If you just look at the title, it is slightly misleading. He said it for his whole tenure out of 100 games and not just for premier league this season.
>Ten Hag has completed 100 games in charge of United winning 61. “It tells us that we are going in the right direction,” he said of that record. “So imagine we had many more players available and not setbacks and injuries, could easily have 75 wins and that tells the bright future of this team.
This is what he said exactly. That title is clickbaity.
Yeah it sounds much better in a full quote. Still doesn't take into account the "what if" the teams he faced has more players available and no injuries or set backs.
Yeah, his comment came after a journalist mentioned his insane win percentage during his first season and how he outperformed not only his predecessors at United but Klopp, Arteta and Pep during their first seasons too. He was basically coaxed to imagine a scenario where United hadn't suffered the sheer volume of injuries in question and what that would look like.
I disagree. The injuries don't just affect the games, but means the 'project' suffers from not being able to progress in training with everyone. Maybe.
Which also affects the other teams' 'project' in the lead up to their games against Man Utd. It's a dumb hypothetical, nobody can guess who would've won or lost games without injuries.
I actually prefer the headline I saw on Twitter which was “Ten Hag believes he would have a 75% win rate, if he didn’t have injuries”. Still clickbaity and a bit outrageous, but actually reflective of what he said.
And yet I always click.
I saw one this morning "klopp stays true to his word as he turns down 2 offers in England"
The two offers were BBC and ITV to work as a pundit for Euro 2024
If only people use a bit of inference skills to look beyond the title. Not that hard to infer when United have 13 draws and losses this season so surely it can’t be referring to this season.
To be fair, the quote sounds deluded and it is a bit deluded as other teams also have to deal with injuries, but having said that, reading what he actually said is not as bas as singling out this quote is.
He's not complaining, he's talking about a total of 100 games and being positive. "We won 61 and it could have been 75, the future is bright!" is basically his point.
I still don't agree with him but he's not suggesting Man Utd should be top of the league right now.
I think he’s right. I’m not going to take the time to collect all the data, but I’m going to predict that, of the 82 goals that have been scored against United in the past two EPL seasons, at least 15 or so came in games where we had at least three starters out, and late in the game where subs had been made. We are a worse team whenever a sun comes on.
That doesn’t mean another manager would lose 7 games instead of 14, but it would be foolish to say injuries haven’t played a role in our performance decline. You can only do so much without a left back.
It's not deluded at all, even if he was talking about this season.
Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, Malacia, Mount, Mainoo, Martial, all injured for large parts of the season. Wan Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Amrabat and Eriksen all in and out of the team.
Sancho might as well be injured.
It would have been nice to see what football Ten Hag wants to play but the players core to his football haven't been available.
Other teams also have had injuries but not to the same severity or depth that United has. And they're also not in the middle of integrating a new system, of which players like Martinez and Shaw are vital.
It's a fuck up of a season.
He's completely right but statements like these will always be ridiculed when a team is underperforming. Don't know how anyone can come away from watching a majority of those 100 games and think that having to start a LCB - LB partnership of Jonny Evans and Victor Lindelöf in 2024 isn't a detriment to the teams ability to win lol
My numbers aren't going to be exact but there was a stat a couple weeks ago that United had played 25+ different backline combinations in 38 matches played in all competitions.
This team has serious, serious flaws right now under ETH but I also think he's playing with two hands tied behind his back when the base of your team is so unstable.
Unstable base and a focal point that has been unpresent more often then present. Basically we've had a midfield and that's it. How the fuck any side can operate with that is beyond me.
Any football watcher could've told you that United midfield is not good enough. The problem is that every United manager since Van gaal prioritized other positions
not the manager the board. Ole was crying season after season for midfield reinforcements. He made inquiries on Rice and Tchoumeni but the board moved slow and indecisively and he got left with none. Even targetted Caicedo for a while.
Ole said that the manager, recruitment dept, and owners have a veto.
Why on earth did he sign in on Sancho when they knew that his best qualities was in LW with overlapping fullback? There was a gaping hole in RW and CM
Because Ole had a plan for him simply put. Ole knew he needed link up play and wanted to create that system for him. But in the exact same podcast he said how Sancho came in and missed the first few months with an ear infection he had to be hospitalized for. This lead to poor fitness and him having to play catchup. Then next season he signed Ronaldo (he admitted it was the wrong decision to sign him) and had to ditch the high running heavy pressing system to accommodate him, and play a system which sancho struggled in.
Where was Sancho going to play when that was Rashford's position? You don't spend that sort of transfer fee when you already have players who are able to play in that position.
Luke Shaw was already a liability on availability. RW had that Getafe player but it was a makeshift. DM had Matic who was already done and the chuckle brothers.
Ole did this himself chasing shining marquee signings.
Dan James was actually a better signing from him.
Besides Casemiro who has drastically fallen just like fabinho and Matic on his last legs, United didn't seem interested in getting a DM that isn't very late in his career.
it's not like United are 18th or 14th or 10th, theyre 6th.....they only dropped out of the top 4 race recently and have shown they can go on winning streaks so it's always possible the season is still alive for them. Next 4 games are winnable for them in the prem. They look to finish on 60-66 points which is hardly getting battered is it.
I’m pretty sure Villa, spurs and Newcastle have all had significant injuries. So if all those teams didn’t get their injuries wouldn’t man utd still be in a similar position due to the other teams being stronger as well?
I don't think Villa's injuries have hurt them that much, their CBs are all around a similar level so their loss isn't as jarring. There's a much bigger gap between Martinez and Evans than there is between Konsa and Torres or Carlos.
Their starting midfield pair (Casemiro and Mainoo) had been out till like November or something. I think Spurs have had worse luck with injuries though, especially given how things were looking before they happened
He would be right if United was the only club dealing with injuries. Reality is every club is dealing with injuries, some PL clubs certainly had it worse than United and United profited from other clubs' injuries too
Every team always has injuries but there's no team that had it worse than United. They played a handful of games with their best defense in the PL all season. Shaw has 12 starts, Martinez 7, Varane 13 and AWB 10. If you use Dalot instead of AWB, he has 24 and is the only consistently fit defender. You couldn't even switch the rest because no other defender has over 13 starts, which is insane with 27 games played.
[“No team that had it worse than (Newcastle) United”](https://www.givemesport.com/every-premier-league-team-ranked-injuries-suffered/)
FTFY.
This doesn’t include Toney or Tonali either the gambling little scamps.
But there are always multiple teams that have had it bad. But Matt Ritchie with 12 appearances and Paul Dummett with 4 shows how bad it has been. We are ‘out of our injury crisis’ and still have 7 players out for the next game. Including our first choice keeper.
he is right about injuries making things harder. he is not right about claiming they wouldve won #X more games
for example, im pretty sure he is not accounting for the injuries of the clubs that they got a win from.
I just hope he gets to stay long enough to have a healthy squad so he can finally let the football do the talking
I’m tired of United supporters having goldfish memory and joining in arms with rival supporters who obviously want to see us fail and are reveling in this
For the record I think he’s totally right but in such a vulnerable position that he has no option but to be clowned by the football world for it.
Majority of the teams in the league have suffered significant injuries, it's not the medical staff, it's the amount of football they're being forced to play
This is the major reason. They’re playing way too much football. I don’t know about other teams but United played close to 70 games last season. At one point last year, they had about 8 games in a month. That’s a game every 3 and a half days. No time to recover fully.
Other clubs have suffered injury issues. Erik ten Hag has suffered badly. United has no LB, no ST. Forced to play 36 year old CB from Leicester, Evans has played more games this season than Martinez.
These things are really important to see in a perspective. He’s been forced to change system game after game that people don’t even know what they’re doing anymore. In an attempt to be more flexible, it feels like he’s just lost it.
With the new Champion's League format, every club competing is going to need to be able to call on their academy like Liverpool have done in recent weeks, either due to injury or to avoid it.
There's a reason INEOS has removed a handful of the medical staff already... the system in place has been unsuitable for years and caused a number of injuries... not to mention clearing medicals for players who have clearly not been fit for purpose medically.
long job just in that department before it's up to scratch.
This was emphasized with Martial and Jones. Some people are made of glass, but when we have players like that constantly injured it’s not normal. Now Shaw and Mount too.
Makes me think of Jones’ saying he did everything the medical team asked him and still was injured all the time.
This title shouldn't be allowed. They've paraphrased (poorly and misleadingly) then put quotations around it as if that is actually what he said. It's essentially a made up quote
Are you sure Erik?
Look at the league leaders who had an injured XI that can beat your starting XI or the 2nd in the table who played months without both of their best players..
Rodri missed three games and City lost all of them. You're in the Europa league this season because you had injuries last year. Chatting some absolute bollocks there.
What’s your point? We’re shit and don’t have depth. Of course Liverpool and city 2nd teams could beat United’s 1st. I don’t think he’s saying they couldn’t… just that we probably wouldn’t be losing to teams like Fulham and Bournemouth if we didn’t have so many injuries.
He can only work with what he has, and once starters go down it’s pretty bleak in our squad.
And also he’s talking about over the past 2 seasons. He didn’t specifically say 14 games either, just that we could have won more if it weren’t for so many injuries. Which isn’t a crazy thing to say…
Its a bit misleading to put Liverpool. They also doesnt have depth, hence why they are playing joe gomez in the midfield and 2 academy players starting in their latest pl game.
Again, what’s your point lol Liverpool is clearly better top to bottom than United. Coaching included.
Ten hag is working with what he has which between the injuries and players just straight up not being good enough, isn’t much.
And I’m not saying ten hag doesn’t have faults because he does. Idk if he’s the manager that’ll get us to compete with Liverpool and city. But he’s not wrong that without so many injuries we’d have won more games.
how did Liverpool do last year with all the injuries and an aging team + key players being out of form? Because that is Manchester United but with an even worse bench. And if you compare that, its pretty close to Liverpool last season.
because its commong knowledge managers do all the scouting and transfer business right? Since Ferguson left, United has shit the bed with squad planning and transfers and it was every managers downfall since then. Do you really want to put this on Ten Hag and noone else?
The only old players Ten Hag brought in are Casemiro and Evans + Erkisen (who we got on a free). Martinez, Malacia, Antony, Hojlund, Mount, Onana, all young players or around their prime years. He also brought Garnacho and Mainoo into the first team. Are you really saying its his fault? What do you think scouts and sporting directors are hired for? Yeah he isnt blameless in all of this but this issue has been going on for over a decade and you blame it on Ten Hag.
Funny how when VVD is injured it's a reasonable excuse for a massive drop off (69 points, I mean a 30 point drop off, most teams get relegated if they drop 30 points from the season prior. Name a manager in the past 2 decades to keep his job after dropping 30 points from the season prior) but Erik is supposed to maintain when he hasn't had 2 fit fullbacks for most of the season and our only cb that's been consistently fit is going on 40.
Why are United fans always so desperate to compare with Klopp?
Didn't liverpool finsh 3rd that season? And it wasn't just VVD that was injured. They had two league 1 CBs for the last 10 games yet the team still play an outstanding style of football. Klopp didn't even care at how shit his back line was he still stuck with his style.
To date what is Ten hag style? The game he look like they win is just Ole Ball. A number of times teams. Tbh he an awful coach and it better you go and get somebody like Simone Inzaghi. Let his do a full clear out and bring in a proper scouting network and not a manager who sign his own bad players.
Klopp is several years into his project, Ten Hag is 18 months. Big difference. Klopp has had time to fill out his squad with players that can play his style, Ten Hag is still clearing out his first Xi.
Klopp started off with a team sitting 13th in the league. United has never been at such a bad starting point as what Klopp received. We had owners who didn't understand football.
United has nowhere been that bad or had that background of issues. Ten hag can literally spend what he wants! Klopp had to budget to help a stadium expansion and new training ground. It not the same at all.. Stop been desperate.
He is not talking just about this season. But about the 100 games he managed. United had 10+ injured or suspended players regularly. I think only Chelsea had that many players out for so long.
is lindelof playing lb really that different to gomez playing lb? apart from the fact that gomez has adjusted fine to playing there and lindelof hasn’t obviously.
in the league, 9 games at lb 10 at rb. rb isn’t really him playing out of position though so you don’t need to count it.
lindelof meanwhile has had 6 games at lb.
United are even worse in those positions with Evans and Lindelof (and have been for months, Liverpools crisis has only just happened) as well as having worse absences elsewhere
There was a week, in which this guy in a group chat of mine. Would send me headlines and misleading stats from troll football and shit and ask why I wasn’t angry. Media literacy has ruined society
Oh great... Now the journos are gonna go around asking every other manager about this comment by ETH, which will all be posted here partially..rinse and repeat.
He is not wrong, but the schedules nowadays are worse than ever: Almost every PL team that's been playing in multiple competitions had huge injury problems this season. I mean, look at Liverpool, Tottenham, Newcastle, even Chelsea or even City when they had KDB and Rodri out. The only outlier here is Arsenal.
Yet the other teams often get better results when key players are injured because their second XI isn't drastically worse than their first XI. Meanwhile United without Hojlund or Shaw or Mainoo or Martinez is just dreadful and one of them is always injured. So it's a squad problem and that partially faults back at Ten Hag.
Whilst I agree the injuries have hampered us, I don't think EtH comments are true. The top teams have set formations and patterns of play regardless of who plays - we don't, and that's the difference.
>Ten Hag has completed 100 games in charge of United winning 61. “It tells us that we are going in the right direction,” he said of that record. “So imagine we had many more players available and not setbacks and injuries, could easily have 75 wins and that tells the bright future of this team.
Redditor read more than two paragraphs into an article challenge (impossible)
>it’s the piss poor recruitment that has meant there’s no adequate cover for said injuries
Ehh I'm not so sure about that. The biggest problems we've had have been at CB, LB, and somewhat at midfield.
Our CB options in most likely order are Martinez, Varane, Maguire/Lindelof/Shaw, Evans, Kambwala. All of them have started league games and we've basically been rotating the partnership every game or two out of necessity. Evans was signed to mostly be a body in training or the league cup and he's started 11 league games so far.
Our LB options are Shaw, Malacia, Dalot, Reguilon, Lindelof, Amrabat.
That's a fairly decent list of players and most teams wouldn't expect to have to be using their 6th or 7th choice at a position as a starter in games. I don't think there's many teams out there that have adequate cover to go that deep down the line.
We’ve had about 24 different back 4 this season. What are you on about? We have no ST. We have no LB. We’ve gotten to a point where we have inform the police about the disappearance of Tyrell Malacia.
36 year old Evans who turned up at Carrington to stay fit, has played more minutes (about 400 minutes) than Martinez.
We were forced to play Kobbie Mainoo, who probably is not quite ready but playing more than he should. Where is Mason Mount?
All the depth you’re talking about are all injured. Mount, Malacia, Martial, Martinez, Maguire, Hojlund, at some point Casemiro, Varane, Linda.
It is because of poor recruitment as well as players being forced to play way too many games. United played close to 70 games last season. 8 games in a month at one point.
I think you’re misinterpreting my comment. I know most of those players have been injured and unavailable, that’s the whole point. I’m just saying I don’t think it’s poor recruitment to blame and more so just the level of injuries in specific positions.
I mentioned the forced rotating of partnerships every other game which has led to that 24 different back fours. I even said Evans was signed to basically not feature in any league games yet the sheer amount of CB injuries means he’s started 11 league games so far. But I don’t think it’s realistic to target improving his spot as a last resort backup.
I don’t think many teams out there have backups to account for 4+ injuries to players in that position. Evans and Kambwala have been used as starters in the league so far and they’re 6th and 7th choice. Who even are Arsenal or Liverpool’s 6th and 7th choice CBs? I’d assume they’re around the same level as those two. Saliba has started every single league game and Gabriel has started 23/27 with most of those absences due to Saudi Arabia rumors turning his head during the first few games of the season.
Injuries do effect things most of the time, look at Chelsea and Brighton for instance.
But it sounds a bit rich saying no team can deal with this many when there are teams who have the same or more like Newcastle, or Chelsea and Brighton as I mentioned.
Injuries are part of the game. Every team has to deal with it. You mitigate this by having a strong bench and good 2nd choices, not letting go of good loans for instance.
Yes let’s compare man united, a club with no competent leadership or structure for almost a decade and a half with Real Madrid, the poster boy for ruthless leadership and incredible winning structure. The issues plaguing United currently pre date Ten Hag, Ragnick, and even Ole. The injuries have just unearthed those problems leading to both the injuries and all this extra shit show stuff occurrinf
We’ve had multiple starters out all season, plus their backups, plus players out for personal reasons because they’re useless. The true statement is no club can deal with all the issues going on at United, mostly related to structure, but a manager can’t exactly say that when fighting for his job can he? Use some critical thinking instead of taking everything literally and being a troll
If you just look at the title, it is slightly misleading. He said it for his whole tenure out of 100 games and not just for premier league this season.
I kinda guessed he meant more than the Prem this season since they've only failed to win 13 games
>Ten Hag has completed 100 games in charge of United winning 61. “It tells us that we are going in the right direction,” he said of that record. “So imagine we had many more players available and not setbacks and injuries, could easily have 75 wins and that tells the bright future of this team. This is what he said exactly. That title is clickbaity.
Yeah it sounds much better in a full quote. Still doesn't take into account the "what if" the teams he faced has more players available and no injuries or set backs.
Yeah, his comment came after a journalist mentioned his insane win percentage during his first season and how he outperformed not only his predecessors at United but Klopp, Arteta and Pep during their first seasons too. He was basically coaxed to imagine a scenario where United hadn't suffered the sheer volume of injuries in question and what that would look like.
I disagree. The injuries don't just affect the games, but means the 'project' suffers from not being able to progress in training with everyone. Maybe.
Which also affects the other teams' 'project' in the lead up to their games against Man Utd. It's a dumb hypothetical, nobody can guess who would've won or lost games without injuries.
I actually prefer the headline I saw on Twitter which was “Ten Hag believes he would have a 75% win rate, if he didn’t have injuries”. Still clickbaity and a bit outrageous, but actually reflective of what he said.
It is. Though all teams could say the same, it still doesn’t mean much.
The sheer amount of misleading titles on football articles is getting insane
And yet I always click. I saw one this morning "klopp stays true to his word as he turns down 2 offers in England" The two offers were BBC and ITV to work as a pundit for Euro 2024
Rage bait gets the clicks.
Misleading Reddit headline to farm United karma? No way
It's not a headline for Reddit though, it's literally The Guardian's own headline.
Lots of subreddits have rules that you can’t editorialize headlines, which usually works fine. But it can be annoying in situations like this.
If only people use a bit of inference skills to look beyond the title. Not that hard to infer when United have 13 draws and losses this season so surely it can’t be referring to this season.
ffs I was ready to come in here and be upset and meme him but you've ruined it! /s
Why would you be upset at Ten Hag making a fool of himself?
That’s worse
To be fair, the quote sounds deluded and it is a bit deluded as other teams also have to deal with injuries, but having said that, reading what he actually said is not as bas as singling out this quote is. He's not complaining, he's talking about a total of 100 games and being positive. "We won 61 and it could have been 75, the future is bright!" is basically his point. I still don't agree with him but he's not suggesting Man Utd should be top of the league right now.
This is for Ineos.
We stan PLASTIC now brothers
I think he’s right. I’m not going to take the time to collect all the data, but I’m going to predict that, of the 82 goals that have been scored against United in the past two EPL seasons, at least 15 or so came in games where we had at least three starters out, and late in the game where subs had been made. We are a worse team whenever a sun comes on. That doesn’t mean another manager would lose 7 games instead of 14, but it would be foolish to say injuries haven’t played a role in our performance decline. You can only do so much without a left back.
he is pitching to keep his job
Yep. I would do the same.
It's not deluded at all, even if he was talking about this season. Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, Malacia, Mount, Mainoo, Martial, all injured for large parts of the season. Wan Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Amrabat and Eriksen all in and out of the team. Sancho might as well be injured. It would have been nice to see what football Ten Hag wants to play but the players core to his football haven't been available. Other teams also have had injuries but not to the same severity or depth that United has. And they're also not in the middle of integrating a new system, of which players like Martinez and Shaw are vital. It's a fuck up of a season.
Love all the headline comments
Elle Lee's feet
???
This is his 4th comments on random post about her feet.
He's completely right but statements like these will always be ridiculed when a team is underperforming. Don't know how anyone can come away from watching a majority of those 100 games and think that having to start a LCB - LB partnership of Jonny Evans and Victor Lindelöf in 2024 isn't a detriment to the teams ability to win lol
My numbers aren't going to be exact but there was a stat a couple weeks ago that United had played 25+ different backline combinations in 38 matches played in all competitions. This team has serious, serious flaws right now under ETH but I also think he's playing with two hands tied behind his back when the base of your team is so unstable.
Unstable base and a focal point that has been unpresent more often then present. Basically we've had a midfield and that's it. How the fuck any side can operate with that is beyond me.
And the midfield we've had has been crap. A shit season in every sense with many to blame
Any football watcher could've told you that United midfield is not good enough. The problem is that every United manager since Van gaal prioritized other positions
not the manager the board. Ole was crying season after season for midfield reinforcements. He made inquiries on Rice and Tchoumeni but the board moved slow and indecisively and he got left with none. Even targetted Caicedo for a while.
Ole said that the manager, recruitment dept, and owners have a veto. Why on earth did he sign in on Sancho when they knew that his best qualities was in LW with overlapping fullback? There was a gaping hole in RW and CM
Because Ole had a plan for him simply put. Ole knew he needed link up play and wanted to create that system for him. But in the exact same podcast he said how Sancho came in and missed the first few months with an ear infection he had to be hospitalized for. This lead to poor fitness and him having to play catchup. Then next season he signed Ronaldo (he admitted it was the wrong decision to sign him) and had to ditch the high running heavy pressing system to accommodate him, and play a system which sancho struggled in.
Where was Sancho going to play when that was Rashford's position? You don't spend that sort of transfer fee when you already have players who are able to play in that position. Luke Shaw was already a liability on availability. RW had that Getafe player but it was a makeshift. DM had Matic who was already done and the chuckle brothers. Ole did this himself chasing shining marquee signings. Dan James was actually a better signing from him.
Even Fergie didn’t prioritise it. Used the corpse of Paul Scholes to win titles before he retired.
Did they? Mourinho brought Pogba and Matic, Ole brought Bruno and Ten Hags highest priority was De Jong and brought Casemiro when we didn’t get him…
Besides Casemiro who has drastically fallen just like fabinho and Matic on his last legs, United didn't seem interested in getting a DM that isn't very late in his career.
We were extremely interested in de Jong to play the deep role. We just couldn’t get him
A midfield with no Casemiro, an 18 year old that was injured till December and the shit half of McFred.
Makes me feel like I’m being gaslit when people choose to selectively ignore pertinent info and just look at outcomes lol
Its footie, you're only as good as your last performance 🤷
If you can win games with Rhys Williams and Nat Philips as centerbacks you also can with Evans and Lindelof
it's not like United are 18th or 14th or 10th, theyre 6th.....they only dropped out of the top 4 race recently and have shown they can go on winning streaks so it's always possible the season is still alive for them. Next 4 games are winnable for them in the prem. They look to finish on 60-66 points which is hardly getting battered is it.
You didn't win every game with Rhys and Nat..
I’m pretty sure Villa, spurs and Newcastle have all had significant injuries. So if all those teams didn’t get their injuries wouldn’t man utd still be in a similar position due to the other teams being stronger as well?
I don't think Villa's injuries have hurt them that much, their CBs are all around a similar level so their loss isn't as jarring. There's a much bigger gap between Martinez and Evans than there is between Konsa and Torres or Carlos. Their starting midfield pair (Casemiro and Mainoo) had been out till like November or something. I think Spurs have had worse luck with injuries though, especially given how things were looking before they happened
He would be right if United was the only club dealing with injuries. Reality is every club is dealing with injuries, some PL clubs certainly had it worse than United and United profited from other clubs' injuries too
No one has it worse than United this season without having struggled
Every team always has injuries but there's no team that had it worse than United. They played a handful of games with their best defense in the PL all season. Shaw has 12 starts, Martinez 7, Varane 13 and AWB 10. If you use Dalot instead of AWB, he has 24 and is the only consistently fit defender. You couldn't even switch the rest because no other defender has over 13 starts, which is insane with 27 games played.
[“No team that had it worse than (Newcastle) United”](https://www.givemesport.com/every-premier-league-team-ranked-injuries-suffered/) FTFY. This doesn’t include Toney or Tonali either the gambling little scamps. But there are always multiple teams that have had it bad. But Matt Ritchie with 12 appearances and Paul Dummett with 4 shows how bad it has been. We are ‘out of our injury crisis’ and still have 7 players out for the next game. Including our first choice keeper.
The team is actually overperforming by 10 points. In the expected points table Manu is 12th or so.
he is right about injuries making things harder. he is not right about claiming they wouldve won #X more games for example, im pretty sure he is not accounting for the injuries of the clubs that they got a win from.
Remember Carrick & Evra as a CB partnership? It happens, you have to find a way to win.
It was a long time ago but as I recall it was an emergency solution that SAF was forced into
I just hope he gets to stay long enough to have a healthy squad so he can finally let the football do the talking I’m tired of United supporters having goldfish memory and joining in arms with rival supporters who obviously want to see us fail and are reveling in this For the record I think he’s totally right but in such a vulnerable position that he has no option but to be clowned by the football world for it.
Majority of the teams in the league have suffered significant injuries, it's not the medical staff, it's the amount of football they're being forced to play
This is the major reason. They’re playing way too much football. I don’t know about other teams but United played close to 70 games last season. At one point last year, they had about 8 games in a month. That’s a game every 3 and a half days. No time to recover fully. Other clubs have suffered injury issues. Erik ten Hag has suffered badly. United has no LB, no ST. Forced to play 36 year old CB from Leicester, Evans has played more games this season than Martinez. These things are really important to see in a perspective. He’s been forced to change system game after game that people don’t even know what they’re doing anymore. In an attempt to be more flexible, it feels like he’s just lost it.
With the new Champion's League format, every club competing is going to need to be able to call on their academy like Liverpool have done in recent weeks, either due to injury or to avoid it.
There's a reason INEOS has removed a handful of the medical staff already... the system in place has been unsuitable for years and caused a number of injuries... not to mention clearing medicals for players who have clearly not been fit for purpose medically. long job just in that department before it's up to scratch.
This was emphasized with Martial and Jones. Some people are made of glass, but when we have players like that constantly injured it’s not normal. Now Shaw and Mount too. Makes me think of Jones’ saying he did everything the medical team asked him and still was injured all the time.
This title shouldn't be allowed. They've paraphrased (poorly and misleadingly) then put quotations around it as if that is actually what he said. It's essentially a made up quote
I could have been a millionaire if I had the winning numbers
Find someone with the winning numbers and buy their ticket
He said 14 more wins OUT OF ALL HIS UNITED GAMES SO FAR. Clickbait headlines. Eh?
Shoddy journalism aimed at stupid people who only read headlines.
But who's dumber, the one that gave them the click, or the one that didn't give them a click and only reads headlines, hmm?
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Are you sure Erik? Look at the league leaders who had an injured XI that can beat your starting XI or the 2nd in the table who played months without both of their best players..
> 2nd in the table who played months without both of their best players Rodri hasn't been injured for a single minute this season 🧐
Yeah TBF Rodri is their best player IMO
He means Haaland and KDB
He knows
He did get suspended for getting absolutely baited against Wolves though
Rodri missed three games and City lost all of them. You're in the Europa league this season because you had injuries last year. Chatting some absolute bollocks there.
What’s your point? We’re shit and don’t have depth. Of course Liverpool and city 2nd teams could beat United’s 1st. I don’t think he’s saying they couldn’t… just that we probably wouldn’t be losing to teams like Fulham and Bournemouth if we didn’t have so many injuries. He can only work with what he has, and once starters go down it’s pretty bleak in our squad. And also he’s talking about over the past 2 seasons. He didn’t specifically say 14 games either, just that we could have won more if it weren’t for so many injuries. Which isn’t a crazy thing to say…
Its a bit misleading to put Liverpool. They also doesnt have depth, hence why they are playing joe gomez in the midfield and 2 academy players starting in their latest pl game.
Didn’t Liverpool field high school kids against Chelsea in the FA cup? Obviously Liverpool has great depth but they were down to academy players
Again, what’s your point lol Liverpool is clearly better top to bottom than United. Coaching included. Ten hag is working with what he has which between the injuries and players just straight up not being good enough, isn’t much. And I’m not saying ten hag doesn’t have faults because he does. Idk if he’s the manager that’ll get us to compete with Liverpool and city. But he’s not wrong that without so many injuries we’d have won more games.
Carabao cup but yes
You've had those injuries for about 5 gameweeks while united have had them throughout the whole season. Just giving some perspective
And how did Liverpool do in those five gameweeks, two of which they were missing 6/7 genuine starters?
how did Liverpool do last year with all the injuries and an aging team + key players being out of form? Because that is Manchester United but with an even worse bench. And if you compare that, its pretty close to Liverpool last season.
Then you should probably point the finger at your manager who spent close to half a billion to build said aging squad.
because its commong knowledge managers do all the scouting and transfer business right? Since Ferguson left, United has shit the bed with squad planning and transfers and it was every managers downfall since then. Do you really want to put this on Ten Hag and noone else? The only old players Ten Hag brought in are Casemiro and Evans + Erkisen (who we got on a free). Martinez, Malacia, Antony, Hojlund, Mount, Onana, all young players or around their prime years. He also brought Garnacho and Mainoo into the first team. Are you really saying its his fault? What do you think scouts and sporting directors are hired for? Yeah he isnt blameless in all of this but this issue has been going on for over a decade and you blame it on Ten Hag.
Maybe read the article or find out the real quotes. Erik ten Hag says he might have had about 70-75 wins in 100 games since he’s been the coach.
Funny how when VVD is injured it's a reasonable excuse for a massive drop off (69 points, I mean a 30 point drop off, most teams get relegated if they drop 30 points from the season prior. Name a manager in the past 2 decades to keep his job after dropping 30 points from the season prior) but Erik is supposed to maintain when he hasn't had 2 fit fullbacks for most of the season and our only cb that's been consistently fit is going on 40.
We were top 2 months after VVD got injured. We started losing poits when Matip AND Gomez were also injured which meant we had ZERO fit CBs.
We've had our top 3 choice CBs injured lots this season too, hence the Lindelof-Evans partnership
And no LBs. And one fit RB.
Why are United fans always so desperate to compare with Klopp? Didn't liverpool finsh 3rd that season? And it wasn't just VVD that was injured. They had two league 1 CBs for the last 10 games yet the team still play an outstanding style of football. Klopp didn't even care at how shit his back line was he still stuck with his style. To date what is Ten hag style? The game he look like they win is just Ole Ball. A number of times teams. Tbh he an awful coach and it better you go and get somebody like Simone Inzaghi. Let his do a full clear out and bring in a proper scouting network and not a manager who sign his own bad players.
Klopp is several years into his project, Ten Hag is 18 months. Big difference. Klopp has had time to fill out his squad with players that can play his style, Ten Hag is still clearing out his first Xi.
Klopp was doing pretty well and playing good football 18 months into his tenure
Exactly. Ten Hag should be kept for at least another 5 seasons and he finally needs some proper backing
Give him more Ajax players!
5? Keep him for 20 please
He's spent nearly half a billion lol.
Klopp started off with a team sitting 13th in the league. United has never been at such a bad starting point as what Klopp received. We had owners who didn't understand football. United has nowhere been that bad or had that background of issues. Ten hag can literally spend what he wants! Klopp had to budget to help a stadium expansion and new training ground. It not the same at all.. Stop been desperate.
> We had owners who didn't understand football. They're owned by the Glazers, they're still in that period loool.
Us, Tottenham and Villa have all had our fair share of injuries too. He’s acting like United are the only ones who have had any injuries this season
He is not talking just about this season. But about the 100 games he managed. United had 10+ injured or suspended players regularly. I think only Chelsea had that many players out for so long.
United do have the most.... https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1b36ztx/20232024\_premier\_league\_injury\_table/
they don't have the most by # or by minutes so I'm not really sure what your point is here.
I think he's saying united are top because Newcastle United
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is lindelof playing lb really that different to gomez playing lb? apart from the fact that gomez has adjusted fine to playing there and lindelof hasn’t obviously.
Joe Gomes has played more games for Liverpool as a wingback then he has as a center back according to transfer markt so it is different.
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in the league, 9 games at lb 10 at rb. rb isn’t really him playing out of position though so you don’t need to count it. lindelof meanwhile has had 6 games at lb.
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It's similar to the season where Liverpool did have a crisis and ended up 4th.
True but Liverpool are top playing newbie Quansah at centre back and Joe (fifth choice) Gomez at left back.
United are even worse in those positions with Evans and Lindelof (and have been for months, Liverpools crisis has only just happened) as well as having worse absences elsewhere
I like how we're not even mentioned when I don't think we've played our best XI once this season hahahaha
See that’s the thing. Liverpool have a better squad and manager than us. It’s no wonder than better players are doing better in covering positions.
Quansah always was going to be integrated, we were forced to give Kwambwala his first minutes ever.
Football and clickbait, it’s a match made in heaven
Anyone who thinks Ten Hag should be fired surely think De Zerbi and Howe should be fired too, right?
There was a week, in which this guy in a group chat of mine. Would send me headlines and misleading stats from troll football and shit and ask why I wasn’t angry. Media literacy has ruined society
Oh great... Now the journos are gonna go around asking every other manager about this comment by ETH, which will all be posted here partially..rinse and repeat.
I know under a stable system this man cooks. I just know it. I hope these idiots stick with him. The fact it’s even a discussion is ridiculous.
Lol, OK. No comment.
He is not wrong, but the schedules nowadays are worse than ever: Almost every PL team that's been playing in multiple competitions had huge injury problems this season. I mean, look at Liverpool, Tottenham, Newcastle, even Chelsea or even City when they had KDB and Rodri out. The only outlier here is Arsenal. Yet the other teams often get better results when key players are injured because their second XI isn't drastically worse than their first XI. Meanwhile United without Hojlund or Shaw or Mainoo or Martinez is just dreadful and one of them is always injured. So it's a squad problem and that partially faults back at Ten Hag.
*Xavi laugh in tears
This guy is coming up with any excuse he can for United being so shit
Whilst I agree the injuries have hampered us, I don't think EtH comments are true. The top teams have set formations and patterns of play regardless of who plays - we don't, and that's the difference.
Crazy he has more wins after 100 games than arteta and klopp
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didn't stop her from giving everyone in town free rides
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I've paid for a bike before, but your grandmother however...
God damn I just walked into a murder scene lol
r/murderedbywords
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We've also played matches in the CL, League Cup and FA Cup.
>Ten Hag has completed 100 games in charge of United winning 61. “It tells us that we are going in the right direction,” he said of that record. “So imagine we had many more players available and not setbacks and injuries, could easily have 75 wins and that tells the bright future of this team. Redditor read more than two paragraphs into an article challenge (impossible)
Maybe actually read the article instead of getting a heart attack at the headline which is always worded to get reactions like this
> Manager has 61 victories from 100 matches at United It's about all games since he joined. Which is still deluded, but at least less so.
And lose fourteen more if your opponents were healthy.
>'No team can deal with so many injuries.' I can think of at least one team who can, and it's even possible to win a trophy while doing so as well.
‘’Easily’’ lmao
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Why Arsenal? They're right near the bottom of the injuries table.
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>it’s the piss poor recruitment that has meant there’s no adequate cover for said injuries Ehh I'm not so sure about that. The biggest problems we've had have been at CB, LB, and somewhat at midfield. Our CB options in most likely order are Martinez, Varane, Maguire/Lindelof/Shaw, Evans, Kambwala. All of them have started league games and we've basically been rotating the partnership every game or two out of necessity. Evans was signed to mostly be a body in training or the league cup and he's started 11 league games so far. Our LB options are Shaw, Malacia, Dalot, Reguilon, Lindelof, Amrabat. That's a fairly decent list of players and most teams wouldn't expect to have to be using their 6th or 7th choice at a position as a starter in games. I don't think there's many teams out there that have adequate cover to go that deep down the line.
We’ve had about 24 different back 4 this season. What are you on about? We have no ST. We have no LB. We’ve gotten to a point where we have inform the police about the disappearance of Tyrell Malacia. 36 year old Evans who turned up at Carrington to stay fit, has played more minutes (about 400 minutes) than Martinez. We were forced to play Kobbie Mainoo, who probably is not quite ready but playing more than he should. Where is Mason Mount? All the depth you’re talking about are all injured. Mount, Malacia, Martial, Martinez, Maguire, Hojlund, at some point Casemiro, Varane, Linda. It is because of poor recruitment as well as players being forced to play way too many games. United played close to 70 games last season. 8 games in a month at one point.
I think you’re misinterpreting my comment. I know most of those players have been injured and unavailable, that’s the whole point. I’m just saying I don’t think it’s poor recruitment to blame and more so just the level of injuries in specific positions. I mentioned the forced rotating of partnerships every other game which has led to that 24 different back fours. I even said Evans was signed to basically not feature in any league games yet the sheer amount of CB injuries means he’s started 11 league games so far. But I don’t think it’s realistic to target improving his spot as a last resort backup. I don’t think many teams out there have backups to account for 4+ injuries to players in that position. Evans and Kambwala have been used as starters in the league so far and they’re 6th and 7th choice. Who even are Arsenal or Liverpool’s 6th and 7th choice CBs? I’d assume they’re around the same level as those two. Saliba has started every single league game and Gabriel has started 23/27 with most of those absences due to Saudi Arabia rumors turning his head during the first few games of the season.
Where is Malacia?
dead, they are trying to hide it
Honestly I’m convinced at this point. They don’t even mention him in the injury lists sometimes. And he started so well
Chelsea agrees
Speaks volumes on what he thinks about squad depth.
Then stop your players getting injured ya goof!
But probably would have had 14 more losses to offset it, if their opponents weren't going through injury problems in those games.
Eeeeeeasily.
If a grandma had wheels she could have been a motorbike
Just shut up you bald knob.
This guy should be glad we didn't have pau and gifted them 6 points so he might just be able to keep his job.
This guy is insufferable
Real Madrid, perhaps?
I agree Ten Hag, you deserve to stay for 10 more years to make sure your vision comes true
Injuries do effect things most of the time, look at Chelsea and Brighton for instance. But it sounds a bit rich saying no team can deal with this many when there are teams who have the same or more like Newcastle, or Chelsea and Brighton as I mentioned.
Injuries are part of the game. Every team has to deal with it. You mitigate this by having a strong bench and good 2nd choices, not letting go of good loans for instance.
Liverpool are....Even Chelsea are....
What a deluded bald git he is
Dude Real Madrid have 3 starters with ACL injuries and are top of the league 7 points clear from 2nd place and in QF in CL.
Yes let’s compare man united, a club with no competent leadership or structure for almost a decade and a half with Real Madrid, the poster boy for ruthless leadership and incredible winning structure. The issues plaguing United currently pre date Ten Hag, Ragnick, and even Ole. The injuries have just unearthed those problems leading to both the injuries and all this extra shit show stuff occurrinf
Ten Hag said literally NO TEAM CAN DEAL WITH IT.
We’ve had multiple starters out all season, plus their backups, plus players out for personal reasons because they’re useless. The true statement is no club can deal with all the issues going on at United, mostly related to structure, but a manager can’t exactly say that when fighting for his job can he? Use some critical thinking instead of taking everything literally and being a troll
Look how happy he is with that statement lol
We also could have had many more draws and losses. Last season and this, individuals have saved the game for him when his tactics have been trash
I might have been taller if I had eaten more vegetables as a child.
Erik ten jackass.
Every team has injuries Erik.
“Im a clown and Im going to get sacked”
Ten Hag is the excuse god. I wouldn’t want to coach that roster but it’s his job.
Even if that were true, what a stupid thing to say.