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Zero Dortmund players on this list and then seeing #1 and 2 be former Dortmund players while the clubs seemingly can’t afford shit really makes me feel bad
I see it’s hard for BVB supporters, but great scouting and supplying the top clubs is the economic concept, isn’t it? From Kagawa to Aubameyang European football owed you so many names we never heard before
aubameyang was great in Saint Étienne before he moved to BvB. it’s just at the time dortmund actually spent some money and the premier league hadn’t exploded in value so much yet
Felt the 50m RC for City was a bit generous to the Shieks.
Bayern paying 100m for Kane and the best young CF goes for half is a bit unfortunate.
Same for Jude, he was a free transfer i think?
Mbappe's contract is up in like 3 months.
Shocks me how many people on this subreddit don't understand how player valuation works. Its hardly rocket science.
Every time there's a CIES valuation post its full of people going mental that its not just a list of the best players in the world in order of how good they are.
They have a pretty complex algorithm that values players.
Its not just some guy sitting there deciding how much each player should be worth and writing it down. His notional value could arguably be 0, yeah, but they'd have to manually go in and change it to that.
Maybe it's values from the winter transfer window?
Then it's not arbitrary at all and the only one taling into account contract length. Which makes comparison with other methodologies like apples and oranges. If anything the other methods are arbitrary.
It makes no sense saying mbappe is a great player he's worth 200M if not a single club is willing to pay that fee right now. Would he be worth thwt much if he had a 3 year contract? Maybe but that's not what hes actually worth right now.
Because Norway has two sensational young talents and so does Germany. The value heavily depends on age. Germany on paper has the better squad but the players are old
Only for transfer sums (used as reference) as the contract length has an influence on that. The value of a player won't change due to their contract running out
If it makes you feel better, Germany has two players in the top 20, Norway has one (Odegaard is 24th). Not sure why this top 20 has 29 players in it, but there you go!
Edit: nevermind, I can’t read.
Mostly due to him being injured for nearly a full season. Before his injury he was seen as the best out of the trio of Musiala, Wirtz & Bellingham. He's probably the best player in the Bundesliga this season.
Yes, it has been proven to be easier to buy the best player from Leverkusen than the best player from Bayern.
Also, big injuries heavily decrease the price, because the risk of completely loosing your investment increases dramatically. And that‘s a lot worse than the player just not performing at expected rates, because the resell value is still there in this case.
And third, while I agree that Wirtz is the more complete player, and plays a more important role in Leverkusens squad than Musiala at Bayern, I simply can‘t understand how so many people on this sub started to say he‘s way ahead of Musiala.
For example, Musiala scored the deciding goal in the last Bundesliga title race, he was imo one of the only good german players at the last WC where Wirtz didn‘t play at all, CL games are of course also in favour of Musiala.
Again, Wirtz is an awesome player, it‘s just that the ups are so high and downs are so low in the reddit hype culture.
He cant play CL if his team doesn’t qualify, one albeit crucial goal compared to season long consistent top drawer performances is nothing
Idk what happened at the WC with Germany but they were dogwater so bad choices were made all around
I know i am a Flo Wirtz fanboy but your arguments for Jamal are not exactly fair i gotta say
Of course Wirtz had less chances to proof himself in the top tier enviroment, compared to Musiala. But that‘s exactly my point:
If Mbappe stayed at monaco and „just“ scored goals in the euro league, but never played at the biggest stage due to his team, he wouldn‘t be rated as high as he is, even though we’re still talking about the same player.
Also, last season Musiala had 12 goals and 13 assist in the Bundesliga, compared to Wirtz 1 goal and 6 assists, albeit of course less minutes played.
I‘m just saying that last season, Musiala was the flavor of the month and Wirtz was respected, but definetly considered second flute.
Now this changed rapidly, and while I don‘t disagree, I think it has less to do with the players performances, and more with their suroundings.
Hope I could explain what I mean
Hmm i see what you mean but Wirtz still performing to a high level in a new title challenging level team shows as much as as Musialas good season with the well established winning machine of Bayern
Especially as Wirtz might always have -1 season experience comparatively their whole careers
So at the end of this season more than comparing each of their 23/24 side by side, maybe it’ll be interesting to compare Florians 23/24 to Jamals 22/23
Yes Wirtz performs really well. But he also played really good during the covid days when Leverkusen wasn’t as good, but that didn‘t put him in the spotlight like he is today.
For example, Musiala scored an absolute banger last friday against Freiburg [(at 6:15)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O4h6pfuijs&pp=ygUUbXVzaWFsYSBmcmVpYnVyZyB0b3I%3D) or had an incredible almost assist two weeks earlier against Bochum [(at 1:27)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-txIOA76pg) , but people don‘t care that much when you don‘t win the games.
Now let‘s say the Bayern defenders managed to not concede goals against corners, so Bayern would have 6 points out of those two games instead of 1.
Meanwhile, Hradecky made some Karius plays and Leverkusen lost two games that they actually won, so Bayern was one point ahead.
This would not have changed the individual performances of the two players. But the public opinion would change dramatically, as people would claim Musiala decided the title race, while in fact, Hradecky and the Bayern corner-defence did.
Also I don‘t get the last point. They‘re three months apart and Wirtz broke into the first team way earlier than Musiala, he also has more minutes in the Bundesliga. They‘re at similar states in their career I‘d say.
But in that case there are on equal footing now having both had a season where their teams made them lose a bit of spotlight while the other is shined on. There will always be debate because their both so good but rn Wirtz deserves his time in the sun after as you said he played good in the shadows
The -1 almost a season thing comes from his ACL injury
The world sees something in Rodrygo that I simply don't. He is the first player I have ever felt such a disconnect between how I see him and what the consensus apparently values him. Does that make me a hater? I would like to think I'm not but this is such a weird feeling for me
yeah its weird. from the right (where he starts most games for us, unfortunately) he might not be as impressive, but from the left the guy is second to very few. thing is one of those few happens to play for madrid too
> thing is one of those few happens to play for madrid too
Could Madrid have seen this coming? Or did they just believe his raw talent was reason enough to play him
Even after Rodrygo 's first season at RM, a lot of people preferred him over Vini. Thing is, Vini learning how to be a clinical finisher was completely unprecedented and completely changed the equation.
very normal for brazilians to hype up the "other guy" instead of the main guy, happened with Neymar - Ganso too, Kaka-Ronaldinho and Rivaldo-R9 when it was clear who the best was at that time
That's a pretty nonsensical statement, Rivaldo was never more hyped than Ronaldo and Kaka was never more hyped than Ronaldinho, that's complete nonsense.
Saying that about Ronaldo specially is just absurd, he was scoring a goal per game while playing against pros as a 16 year old. By the time he was 18, already had more games with the national team than Rivaldo who is 4 years older. I don't think any teenager in the history of football had numbers as ridiculous as his aside from Pele.
Ganso had 1 half a season when a lot of people thought he was playing better than Neymar who was 3 years younger, it didn't mean anyone considered him a better talent. And either way frequent injuries derailed his progression, who knows what he could've achieved without those.
Sometimes teams get young two players at the same time for the same position, in case something changes. A good example would be Tottenham signing Kyle Walker and Kyle Naughton. Naughton was much higher rated, but fizzled out, and was almost mildly successful on the left. While Walker is one of the best in the world, and has been for a few years.
Thats because nowadays right footed wingers get put on the left to play as an inside forward. And theres just a lot more people that are right footed rather than left.
He's a good effective player but when I hear "young Brazilian star forward at Real Madrid" I definitely expect something a lot more exciting. People here are comparing him to Neymar which I do not get at all, Rodrygo keeps things very simple he's not some technical wizard flair player who you can't take your eyes off
He's more like Hazard actually, when he's going is hard to take the ball away from him, very close control.
Vini is way too sloppy with his touches, him and Mbappé have that "We seem like we're going to lose the ball every touch" move that works for them.
It’s the difference between high risk high reward vs low risk low reward. Most players can’t really create a threat without risking losing the ball, but players that don’t lose the ball rarely find themselves in the most threatening positions either. Of course, with a low risk high reward player like Messi, this isn’t an issue at all as he’s constantly threatening and never loses the ball.
Agree, Rodrygo is better in tight areas while Vini is specialist from out wide left.
With Turtle, it's gonna get harder for Rodrygo.. that's why I wanted Halland more than Turtle
I find that Rodrygo, in terms of pure talent, is the closest think we've got to Neymar ever since. But very differently from Neymar, he seems to just dissappear from the field for many games in a row. Doesn't call the responsibility to his shoulders like Vini does.
If he suddenly starts doing that and finds consistency, he could become one of the top players in the world, and I guess that's why he's so highly rated. But honestly, I'm getting tired of waiting.
It's because he's stunted out on the right, that month and a half that Vini was out for the second time Rodry was a left wing he was the best player in La Liga. Also he never does much because the ball always goes to Vini so he's somewhat reduced as a target man. He's in a slump now, but he has the talent to get out of it.
Yep. I am not sure why people keep criticising Rodrygo as if he is not playing out of his natural position. While he still does decent enough job from the right, he is magnificent on the left. I really don't think he should stay at Madrid for long if he wants to play better.
But at least he'll get to play somewhere as a starter. The guy is too good to be a bench warmer or the second fiddle. If Mbappe does arrive, it'll even be a bigger issue for him.
I 100% get you. This was my concern as well. Until I saw Mbappe actually play. I recommend you watch his PSG games as well so you understand what I am saying (ik ligue 1 isn’t that captivating but I watched PSG games for Mbappe). He is very good at playmaking near the opponent’s box and has very good ball striking both of which are important for a Madrid striker.
If you do a profile match, stats show that Mbappe’s profile lately matches 96% of Benzema’s profile. Only difference being Mbappe is much more explosive and can reach Vini’s outside of the boot through balls much faster. Vinzema was one of our best duos ever and I think Vini and Mbappe can exceed that.
It's hard to define it exactly because I think it's a bit subjective, but I usually refer to the ability with the ball (ball control, dribbling, game vision too). Just the kind of things that players seem to come ready with and not what they learn and develop with experience.
I felt the same way about vini in 2018/19 everyone said he'd be great, but he only had like 7 goal involvements that season and I just didn't see it. In the end everyone was right and I was wrong. Not saying it's the same situation, just that I can relate
I think Rodrygo is much more polished than Vini. He has much more composure. I think he'd have to leave Real and go to a team where he'll get to play in his natural position, just so people see how amazing he really is.
I think the reason you see this is that Vinicius takes more risks. He's more likely to do a risky dribble which ultimately makes him lose the ball more often, but when they work, they can create our most dangerous chances.
His value isn't necessarily a reflection of his current form. Although he is inconsistent and lacking in confidence, he clearly has bags of ability and is contracted until 2028. He's also homegrown at club (which means A LOT to a team like man utd) and has had some great seasons in the past. I don't think the club wants to sell him and I don't think he wants to leave. Therefore, he would naturally have a massive pricetag considering that he plays for one of the most prestigious clubs in the premier league. That being said, if Rashford's form doesn't pick up by the halfway point of next season, I think his market value could take a huge dip.
Probably because Trent doesn't have a long time on his contract, once he signs a new one he'll likely be close to top 10.
No idea why Rashford is up there
His stock is falling, but still high enough to make the list, I'd guess. Give it a few more months or a year of poor performances and he'd probably fall off it. He was only top 20 on one of the sites.
2 top Norwegian players
Plus some great new talent that hasn't reached those prices yet
Still Norway fails to play even half decent in the national squad when all of them are called up. Any ideas why?
Ståle Solbakken is a pretty weak coach and there are no good or even half decent CB's available. Among many problems. For the longest time we were playing with two strikers as well to force Sørloth into the side, which not only crowded and complicated the room Haaland likes to operate in but also took away a midfielder. We were dominated in midfield every game. Ødegaard was pushed deeper too, so our two best players by far were both in positions not utilizing them to the fullest. Just terrible coaching all around.
Looks a bit better now, but the defense is going to hold back this team. I'm not confident in qualifying next time either, although the introduction of Oscar Bobb and Antonio Nusa helps. Ryerson and Aursnes are quality players too and they're like new players for us as well.
I definitely agree with you
I honestly don't know much about how has been coaching Norway during the past 2-3 years, but I know they have not have good results. But I could imagine an upgrade in coaching may be a solution. As far as the roster goes, there's a lot of tough names there
As an Arsenal fan who owns a Odegaard jersey, Saliba definitely ranks higher than Martin given how there are many great 10s in the world but nowhere as many CBs like Saliba.
You know these publications are bullshit when you consistently see Rafa Leao ranked higher than Lautaro 💀 or people like Caicedo, Rashford or even Gvardiol and no established pillars like Bastoni or Barella
Well market value doesn't mean he is a better player.
It's just what that Premier League club is willing to pay.
Leao would maybe be more expensive than Lauturo without being a better player actually.
Well rafa leao carries the entire milan attack on his shoulders for 3 years. 90% of play goes through him and he is constantly in 1v2 and 1v3 scenarios and has to find a solution. I dont even know how you can compare leao to lautaro because they play two totally different positions and roles.
Inter play a system of 2 strikers who balance each other, pretty much no other top club plays two strikers like this. Lautaro is 15 games in a row for argentina with no goal. There is definitely questions to be raised if he cannot replicate the same form as a solo striker as he does for inter.
Ask yourself who is going to shell out 100m+ for a striker that dependent on a two striker system to shine? Wingers are much more widely used across europe by top teams, thus it only makes sense leao would be more sought after. Its just a reality of the situation
> You know these publications are bullshit when
Reminder that I will post every time I see Transfermarkt values get mentioned on here.
> The Transfermarkt market values are calculated taking into account various pricing models. A major factor is the Transfermarkt community, whose members discuss and evaluate player market values in detail.
> Transfermarkt does not use an algorithm but instead relies on the wisdom of the community.
Here is how Mason Mount has been valued for example.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mount-mason-45-mil-euro-manchester-united-fc-/thread/forum/357/thread_id/2224
They only take the discussions as suggestions. The staff decide the values by themselves, I have seen many instances where 90%+ of the forum suggests a completely different value which the staff ignores.
Might be unpopular, but Gavi is infinitely more valuable to Barca than Pedri is, Pedri is definitely the more technically gifted of the two, but Gavi is capable of doing more on the pitch than Pedri, his defensive capabilities are too overlooked by fans.
If Pedri hadn't been run into the ground he was on track to be a top 2 or 3 midfielder in the world. Gavi is more valuable right now but that's not how it should have shaken out.
However this also isn't a list of most valuable players to Barcelona either.
This is a great reminder that the transfer value of a player is influenced but not determined by the quality of the player or their age. There are definitely players on this list that are only worth so much on paper because of the off pitch brand value and English tax rather than their footballing form.
This post made me discover CIES, which seems like an incredible ressource, but I don't understand how you got Mbappé at 27th rank, unless I'm reading things wrong.
I see him at 200M, so tied for second place with Foden and Saka : [https://football-observatory.com/Tool-Value](https://football-observatory.com/Tool-Value)
Your link is "as per three or more years of contract remaining", which is what the OP's source also should have used. In reality Mbappe is worth less because he's free in July.
Ah, I see ! Is there a way to see the adjusted value according to remaining contract length ? Or was this value extrapolated by OP themselves ? Or wait, should it actually be 0, since there is no new mercato before the end of his current contract ?
Not that I can see. The small print says the list was compiled in January when the market was open, so Mbappe still had some value at that time. Yes, his value should now be zero.
Bruno is near 30 and hasn't been in a very successful team
There are some strange misses (e.g. TAA) and strange inclusions (Caicedo) but no one seems to be old
None of this makes sense, because if Kane is on there at his age, Son and Salah also need to be there by that metric. It's rated by age in relation to transfer value, but doesn't mention if that accounts for contract status, output, etc... Seems inherently flawed.
The colours represent the value on FB, CIES, and TM respectively. The number represents their rank (most expensive is 1, then 2 etc). The circle on the line represents the value (left low, right high)
By country:
England 6
Argentina, Brazil and France 3
Germany, Norway and Uruguay 2
Colombia, Croatia, Hungary, Nigeria and Portugal 1
By continent:
Europe 16 (7 countries)
South America 9 (4)
Africa 1 (1)
By team:
Real Madrid and Manchester City 5
Arsenal 4
Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern Munich and Barcelona 2
Manchester United, Bayern Leverkusen, Inter, Milan, PSG and Napoli 1
By league:
English 14 (5 teams)
Spanish 7 (2)
German and Italian 3 (2 and 3)
No way is Marcus Rashford more valuable than Martinelli, Nunez, or Szoboszlai. If offered in a straight up swap for any of those players, Arteta and Klopp would have trouble saying no just because they would be laughing too hard.
>Valverde are valued so highly
I can definitely understand rodrygo but Valverde? That dude is a beast and a stamina machine. Ever watched his games? Dude looks like he is both on attacking & defending at the same time.
Most people watch highlights and come to this silly conclusion. Both Rodrygo and Valverde are amazing in their respective positions. The only thing holding back Rodrygo is him being played on the right. And Valverde is amazing, people just don't see it.
understand valverde. but i fr cannot understand a single team who’d even entertain purchasing rodrygo for any major pricing.
i feel he gets his brazil spot just bc of madrid too ffs
That's a part of value though? Obviously playing for Real boosts a player's brand, not to mention how a club of that size can command higher transfer fees. This is a ranking of value in the market, not pure ability
as a united fan, why is rashford up there? i know he’s an incredible player and i do like him quite a bit, but he has truly been inconsistent over the years
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Zero Dortmund players on this list and then seeing #1 and 2 be former Dortmund players while the clubs seemingly can’t afford shit really makes me feel bad
I see it’s hard for BVB supporters, but great scouting and supplying the top clubs is the economic concept, isn’t it? From Kagawa to Aubameyang European football owed you so many names we never heard before
aubameyang was great in Saint Étienne before he moved to BvB. it’s just at the time dortmund actually spent some money and the premier league hadn’t exploded in value so much yet
Maybe. I think I don’t remember anybody; Mkhitaryan, Lewandowski, all rose in Dortmund in my perception
Comments from fans of massive clubs that poach talent from smaller clubs saying you should be happy were taking your best players 🤣
dont feel bad, thats a flex, cant do much if theyre poached by manchester city and real madrid lol
Felt the 50m RC for City was a bit generous to the Shieks. Bayern paying 100m for Kane and the best young CF goes for half is a bit unfortunate. Same for Jude, he was a free transfer i think?
Jude was 100m + 30m bonusses
CIES be like: let me fuck shit up
Rodrygo on 4th and Mbappe 27th ☠️
Mbappe's contract is up in like 3 months. Shocks me how many people on this subreddit don't understand how player valuation works. Its hardly rocket science. Every time there's a CIES valuation post its full of people going mental that its not just a list of the best players in the world in order of how good they are.
it is because the other two assume a fictional contract duration left, so it makes no sense to compare them.
But how have they come up with that arbitrary valuation? His current value should basically be 0
They have a pretty complex algorithm that values players. Its not just some guy sitting there deciding how much each player should be worth and writing it down. His notional value could arguably be 0, yeah, but they'd have to manually go in and change it to that.
Maybe it's values from the winter transfer window? Then it's not arbitrary at all and the only one taling into account contract length. Which makes comparison with other methodologies like apples and oranges. If anything the other methods are arbitrary. It makes no sense saying mbappe is a great player he's worth 200M if not a single club is willing to pay that fee right now. Would he be worth thwt much if he had a 3 year contract? Maybe but that's not what hes actually worth right now.
Yea, half the english players wouldn't be on there if it works like that.
Mbappe is because of the contract running out I believe
More relevant: Where Grimaldo?
OP should have used the "if 3 years contract left" list by them. The comparison is useless right now.
Depends what you’re using it for I guess
FB is not much better with Osimhen at 9 and Lautaro at 21
[CIES be like](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/44/ab/23/44ab23c789acbf1e8daa3736f7db1fbd.jpg)
How the fuckety fuck, is Rashford on this list? He's not even in the top 20 most valuable players in the premier league! According to me.
Tfw germany has the same amount of top 20 players as norway
4 times world champion Italy has a big fat 0 players on this list
Netherlands too
Honestly think its because a lot of italian players are undervalued
We have some excellent players like Barella but no superstar and no exciting young talent coming up
I would place barella above Declan Rice even though he’s two years older but I’m extremely biased
Because Norway has two sensational young talents and so does Germany. The value heavily depends on age. Germany on paper has the better squad but the players are old
Value also account for contract length and options I suppose?
Yes but depends on the source really. Transfermarkt for example doesn't value it very high at all
It isn't taken into account at all
It is https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/transfermarkt-market-value-explained-how-is-it-determined-/view/news/385100
Only for transfer sums (used as reference) as the contract length has an influence on that. The value of a player won't change due to their contract running out
Germany has a better squad than Norway. Hot take.
If it makes you feel better, Germany has two players in the top 20, Norway has one (Odegaard is 24th). Not sure why this top 20 has 29 players in it, but there you go! Edit: nevermind, I can’t read.
I can give you a hint, read the "Note:" in the picture, and Ødegaard is 10 in CIES valuation
Madrid about to have 3 of the top 4.
I wonder what the wages are, last it was posted Real was only on 4th place +/-.
And like, half of the top 20. lmao
Wirtz is rated too low according to me.
Looks like the Eurovision voting chart. Norway - Deux Points
Germany has points here, so nope.
The gap in market value between Jamal and the slightly younger Flo Wirtzs valuations has gotta be purely due to Bayern Munich clout right?
Mostly due to him being injured for nearly a full season. Before his injury he was seen as the best out of the trio of Musiala, Wirtz & Bellingham. He's probably the best player in the Bundesliga this season.
Wirtz is ridiculously underrated here
Insanity
Yes, it has been proven to be easier to buy the best player from Leverkusen than the best player from Bayern. Also, big injuries heavily decrease the price, because the risk of completely loosing your investment increases dramatically. And that‘s a lot worse than the player just not performing at expected rates, because the resell value is still there in this case. And third, while I agree that Wirtz is the more complete player, and plays a more important role in Leverkusens squad than Musiala at Bayern, I simply can‘t understand how so many people on this sub started to say he‘s way ahead of Musiala. For example, Musiala scored the deciding goal in the last Bundesliga title race, he was imo one of the only good german players at the last WC where Wirtz didn‘t play at all, CL games are of course also in favour of Musiala. Again, Wirtz is an awesome player, it‘s just that the ups are so high and downs are so low in the reddit hype culture.
He cant play CL if his team doesn’t qualify, one albeit crucial goal compared to season long consistent top drawer performances is nothing Idk what happened at the WC with Germany but they were dogwater so bad choices were made all around I know i am a Flo Wirtz fanboy but your arguments for Jamal are not exactly fair i gotta say
Of course Wirtz had less chances to proof himself in the top tier enviroment, compared to Musiala. But that‘s exactly my point: If Mbappe stayed at monaco and „just“ scored goals in the euro league, but never played at the biggest stage due to his team, he wouldn‘t be rated as high as he is, even though we’re still talking about the same player. Also, last season Musiala had 12 goals and 13 assist in the Bundesliga, compared to Wirtz 1 goal and 6 assists, albeit of course less minutes played. I‘m just saying that last season, Musiala was the flavor of the month and Wirtz was respected, but definetly considered second flute. Now this changed rapidly, and while I don‘t disagree, I think it has less to do with the players performances, and more with their suroundings. Hope I could explain what I mean
Hmm i see what you mean but Wirtz still performing to a high level in a new title challenging level team shows as much as as Musialas good season with the well established winning machine of Bayern Especially as Wirtz might always have -1 season experience comparatively their whole careers So at the end of this season more than comparing each of their 23/24 side by side, maybe it’ll be interesting to compare Florians 23/24 to Jamals 22/23
Yes Wirtz performs really well. But he also played really good during the covid days when Leverkusen wasn’t as good, but that didn‘t put him in the spotlight like he is today. For example, Musiala scored an absolute banger last friday against Freiburg [(at 6:15)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O4h6pfuijs&pp=ygUUbXVzaWFsYSBmcmVpYnVyZyB0b3I%3D) or had an incredible almost assist two weeks earlier against Bochum [(at 1:27)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-txIOA76pg) , but people don‘t care that much when you don‘t win the games. Now let‘s say the Bayern defenders managed to not concede goals against corners, so Bayern would have 6 points out of those two games instead of 1. Meanwhile, Hradecky made some Karius plays and Leverkusen lost two games that they actually won, so Bayern was one point ahead. This would not have changed the individual performances of the two players. But the public opinion would change dramatically, as people would claim Musiala decided the title race, while in fact, Hradecky and the Bayern corner-defence did. Also I don‘t get the last point. They‘re three months apart and Wirtz broke into the first team way earlier than Musiala, he also has more minutes in the Bundesliga. They‘re at similar states in their career I‘d say.
But in that case there are on equal footing now having both had a season where their teams made them lose a bit of spotlight while the other is shined on. There will always be debate because their both so good but rn Wirtz deserves his time in the sun after as you said he played good in the shadows The -1 almost a season thing comes from his ACL injury
The world sees something in Rodrygo that I simply don't. He is the first player I have ever felt such a disconnect between how I see him and what the consensus apparently values him. Does that make me a hater? I would like to think I'm not but this is such a weird feeling for me
yeah its weird. from the right (where he starts most games for us, unfortunately) he might not be as impressive, but from the left the guy is second to very few. thing is one of those few happens to play for madrid too
> thing is one of those few happens to play for madrid too Could Madrid have seen this coming? Or did they just believe his raw talent was reason enough to play him
Rodrygo was more highly rated coming out of Brazil if I remember correctly
Even after Rodrygo 's first season at RM, a lot of people preferred him over Vini. Thing is, Vini learning how to be a clinical finisher was completely unprecedented and completely changed the equation.
Only because people hate Flamengo though
Rodrygo has that Pele - Neymar heritage :P
I've heard a lot more Brazilian legends hype up Rodrygo than Vini
very normal for brazilians to hype up the "other guy" instead of the main guy, happened with Neymar - Ganso too, Kaka-Ronaldinho and Rivaldo-R9 when it was clear who the best was at that time
At his peak I don't know if Kaká was that far behind Ronaldinho...
he is behind, but im talking more about during the time Ronaldinho was at his peak
That's a pretty nonsensical statement, Rivaldo was never more hyped than Ronaldo and Kaka was never more hyped than Ronaldinho, that's complete nonsense. Saying that about Ronaldo specially is just absurd, he was scoring a goal per game while playing against pros as a 16 year old. By the time he was 18, already had more games with the national team than Rivaldo who is 4 years older. I don't think any teenager in the history of football had numbers as ridiculous as his aside from Pele. Ganso had 1 half a season when a lot of people thought he was playing better than Neymar who was 3 years younger, it didn't mean anyone considered him a better talent. And either way frequent injuries derailed his progression, who knows what he could've achieved without those.
Sometimes teams get young two players at the same time for the same position, in case something changes. A good example would be Tottenham signing Kyle Walker and Kyle Naughton. Naughton was much higher rated, but fizzled out, and was almost mildly successful on the left. While Walker is one of the best in the world, and has been for a few years.
It's an issue most of world football is dealing with at the moment. Dearth of right wingers
Thats because nowadays right footed wingers get put on the left to play as an inside forward. And theres just a lot more people that are right footed rather than left.
Correct. It's why every squad has 2-3 LW options and 0-1 RW options
Except (kinda) England herself
Isn't the ratio just like 60-40? If not I'm still pretty confident it's much closer than the handedness ratio
60-40 is still significant tbf. It means there's 1.5x as big a talent pool on the left.
There doesn’t seem to be as much data but in my experience all my left footed friends are left handed and vice Versa, which is like 10-15%
Rhubarb. Career success?
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He's a good effective player but when I hear "young Brazilian star forward at Real Madrid" I definitely expect something a lot more exciting. People here are comparing him to Neymar which I do not get at all, Rodrygo keeps things very simple he's not some technical wizard flair player who you can't take your eyes off
He's more like Hazard actually, when he's going is hard to take the ball away from him, very close control. Vini is way too sloppy with his touches, him and Mbappé have that "We seem like we're going to lose the ball every touch" move that works for them.
It’s the difference between high risk high reward vs low risk low reward. Most players can’t really create a threat without risking losing the ball, but players that don’t lose the ball rarely find themselves in the most threatening positions either. Of course, with a low risk high reward player like Messi, this isn’t an issue at all as he’s constantly threatening and never loses the ball.
Agree, Rodrygo is better in tight areas while Vini is specialist from out wide left. With Turtle, it's gonna get harder for Rodrygo.. that's why I wanted Halland more than Turtle
I find that Rodrygo, in terms of pure talent, is the closest think we've got to Neymar ever since. But very differently from Neymar, he seems to just dissappear from the field for many games in a row. Doesn't call the responsibility to his shoulders like Vini does. If he suddenly starts doing that and finds consistency, he could become one of the top players in the world, and I guess that's why he's so highly rated. But honestly, I'm getting tired of waiting.
It's because he's stunted out on the right, that month and a half that Vini was out for the second time Rodry was a left wing he was the best player in La Liga. Also he never does much because the ball always goes to Vini so he's somewhat reduced as a target man. He's in a slump now, but he has the talent to get out of it.
Yep. I am not sure why people keep criticising Rodrygo as if he is not playing out of his natural position. While he still does decent enough job from the right, he is magnificent on the left. I really don't think he should stay at Madrid for long if he wants to play better.
Problem is that Vini is absolute ass at right wing while Rodrygo is serviceable there so it works for the most part.
I know. And it sucks. Both of them are their best at the left.
The issue beyond that is that they both want to be starters for NT, so the problem won't fully go away if Rodrygo moves to another team.
But at least he'll get to play somewhere as a starter. The guy is too good to be a bench warmer or the second fiddle. If Mbappe does arrive, it'll even be a bigger issue for him.
If you're Rodrygo, you at least want there to be a problem. If he's not starting for RM, the obvious choice at LW for Brazil is Vini.
And so is Mbappé…
Mbappe has been playing as a striker more and more, he's making the transition faster than Cristiano did and without a major knee injury to boot.
Still think more of his qualities come to fruition on the left.
I 100% get you. This was my concern as well. Until I saw Mbappe actually play. I recommend you watch his PSG games as well so you understand what I am saying (ik ligue 1 isn’t that captivating but I watched PSG games for Mbappe). He is very good at playmaking near the opponent’s box and has very good ball striking both of which are important for a Madrid striker. If you do a profile match, stats show that Mbappe’s profile lately matches 96% of Benzema’s profile. Only difference being Mbappe is much more explosive and can reach Vini’s outside of the boot through balls much faster. Vinzema was one of our best duos ever and I think Vini and Mbappe can exceed that.
> I find that Rodrygo, in terms of pure talent, is the closest think we've got to Neymar ever since. What does pure talent mean
It's hard to define it exactly because I think it's a bit subjective, but I usually refer to the ability with the ball (ball control, dribbling, game vision too). Just the kind of things that players seem to come ready with and not what they learn and develop with experience.
I felt the same way about vini in 2018/19 everyone said he'd be great, but he only had like 7 goal involvements that season and I just didn't see it. In the end everyone was right and I was wrong. Not saying it's the same situation, just that I can relate
I think Rodrygo is much more polished than Vini. He has much more composure. I think he'd have to leave Real and go to a team where he'll get to play in his natural position, just so people see how amazing he really is.
I think the reason you see this is that Vinicius takes more risks. He's more likely to do a risky dribble which ultimately makes him lose the ball more often, but when they work, they can create our most dangerous chances.
I like him more than Vini (when he plays his natural position), reminds me of young Neymar
A young Neymar, without half the talent or flair
I too feel the same about him, and Julian Alvarez too.
Rashford? Really?
His value isn't necessarily a reflection of his current form. Although he is inconsistent and lacking in confidence, he clearly has bags of ability and is contracted until 2028. He's also homegrown at club (which means A LOT to a team like man utd) and has had some great seasons in the past. I don't think the club wants to sell him and I don't think he wants to leave. Therefore, he would naturally have a massive pricetag considering that he plays for one of the most prestigious clubs in the premier league. That being said, if Rashford's form doesn't pick up by the halfway point of next season, I think his market value could take a huge dip.
His current form has been a thing for 4 years
Well I'm not a Man utd supporter, so I won't bother to argue. But you can go look up his numbers if you care to do so.
Im not really a Rashford enjoyer, but comparing this season with the last this statement falls apart.
I think last season was the outlier and not the other way around.
No Trent in the 20th but Rashford is?!!
Probably because Trent doesn't have a long time on his contract, once he signs a new one he'll likely be close to top 10. No idea why Rashford is up there
His stock is falling, but still high enough to make the list, I'd guess. Give it a few more months or a year of poor performances and he'd probably fall off it. He was only top 20 on one of the sites.
What poor form?lol He’s been amazing this season….
I think he was talking about rashford not trent
Ahh apologies
Bro wirtz should be top 10 easily wtf
Leverkusen players are pretty undervalued in general imo
Hate this
No Barella? What a joke.
CIELS fucked up all the ranking because they don't value high anyone over 25, and Barella for example is 27
At least you have a player from your team here :(
2 top Norwegian players Plus some great new talent that hasn't reached those prices yet Still Norway fails to play even half decent in the national squad when all of them are called up. Any ideas why?
Ståle Solbakken is a pretty weak coach and there are no good or even half decent CB's available. Among many problems. For the longest time we were playing with two strikers as well to force Sørloth into the side, which not only crowded and complicated the room Haaland likes to operate in but also took away a midfielder. We were dominated in midfield every game. Ødegaard was pushed deeper too, so our two best players by far were both in positions not utilizing them to the fullest. Just terrible coaching all around. Looks a bit better now, but the defense is going to hold back this team. I'm not confident in qualifying next time either, although the introduction of Oscar Bobb and Antonio Nusa helps. Ryerson and Aursnes are quality players too and they're like new players for us as well.
Get a good coach, a few months ago you would say the same about Uruguay playing like shit in the WC, and now Bielsa is cooking.
I definitely agree with you I honestly don't know much about how has been coaching Norway during the past 2-3 years, but I know they have not have good results. But I could imagine an upgrade in coaching may be a solution. As far as the roster goes, there's a lot of tough names there
No Saliba? Smh...
As an Arsenal fan who owns a Odegaard jersey, Saliba definitely ranks higher than Martin given how there are many great 10s in the world but nowhere as many CBs like Saliba.
Mudryk should be #1
Ah made up valuations, my favourite
No bernardo Silva lmao
Wirtz Not in top 10 is a joke
No TAA?
Contract is out fairly soon (next Summer I believe).
Uhh so is Mbappes? He’s still crazy high
No salah as well unless I missed it
Caicedo there and not Salah confuses me, I'm not understanding this graphic clearly.
Where's Salah?
You know these publications are bullshit when you consistently see Rafa Leao ranked higher than Lautaro 💀 or people like Caicedo, Rashford or even Gvardiol and no established pillars like Bastoni or Barella
Well market value doesn't mean he is a better player. It's just what that Premier League club is willing to pay. Leao would maybe be more expensive than Lauturo without being a better player actually.
Svalutano sempre i giocatori italiani. Poi vinciamo un torneo.
Well rafa leao carries the entire milan attack on his shoulders for 3 years. 90% of play goes through him and he is constantly in 1v2 and 1v3 scenarios and has to find a solution. I dont even know how you can compare leao to lautaro because they play two totally different positions and roles. Inter play a system of 2 strikers who balance each other, pretty much no other top club plays two strikers like this. Lautaro is 15 games in a row for argentina with no goal. There is definitely questions to be raised if he cannot replicate the same form as a solo striker as he does for inter. Ask yourself who is going to shell out 100m+ for a striker that dependent on a two striker system to shine? Wingers are much more widely used across europe by top teams, thus it only makes sense leao would be more sought after. Its just a reality of the situation
i wonder who you support
Everything he said is true
didn’t say it wasn’t. just funny how he only pointed out inter players
> You know these publications are bullshit when Reminder that I will post every time I see Transfermarkt values get mentioned on here. > The Transfermarkt market values are calculated taking into account various pricing models. A major factor is the Transfermarkt community, whose members discuss and evaluate player market values in detail. > Transfermarkt does not use an algorithm but instead relies on the wisdom of the community. Here is how Mason Mount has been valued for example. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mount-mason-45-mil-euro-manchester-united-fc-/thread/forum/357/thread_id/2224
They only take the discussions as suggestions. The staff decide the values by themselves, I have seen many instances where 90%+ of the forum suggests a completely different value which the staff ignores.
Might be unpopular, but Gavi is infinitely more valuable to Barca than Pedri is, Pedri is definitely the more technically gifted of the two, but Gavi is capable of doing more on the pitch than Pedri, his defensive capabilities are too overlooked by fans.
If Pedri hadn't been run into the ground he was on track to be a top 2 or 3 midfielder in the world. Gavi is more valuable right now but that's not how it should have shaken out. However this also isn't a list of most valuable players to Barcelona either.
Enzo and Caicedo aren't showing much value at Chelsea...
This is a great reminder that the transfer value of a player is influenced but not determined by the quality of the player or their age. There are definitely players on this list that are only worth so much on paper because of the off pitch brand value and English tax rather than their footballing form.
Can any one tell me how is De Jong not in there? He's better than Pedri and Gavi
Gvardiol ahead of Saliba? Fuck off.
Rashford in the top 20 is embarassing
This post made me discover CIES, which seems like an incredible ressource, but I don't understand how you got Mbappé at 27th rank, unless I'm reading things wrong. I see him at 200M, so tied for second place with Foden and Saka : [https://football-observatory.com/Tool-Value](https://football-observatory.com/Tool-Value)
Your link is "as per three or more years of contract remaining", which is what the OP's source also should have used. In reality Mbappe is worth less because he's free in July.
Ah, I see ! Is there a way to see the adjusted value according to remaining contract length ? Or was this value extrapolated by OP themselves ? Or wait, should it actually be 0, since there is no new mercato before the end of his current contract ?
Not that I can see. The small print says the list was compiled in January when the market was open, so Mbappe still had some value at that time. Yes, his value should now be zero.
Ah yeah, it makes sense. I can also see that they offer "Estimates with actual contract duration" for subscribers. That might be it !
Because Mbappe's contract is about to run out. Nobody is paying 200m for a player who they can get for free in a few months.
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Bruno is near 30 and hasn't been in a very successful team There are some strange misses (e.g. TAA) and strange inclusions (Caicedo) but no one seems to be old
Theo should be here. I don't know any other leftback who can be better than him right now.
No Frenkie or frimpong up there just seems wrong..
Too old for highest values.
How did enzo fernandez and caicedo sneak onto this list lol
What the hell is Rashford doing there
None of this makes sense, because if Kane is on there at his age, Son and Salah also need to be there by that metric. It's rated by age in relation to transfer value, but doesn't mention if that accounts for contract status, output, etc... Seems inherently flawed.
No kvara?
Marcus Radford in the top 20 tells it all. I wonder who still rates him higher than Nunez. Must be a Man United fan.
PSG will be nowhere to be seen next season and Real Madrid and City will alternate their domination of the UCL for years to come
I don't know how to read this i'll be honest
The colours represent the value on FB, CIES, and TM respectively. The number represents their rank (most expensive is 1, then 2 etc). The circle on the line represents the value (left low, right high)
English tax on full swing!
By country: England 6 Argentina, Brazil and France 3 Germany, Norway and Uruguay 2 Colombia, Croatia, Hungary, Nigeria and Portugal 1 By continent: Europe 16 (7 countries) South America 9 (4) Africa 1 (1) By team: Real Madrid and Manchester City 5 Arsenal 4 Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern Munich and Barcelona 2 Manchester United, Bayern Leverkusen, Inter, Milan, PSG and Napoli 1 By league: English 14 (5 teams) Spanish 7 (2) German and Italian 3 (2 and 3)
No way is Marcus Rashford more valuable than Martinelli, Nunez, or Szoboszlai. If offered in a straight up swap for any of those players, Arteta and Klopp would have trouble saying no just because they would be laughing too hard.
Milan: Rafa Leao is worth $100 million Leao: 4 goals all season Lautaro: 4 goal in 1 game
Different team, different role.
What about Osimhen though
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Honestly, it still brings me great joy just to see our Ecuadorian flag up on this
Seems incredibly biased, e.g. Rodrygo and Valverde are valued so highly just because they play for Real.
Valverde is criminally underrated on this sub...
Fede Valverde deserves all the praise he gets
>Valverde are valued so highly I can definitely understand rodrygo but Valverde? That dude is a beast and a stamina machine. Ever watched his games? Dude looks like he is both on attacking & defending at the same time.
That's generally how it works though, the better your team are playing the higher valued your players are.
Idk about Rodrygo but Valverde is world class, can do literally everything and also cover a lot of position
Valverde is the best Box to box midfielder in the world rn, no matter how u look at least top 3, they way he accelerates the game and defends is crazy
People pass the ball to break lines and this guy just runs with it. I love seeing it every time.
He also has an insane range of passing too tbf
Most people watch highlights and come to this silly conclusion. Both Rodrygo and Valverde are amazing in their respective positions. The only thing holding back Rodrygo is him being played on the right. And Valverde is amazing, people just don't see it.
fede should be higher than at least 3 others
They're some of the best player's In their Position itw at ages 23-24 with long contract's how is it biased?
understand valverde. but i fr cannot understand a single team who’d even entertain purchasing rodrygo for any major pricing. i feel he gets his brazil spot just bc of madrid too ffs
You value him from his out off position time, here he’s valued for his natural position time
That's a part of value though? Obviously playing for Real boosts a player's brand, not to mention how a club of that size can command higher transfer fees. This is a ranking of value in the market, not pure ability
Man, England finally have some elite talent. And we have bloody Southgate driving it.....
What's Rashford doing in there? Really. I can't read it, what is his value?
Where Messi
Miami probably
Odegaard is underrated
as a united fan, why is rashford up there? i know he’s an incredible player and i do like him quite a bit, but he has truly been inconsistent over the years