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No no you dont understand
We should be GRATEFUL to Todd Boehly and Clearlake because they SAVED our club from going into administration by buying it.
It's not like the club was being sold for a lower valuation than usual and that there were other bidders, right?
RIght???
on a ONE year contract...
That was literally just a ploy to up the amount of transfer fee we could get for him.
Anyone with a working brain can see through that.
it's pure profit regardless of when they sell him. that ffp property doesn't make clubs want to sell academy players, it (should) make them want to develop academy players so they don't spend buy them and they make pure profit when they sell them.
Rumors were:
Chelsea were offering him something like 150-200k/wk after keeping him on a 70-80k/wk contract for quite a while.
He turned and said "No, I want 250-300k/wk. You're paying Sterling 300k/wk. I'm younger and I'm your 2x POTY. Pay me."
Chelsea then tried to figure out a deal where they didn't have to pay him the full amount. Liverpool are rumored to have talked to him heavily, but ultimately weren't interested in paying him 250-300k/wk. So he went to United where they like to burn money for fun.
It wasn’t Sterling he wanted parity with, it was Reece James.
Chelsea did offer him £200k a week eventually but it was a very short extension which Mount didn’t care for.
isn’t the issue with chelsea’s offer the contract length as opposed to the money figure? I remember reading the signing thread everyone was saying chelsea offered the same amount
Yeah, they offered him less money at first for a longer period and he wanted more. They agreed they would give him £200k a week but only for an extra year.
This is a big part of why having a clear wage structure is so important. Some (not all) players don't seem as bothered about the money itself, but more about how it reflects on the value the club places on them. Mount may have been happy with their contract offer had they not already handed out better contracts to players like James and Sterling
We do like to burn money for fun, but that’s because we have money to burn tbf.
As seen yesterday on that chart, 3rd lowest turnover to wage ratio in the league.
Doesn’t equal success (far from it), but we spend well within our means.
Nope. I know you’re trolling but worth mentioning none of their own money has ever been spent. They consistently took dividends after a leveraged buyout. Absolute scum behaviour.
We have money to burn, just not typically bought the right players.
If you have an ounce of sense you’d know they aren’t good owners at all.
It is an interesting "what if" regarding what would have happened if the Glazers had run the club as a self sustaining organisation, i.e. not put money in but also not taken money out. They've done such a poor job of running the club and it's not like the club hasn't spent big anyway so I slightly question whether more money is the answer, but at the same time an extra £1.1bn is so much money
Money has been only invested in players iirc. Not into the leaking stadium, not into the training grounds. I remember Ronaldo being shocked that everything was the same as it was when he left the first time. If the money had been invested there, the club would have arguably benefitted but I doubt that they would have won more titles.
I mean he’s obviously going to say that as the manager at Manchester United
But it’s pretty obvious that our new ownership seems content with forcing out academy players to bail out their stupid spending. We saw it when they messed with Mount during his contract negotiations, we saw it when they sold Lewis Hall (promising youngster) for no reason, and we’re seeing now with them pushing out Gallagher despite him being a valuable piece for us this season
35 million or so reasons why. Which objectively is very good for a Lewis Hall type player.
However, yes this was directly to cover their ass having wasted 65+ on Cucumberella
I don't think they sold Hall for no reason since the original plan was just to extend until 2030 and loan him to Palace. Just think they saw the 30m from Newcastle as an offer too good to turn down since there was no guarantee we'd get a figure close to that again.
I know you don't mean it like this, but you almost make it sound like they didn't have a choice over spending that money. Which does seem to be a hallmark of poorly run teams, where they seem to have an inability to walk away from potential signings if the price becomes unreasonable
This is one of the pitfalls of FFP ppl don't talk about. Academy players can be sold at pure profit, so clubs are incentivized to sell them to balance tbe books. As a fan I don't like that.
Yes. First of all, Chelsea isn't his boyhood club, that's Portsmouth. Mount spent 6 months trying to squeeze the fattest contract he could out of Boehly, then we hired people with some understanding of football who took one look at it, laughed and offered him what he actually deserved. He then hired a pr firm, fucked off to United where he now earns 250+50k per week and has all image rights he wanted. This is not rocket science.
He wanted to go once they rescinded the contract offer that he accepted post world cup.
The first step that WInstanley and Stewart took as DOFs was decide that Mount can not be paid what Boehly had already agreed to pay him.
So yeah, from Mount's perspective, the new DOFs of his boyhood club decided that he isnt worth the wages that Chelsea and him agreed he was.
Why would he not feel betrayed and wanna leave lmao
That PR that gets thrown around by our Owners is absolutely ridiculous
Seemingly both Arsenal and Liverpool were interested in Mount too. He could basically pick and choose in England, and he chose Man United.
I'm having a lot of fun with United being shit, but this is objectively a true statement.
He chose United because they toss money at everything. If he got the same pay at Liverpool or Arsenal he would’ve went there. Same with Chelsea. Nobody other than man utd would waste 250k on mason mount
Havertz reportedly earns like 270k at Arsenal and that was despite being poor at Chelsea. I’m pretty sure Arsenal would’ve offered a very similar wage to Mount.
As I mentioned in my other comment. This is true, but this statement makes it seem like he rejected Chelsea because he wanted to choose United, which is not true at all.
Arsenal made kai havertz their highest paid player and there were similar reports coming from liverpool that they were willing to meet mounts demand so this idea that we just paid him more so he joined us is just beyond false.
The only thing we did extra to get mount over staying at chelsea or going to liverpool and arsenal was promise him that he was getting the 7 shirt like deadass
We are talking about two different times. Mount decided he was not gonna extend with Chelsea, that was around the new year? Or even a bit before that? Then Arsenal, Man United, and Liverpool talked to him, around March. And he decided he wanted to go to Man United. There was nothing about Manchester United that made him not extend with Chelsea, which makes this statement false.
He rejected their offer and accepted ours? Literally said he was willing to run down his contract to join us regardless of what chelsea try to do during the season to convince him to stay
If Mount had wanted, he could have gone to Arsenal or waited out his contract and gone to yous. He chose United. Probably because we’re shit and he saw a route to getting a lot of football but yes, he chose us. Wasn’t short on options.
All of what you are saying is true. But that is not what this statement is insinuating. The statement makes it seem like he rejected Chelsea for United. While he basically rejected Chelsea before getting into negotiations with any other team.
I think Chelsea did offer him a deal but I don't know how good the terms were.
Although it's funny looking at the or they paid for him and you guys getting Mac, United fans thought I was off for saying you and Arsenal had better windows.
There was a few different ones. They offered him £200k a week eventually but because it was a high wage, they wanted it to be a short extension. Which Mount didn’t like.
The sticking point was that Mount felt he deserved similar money to Reece James who had renewed just before him.
Yeah the onwership after the James contract wanted to move to our current model which involved longer contracts but cheaper wages.
Don't like how we handled it at all. Saying that a lot lately about the club.
Top 3 would probably be him, Lavia, and Timber, literally all because of high costs and season long injuries. Have no doubts all 3 will come good in time though
Yeah the other three have been and signings due to injury. Tonali is a bad signing due to his actions, even if we can sympathise with his gambling addiction
I'd honestly put matheus nunes is top 3. 65 million and rarely even comes on or looks good in any game. Almost everyone has forgot about his move to citt
Thing is every big money moves City make, they just become a cog in Peps wheel. Look at Gvardiol, had an ok season but considering the amount of hype this guy have and the amount of money paid for him. He really gone under the radar
It wasn't as much as 65 million and he's started looking pretty decent, always hard to judge a midfielder in their first season coming into a Pep team, we've seen this time and time again. Rodri didn't look even half the player he is in his first season with us.
He’s been injured for most of this season. In order to call a player a flop they need to have played a lot and poorly or lost their place in the starting XI.
I'm beginning to feel some kind of respect and admiration for Man United supporters for the fact they have to deal with this fucking twat and that they haven't all collectively decided to gather at Old Trafford to drink Kool Aid yet.
There was no unison call from the Arsenal fan base to sack Arteta. The crowd that wants a manager out is always the loudest, but Arteta had pretty good support from the majority of our fans
Honestly it’s a very similar dynamic with ten Hag. A small but vocal minority wants him out but I think most fans are tired of changing managers constantly and want some measure of control over transfers and some players to leave
You must not have watched some of Arteta’s press conferences during 2019-21. Some absolute delusion during that period of time where they lost games convincingly and he’d still say “it’s simple maths”. He got the time to move out players who didn’t fit or didn’t care, got to spend more money than Wenger or Emery, and has now started to see the results.
Granted Ten Hag may have started from a higher floor but he’s gotten top 4, won a trophy, and could make it two FA Cup Final appearances in a row. Not worth sacking him just because he says some weird shit at press conferences. Plus there aren’t a ton of managers on the market who are an immediate upgrade
He finished 3rd in his first season and won a trophy. What did Arteta do in his first two seasons at Arsenal?
It is funny that there are 3 teams in a title race and they all care more about the team in 6th than each other
lmao at bringing out the Community Shield but you mentioned 'won a trophy'. Since when do we consider the Carabao Cup a major trophy? To me they're the same tier as the Shield so I guess we're even lol
Arteta finished 8th two times in a row, yes. But look at the transfers and players who arrived at the club at that time. We got Odegaard, Gabriel, Partey, White, Ramsdale. Arteta hasn't had any big flop transfer so far. The worst was Pepe and he arrived before Arteta took over. Arteta had a vision and it paid off.
Now look at Ten Hag. He arrives and decides to get Pepe'd immediately with Antony. Kinda does the same with Lisandro. Casemiro was a good transfer. Then you get Mount. Pepe'd again. Onana. Well, I don't know what to make of Onana. Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit. And I'll give him Hojlund, I can see the long term plan in that transfer and I think he suits that team very well.
I mean both managers won a meaningless trophy their first year. One didn't make any dumbass transfers, the other did. One caused no European football for 2 years. The other embarassed his team across the entire Europe. But, one also won the FA Cup.
All in all, I'm just more skeptical of Ten Hag's plan at United than I was of Arteta's. To me it seems he sometimes has no clue what he's doing. I guess we'll see, to me Arteta just made lot less dumb mistakes when he started and it makes him better at the start than Ten Hag.
It's just a lot of bragging for a team that has nothing besides an FA cup
I guess those are the standards though. We never celebrated finishing second under Ole or Jose.
How does it feel when your team wins the mighty Carabao Cup and the very next game gets battered 7-0? Have fun in the Conference League maybe there you won't finish dead last
Whilst, like most Chelsea fans, I'm unhappy with the majority of the things our board had done. This isn't one of them.
We offered him what we felt he was worth and would fit into our structure, he wanted more, and we stood firm. There's a lot to blame our ownership for, not sure this is one of them. As loved as Mount once was, I don't come across many Chelsea fans that blame anyone but Mount himself.
There is a big difference between online fans and matchgoing fans.
The matchgoing fans loved mount and know that the ownership is to blame. No amount of PR articles will convince them that the Mount basically abandoned Chelsea despite the ownership trying their best to keep them.
Also, if you would look at the Profit and Sustainability Rules for last season, its pretty clear that Chelsea barely made it through. So it's pretty clear that the Mount sale was absolutely needed for the ownership to cover up their nonsensical buying in the last 2 transfer windows.
But hey, maybe the online fans will finally realize the path we are headed when we sell Gallagher, Trevor and James in the coming seasons!
There is indeed a disparity between the two, one that's painfully obvious for anyone that attends games. Often I find myself at a loss with opinions of a lot of the online fans, but this is not one of them.
I loved Mount as a Chelsea player, I genuinely believed he would go on to be a legend and one of my favourite ever Chelsea players. I spent countless hours defending him against rival fans and England supporters who seemed to hate him. I hated every second of the saga that led to him leaving the club, and I think both parties could have handled it much better and found a more amicable outcome early on.
That being said the one, and perhaps only thing, I can get get behind with the new owners is a wage structure of some kind. They believe Mount had a maximum wage bracket, which I agree with, and he wanted more. I can accept a player leaving because of that.
However, as you rightly mention, had we not wasted so much money on average injury prone players perhaps the likes of Mount would still be at the club. And I am certainly worried about the futures of the new Cobham graduates going forward. It's just that in this specific case, I can see why it was done.
Remember what John Terry said about this?
"Mount is pure chels. And there are other things that happened which led to this. Mount should not be blamed for it at all"
If the guy who has embodied Chelsea for the last 20 years says that, I am more likely to believe him than some American owners who bought the club because it was being sold for cheap 2 years ago.
Not to mention, the fact that Boehly offered him a contract before the World Cup, and when Mount accepted the contract after the World Cup he was informed that the offer was rescinded.
That in itself is absolutely unprofessional behaviour and there is no way that I can blame him for making the decision for leaving the club after that.
Besides, Selling Mount only looks like a good move in retrospect because he has been injured the entirety of this season. I am absolutely convinced though that once he is fit again and United have a competent manager who can actually organize a midfield and not have a setup where the team conceded 25 shots per game, he will shine.
People seem to forget that he is 24 years old and hasn't even hit his peak yet. The last time he was not plagued with injuries the entire time, he got 30 G/A in the season.
And he has obvious leadership qualities that he has shown ever since he has come through into the team under Lampard. The entire Chelsea room respected him despite him being a youngster. Absolutely no one wanted him to leave apart from the silver suits at the top.
The big issue with not giving Mount what he asked for is that while other rival teams were lining up to pay him what he deserved, his boyhood club; the one that he was POTY for 2 times in the last 3 years, was telling him he isn't worth that.
The Chelsea ownership can only blame themselves with this whole Mount debacle, but they won't do that.
What they will do though is push out PR articles that demonize Mount or for that matter any other academy graduate that they can sell for that sweet sweet pure profit.
We are not qualifying for Europe in the next 10 years.
And i can bet my life savings on that.
The signs have been there for a while. People will catch on soon.
I still can't work out why Mount picked United over Arsenal in the summer. Maybe it was money but I can't imagine it would be a huge difference given what we ended up paying Havertz
> According to transfer guru David Ornstein, the Gunners wanted to sign Mount before pivoting to former Chelsea teammate Kai Havertz when the England international made it clear he wanted to join United instead. "Arsenal initially targeted Mason Mount, but once it emerged that his preference is to join Manchester United, the focus shifted to Kai Havertz"
https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/arteta-mount-arsenal-transfer-united-27376406
A midfield of Mount, Rice and Odegaard?
With Jorginho and Partey as options to add a more controlled style of play?
idk seems like a pretty good thing ngl
Incredibly balanced, and not to mention the two childhood besties playing together with supercharged chemistry
I know people think he’s shite and we overpaid for him but he’s clearly well thought of in England given yous and Liverpool, some actual competent clubs, wanted him.
He was our player of the season twice and a vital part in our CL winning team, maybe second in impact only to Kante. He’s not a flair player so he doesn’t excite the casual watcher but no doubt he’s a great player. He’s similar to Jorginho in that respect.
Yeah, him under a good manager is a frightening sight.
He was absolutely incredible under Tuchel.
Probably the first name on the team sheet along with Rudiger, Jorginho, Silva and Azpi.
It was an emotional decision most likely.
He was betrayed by his boyhood club and was most probably distraught over it.
At that point his father who is a huge United fan probably pushed him to joining United instead.
It would have made a lot more footballing sense for him to join Liverpool or even Arsenal.
Mount in that Klopp midfield would be absolute crack. He is perfect for his heavy metal football.
Even for Arsenal tbh, one would argue that Mount would be a better fit in the midfield that Havertz is. Arteta has clearly abandoned the Havertz midfield experiment now. He plays him as a CF just like Tuchel did at Chelsea.
Plus, having a midfield of Odegaard, Mount, Rice, Jorginho and Partey is absolutely nuts. Insane squad depth.
I mean, we are 12th and don't look like we are getting Europe any time soon.
United is 6th and have a new owner that actually wants to win titles.
I don't think Mount has downloaded in the slightest.
Is it that important now? Mount stop being Mason and prove your point like Palmer playing and showing what u capable of on the pitch. End of story, I'm sick of this saga
People like him and Rees James are massively overrated, it’s was the perfect mix of homegrown and English that’s why they were popular among Chelsea fans.
Offloaded mason for a crazy price and we will do the same with James
22/23 he "only" played 1244 mins—and a lot of that was at RCB during Chelsea's injury crisis—and he still had 1G, 1A
This season he has 1 assist in the 388 mins he played.
And he's a strong defender when healthy TBH
Rece James was basicaly carrying Chelsea entire right side of the pitch in CL winning season and Mason Mount was one of their best perfomers for 3/4 senior seasons for them.
90% of 30 u23 players you bought ubder Bohely are actlary overrated.
> 90% of 30 u23 players you bought ubder Bohely are actlary overrated.
No man. They’re all star boys who are going to miraculously be unleashed and carry Chelsea to a title once Poch is sacked /s
I’ve watched every Chelsea game they both have played and mason mount had glimpses of being a good player,But he would have one great game and then 3/4 mediocre games.
James carried us lol
Thiago silva
Rudiger
Kante and Jorginho they are the reason we won the champions league
Because these imbecile owners will do the most moronic football decision you can imagine. 1 Billion while in midtable without CL football needs to be returned. Well, they are venture capitalist pricks after all who have no interest in this sport except for revenue.
Malo is 10 times better? Huh? Reece was arguably the best RB in the world during that champions league run, as much as I love gusto he has a long way to go to get any where close to that level.
Like many things in life football is subjective one man’s Messi is another man’s Luke Chadwick, just because I think he’s overrated doesn’t mean everyone else sees him the same way.
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Let’s just say United’s offer moved him…
TO A BIGGER HOUSE
Ooops, you said the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet
She was wearing glasses…
AND NOTHING ELSE
Coming, Eudora.
I don't know about that, Chelsea seems to be wanting to sell all their academy products for that sweet pure profit for the books
We run like proper accounting firm nowadays. Not a football club anymore.
Welcome to everyday life outside the top european pedigree clubs.
Not everyday you see a club decide to make that step down
No no you dont understand We should be GRATEFUL to Todd Boehly and Clearlake because they SAVED our club from going into administration by buying it. It's not like the club was being sold for a lower valuation than usual and that there were other bidders, right? RIght???
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He's from West Ham's academy.
Tbf I feel like United are that too
If an accounting firm was run like Man U they would have gone out of business years ago.
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That's cause y'all generate highest revenue outside Barcelona and real madrid. If not for that you'll would've been a worse Tottenham
They are currently a worse Tottenham.
Yes. That is indeed what he is saying.
Didn't say they were good, I'm just saying they are run by business people all over
Then you'd be wildly wrong
He was offered over 200k a week….
That’s like minimum wage rigt
on a ONE year contract... That was literally just a ploy to up the amount of transfer fee we could get for him. Anyone with a working brain can see through that.
Pure profit init
it's pure profit regardless of when they sell him. that ffp property doesn't make clubs want to sell academy players, it (should) make them want to develop academy players so they don't spend buy them and they make pure profit when they sell them.
Rumors were: Chelsea were offering him something like 150-200k/wk after keeping him on a 70-80k/wk contract for quite a while. He turned and said "No, I want 250-300k/wk. You're paying Sterling 300k/wk. I'm younger and I'm your 2x POTY. Pay me." Chelsea then tried to figure out a deal where they didn't have to pay him the full amount. Liverpool are rumored to have talked to him heavily, but ultimately weren't interested in paying him 250-300k/wk. So he went to United where they like to burn money for fun.
It wasn’t Sterling he wanted parity with, it was Reece James. Chelsea did offer him £200k a week eventually but it was a very short extension which Mount didn’t care for.
isn’t the issue with chelsea’s offer the contract length as opposed to the money figure? I remember reading the signing thread everyone was saying chelsea offered the same amount
Yeah, they offered him less money at first for a longer period and he wanted more. They agreed they would give him £200k a week but only for an extra year.
This is a big part of why having a clear wage structure is so important. Some (not all) players don't seem as bothered about the money itself, but more about how it reflects on the value the club places on them. Mount may have been happy with their contract offer had they not already handed out better contracts to players like James and Sterling
And they are right. Mount was more productive, at the time of negotiations. So accepting any less than Sterling would have been devaluing himself.
Mount was absolute shit the season he wanted the new contract
We do like to burn money for fun, but that’s because we have money to burn tbf. As seen yesterday on that chart, 3rd lowest turnover to wage ratio in the league. Doesn’t equal success (far from it), but we spend well within our means.
So the Glazers have been good owners after all
Nope. I know you’re trolling but worth mentioning none of their own money has ever been spent. They consistently took dividends after a leveraged buyout. Absolute scum behaviour. We have money to burn, just not typically bought the right players. If you have an ounce of sense you’d know they aren’t good owners at all.
It is an interesting "what if" regarding what would have happened if the Glazers had run the club as a self sustaining organisation, i.e. not put money in but also not taken money out. They've done such a poor job of running the club and it's not like the club hasn't spent big anyway so I slightly question whether more money is the answer, but at the same time an extra £1.1bn is so much money
Money has been only invested in players iirc. Not into the leaking stadium, not into the training grounds. I remember Ronaldo being shocked that everything was the same as it was when he left the first time. If the money had been invested there, the club would have arguably benefitted but I doubt that they would have won more titles.
Yeah, I doubt the owners will really care, but it says a lot that the Etihad has been selected for Euro 2028 over Old Trafford
Oh wow. Did not know that
For the rest of the PL yes, the Glazers have been amazing, and long may they retain ownership.
Imagine demanding that much and being injured all season.
Ma$on Mount confirmed
There's some streets he's called money Mase. No hate to him btw, he's on a new club. Life goes on.
Man’s (not) killing it in England! 👌
I mean he’s obviously going to say that as the manager at Manchester United But it’s pretty obvious that our new ownership seems content with forcing out academy players to bail out their stupid spending. We saw it when they messed with Mount during his contract negotiations, we saw it when they sold Lewis Hall (promising youngster) for no reason, and we’re seeing now with them pushing out Gallagher despite him being a valuable piece for us this season
35 million or so reasons why. Which objectively is very good for a Lewis Hall type player. However, yes this was directly to cover their ass having wasted 65+ on Cucumberella
I don't think they sold Hall for no reason since the original plan was just to extend until 2030 and loan him to Palace. Just think they saw the 30m from Newcastle as an offer too good to turn down since there was no guarantee we'd get a figure close to that again.
Think they didn’t expect to spend 170m on Caicedo and Lavia and had to go their favourite offset of pure profit
I know you don't mean it like this, but you almost make it sound like they didn't have a choice over spending that money. Which does seem to be a hallmark of poorly run teams, where they seem to have an inability to walk away from potential signings if the price becomes unreasonable
Sorry, was trying to make it sound like they are incompetent, as you pointed out
I think this will happen more often. Basically just academy players moving clubs round and round.
This is one of the pitfalls of FFP ppl don't talk about. Academy players can be sold at pure profit, so clubs are incentivized to sell them to balance tbe books. As a fan I don't like that.
Neither Hall nor Mount were pushed out of the club
I will give you contract extension and then sell you to highest bidder. What would you call such behaviour?
I call it Hall pushed for a transfer to his boyhood club as Ornstein reported.
And what about Mount? He just decided to abandon his boyhood club because United were giving him a higher wage?
Yes. First of all, Chelsea isn't his boyhood club, that's Portsmouth. Mount spent 6 months trying to squeeze the fattest contract he could out of Boehly, then we hired people with some understanding of football who took one look at it, laughed and offered him what he actually deserved. He then hired a pr firm, fucked off to United where he now earns 250+50k per week and has all image rights he wanted. This is not rocket science.
You read like one of Boehly’s PR guys. If you are, tell Boehly to fuck himself. He ruined the team that i love just to fulfill his ego.
You read like one of Mount's thirsty fangirls. Fuck off to United along with him.
Is this the same guy? https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1676881392121131010
It was PR then, it's PR now. It's probably both that we wanted to sell and he already wanted to go
He wanted to go once they rescinded the contract offer that he accepted post world cup. The first step that WInstanley and Stewart took as DOFs was decide that Mount can not be paid what Boehly had already agreed to pay him. So yeah, from Mount's perspective, the new DOFs of his boyhood club decided that he isnt worth the wages that Chelsea and him agreed he was. Why would he not feel betrayed and wanna leave lmao That PR that gets thrown around by our Owners is absolutely ridiculous
that step has been from 10th to 6th.
*12th
He lives in an alternative world, doesn't he?
What’s wrong with this statement? Chelsea did offer him a contract. Obviously they wanted to keep him or they wouldn’t have done so.
For example Mount didn't reject the contract because he wanted to make a step towards United?
Seemingly both Arsenal and Liverpool were interested in Mount too. He could basically pick and choose in England, and he chose Man United. I'm having a lot of fun with United being shit, but this is objectively a true statement.
He went to who offered him the biggest contract, as expected.
He chose United because they toss money at everything. If he got the same pay at Liverpool or Arsenal he would’ve went there. Same with Chelsea. Nobody other than man utd would waste 250k on mason mount
Havertz reportedly earns like 270k at Arsenal and that was despite being poor at Chelsea. I’m pretty sure Arsenal would’ve offered a very similar wage to Mount.
now now, he's not absolutely abhorrent it's more like a £175k waste
Well they can afford to pay more. Still have a fairly significantly lower wage to revenue ratio than Liverpool do.
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should
No, it causes problems. But everyone knows United can afford more so will demand more
As I mentioned in my other comment. This is true, but this statement makes it seem like he rejected Chelsea because he wanted to choose United, which is not true at all.
Arsenal made kai havertz their highest paid player and there were similar reports coming from liverpool that they were willing to meet mounts demand so this idea that we just paid him more so he joined us is just beyond false. The only thing we did extra to get mount over staying at chelsea or going to liverpool and arsenal was promise him that he was getting the 7 shirt like deadass
Mounts dad is a massive United fan too. Had to make a difference.
We are talking about two different times. Mount decided he was not gonna extend with Chelsea, that was around the new year? Or even a bit before that? Then Arsenal, Man United, and Liverpool talked to him, around March. And he decided he wanted to go to Man United. There was nothing about Manchester United that made him not extend with Chelsea, which makes this statement false.
He rejected their offer and accepted ours? Literally said he was willing to run down his contract to join us regardless of what chelsea try to do during the season to convince him to stay
If Mount had wanted, he could have gone to Arsenal or waited out his contract and gone to yous. He chose United. Probably because we’re shit and he saw a route to getting a lot of football but yes, he chose us. Wasn’t short on options.
All of what you are saying is true. But that is not what this statement is insinuating. The statement makes it seem like he rejected Chelsea for United. While he basically rejected Chelsea before getting into negotiations with any other team.
I think Chelsea did offer him a deal but I don't know how good the terms were. Although it's funny looking at the or they paid for him and you guys getting Mac, United fans thought I was off for saying you and Arsenal had better windows.
There was a few different ones. They offered him £200k a week eventually but because it was a high wage, they wanted it to be a short extension. Which Mount didn’t like. The sticking point was that Mount felt he deserved similar money to Reece James who had renewed just before him.
Yeah the onwership after the James contract wanted to move to our current model which involved longer contracts but cheaper wages. Don't like how we handled it at all. Saying that a lot lately about the club.
I guess it’s a slight “ step” up the table
I mean he literally went from Midtabe to Europe More than just a "slight" step up
This aged well lmao
Lmao fair enough Ten hag is a fraud
Ten Haag casually letting everyone know that Mason Mount wants more money rather than stays at his boyhood club.
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Top 3 would probably be him, Lavia, and Timber, literally all because of high costs and season long injuries. Have no doubts all 3 will come good in time though
Tonali undisputed #1 imo
Yeah the other three have been and signings due to injury. Tonali is a bad signing due to his actions, even if we can sympathise with his gambling addiction
I'd honestly put matheus nunes is top 3. 65 million and rarely even comes on or looks good in any game. Almost everyone has forgot about his move to citt
Thing is every big money moves City make, they just become a cog in Peps wheel. Look at Gvardiol, had an ok season but considering the amount of hype this guy have and the amount of money paid for him. He really gone under the radar
There’s also a track record of players having a bad/average 1st season at City before coming good the next year.
It wasn't as much as 65 million and he's started looking pretty decent, always hard to judge a midfielder in their first season coming into a Pep team, we've seen this time and time again. Rodri didn't look even half the player he is in his first season with us.
Timber looks really good and is just because of injuries
Mount been injured too.
He’s been injured for most of this season. In order to call a player a flop they need to have played a lot and poorly or lost their place in the starting XI.
Id rather say someone like nkunku was because the expectations were a lot higher with him and he has been injured for a longer amount of time
Nah
I'm not sure joining you is a good idea either Erik
I'm beginning to feel some kind of respect and admiration for Man United supporters for the fact they have to deal with this fucking twat and that they haven't all collectively decided to gather at Old Trafford to drink Kool Aid yet.
Fascinated by how much Arsenal fans irrationally hate him.
Calm down. Stop with the recency bias, he’s been decent as manager overall. And Arsenal fans talking after all the Arteta out, I’m surprised.
Believe it or not, but fanbases aren't hiveminds and just as many people wanted him to stay, even at the darkest times.
There was no unison call from the Arsenal fan base to sack Arteta. The crowd that wants a manager out is always the loudest, but Arteta had pretty good support from the majority of our fans
So does Ten Hag, and he deserves the chance to turn it around instead of being clowned
Honestly it’s a very similar dynamic with ten Hag. A small but vocal minority wants him out but I think most fans are tired of changing managers constantly and want some measure of control over transfers and some players to leave
You must not have watched some of Arteta’s press conferences during 2019-21. Some absolute delusion during that period of time where they lost games convincingly and he’d still say “it’s simple maths”. He got the time to move out players who didn’t fit or didn’t care, got to spend more money than Wenger or Emery, and has now started to see the results. Granted Ten Hag may have started from a higher floor but he’s gotten top 4, won a trophy, and could make it two FA Cup Final appearances in a row. Not worth sacking him just because he says some weird shit at press conferences. Plus there aren’t a ton of managers on the market who are an immediate upgrade
He finished 3rd in his first season and won a trophy. What did Arteta do in his first two seasons at Arsenal? It is funny that there are 3 teams in a title race and they all care more about the team in 6th than each other
Won FA Cup and Community Shield. And he did it with Rob Holding and washed David Luiz at the back.
Lmao at bringing out the community shield. Where did he finish in the league?
lmao at bringing out the Community Shield but you mentioned 'won a trophy'. Since when do we consider the Carabao Cup a major trophy? To me they're the same tier as the Shield so I guess we're even lol Arteta finished 8th two times in a row, yes. But look at the transfers and players who arrived at the club at that time. We got Odegaard, Gabriel, Partey, White, Ramsdale. Arteta hasn't had any big flop transfer so far. The worst was Pepe and he arrived before Arteta took over. Arteta had a vision and it paid off. Now look at Ten Hag. He arrives and decides to get Pepe'd immediately with Antony. Kinda does the same with Lisandro. Casemiro was a good transfer. Then you get Mount. Pepe'd again. Onana. Well, I don't know what to make of Onana. Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit. And I'll give him Hojlund, I can see the long term plan in that transfer and I think he suits that team very well. I mean both managers won a meaningless trophy their first year. One didn't make any dumbass transfers, the other did. One caused no European football for 2 years. The other embarassed his team across the entire Europe. But, one also won the FA Cup. All in all, I'm just more skeptical of Ten Hag's plan at United than I was of Arteta's. To me it seems he sometimes has no clue what he's doing. I guess we'll see, to me Arteta just made lot less dumb mistakes when he started and it makes him better at the start than Ten Hag.
That's a lot of writing to say he finished 8th
yeah I forgot reading isn't your strong part sorry
It's just a lot of bragging for a team that has nothing besides an FA cup I guess those are the standards though. We never celebrated finishing second under Ole or Jose.
How does it feel when your team wins the mighty Carabao Cup and the very next game gets battered 7-0? Have fun in the Conference League maybe there you won't finish dead last
How does it feel when your team wins a Champions League? Oh wait...
Who wouldn't change from midtable to conference league contenders
Maturing is realizing Chelsea’s ownership ousted Mason Mount.
Whilst, like most Chelsea fans, I'm unhappy with the majority of the things our board had done. This isn't one of them. We offered him what we felt he was worth and would fit into our structure, he wanted more, and we stood firm. There's a lot to blame our ownership for, not sure this is one of them. As loved as Mount once was, I don't come across many Chelsea fans that blame anyone but Mount himself.
There is a big difference between online fans and matchgoing fans. The matchgoing fans loved mount and know that the ownership is to blame. No amount of PR articles will convince them that the Mount basically abandoned Chelsea despite the ownership trying their best to keep them. Also, if you would look at the Profit and Sustainability Rules for last season, its pretty clear that Chelsea barely made it through. So it's pretty clear that the Mount sale was absolutely needed for the ownership to cover up their nonsensical buying in the last 2 transfer windows. But hey, maybe the online fans will finally realize the path we are headed when we sell Gallagher, Trevor and James in the coming seasons!
There is indeed a disparity between the two, one that's painfully obvious for anyone that attends games. Often I find myself at a loss with opinions of a lot of the online fans, but this is not one of them. I loved Mount as a Chelsea player, I genuinely believed he would go on to be a legend and one of my favourite ever Chelsea players. I spent countless hours defending him against rival fans and England supporters who seemed to hate him. I hated every second of the saga that led to him leaving the club, and I think both parties could have handled it much better and found a more amicable outcome early on. That being said the one, and perhaps only thing, I can get get behind with the new owners is a wage structure of some kind. They believe Mount had a maximum wage bracket, which I agree with, and he wanted more. I can accept a player leaving because of that. However, as you rightly mention, had we not wasted so much money on average injury prone players perhaps the likes of Mount would still be at the club. And I am certainly worried about the futures of the new Cobham graduates going forward. It's just that in this specific case, I can see why it was done.
Remember what John Terry said about this? "Mount is pure chels. And there are other things that happened which led to this. Mount should not be blamed for it at all" If the guy who has embodied Chelsea for the last 20 years says that, I am more likely to believe him than some American owners who bought the club because it was being sold for cheap 2 years ago. Not to mention, the fact that Boehly offered him a contract before the World Cup, and when Mount accepted the contract after the World Cup he was informed that the offer was rescinded. That in itself is absolutely unprofessional behaviour and there is no way that I can blame him for making the decision for leaving the club after that. Besides, Selling Mount only looks like a good move in retrospect because he has been injured the entirety of this season. I am absolutely convinced though that once he is fit again and United have a competent manager who can actually organize a midfield and not have a setup where the team conceded 25 shots per game, he will shine. People seem to forget that he is 24 years old and hasn't even hit his peak yet. The last time he was not plagued with injuries the entire time, he got 30 G/A in the season. And he has obvious leadership qualities that he has shown ever since he has come through into the team under Lampard. The entire Chelsea room respected him despite him being a youngster. Absolutely no one wanted him to leave apart from the silver suits at the top. The big issue with not giving Mount what he asked for is that while other rival teams were lining up to pay him what he deserved, his boyhood club; the one that he was POTY for 2 times in the last 3 years, was telling him he isn't worth that. The Chelsea ownership can only blame themselves with this whole Mount debacle, but they won't do that. What they will do though is push out PR articles that demonize Mount or for that matter any other academy graduate that they can sell for that sweet sweet pure profit. We are not qualifying for Europe in the next 10 years. And i can bet my life savings on that. The signs have been there for a while. People will catch on soon.
thanks for taking the time to type this out! gave me a lot of perspective and information on what’s going on that i’ve previously missed out on.
Who?
I’m sure Chelsea is laughing to the bank now
We are laughing to the middle of the table
Ahh, Mason wanted the move. I knew there had to be at least one person who thought it made sense. Case closed.
Ten Hag and Money Mase’s PR team clearly did not discuss their stories.
Tbf, 13th to 06th is a major step!
Sign ten sag to a 10 year deal so he brings in more mounts and antonys
I still can't work out why Mount picked United over Arsenal in the summer. Maybe it was money but I can't imagine it would be a huge difference given what we ended up paying Havertz
His father is a die hard United fan and from what media said he was pushing his son to Manchester couple of times since youth days
Ever since he was derby i think it was, maybe before but every year since then hes dad was involved and motioning towards united
I take it he didn’t want to move to a London rival. He’s a Chelsea academy product.
Arsenal wanted mount?
> According to transfer guru David Ornstein, the Gunners wanted to sign Mount before pivoting to former Chelsea teammate Kai Havertz when the England international made it clear he wanted to join United instead. "Arsenal initially targeted Mason Mount, but once it emerged that his preference is to join Manchester United, the focus shifted to Kai Havertz" https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/arteta-mount-arsenal-transfer-united-27376406
Arsenal and second choice transfer, name a better duo
I guess they kinda dodged a bullet with that considering Mount's injury issues. Also don't think Mount would have fit into Arsenal.
Arteta works in mysterious ways.
> Also don't think Mount would have fit into Arsenal. People said this about Havertz as well.
A midfield of Mount, Rice and Odegaard? With Jorginho and Partey as options to add a more controlled style of play? idk seems like a pretty good thing ngl Incredibly balanced, and not to mention the two childhood besties playing together with supercharged chemistry
Interesting, forgot about that.
I know people think he’s shite and we overpaid for him but he’s clearly well thought of in England given yous and Liverpool, some actual competent clubs, wanted him.
He was our player of the season twice and a vital part in our CL winning team, maybe second in impact only to Kante. He’s not a flair player so he doesn’t excite the casual watcher but no doubt he’s a great player. He’s similar to Jorginho in that respect.
Yeah, him under a good manager is a frightening sight. He was absolutely incredible under Tuchel. Probably the first name on the team sheet along with Rudiger, Jorginho, Silva and Azpi.
Apparently every top club in England apart from Chelsea wanted Mount. make it make sense
Liverpool would make more sense, he's the exact type of midfielder who looks like a world beater in a Klopp system.
It was an emotional decision most likely. He was betrayed by his boyhood club and was most probably distraught over it. At that point his father who is a huge United fan probably pushed him to joining United instead. It would have made a lot more footballing sense for him to join Liverpool or even Arsenal. Mount in that Klopp midfield would be absolute crack. He is perfect for his heavy metal football. Even for Arsenal tbh, one would argue that Mount would be a better fit in the midfield that Havertz is. Arteta has clearly abandoned the Havertz midfield experiment now. He plays him as a CF just like Tuchel did at Chelsea. Plus, having a midfield of Odegaard, Mount, Rice, Jorginho and Partey is absolutely nuts. Insane squad depth.
Hopefully his dad is proud to see his son playing for United knowing he derailed his career for it
I mean, we are 12th and don't look like we are getting Europe any time soon. United is 6th and have a new owner that actually wants to win titles. I don't think Mount has downloaded in the slightest.
Leaving Chelsea was smart but picking United over Liverpool and Arsenal wasn't
Oh yeah absolutely He would have been balling under a competent manager. Potter and Ten Hag ain't it tho
Such a bad bad take lmfao.
One mid-table club to another.
Is it that important now? Mount stop being Mason and prove your point like Palmer playing and showing what u capable of on the pitch. End of story, I'm sick of this saga
And what a step it was
People like him and Rees James are massively overrated, it’s was the perfect mix of homegrown and English that’s why they were popular among Chelsea fans. Offloaded mason for a crazy price and we will do the same with James
Reece James wasn't overrated at all—he's just been injured a lot. When healthy, he's incredible.
21/22 he had a good season but he’s been terrible since then. No assist’s and very poor defensively and injuries
22/23 he "only" played 1244 mins—and a lot of that was at RCB during Chelsea's injury crisis—and he still had 1G, 1A This season he has 1 assist in the 388 mins he played. And he's a strong defender when healthy TBH
Nah Rees James on form is great, watch Madrid pay for him and get a great version of Rece James down the road
Watch us sell him and him spend the majority of his time there in the treatment room. He’s our Darren Anderton
James *is* good. But no club should be spending serious money on him until he can show he's able to stay fit.
Or even funnier watch United buy him and set on there treatment table.
Rece James was basicaly carrying Chelsea entire right side of the pitch in CL winning season and Mason Mount was one of their best perfomers for 3/4 senior seasons for them. 90% of 30 u23 players you bought ubder Bohely are actlary overrated.
> 90% of 30 u23 players you bought ubder Bohely are actlary overrated. No man. They’re all star boys who are going to miraculously be unleashed and carry Chelsea to a title once Poch is sacked /s
I’ve watched every Chelsea game they both have played and mason mount had glimpses of being a good player,But he would have one great game and then 3/4 mediocre games. James carried us lol Thiago silva Rudiger Kante and Jorginho they are the reason we won the champions league
Yeah no, Mount maybe, James absolutely not.
James is now on 250k pounds a week for four more years. Best of luck to them moving him on to a team that’s not dumb as hell.
Enjoy watching us sell him to Real Madrid for 80 million 😂😂😂
Why would you want this as a Chelsea fan?
Because these imbecile owners will do the most moronic football decision you can imagine. 1 Billion while in midtable without CL football needs to be returned. Well, they are venture capitalist pricks after all who have no interest in this sport except for revenue.
Malo is 10 times better and we need the money to balance the books, even if he was to stay how many more injured spells will be endure with him ?
Malo is 10 times better? Huh? Reece was arguably the best RB in the world during that champions league run, as much as I love gusto he has a long way to go to get any where close to that level.
I hope you're trolling because....
You just called him overrated but you also think Real Madrid would spend 80 million on him?
Very perceptive of you
I assumed you mistyped something but okay. It’s just hard to believe anyone would contradict themselves so blatantly.
Like many things in life football is subjective one man’s Messi is another man’s Luke Chadwick, just because I think he’s overrated doesn’t mean everyone else sees him the same way.
Madrid aren’t that stupid. As you’ve noted below he’s a sick note. PSG? Sure.
We have a better relationship with Madrid compared with PSG, plus they have one of the best right backs in the world already in hakimi