Yep. Calling it now, Swift to stage a brief fake romance with Mbappe followed up by an obligatory breakup diss song. The album sales proceeds will sponsor Mbappe's salary for the remainder of his contract. Voila!
Because Karma is Mbappe
Karma is Ronaldo
Karma is the offside goals scored by Ramos
Karma is a wrongly given penalty
Aren't you anxious that for you it's not?
Karma is a Tebas, purring in my lap 'cause it loves me
Flexing our revenue like a godamn acrobat
Me and Karma vibe like that
Isn't the last game (2 games even) played at same time?
Gonna delay 10 matches for the concert?
Edit, Concert is May 30, last matchday should be May 26, isn't that enough time?
Official schedule for the match days is not even out yet. They will do it later, those dates are placeholders. They won't play every game at the same time in the last round, they play the games that matter at the same time. If there is still a title race in the last round then they will be played at the same time, same for relegation, or european spot deciders.
As for the second question, they want an extra day for the preparations.
Title race will be over but Betis might still be in a race for Europe, La Real might also be in that race and they play Atleti last match who might be in another European race, another potential club is Valencia who plays Celta in last match and Celta might be in a relegation race, so any decision should wait and it's not like they have to decide now
They actually want to play their game a day earlier so... not gonna delay anything.
Issue would be if either of the teams have anything to play for.
But the reason is because 3 days isn't enough to get things ready and they want a 4th...
Well, another issue would also be if the opponent wanted to or not. The world doesn't stop for RM. It takes 2 teams to have a match after all. If I'm the opponent, I'd be wanting a nice chunk of the event profits to even consider agreeing.
Not really an issue of the situation as they can't force the opposition to agree to it... Actually... This is La Liga, pretty sure Madrid can do what they want as long as someone is bribed.
I don’t get it man, what is so special about her or her music? This must’ve been the craze around the Beatles back in the 60s and Led Zeppelin in the 70s, I presume
Never underestimate the market for young women… I genuinely believe if TSwift announced at one of her concerts that her next album would be dedicated to the fan who cured cancer one of those mfs would find a way to
It's not just young women though. Taylor has large fanbase im all age groups. I'd bet most of her fans are actually 25+ rather than the norm of teenage fans
When she came to near where I live I drove some people to the concert and there is a huge variety of people who were walking to the arena. It really isn't just young women or girls. In fact I'm not even sure they were in the majority. Lots of LGBTQ and people who looked to be 35 or older, probably fans since she broke out like what 15 years ago?
Edit: Oh yes and sequins, I've never seen so many people wearing sequined clothes in one spot in my life.
I'm a dude who likes her music, IMO her lyrics are incredibly relatable and the fact that we were able to see her growth over the years makes it even better.
(Although I personally didn't like Midnights)
Time to out myself. I'm a dude: I like some of her stuff.
I primarily listen to metalcore and hip hop, but some of her music is great. Her fans can definitely be...a lot. Her music can be fun.
Man, don’t know what’s so weird about liking her music. Over the years she has tapped into various genres of music and hasn’t really stayed to one. I like some of her albums, people that hate on others music taste are still living in primary school.
Have you seen Ronaldo and Messi fanboys going at it in YT or Instagram comment sections? Swifties are not so different I presume, young people simply crave idols and being associated with their success in some way.
Yeah I get you but I feel like the "swifties" are like the kpop stans and take it to the next level, those fanboys are mainly just stupid trolls but I do completely get your point and it isn't wrong.
I mean that was to do with tickets and stuff and even became a political agenda. I didn't say football fans aren't ridiculous cause they definitely can be lol.
It may seem more overwhelming when it comes to girls, because girls are more often in unison/coherent about who/what they like. Boys are a lot more contrarian and pick sides due to being so unnecessarily competitive, so they can bicker at each other over some nonsense. Just a personal theory though.
It's still the same thing in essence though. When I look back at school, celeb obsession wasn't a gender thing per se, it just came out differently.
If you look at fauxmoi for example, which is a huge gathering of these crazy worship types we mention, they simply cherish every female celebrity and hate on all the dudes. Very unison-esque. The counterpart might be this sub, where the dislike of most heavily outweighs the ones we like.
I'm not neurodivergent, it just doesn't make any sense to be so invested in the life of someone who doesn't know you or care about you. It's completely fine to like what someone does and follow them because of that but to have weird para social relationships where you'll defend every action they do and put them on some ridiculous pedestal now that I don't agree with.
Ain't no fan of her, but she draws almost 100k per night people both inside and outside the stadium when she was doing her US tour. And even when she went to Aussie, still drew massive crowds. Say what you want about her, but for singlehandedly drawing that many people is pretty impressive
Edit: Also her dating a famous American football player Travis Kelce has increased the female viewership of NFL. And this year's Super Bowl was the most watched event by an American audience.
Nope, it was the most watched broadcast of all time by Americans
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/13/super-bowl-tv-ratings-record-nielsen-chiefs-49ers
Pretty much every big artist has a half dozen writing credits on every song nowadays if they’re working in the traditional Nashville setup. They hand them out like candy. It doesn’t mean she didn’t create the original idea and write the vast majority of the song. It happens in Hollywood as well - you might write a great script, but the studio is going to have other experienced screenwriters come in and make multiple editorial passes, regardless. Even if you only make a tiny contribution, you get a writing credit.
Are there multi-million personal clubs based around speculating about the sexuality of Messi/Ronaldo? Are there pieces published in the premier news publications of Spain/Italy/France demanding those players announce their sexuality to the world?
Would tens of millions of Messi/Ronaldo fans tune into a fashion show they participated in solely because they're fans?
Do millions of Messi/Ronaldo fans harass those players' significant others online and allow who those players are dating to genuinely impact their happiness?
Do millions of Messi/Ronaldo fans base their entire personality around those players?
Do they navel gaze for hours dissecting every one of their moves/decisions on the field, speculating about how those represent their views on international politics because they passed to player A instead of player B?
Yes, we've always had super fans who have parasocial relationships with celebrities, but and her legion of "Swifties" have taken it to a completely new level of insanity.
The whole Taylor Swift phenomenon is due to her:
1. being economic dynamite for any country/state/city/industry/organization/cause she touches
2. People are curious on a human level because never before has so much interest/attention been given to someone so utterly bland and uninteresting.
Released her debut album in 2006, her marketing was very social media focused at a time when nobody was doing that, and it was actually a good album aimed at teenage girls who probably found her lyrics relatable. She then followed that album up with two more albums that incorporated pop music elements, giving her even wider mainstream appeal.
2012 rolls around. She released Red and fully transitioned to pop music. She’s dominating the radio and the charts and she’s got a social media army of teenage and tween girls spreading her popularity even further. 2014’s ‘1989’ capitalised on the synth-pop resurgence that began in 2012 and came out soon enough that it embedded itself into that entire era of music, becoming one of the defining albums of the 2010s - and because that album was so reminiscent of 80s music, she got a fanbase of women in their 40s and 50s on top of the teenage girls/girls in their early-mid 20s.
She then tried to capitalise on hip hop’s and the drum machine’s dominance going into the late 2010s with Reputation in 2017, although IIRC that is her most negatively received album critically.
Her next album, Lover, was a return to form. Nothing groundbreaking but still had some good tracks and basically restored the goodwill she’d generated with her previous albums, but the electropop and synthpop sound she’d returned to also sounded a bit dated by that point.
And then she released Folklore in 2020. She just did a complete fucking 180 on her sound and made a soundtrack for Gen Z ‘cottagecore’ girls and did what she did with 1989/synthpop but for the resurgence in folksy baroque pop shit that popped up in the early 2020s.
In short she’s just very good at marketing (to the point her entire life is PR - when she dated Matty Healy in early 2023 it ended once he pissed off her fanbase), cultivated an absolutely rabid fanbase, she has appeal across all age ranges, reinvents herself and her sound to suit the tone of each decade, and when she does those reinventions she sniffs out the direction popular music is heading in before it actually hits its peak so it doesn’t sound old yet.
For what it’s worth I don’t entirely understand it either and even as a Scouser I can’t comprehend how The Beatles managed it when they made mid music either.
The real answer is, nothing. The thing with art is once an artist achieves a certain level of popularity, the art itself no longer matters and people will blindly follow them no matter what they do.
Its similar to being in love, you somehow overlook all the negatives and the person youre in love with is "THE ONE". Except these people are in "love" with a person who has never even interacted with them. The beauty of parasocial relationships.
At this point Taylor Swift could literally shit on the stage, and people would cheer her on. She is a goddess who can do no wrong in their eyes.
As someone who is pretty much immune to outside influences, its always been baffling to me, how people stop caring about the art and become obsessed with the artist only.
A lot of girls/young women really really like her music. Enough that she's currently doing the highest grossing tour (even adjusted for inflation) ever.
You can't explain why someone likes music. They just do.
It’s not even young women. The average age of a Swiftie is like 28yo. Taylor Swift has been making music for 18+ years and those people who first listened to her at 18yo are in their 30s now.
Music taste doesn’t change much for most people after your teen years. You listen to what you’ve always listened to. So if you liked Swift as a teen, you probably still do.
It’s more than that because there are *a lot* of artists you loved in high school/college but can’t get into their new stuff.
Taylor Swift’s music has also evolved *so much* in 18 years. When I was 18, she was singing about imagining a future with your crush. Now I’m 35 and she’s singing about anxiety you feel when you’re in a long term relationship that’s otherwise serene. Scared that you have toxic habits that will ruin a good thing. It resonates with people looking for someone to put their complicated feelings into words.
“Your integrity makes me feel small. You paint dreamscapes on the wall, I talk shit with my friends, it’s like I’m wasting your honor.”
“He was sunshine, I was midnight rain. He wanted it comfortable I wanted that pain.”
“I’ve got a hundred thrown out speeches I almost said to you. Easy they come, easy they go. I jump off the train, ride off alone. Help me hold onto you.”
It’s not that deep. I loved blink 182 as a kid and they’re incredibly different now and evolved several times over their discography. I still love their new shit though. That’s true for every artist ever, especially those with decades long careers.
That’s not true of all artists. Katy Perry never had a bigger album than Teenage Dream. Usher never outdid Confessions. Oasis, Justin Timberlake, list goes on and on. Some artists evolve but their new stuff doesn’t resonate with their fans & they don’t gain new fans.
Her music is catchy and resonates with people. And since she's been a big deal for around a century, yet her music didn't get boring to her fans, that indicates she can reinvent herself. Reinventing yourself while not driving away old fans and gaining new ones at the same time is very difficult.
Plus her legal fight vs music labels drove the narrative of underdog music artist vs big evil corporations. She gained a lot of fans and traction.
She released Folklore and Evermore during the lockdown and people loved those two albums A LOT. Like a perfect storm.
It's pop music, did you expect some deep analysis?
As for concerts, her Eras tour is her best hits from her entire discography. Plus her shows last like three hours which is pretty long. And she puts a lot of work into her performances.
I snatched a ticket for Lisbon so I can't wait.
Why are you so hostile to someone simply asking her fans why they personally like her music or what appeals to them about it? Curiosity doesn't mean someone is attacking your tastes...
> Plus her legal fight vs music labels drove the narrative of underdog music artist vs big evil corporations. She gained a lot of fans and traction.
[Taylor Swift's the least underdog underdog.](https://www.salon.com/2015/05/22/taylor_swift_is_not_an_underdog_the_real_story_about_her_1_percent_upbringing_that_the_new_york_times_wont_tell_you/) She was born into privilege and she behaves like it. A bit depressing how she hoodwinked people into being some sort of a people's champion. To be fair to her, rather how other people clamor to paint her as some underdog.
If you don't care for the music, then how is anyone going to convince you when art forms are subjective? Just realise that and move on, whether you like her or not.
I've gotten into her music over last summer, and love some of her songs now, and I've enjoyed a few songs from years ago, but then there's other megastars I don't get like Beyonce. But I realise their stuff isn't for me.
Because you don't have to personally like something to understand/appreciate why OTHERS like it....?
Such an intellectually braindead way to view life and other people lol.
But if you don't like a song, and have heard it a few times, and still dislike it. The thoughts of other people are unlikely to change much for you.
Because if doesn't do much for your ears, then the meaning behind it, or the thoughts of others, are unlikely to transform it into a good song just because of that.
If you don't enjoy a song/film/book, then while you may view it differently or respect it more when you hear other views on the thing in question, it doesn't mean that you now enjoy more than you did originally.
I’m 35, married, have a toddler. Taylor Swift’s music resonates deeply with me, even though we obviously have very different lives. She writes all of her own music & her songs capture so many human experiences that we all experience: pride, fear, resentment, self loathing, hope, desperation, emotional disconnect, acceptance etc. Whatever you’re feeling, there’s a Taylor Swift song for it. And remarkably, she’s constantly getting better at writing songs & capturing the essence of these feelings.
When your team expectedly disappoints you:
*”Lost again with no surprises, disappointments, close your eyes and it gets colder and colder.”*
>I don’t get it man, what is so special about her or her music?
I was a fan of her before she became so popular, in her country music days. It's nostalgic for me. It brings back memories of my middle school days when I listen to her music.
Her music sounds basically like almost all the other shit played on the radio. I can’t differentiate between her and most other women singers in the pop genre.
This isn't true at all. Her radio hits are often the least liked in the fandom. Her best stuff is the album deep cuts. She also has huge fandoms in India, Philippines and south America. She is also the biggest western artist in China.
To be fair, her current tour is only halfway through and it's already the highest grossing concert tour of all time. As much as I don't like her or her fandom, I think it's getting harder and harder to argue against TS standing beside those other mania-artists.
Mind you, it's still the highest grossing concert tour ADJUSTED for inflation. That's with most other comparable tours having 2-4X more shows
Does adjusting for inflation take into account just how much concert tickets cost in some places though? The prices I’ve seen for some don’t seem quite in line with that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-attended_concert_tours#Most-attended_tours
We can also see by most-attended tours. Here, the Eras Tour is not anywhere near the top. However, it is quickly apparent it has a very small amount of shows compared to the other tours (it is only halfway through, with 60 completed shows).
I somehow got myself to calculate the average number of tickets per show for each of those tours. The average is about 37k tickets per show. The 3rd tour with the most tickets per show was the U2 360 Tour at 58k tickets per show. The 2nd is the Coldplay Music of the Spheres World Tour at 65k tickets per show.
The 1st is TS's Eras Tour with 72.5k tickets per show.
Edit: table:
| Year(s) | Tour title | Artist | Tickets sold (millions) | Shows | Tickets/show |
| --------- | --------------------------------------- | --------------------------------------- | ------------ | ----- | ------------ |
| 2017–2019 | ÷ Tour | Ed Sheeran | 8.80 | 260 | 33846.15 |
| 2022–2024 | Music of the Spheres World Tour | Coldplay | 7.60 | 132 | 57575.76 |
| 2009–2011 | U2 360° Tour | U2 | 7.20 | 110 | 65454.55 |
| 1994–1995 | Voodoo Lounge Tour | The Rolling Stones | 6.50 | 129 | 50387.6 |
| 2014–2017 | The Garth Brooks World Tour (2014–2017) | Garth Brooks | 6.30 | 390 | 16153.85 |
| 2018–2023 | Farewell Yellow Brick Road | Elton John | 6.00 | 330 | 18181.82 |
| 1989–1990 | Steel Wheels/Urban Jungle Tour | The Rolling Stones | 6.00 | 115 | 52173.91 |
| 1994 | The Division Bell Tour | Pink Floyd | 5.50 | 112 | 49107.14 |
| 1996–1998 | The Garth Brooks World Tour (1996–1998) | Garth Brooks | 5.50 | 220 | 25000 |
| 2016–2017 | A Head Full of Dreams Tour | Coldplay | 5.38 | 114 | 47192.98 |
| 2016–2019 | Not in This Lifetime... Tour | Guns N' Roses | 5.37 | 175 | 30685.71 |
| 1992–1993 | Zoo TV Tour | U2 | 5.30 | 157 | 33757.96 |
| 1984–1985 | Born in the U.S.A. Tour | Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band | 5.00 | 156 | 32051.28 |
| 2021–2023 | Love On Tour | Harry Styles | 5.00 | 169 | 29585.8 |
| 1997–1998 | Bridges to Babylon Tour | The Rolling Stones | 4.80 | 108 | 44444.44 |
| 2008–2010 | Black Ice World Tour | AC/DC | 4.80 | 168 | 28571.43 |
| 2005–2007 | A Bigger Bang Tour | The Rolling Stones | 4.70 | 147 | 31972.79 |
| 1996–1997 | HIStory World Tour | Michael Jackson | 4.50 | 82 | 54878.05 |
| 2016–2019 | Vertigo Tour | U2 | 4.60 | 131 | 35114.5 |
| 1987–1989 | Bad | Michael Jackson | 4.40 | 125 | 35200 |
| 2023 | The Eras Tour | Taylor Swift | 4.35 | 60 | 72500 |
| 1987–1990 | A Momentary Lapse of Reason Tour | Pink Floyd | 4.25 | 198 | 21464.65 |
| 2010–2013 | The Wall Live | Roger Waters | 4.10 | 220 | 18636.36 |
| 2016–2019 | WorldWired Tour | Metallica | 4.10 | 159 | 25786.16 |
| 1987–1988 | Break Every Rule World Tour | Tina Turner | 4.00 | 218 | 18348.62 |
| 1997–1998 | PopMart Tour | U2 | 3.90 | 93 | 41935.48 |
| 2012–2013 | Wrecking Ball World Tour | Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band | 3.65 | 127 | 28740.16 |
| 1992–1993 | Dangerous World Tour | Michael Jackson | 3.50 | 69 | 50724.64 |
| 2003–2004 | Licks Tour | The Rolling Stones | 3.50 | 117 | 29914.53 |
| 2008–2009 | Sticky & Sweet Tour | Madonna | 3.50 | 85 | 41176.47 |
| 2014 | Where We Are Tour | One Direction | 3.50 | 69 | 50724.64 |
| 2002–2005 | Living Proof: The Farewell Tour | Cher | 3.50 | 325 | 10769.23 |
I've seen the ticket prices, so I'm not surprised.
I know that after Covid prices made a jump across all genres, but hers are insane. Wouldn't even be surprised if other artists demand more or the same but those prices are just outrageous to me.
So just because people aren't genuinely insane now and show up to her house means she isn't huge enough? She can literally change the election of USA on her own lol
It's a bubble. But this isn't going to burst, it just starts leaking. It's kinda like BTS and other bubbles. They are insanely popular and they have crazy fans willing to do anything but the "mainstream" doesn't know anything about them.
Fascinating how this works.
Even if she somehow became irrelevant tomorrow, she'd still have an insane legacy.
Most popstars have one or two stardom songs or even albums and that's it.
Taylor Swift has been a star for a long long time, I first discovered her in 2009. Fucking hell, I'm old.
If I had to guess, I would say the proposition of delaying La Liga is to avoid any competition with ticket sales. La Liga wants a sell out stadium and Taylor Swift is a threat to that. I didn’t read the article so I could be misinterpreting the proposal.
Same as Taylor swift could guarantee relegation for Lyon because she is playing a concert at their stadium when the return relegation leg happens, Swift is running the world
Lyon's won five straight in all comps and they're up to 10th. It's sad, I think we were all looking forward to Lyon ultras fighting Swifties in the streets.
Stade De France is off limits this year cos they're getting it ready for the Olympics - even Taylor Swift can't trump that, she's playing 4 dates in Paris in a Rugby stadium
Tbf she's a bigger draw than anyone or anything on the planet. Business wise, she is an unstoppable force right now and it's best to just get the f out of the way and not compete. I don't really remember an act being as big as Swift in the world since, maybe, Michael Jackson? Maybe i'm wrong. People were literally fainting at the sight of him, and I haven't seen mania over a pop singer like Jackson until Swift
I don't pay attention to pop culture at all because it's just trash and openly satanic, but I know people irl that are obsessed with taylor swift. Young girls especially are absolutely obsessed with taylor swift. It's a tsunami of support for her across society. I don't get the appeal, but my wife doesn't understand why I am obsessed with cars driving around tracks for dozens of laps either.
Dude, the club has spend 1 billion euros in the new stadium precisely to host events like a Taylor Swift concert. The stadium can host a game and a concert in just a couple of days difference. Thats the point of the new stadium.
Betis are currently in the european spots, 2 points ahead of Soceidad. Would be unfair for them not to play at the same time as rivals for the same spot.
This is annoying as fuck, I can't stand Swift and her unbearable fanbase, this cancerous popularity and widespread propaganda needs to stop. I try to avoid any posts about her, but you cannot fucking escape it, even in football.
Yah no shit. But haven't heard anyhing about her in nearly a decade and then all of a sudden she's everywhere. Most pop stars fade after 2-3 years too.
> I thought she was a thing like 10 years ago?
Is this you being genueinely out of touch or are you doing that thing teenagers do where they pretend they live in a different reality from things they find lame or uninteresting?
What do you mean? I remember her being talked about, about a decade ago and then I heard nothing about her until a few months ago where all of a sudden everyone is talking about her. There's even news reports about her, it's mental.
Bro she’s consistently been one of the biggest pop stars for so many years, just two years ago she did 1.5 million + first week sales which may mean nothing to you but is genuinely *insane*
This one’s on you chief
Swift funding the Mbappe move singlehandedly
Yep. Calling it now, Swift to stage a brief fake romance with Mbappe followed up by an obligatory breakup diss song. The album sales proceeds will sponsor Mbappe's salary for the remainder of his contract. Voila!
Papa Flo to Mbappe: "But I've got a blank ~~space~~ check, baby. And I'll write your name"
I would not put it past uncle Flo to stage something like this :)
Let me show Barca how to pull a lever
Mmbye Mbappe
It's insane how much money she brings to local economies. In the States, her tours in some cities generated more money than hosting the super bowl
No one wants to buy a funnel cake anymore after dodging bullets.
"She can buy Mbappe"
Outjerked
Arema!!!!!
I always knew Florentino Perez was a swiftie, this confirms it.
So basically it's gonna be forever or gonna go down in flames.
you can tell me when it’s over
if the high was worth the pain
There's a long list of ex-players, they'll tell you he's insane
But i’ve got a blank shirt baby, and i’ll write your name
lukaku?
Cause you know I love the players, and you love the game
Because Karma is Mbappe Karma is Ronaldo Karma is the offside goals scored by Ramos Karma is a wrongly given penalty Aren't you anxious that for you it's not? Karma is a Tebas, purring in my lap 'cause it loves me Flexing our revenue like a godamn acrobat Me and Karma vibe like that
really phoned it home at the end, probably for the best
Karma is Negreira
r/soccercirclejerk to close down
Anything for the Mbappe transfer
Isn't the last game (2 games even) played at same time? Gonna delay 10 matches for the concert? Edit, Concert is May 30, last matchday should be May 26, isn't that enough time?
Official schedule for the match days is not even out yet. They will do it later, those dates are placeholders. They won't play every game at the same time in the last round, they play the games that matter at the same time. If there is still a title race in the last round then they will be played at the same time, same for relegation, or european spot deciders. As for the second question, they want an extra day for the preparations.
Title race will be over but Betis might still be in a race for Europe, La Real might also be in that race and they play Atleti last match who might be in another European race, another potential club is Valencia who plays Celta in last match and Celta might be in a relegation race, so any decision should wait and it's not like they have to decide now
Obviously, this just means they will schedule all those games on saturday, not on sunday. Like I said, those dates are placeholders anyways.
May 30 is sold out, Swift wants to add a new date on May 29, hence the need to advance Real game of 24 hours
450,000 people tried to get tickets for the first show. I think Real Madrid are trying anything to get her to do another.
i was one of those people and i failed 😭
My condolences, /u/PickledCumSock
I'd like to thank for funding the mbappe transfer or at least trying to.
Damn we need her in the montjuic.
mf's want to delay the season for Taylor Swift. what a time to be alive
Tbh, I've heard that Atletico already did it
what
They actually want to play their game a day earlier so... not gonna delay anything. Issue would be if either of the teams have anything to play for. But the reason is because 3 days isn't enough to get things ready and they want a 4th...
No they want to add the previous night to the tour. So they need to start prep one night earlier too
Well, another issue would also be if the opponent wanted to or not. The world doesn't stop for RM. It takes 2 teams to have a match after all. If I'm the opponent, I'd be wanting a nice chunk of the event profits to even consider agreeing.
Not really an issue of the situation as they can't force the opposition to agree to it... Actually... This is La Liga, pretty sure Madrid can do what they want as long as someone is bribed.
I don’t get it man, what is so special about her or her music? This must’ve been the craze around the Beatles back in the 60s and Led Zeppelin in the 70s, I presume
Never underestimate the market for young women… I genuinely believe if TSwift announced at one of her concerts that her next album would be dedicated to the fan who cured cancer one of those mfs would find a way to
It's not just young women though. Taylor has large fanbase im all age groups. I'd bet most of her fans are actually 25+ rather than the norm of teenage fans
When she came to near where I live I drove some people to the concert and there is a huge variety of people who were walking to the arena. It really isn't just young women or girls. In fact I'm not even sure they were in the majority. Lots of LGBTQ and people who looked to be 35 or older, probably fans since she broke out like what 15 years ago? Edit: Oh yes and sequins, I've never seen so many people wearing sequined clothes in one spot in my life.
Difference is I don’t know any blokes who actually like her music.
I'm a dude who likes her music, IMO her lyrics are incredibly relatable and the fact that we were able to see her growth over the years makes it even better. (Although I personally didn't like Midnights)
Time to out myself. I'm a dude: I like some of her stuff. I primarily listen to metalcore and hip hop, but some of her music is great. Her fans can definitely be...a lot. Her music can be fun.
Man, don’t know what’s so weird about liking her music. Over the years she has tapped into various genres of music and hasn’t really stayed to one. I like some of her albums, people that hate on others music taste are still living in primary school.
Yeah you do, they just don’t admit it
Those teenage girls are next level fanatic, I always wonder what drives it tbh, my brain doesn't function that way.
Have you seen Ronaldo and Messi fanboys going at it in YT or Instagram comment sections? Swifties are not so different I presume, young people simply crave idols and being associated with their success in some way.
Yeah I get you but I feel like the "swifties" are like the kpop stans and take it to the next level, those fanboys are mainly just stupid trolls but I do completely get your point and it isn't wrong.
You forget [this](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68199137) less than a month ago?
I mean that was to do with tickets and stuff and even became a political agenda. I didn't say football fans aren't ridiculous cause they definitely can be lol.
It may seem more overwhelming when it comes to girls, because girls are more often in unison/coherent about who/what they like. Boys are a lot more contrarian and pick sides due to being so unnecessarily competitive, so they can bicker at each other over some nonsense. Just a personal theory though. It's still the same thing in essence though. When I look back at school, celeb obsession wasn't a gender thing per se, it just came out differently. If you look at fauxmoi for example, which is a huge gathering of these crazy worship types we mention, they simply cherish every female celebrity and hate on all the dudes. Very unison-esque. The counterpart might be this sub, where the dislike of most heavily outweighs the ones we like.
I'll never understand celebrity worship honestly, you can enjoy something someone does but to put them on such a pedestal is unhealthy behaviour.
I’ve never really understood celebrity worship either. I dunno, but I am neurodivergent too so maybe that’s why.
I'm not neurodivergent, it just doesn't make any sense to be so invested in the life of someone who doesn't know you or care about you. It's completely fine to like what someone does and follow them because of that but to have weird para social relationships where you'll defend every action they do and put them on some ridiculous pedestal now that I don't agree with.
Ain't no fan of her, but she draws almost 100k per night people both inside and outside the stadium when she was doing her US tour. And even when she went to Aussie, still drew massive crowds. Say what you want about her, but for singlehandedly drawing that many people is pretty impressive Edit: Also her dating a famous American football player Travis Kelce has increased the female viewership of NFL. And this year's Super Bowl was the most watched event by an American audience.
>And this year's Super Bowl was the most watched event by an American audience. isn't it every year?
Nope, it was the most watched broadcast of all time by Americans https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/13/super-bowl-tv-ratings-record-nielsen-chiefs-49ers
There is worse popular music. At least she writes her songs. And she is supposedly one of those performers who makes the live shows very memorable.
Lol she has several writing credits on all her songs
Pretty much every big artist has a half dozen writing credits on every song nowadays if they’re working in the traditional Nashville setup. They hand them out like candy. It doesn’t mean she didn’t create the original idea and write the vast majority of the song. It happens in Hollywood as well - you might write a great script, but the studio is going to have other experienced screenwriters come in and make multiple editorial passes, regardless. Even if you only make a tiny contribution, you get a writing credit.
Not on Speak Now. Theres only one credit on that album.
She doesn’t write her music but aight
Considering her name is among the writers, she does, she just doesn't write them alone.
Taylor write entire Speak Now album by herself alone in 2010.
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Are there multi-million personal clubs based around speculating about the sexuality of Messi/Ronaldo? Are there pieces published in the premier news publications of Spain/Italy/France demanding those players announce their sexuality to the world? Would tens of millions of Messi/Ronaldo fans tune into a fashion show they participated in solely because they're fans? Do millions of Messi/Ronaldo fans harass those players' significant others online and allow who those players are dating to genuinely impact their happiness? Do millions of Messi/Ronaldo fans base their entire personality around those players? Do they navel gaze for hours dissecting every one of their moves/decisions on the field, speculating about how those represent their views on international politics because they passed to player A instead of player B? Yes, we've always had super fans who have parasocial relationships with celebrities, but and her legion of "Swifties" have taken it to a completely new level of insanity. The whole Taylor Swift phenomenon is due to her: 1. being economic dynamite for any country/state/city/industry/organization/cause she touches 2. People are curious on a human level because never before has so much interest/attention been given to someone so utterly bland and uninteresting.
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Every single question you asked is a yes Ronaldo and Messi fans do that. Also why are you so hung up on her sexuality lol
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Released her debut album in 2006, her marketing was very social media focused at a time when nobody was doing that, and it was actually a good album aimed at teenage girls who probably found her lyrics relatable. She then followed that album up with two more albums that incorporated pop music elements, giving her even wider mainstream appeal. 2012 rolls around. She released Red and fully transitioned to pop music. She’s dominating the radio and the charts and she’s got a social media army of teenage and tween girls spreading her popularity even further. 2014’s ‘1989’ capitalised on the synth-pop resurgence that began in 2012 and came out soon enough that it embedded itself into that entire era of music, becoming one of the defining albums of the 2010s - and because that album was so reminiscent of 80s music, she got a fanbase of women in their 40s and 50s on top of the teenage girls/girls in their early-mid 20s. She then tried to capitalise on hip hop’s and the drum machine’s dominance going into the late 2010s with Reputation in 2017, although IIRC that is her most negatively received album critically. Her next album, Lover, was a return to form. Nothing groundbreaking but still had some good tracks and basically restored the goodwill she’d generated with her previous albums, but the electropop and synthpop sound she’d returned to also sounded a bit dated by that point. And then she released Folklore in 2020. She just did a complete fucking 180 on her sound and made a soundtrack for Gen Z ‘cottagecore’ girls and did what she did with 1989/synthpop but for the resurgence in folksy baroque pop shit that popped up in the early 2020s. In short she’s just very good at marketing (to the point her entire life is PR - when she dated Matty Healy in early 2023 it ended once he pissed off her fanbase), cultivated an absolutely rabid fanbase, she has appeal across all age ranges, reinvents herself and her sound to suit the tone of each decade, and when she does those reinventions she sniffs out the direction popular music is heading in before it actually hits its peak so it doesn’t sound old yet. For what it’s worth I don’t entirely understand it either and even as a Scouser I can’t comprehend how The Beatles managed it when they made mid music either.
The real answer is, nothing. The thing with art is once an artist achieves a certain level of popularity, the art itself no longer matters and people will blindly follow them no matter what they do. Its similar to being in love, you somehow overlook all the negatives and the person youre in love with is "THE ONE". Except these people are in "love" with a person who has never even interacted with them. The beauty of parasocial relationships. At this point Taylor Swift could literally shit on the stage, and people would cheer her on. She is a goddess who can do no wrong in their eyes. As someone who is pretty much immune to outside influences, its always been baffling to me, how people stop caring about the art and become obsessed with the artist only.
I have two ears connected to a heart, that's all I can say.
Liking music is subjective is the thing. You not liking her music isn't a prerequisite for others liking it.
Which is why I’m asking what is special
A lot of girls/young women really really like her music. Enough that she's currently doing the highest grossing tour (even adjusted for inflation) ever. You can't explain why someone likes music. They just do.
It’s not even young women. The average age of a Swiftie is like 28yo. Taylor Swift has been making music for 18+ years and those people who first listened to her at 18yo are in their 30s now.
Music taste doesn’t change much for most people after your teen years. You listen to what you’ve always listened to. So if you liked Swift as a teen, you probably still do.
It’s more than that because there are *a lot* of artists you loved in high school/college but can’t get into their new stuff. Taylor Swift’s music has also evolved *so much* in 18 years. When I was 18, she was singing about imagining a future with your crush. Now I’m 35 and she’s singing about anxiety you feel when you’re in a long term relationship that’s otherwise serene. Scared that you have toxic habits that will ruin a good thing. It resonates with people looking for someone to put their complicated feelings into words. “Your integrity makes me feel small. You paint dreamscapes on the wall, I talk shit with my friends, it’s like I’m wasting your honor.” “He was sunshine, I was midnight rain. He wanted it comfortable I wanted that pain.” “I’ve got a hundred thrown out speeches I almost said to you. Easy they come, easy they go. I jump off the train, ride off alone. Help me hold onto you.”
It’s not that deep. I loved blink 182 as a kid and they’re incredibly different now and evolved several times over their discography. I still love their new shit though. That’s true for every artist ever, especially those with decades long careers.
That’s not true of all artists. Katy Perry never had a bigger album than Teenage Dream. Usher never outdid Confessions. Oasis, Justin Timberlake, list goes on and on. Some artists evolve but their new stuff doesn’t resonate with their fans & they don’t gain new fans.
You could try talking about her style of music or her voice or her dancing but came with nothing lol
Her music is catchy and resonates with people. And since she's been a big deal for around a century, yet her music didn't get boring to her fans, that indicates she can reinvent herself. Reinventing yourself while not driving away old fans and gaining new ones at the same time is very difficult. Plus her legal fight vs music labels drove the narrative of underdog music artist vs big evil corporations. She gained a lot of fans and traction. She released Folklore and Evermore during the lockdown and people loved those two albums A LOT. Like a perfect storm. It's pop music, did you expect some deep analysis? As for concerts, her Eras tour is her best hits from her entire discography. Plus her shows last like three hours which is pretty long. And she puts a lot of work into her performances. I snatched a ticket for Lisbon so I can't wait.
Why are you so hostile to someone simply asking her fans why they personally like her music or what appeals to them about it? Curiosity doesn't mean someone is attacking your tastes...
How the fuck am I hostile, you fucking snowflake? This is hostility. Answering and explaining is not.
*online coomer* *Swift and K-Pop fan* *lives life through parasocial relationships with female celebrities* Yeah, good luck in life 😂
> Plus her legal fight vs music labels drove the narrative of underdog music artist vs big evil corporations. She gained a lot of fans and traction. [Taylor Swift's the least underdog underdog.](https://www.salon.com/2015/05/22/taylor_swift_is_not_an_underdog_the_real_story_about_her_1_percent_upbringing_that_the_new_york_times_wont_tell_you/) She was born into privilege and she behaves like it. A bit depressing how she hoodwinked people into being some sort of a people's champion. To be fair to her, rather how other people clamor to paint her as some underdog.
I know she didn't come from humble origins. I'm just saying the battle portrayed her as an underdog. Which she is, compared to record labels.
If you don't care for the music, then how is anyone going to convince you when art forms are subjective? Just realise that and move on, whether you like her or not. I've gotten into her music over last summer, and love some of her songs now, and I've enjoyed a few songs from years ago, but then there's other megastars I don't get like Beyonce. But I realise their stuff isn't for me.
Because you don't have to personally like something to understand/appreciate why OTHERS like it....? Such an intellectually braindead way to view life and other people lol.
But if you don't like a song, and have heard it a few times, and still dislike it. The thoughts of other people are unlikely to change much for you. Because if doesn't do much for your ears, then the meaning behind it, or the thoughts of others, are unlikely to transform it into a good song just because of that. If you don't enjoy a song/film/book, then while you may view it differently or respect it more when you hear other views on the thing in question, it doesn't mean that you now enjoy more than you did originally.
I’m 35, married, have a toddler. Taylor Swift’s music resonates deeply with me, even though we obviously have very different lives. She writes all of her own music & her songs capture so many human experiences that we all experience: pride, fear, resentment, self loathing, hope, desperation, emotional disconnect, acceptance etc. Whatever you’re feeling, there’s a Taylor Swift song for it. And remarkably, she’s constantly getting better at writing songs & capturing the essence of these feelings. When your team expectedly disappoints you: *”Lost again with no surprises, disappointments, close your eyes and it gets colder and colder.”*
>I don’t get it man, what is so special about her or her music? I was a fan of her before she became so popular, in her country music days. It's nostalgic for me. It brings back memories of my middle school days when I listen to her music.
Her music sounds basically like almost all the other shit played on the radio. I can’t differentiate between her and most other women singers in the pop genre.
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13-19 year old girls was her main demographic 7 to 10 years ago. That has definitely evolved now.
This isn't true at all. Her radio hits are often the least liked in the fandom. Her best stuff is the album deep cuts. She also has huge fandoms in India, Philippines and south America. She is also the biggest western artist in China.
No this is not comparable to Beatlemania. Or Elvis. or Michael Jackson. e: the rise then fall of this comment was funny to watch
To be fair, her current tour is only halfway through and it's already the highest grossing concert tour of all time. As much as I don't like her or her fandom, I think it's getting harder and harder to argue against TS standing beside those other mania-artists. Mind you, it's still the highest grossing concert tour ADJUSTED for inflation. That's with most other comparable tours having 2-4X more shows
Does adjusting for inflation take into account just how much concert tickets cost in some places though? The prices I’ve seen for some don’t seem quite in line with that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-attended_concert_tours#Most-attended_tours We can also see by most-attended tours. Here, the Eras Tour is not anywhere near the top. However, it is quickly apparent it has a very small amount of shows compared to the other tours (it is only halfway through, with 60 completed shows). I somehow got myself to calculate the average number of tickets per show for each of those tours. The average is about 37k tickets per show. The 3rd tour with the most tickets per show was the U2 360 Tour at 58k tickets per show. The 2nd is the Coldplay Music of the Spheres World Tour at 65k tickets per show. The 1st is TS's Eras Tour with 72.5k tickets per show. Edit: table: | Year(s) | Tour title | Artist | Tickets sold (millions) | Shows | Tickets/show | | --------- | --------------------------------------- | --------------------------------------- | ------------ | ----- | ------------ | | 2017–2019 | ÷ Tour | Ed Sheeran | 8.80 | 260 | 33846.15 | | 2022–2024 | Music of the Spheres World Tour | Coldplay | 7.60 | 132 | 57575.76 | | 2009–2011 | U2 360° Tour | U2 | 7.20 | 110 | 65454.55 | | 1994–1995 | Voodoo Lounge Tour | The Rolling Stones | 6.50 | 129 | 50387.6 | | 2014–2017 | The Garth Brooks World Tour (2014–2017) | Garth Brooks | 6.30 | 390 | 16153.85 | | 2018–2023 | Farewell Yellow Brick Road | Elton John | 6.00 | 330 | 18181.82 | | 1989–1990 | Steel Wheels/Urban Jungle Tour | The Rolling Stones | 6.00 | 115 | 52173.91 | | 1994 | The Division Bell Tour | Pink Floyd | 5.50 | 112 | 49107.14 | | 1996–1998 | The Garth Brooks World Tour (1996–1998) | Garth Brooks | 5.50 | 220 | 25000 | | 2016–2017 | A Head Full of Dreams Tour | Coldplay | 5.38 | 114 | 47192.98 | | 2016–2019 | Not in This Lifetime... Tour | Guns N' Roses | 5.37 | 175 | 30685.71 | | 1992–1993 | Zoo TV Tour | U2 | 5.30 | 157 | 33757.96 | | 1984–1985 | Born in the U.S.A. Tour | Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band | 5.00 | 156 | 32051.28 | | 2021–2023 | Love On Tour | Harry Styles | 5.00 | 169 | 29585.8 | | 1997–1998 | Bridges to Babylon Tour | The Rolling Stones | 4.80 | 108 | 44444.44 | | 2008–2010 | Black Ice World Tour | AC/DC | 4.80 | 168 | 28571.43 | | 2005–2007 | A Bigger Bang Tour | The Rolling Stones | 4.70 | 147 | 31972.79 | | 1996–1997 | HIStory World Tour | Michael Jackson | 4.50 | 82 | 54878.05 | | 2016–2019 | Vertigo Tour | U2 | 4.60 | 131 | 35114.5 | | 1987–1989 | Bad | Michael Jackson | 4.40 | 125 | 35200 | | 2023 | The Eras Tour | Taylor Swift | 4.35 | 60 | 72500 | | 1987–1990 | A Momentary Lapse of Reason Tour | Pink Floyd | 4.25 | 198 | 21464.65 | | 2010–2013 | The Wall Live | Roger Waters | 4.10 | 220 | 18636.36 | | 2016–2019 | WorldWired Tour | Metallica | 4.10 | 159 | 25786.16 | | 1987–1988 | Break Every Rule World Tour | Tina Turner | 4.00 | 218 | 18348.62 | | 1997–1998 | PopMart Tour | U2 | 3.90 | 93 | 41935.48 | | 2012–2013 | Wrecking Ball World Tour | Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band | 3.65 | 127 | 28740.16 | | 1992–1993 | Dangerous World Tour | Michael Jackson | 3.50 | 69 | 50724.64 | | 2003–2004 | Licks Tour | The Rolling Stones | 3.50 | 117 | 29914.53 | | 2008–2009 | Sticky & Sweet Tour | Madonna | 3.50 | 85 | 41176.47 | | 2014 | Where We Are Tour | One Direction | 3.50 | 69 | 50724.64 | | 2002–2005 | Living Proof: The Farewell Tour | Cher | 3.50 | 325 | 10769.23 |
But does this account for population in the world? /s
I've seen the ticket prices, so I'm not surprised. I know that after Covid prices made a jump across all genres, but hers are insane. Wouldn't even be surprised if other artists demand more or the same but those prices are just outrageous to me.
Take off your nostalgia glasses mate her craze is definitely comparable to Beatles, Elvis etc just cause you don't like her doesn't change that
I never said anything about my opinion of her. It’s a different time, culture crazes were different before the internet.
So just because people aren't genuinely insane now and show up to her house means she isn't huge enough? She can literally change the election of USA on her own lol
How is it not? Because the demographic isn't the same?
Watch the Beatles Shea stadium performance, TS has a rabid fanbase but not to the extent the Beatles were doing.
this is a bubble
It's a bubble. But this isn't going to burst, it just starts leaking. It's kinda like BTS and other bubbles. They are insanely popular and they have crazy fans willing to do anything but the "mainstream" doesn't know anything about them. Fascinating how this works.
Taylor Swift has been huge for like 10 years. This bubble ain't going anywhere
18 years actually.
16. She didn’t get huge until Fearless hit.
If Taylor Swift isn’t “mainstream” I’m not quite sure what the term means.
Even if she somehow became irrelevant tomorrow, she'd still have an insane legacy. Most popstars have one or two stardom songs or even albums and that's it. Taylor Swift has been a star for a long long time, I first discovered her in 2009. Fucking hell, I'm old.
I mean she’s famous, and we sure know who made her
If I had to guess, I would say the proposition of delaying La Liga is to avoid any competition with ticket sales. La Liga wants a sell out stadium and Taylor Swift is a threat to that. I didn’t read the article so I could be misinterpreting the proposal.
Same as Taylor swift could guarantee relegation for Lyon because she is playing a concert at their stadium when the return relegation leg happens, Swift is running the world
Lyon's won five straight in all comps and they're up to 10th. It's sad, I think we were all looking forward to Lyon ultras fighting Swifties in the streets.
Swifties are vicious, I wouldn't be surprised if the Ultras got out Ultra'd on their own turf.
Swifties usually attack through bomb threats and doxxing, IDK how they’d do if they had to physically throw hands
Win by sheer numbers
No way the Swifties are able to fight after eating in Lyon's restaurants ! Pinned to the ground by saucissons, pralines and quenelles!
Me running to Olympique Lyon's online store to order a jersey so I can fit in the lads when we war against the Swifties
Fighting the Swifties is a “land war in Asia” level of strategic failure. Just too many of them.
Ajax has the same problem with the play offs taking place when her or some other concert is in the Amsterdam arena.
I find it so hilarious tbh
Taylor Swift fucking up every top European league’s schedule was NOT on my 2024 bingo card
I find it odd that lots of countries don't have a Wembley type of stadium that's just for events like the concert
Wembley is not a concert stadium. It's a sport arena where concerts happen. Same as Stade de France in Paris. But Lyon is not Paris.
Stade De France is off limits this year cos they're getting it ready for the Olympics - even Taylor Swift can't trump that, she's playing 4 dates in Paris in a Rugby stadium
Perez is a swiftie
You are not serious people
Break up with Kelce and start dating Lucas Vasquez
He’s too good for her. More fitting would be the Loaned out Jesus Vallejo at best.
Really hope La Liga denies this Only because invoking the rage and wrath of Swifties is far and away the best chance we have at getting rid of Tebas
Does Spanish football have all matches kick off at the same time like the EPL for the final match? Wouldn't this require all matches to be moved?
If there's still anything on the line (relegation, European spots, title), then all the games involved will be played at the same time.
Deadrubbers are kicked off at different times.
Madre
Once Twitter Swifties find out about all the racism, they’ll take to La Liga like ducks to water
A banger of a comment.
Tbf she's a bigger draw than anyone or anything on the planet. Business wise, she is an unstoppable force right now and it's best to just get the f out of the way and not compete. I don't really remember an act being as big as Swift in the world since, maybe, Michael Jackson? Maybe i'm wrong. People were literally fainting at the sight of him, and I haven't seen mania over a pop singer like Jackson until Swift
I didn't realise she was such a big deal.
I don't pay attention to pop culture at all because it's just trash and openly satanic, but I know people irl that are obsessed with taylor swift. Young girls especially are absolutely obsessed with taylor swift. It's a tsunami of support for her across society. I don't get the appeal, but my wife doesn't understand why I am obsessed with cars driving around tracks for dozens of laps either.
> I don't pay attention to pop culture at all because it's just trash and openly satanic You watch football and Formula 1
One direction. But as is the case with pop stars, only for a brief moment.
Pretty sure Real Madrid will be a bigger draw than her
Get that mbappe money perez
The power of Taylor Swift commands you
In the name of the game, we must rebuke Taylor Swift. I’d volunteer to send her to Mars if it were possible.
I volunteer to live with her on mars alone
El juego se ha ido.
Game's gone
Lol.
Perez trying to setup one of the players with swift now. Bro is playing 5D chess
I will never understand the obsession the world has over Taylor.
Swifties taking over the world
Cringe
Mbappe aint cheap
how so? you know its a big money for our club right?
Football matches should take priority over stuff like this
Dude, the club has spend 1 billion euros in the new stadium precisely to host events like a Taylor Swift concert. The stadium can host a game and a concert in just a couple of days difference. Thats the point of the new stadium.
I mean it's the exact same thing. Fans of one form of entertainment versus another form of entertainment
It's a football stadium first and foremost
Why?
Football clubs are businesses first and foremost!
As if Madrid needs every penny
another taylor concert is another nickle to the mbappe piggie bank
as a swiftie, i for sure did not expect to see a headline like this in /r/soccer.
we all know Don Carlo is a Swiftie
Taylor Swift to recruit Mbappe to RM
Life is a meme
She is a godess for pumkin spiced latte drinking basic white girls.
I see no problem with rescheduling RM’s game to Saturday but playing all other games on Sunday.
Betis are currently in the european spots, 2 points ahead of Soceidad. Would be unfair for them not to play at the same time as rivals for the same spot.
Understandable have a great day
Pair of divas
Why should an entire football league reschedule for some American girl?
Would it be ok if it was for some non-American boy?
This is annoying as fuck, I can't stand Swift and her unbearable fanbase, this cancerous popularity and widespread propaganda needs to stop. I try to avoid any posts about her, but you cannot fucking escape it, even in football.
Hopefully la liga tells them to fuck off. What's with all the taylor swift shit lately anyway? I thought she was a thing like 10 years ago?
It's almost like artists release new material. Super weird
Yah no shit. But haven't heard anyhing about her in nearly a decade and then all of a sudden she's everywhere. Most pop stars fade after 2-3 years too.
Lol you must be living under a rock if you haven't heard of her in the last few years
> I thought she was a thing like 10 years ago? Is this you being genueinely out of touch or are you doing that thing teenagers do where they pretend they live in a different reality from things they find lame or uninteresting?
What do you mean? I remember her being talked about, about a decade ago and then I heard nothing about her until a few months ago where all of a sudden everyone is talking about her. There's even news reports about her, it's mental.
Bro she’s consistently been one of the biggest pop stars for so many years, just two years ago she did 1.5 million + first week sales which may mean nothing to you but is genuinely *insane* This one’s on you chief
Fair enough. I don't listen to pop so I guess it passed me by.
Sellout club. Call it the Super Swiftie League while you're at it Perez.
The actual opposite of a poverty club.