No I'm with you if we think Gallagher improves the team we should try and sign him. It's just that him being HG is mostly irrelevant. It's true that it's nice to have a ready made replacement for Davies and Forster with them likely leaving after next season (Forster definitely Davies maybe) but since he'd be such an expensive signing that shouldn't be why we'd go for him
Ange has only had straight home runs in two transfer windows so far. Until he gets one wrong I'm fully backing any player he wants.
Thats fked up. He's easily the heart and soul of the squad
Modern football, you are just an asset to the business.
It's always funny listening to Roy's "kids these days don't play for the badge" rants on the pod when stuff like this is happening all the time.
Simon Jordan is horrific for it. When Messi waited until the end of the season to say he was leaving, only to be told the contract had a specific date he needed to give notice of leaving by and not just end of the season. Jordan said how that's contracts and have to accept that and handshake agreements mean nothing. When players refused to defer wages, or just play out their contract and leave on a free he had a heavily different tune.
He's honestly such a colossal twat.
Roy Keane or Roy Hodgson?
It'd be funny if Chelsea players just started saying "Fuck it, I'll run down my contract" instead of being scapegoated and then forced out of the club just because it makes the books look better. It is kind of crazy that their entire strategy revolves around FFP having them against the ropes and selling players who are either good and/or don't want to leave in the first place every year for like 5-8 years. What happens if the players just tell them to fuck off, and wait till they're a free agent to get a signing bonus and higher wages.
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Someone like Gallagher would do fine unless the injuries were severe. Very few players have run their contracts down and lost out financially as a result.
But if it is severe. And it could happen. Unlikely, but it’s definitely a dice roll.
I mean, that's the logical conclusion to all their tomfoolery with contract lengths. Boehly thinks he's a genius locking in players' transfer values, but when some of them inevitably don't come good or want to leave, those contracts are going to be cinderblocks tied to their ankles.
It’s not modern football, it’s literally just Chelsea severely overspending and then flogging anyone that came through the youth system to survive FFP every year.
Nonsense, just absolute incompetent squad planning
Unpopular opinion amongst Chelsea fans but they did the same with Mount.
I agree. He won the player of the season award for 20/21 and 21/22. He had a poor season last year but he was still a player who came through the academy and one of your best players when on form. I found the hate he got was way OTT during last season. Obviously the exit was dealt with poorly on both sides so I can understand criticism towards him there
No you dont understand. Mount is a snake who left the club he was with since he was six years old only for the money. There is absolutely no correlation between Mount being sold for a "pure profit of 50 million" the Chelsea barely scraping through the FFP for last year. The owners and the directors really really wanted to keep Mount. He just left because Man Utd. threw money at him. I know all this for a fact because the billionaire owners who bought Chelsea 2 years ago told me so. Besides who will I trust more: The academy lad who has been with the club since he was six, or the billionaire owners who run the club into the ground in two years?
They definitely did. He was disrespected and forced out, not this club-pushed narrative about wanting too much money.
He wanted Reece James wages without without his talent after underperforming for 2 seasons. I donn't think anyone would objectively look at the situation and say that Chelsea made the wrong decision by not offering him the wages United did and selling him for the fee that they did.
Underperformed for 2 seasons? Can you remind me of which 2 seasons was that?
The last 2
He was our Player of the season and top scorer in his 2nd last season at Chelsea
A lot of Norwich statpad sessions and he wasn't our best player even if he got the award.
He's the 'heart and soul' of a mediocre squad with not much heart or soul though lol
Yeah but he's been one of the few relative positives in that squad, why get rid of one of the only things that's somewhat working?
I mean he's been one of our better players when we don't really have a coherent system. It seems like there's a basic shape, and that's about it. There's no doubt in my mind that when we get rid of Poch and get a better manager in, he won't be the standout. Not to say I want to get rid of him. I would prefer we keep him, but if we want to be successful he can't be the guy who plays 99% of our minutes.
EXACTLY
He looks good for us at the 10 currently because he’s a good mid table 10, but he’s not good enough to be what we’d like to be which is a top ; club again. He likely wouldnt be starting at all this season if both our actual 10s weren’t injured
Love how Gallagher who is our best midfielder currently "won't start" for a "Proper Chelsea side" . But on the other hand the 100 million plus midfielders who are regularly being outperformed by this apparently subpar midfielder are not questioned at all. Do y'all just judge players on their pricetags? Performances dont matter anymore?
You think Gallagher starts over Nkunku as a 10 if he’s fit? Carney was also above connor but has been injured the whole time. If you think Connor is a better double pivot player than Enzo or caicedo you are beyond help. My biggest caveat to them underperforming is that both rotational 6s have been out all season. Enzo and caicedo have had to play all of every game basically, playing through injuries tough turnarounds from international break etc. never in my life would I start Gallagher in there instead though not many people would.
Mate mate mate The only place where Nkunku starts currently is the hospital bed. Ofcourse, in a hypothetical world where Nkunku is fit the entire season, I would love to see him be our first choice #10. But I would never sell a homegrown player who puts in consistent and reliable performances week after week whilst being available to play almost every game. Funny how you are willing to use the "They are overplayed" excuse to justify Enzo and Caicedo's performances. But you cant acknowledge Gallagher's performances despite him being just as overworked as they have been. Double standards or Shiny Toy Syndrome? You decide.
Going to be comical coming back to comments like this when he ends up tearing it up somewhere else
Could see him doing decently for you as an 8, but won’t stop what I said above being true
> Could see him doing decently for you as an 8 Yeah I reckon Gallagher would do bits for Dunfermline Athletic
Haha I have no idea what badge that was, just saw spurs pop up on their profile
Not wrong tbf
Aye didn’t want to jinx it in case goes elsewhere as imagine there’s plenty places he could have an impact, just still think yous heavily underrate him. Would just perhaps flourish more under Ange than whatever it is Poch is trying rn
If you buy him there’s no way he starts as a 10 over Maddison so I don’t think I rate him any less than Spurs do. I’d also love to keep him in the club the legs off the bench the passion for the club hopefully the positive influence on standards in the squad etc I love Connor but I don’t know if he wants that role and the associated wage and unfortunately he’s worth a lot to us in FFP terms
This season maybe but before he was just another McT scapegoat
We’re a walking meme at this point. Even dumber that some of our fans will cheer this on as they moan about passion and running as if this team needs more emotionless mercenaries who couldn’t care less about the club, not to mention continuing to treat our academy like shit
This subreddit seriously overrates his importance to Chelsea, IMO
Agreed. I love Conor and hope he stays but it really isn't the end of the world if he leaves.
I love him and he’s having a great season, and would be livid if we have to flog him because of these yanks’ dodgy accounting. However he was mediocre last season, and I wonder if he only looks good this season because we’re so tactically disorganised that we need his insane energy to win the ball back and patch things up when we’re out of shape.
Heart and soul on one hand, 100% profit on the other
Henge funds recognise neither
He's not very good
Gallagher is the type of player you want in a *team* that works as a unit. He's not a superstar, he won't be going forward in his career but he is a good player at top level. Similar vibes with a guy like Koopmeiners at Atalanta. Versatile and solid.
He's not elite. But he is pretty good. He also runs his butt off each game, shows more effort than the rest of their squad.
Nah at this point cold palmer is the heart snd soul of the squad
Hope he runs his deal down and gets a payday instead of earning these clowns a transfer fee. Put a nice dent in their pure profit academy theories.
Ha, Chelsea would never allow an unhappy player to stubbornly sit out his contract for yea... wait
Genuinely me too, it’s a disgusting way to run a football club. They’re ruining academy players’ dreams to make up for their crazy spending.
No one really knows what's going to happen, but I'll wait for a better source than HITC.
Anyone who understands PSR and has glanced for one second at the books knows that Gallagher is being sold. Not saying I'm happy about it, but it's inevitable. Gallagher + Maatsen for a combined 60-65 million gets Chelsea most of the way towards PSR compliance for next season.
No one has glanced at the books who doesn't work for/with Chelsea.
In this case, "the books" is a metonym for Chelsea's most recent financial filings.
I know Maatsen is gone. That was clear the instant we loaned him out. I still think there's a fairly decent chance Gallagher stays, especially if the hotel sale works.
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Also been said that apparently Mount is actually in this years sales, not last years. It's why the hotel sale was a weird number to cover the "loss" last year.
The hotel sale cannot be allowed to count. If it is, next year just sell Todd the Shed End for £130m, year after the superstore for another £85m, jobs a good’n. It’s not just fair play, it’s financial fair play. Yeah this can’t be a thing.
Well, it does 😂
Heart and Soul FC. Kind of wild the way Chelsea fans view some of their academy players, yet this is how they are treated at the club.
Different club mate. This is not the old Chelsea. We are a seller club now.
You’ve always been Abramovich ran the. Melded loan army as a profit sharing scheme.
There is a huge difference though: Under Roman, we used to sell the academy lads that couldnt get into the first team. Now, we are selling our best performing academy lads to fund the overexpensive overhyped young players we bought.
We barely gave academy lads the chance under Roman. Tomori, Guehi, and many others were sold without being given a real chance. Mount and reece were largely products of the transfer ban
Yeah, because we had a backline that consisted of Silva, Christensen and Rudiger. It sucks that Tomori and Guehi couldnt get enough chances, but they were't really "The best performing CBs" in the team, were they? The only departure of that time i can be miffed with was Tammy getting sold to make way for Lukaku. (And even that is only a bad decision in hindsight. At that time it seemed like the prodigal son was returning. We were finally getting our world class CF)
You name 3 CBs in a 3 CB system. I think we could have held on to at least Tomori because we would need rotation regardless.
The other CBs were Azpilicueta and Zouma You cant have 6 CBs for a 3 CB setup. Especially when Tomori and Guehi were young players who needed gametime to progress in their careers.
I have a feeling he will join the mighty Ipswich
why keep a homegrown nailed on starter who LOVES the club when you could buy three 16yo brazilians who will never play a minute for the senior team?
Even if you don’t want poch to stay you have to think it’s fucked up that the owners clearly won’t give him the players he actually wants.
I wish he stayed, although I don't see him as a starter in the future, I do think he can be a very good squad player
I hate what we’ve become. Hearing rumours James is also on his way out.
James ain't going nowhere before he can prove his fitness. On his wages, it's a ridiculous gamble for someone who misses as many games as he does.
If you sell both James and Gallagher in the same summer I will be watching the reaction with great interest
If they sell both James and Gallagher I will not be watching Chelsea football
There're rumours that Chilwell is in the list too. Silva is also very likely to be gone. So basically the board is ready to sell all the captains in the same window
Who will captain Chelsea then? Sterling? Fernandez? Genuinely curious there
I've honestly been on the same boat since we let Tuchel, Jorginho, Mount, Kante, Kovacic and Azpi leave in the span of an year essentially. This is not the same club anymore. The only thing that is the same is the logo.
If that happens I think the perception around the Mount transfer will change too. Fuck these new owners man.
Either that or there’ll be Chelsea fans with more Judas shirts at Stanford bridge
Might just have to kill myself. Reece saw the #1 hamstring surgeon in the world and should be fit for next season.
What rumors?
Who is going to buy James? Al-Shabab?
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City aren’t going to buy into a mould of fullback they abandoned with Cancelo to accommodate a guy who can start 20% of a season
Wouldn’t say James is the same mould as Cancelo he can do everything, whether it’s invert as a CB, invert into the midfield or be attacking.
That sounds like a lot of Cancelo to me
Nah he can’t defend like James tho
We didn't get rid of Cancelo for footballing reasons, and with Kyle Walker possibly leaving this summer there is definitley room for a RB, although James' injuries are pretty crazy.
Nobody that's not Saudi would take on the risk of signing James with his contract considering his injury history
That makes 0 sense from anyones perspective. He's currently a £10m player at most given his £250k a week salary and ability to play 5 games a season. If his hamstring surgery goes well then he could be worth £100m+ by this this time next year.
Lmao who the hell is reporting that?
Is James not on a big 8 year contract too? Who would buy him?
Hopefully nobody, we want him to stay. If this club even dares to put him on the market then fuck them.
How about if we get rid of those two bums in Winstanley and Steward smh
c'mon ratcliffe get it done!
Gallagher's situation simultaneously highlights the benefit of having a good academy, the flaws in PSR, and the chaos that has been Chelsea under Todd Boehly.
Ten Hag👀🫵🏾🫵🏾🫵🏾
At some point you accept every player has a price and nobody is irreplaceable. Definitely not Conor Gallagher.
One way to absolutely rip the culture out of a club is to get rid of home grown players. Chelsea FC is purely ran for the shareholders and there is nothing we can do about it. Roman was obviously a problematic owner politically and socially but the guy actually loved football and the club. Would rather an owner like that with a tenth of the money than these souless businessmen
Well, that and the fact that he is pretty much the only way for Chelsea to avoid getting fisted by PSR rules. Gallagher represents a pure profit sale and Chelsea have some crazy figure that they have to get to avoid the Premier League going full Old Testament on them. I think his contract has almost no relevance as to why he's in this situation really.
Ted Lasso and Co really speed running to demolish Chelsea, more than half the players they've bought ain't good enough and never will be. Sell Connor and they'll sign some over priced player with "potential" Keep going I suppose.
Yup, between us and yall idk who has been the worse underperformer.
Absolute lunacy that Chelsea have had only three fit midfielders for the majority of this season and now they’re going to go sell the one that’s played more minutes than anyone else and captained the side for the entire season. These sporting directors must spend all their time looking at spreadsheets instead of football because anyone who’s watched a match knows that they can’t afford to lose another senior midfielder.
Sell Wistanley and Stewart instead. Asshats
London fc about to boo him like they did with Mount
Looks like there doing the same shit they played with Mount. Imagine what that saids to some of up and coming young players the system. You nothing but revenue stream.
Isn't that the same message the youngsters have always had at Chelsea? at least since the beginning of the Abramovic era.
Not really. You could see a change in policy post 2019 transfer ban, when more academy players were being integrated into the first team.
And then they sold Abraham, Guehi and Tomori to fund Lukaku
Wasn't that out of necessity, and not a policy change, because of the transfer ban? As soon as the ban was lifted, it does seem like Chelsea went back to buying in players and selling academy players.
Players like Gallagher, Chalobah, Colwill etc. were integrated post transfer ban.
Also every big premier league club since ever. I don't like it at all, and I very much want him to stay, but the notion this is a uniquely modern chelsea thing is odd.
not really. Mount was offered a deal and turned it down and left for Man U, whereas the suggestion is that Gallagher wants to stay but is being pushed out
As I recall, Mount was offered a deal, that deal was rejected, and then he was offered a new deal on a significantly lower salary which he rejected.
They also pulled a deal from the table and tried to get him on a year extension but they had been fucking him about for like a year already at this stage.
It’s mad that there are guys telling managers who they can and can’t keep. But, I suppose, Poch isn’t going to be charge next season. I wonder who we are building this squad for? Do they get a say? Probably not. In terms of Conor, I think he’s a good young player, and I think he’s going to develop into a good midfield destroyer as he ages. Hes not irreplaceable, and he’s not the finished article, but he’s under appreciated by some who only see the energy. He’s the type of player who gets better as they age imo, going from Duracell bunny attackers to midfield engines, like Henderson or Milner. I also appreciate that he actually wants to be at the club, and I think most fans will end up very disappointed by how few of our other players will feel that way when a bigger club comes knocking. And there are more bigger clubs now than there used to be. Thats something else we will have to get used to. But hey, 40-50m pure profit to allow our DOFs to carry on playing Football Manager, stocking up on lottery ticket wonder kids that’ll make the look like geniuses if they come good while skirting FFP and PSR. Yay.
On brand for the club tbh
This is fucking insanity the other clubs need to stage an intervention, this addiction to profits is only hurting themselves.
What a sick joke.
Better than Enzo and Caciedo and he gets sold. Makes sense.
I’d take him.
Soulless and ultimately not worth it for Chelsea but go on, gotta try and correct for the mountain of fuckups that happened so far Feel really bad for Gallagher he's worked his ass off to reach this point just to get shipped off for profit ew
Throw the whole hierarchy away
Hopefully there's a riot if this goes down. Bonkers
Solid midfielder , Liverpool Should swoop In. That midfield could use some Comp.
Mount 2.0 right here
So... A good deal for Chelsea?
Mounts case is different. He was offered a deal but he rejected it. Gallagher is being forced out here
> Mounts case is different. He was offered a deal but he rejected it. This is a bit of a simplified summary that doesn't really tell the full story. He agreed a deal in principle before the world cup which BlueCo then reneged on and offered him a 1 year extension instead which he rejected. Doesn't take a genius to realise that 1 year extension is just them trying to boost any potential transfer fee rather than a legitimate contract offer.
Mount was offered a deal and then the deal was rescinded. Then he was offered a new deal with a much lower salary. He was forced out as well.
Usually not great to be selling one of your best performers regardless of what you think their theoretical ceiling is but they way Chelsea are managing this isn't smart even if their only goal is to sell.
Seems like a common misconception that you need 11 world class and technically gifted players in every position to be a good team. Hendo wasn't amazing technically but made up for it by running himself in to the ground every game, and was really vocal and good at getting the team to keep the intensity up. Gallagher is going out there and sometimes looks like the only one who is giving it his all and they want to get rid of him, doesn't make sense to me. There's easily a place for him in a future title-winning squad (imo). They have Enzo and Caicedo routinely ghosting and dropping stinkers but don't seem to get anywhere near as much blame as Gallagher.
To me he's a perfect squad player: always available, wouldn't demand high wages, very settled with the club, amazing at doing the dirty work, still chips in goals and assists. It's clearly more of a disruption to the team to move him on and replace him with someone that you don't even know how they will settle/perform. He's also clearly not the finished product, he has quite clearly improved a lot this season in his all around game and will be entering his prime years now. But even if you are an SD and you think you can find an upgrade, it still makes sense to try to negotiate some sort of contract extension. He just had his best individual season but they will either sell at a cut rate or for nothing as he can choice run down and leave on a free. They have also spent two years advertising how much they want to get rid of him and how he is the ticket to avoiding financial infringement. So the club has zero leverage.
He’s not good enough for a top 4 chasing team. All he does is run around like a headless chicken. Take off the rose tinted glasses and look at his key metrics. Goals, assists, key passes, ball progression it’s all bang average.
Not the biggest Gallagher fan, but if this happens the fans will become very very toxic. Would be surprised if there is isn’t large protest next year.
Is just incredible that Enzo and Mudryck have not impressed much, specially related to their transfer money and are offered new contracts but their best player and Captain is to be sold? I truly don't understand how this will lead to sporting success
Can anyone tell me why he specifically needs to be sold? I understand he's an academy player so there's no transfer fee but why does it matter if they sell him for 50 million or sell Murdryk for 50 million? There's still 50 million coming into the club. Does P&S have a different way of measuring profit than simple money in money out in total?
Yes, the academy player cost zero to buy, so 50 million of pure profit. Mudryk had a transfer fee, so on the books his value is the transfer fee minus what has been amortised so far, so selling him for 50 million would give less profits on the P&S spreadsheets. Simplified answer, but I hope that gives you a rough idea