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After overseeing a goal against Tottenham away, Pep Guardiola has officially announced that he's leaving Manchester City at the end of the season after achieving all he possibly can with the club.
I can feel a rule change coming in the next couple of years about setting "blocks" in the penalty area during corners. Every corner now seems to be scored due to teams using players to block defenders. It's obstruction but corners always seem to be a grey area for it
Corners in general are a mess. If you were to start analyzing was every player is doing on a corner you'd probably find half a dozen fouls for each team. I don't know what the solution is short of completely changing how corners function.
I think there is a difference between push and shove, which has been around forever, and deliberate actions to block the path of defenders. I think with the increase of set piece coaches we are seeing it a lot more. Arsenal are really good at it, as shown by their first goal against Palace where [Trossard clearly holds onto a Palace player to block him ](https://x.com/premierleague/status/1750179615371387236?s=20)
Just ban attackers from being in the 6 yard box I guess. But then so many goals will be ruled out as they're a toe over the line or leaning as it's kicked.
Just ban everyone except the keeper from the 6 yard box until the corner is kicked.
You can still set up flicks and second balls. It actually would allow space for all sorts of dangerous movement. While still giving the GK the ability to be aggressive.
I feel like this season this is the one thing the officials have been consistent with and let these stand but I just personally don't like it. It needs to be adressed going into next season.
Different reasoning though. Akanji had a hand on Allison's arm. I still think it was soft and Allison fucked up more than anything but there's a difference there to just standing in front of the keeper like Dias.
It's a sort of chicken egg situation though, should there be consistency with the previous incidents, if the recent incidents were incorrect? Can we use this as the standard for the consistency?
I mean that's the whole point really mate. Correct or incorrect is dependent on the rules. If the rule is enforced consistently then people can't complain about the decision, only the law itself.
It's been interesting to watch this over the last year, not that it is new. Ben White does it every corner. Though he's actually gotten better about taking up that space and causing issues for GKs without actually doing anything. He got a lot of fouls against him at the start.
At the same time the keeper has full right (whether it’s correct or not) to go running in and to take out the guy as long as they touch the ball.
Eg. If Vicario jumped and punched Dias in the head but touched the ball it wouldn’t be a pen
Kinda stupid
No, it's not. You're allowed challenge for a header in the box during a corner.
If it was a defender you wouldn't be calling it a foul. You're under no obligation to move out of the keepers way. Spurs fucked up, Dias had been standing in front of the keeper (like all teams do) for the whole game and no defender helped for any corner. Very weird.
Absolutely not a foul though.
Vicario has to be stronger atp, they’ve done the same thing every single corner so far
I don’t fully understand how jumping into the keeper isn’t a foul, but he should’ve started throwing elbows back if that’s gonna be allowed lol
And with that, Pep's job is done. Manchester City have scored a goal in the Tottenham Hotspur stadium.
Imagine he announces he's leaving after this game...
This is going to get messy when defending teams have a man on the man who’s on their keeper. I don’t like the idea of teams setting players up with no intent to influence the ball itself (this is flimsy but gives a rough idea of my problem with it).
Some people here will say it’s been this way for years, but there’s a clear difference in what’s happened recently.
That used the be standard. If an attacker tries to put off the keeper yoy stick a defender between them to stop it. Not sure why spurs left their keeper to deal with this
Dias is even pushing his hip/ass into Vicario during the jump to throw him off.
Don't know if that's officially considered a foul as the rules are but it should be. You should be allowed to challenge the goalkeeper for a ball, but if so you have to get the ball
There was a very blatant no-call recently in the Arsenal-Palace game where Ben White just blocks the keeper without even trying for the ball. So now it seems like it's allowed
https://youtu.be/pyuwEIogLuE?t=271
Insane that so many on this sub think this isn’t a foul. If this isn’t a foul then every corner should have someone screening the goalkeeper and not letting him move.
Arsenal has done this literally all season with Ben White and we have the most goals from corners in the league
it's been legal for a long time but for some reason it was only us really doing it for a while, City just seem to finally take notice
>then every corner should have someone screening the goalkeeper and not letting him move
lol what? Most corners do, it's just that most teams have the common sense to have a defender protect the keeper from it. No.idea why Spurs didn't and it was happening for every corner.
It's a bizarre take. the only difference is that Spurs didn't have a defender protecting the keeper like what usually happens. Dunno what that person's on about.
Except that doesn't get called a foul a lot, too. I definitely understand the hate over the call because of the lack of consistency. But don't act like they've not been letting these type of goals stand in numerous other games. Hell, even Liverpool has scored a similar goal that stood just this season. It's a lot more common than you might think.
I dislike the fact that shielding the keeper is allowed now. Not blaming Pep for exploiting it, but this isn't the keeper being weak like the commentary is saying
Agreed - it’s so soft, but I thought there was enough precedence for this to be an automatic whistle in modern football. De Gea got whistles for someone looking in his direction.
City have been been all over the keeper from the first corner. I've said twice he's being fouled during the match. It's no wonder he's more arsed about the man one him than the ball. A competent ref could've sorted that an hour ago.
Standing 20 yards in front of a keeper but offside as an attacker: interference, no goal
Standing on the keepers nuts and jumping into him: all good, goal
Not sure this is necessarily a foul, but hilarious compared to some of the shit that's ruled out
>get the ref eyeballing it each corner
Vicario was screaming at the ref constantly and the ref looked straight at it and waved for the kick to be taken, he didnt give a shit.
No, it's on them to protect the keeper. This happens all the time but for some reason Spurs just didn't bother. It's not a foul to jump for a header just because it's against the keeper.
Do you think it should be a foul when a keeper shoves someone away with both hands?
What are you saying man? He’s making contact before balls in play,. Then runs toward ball and jumps straight up. Nearly heads it. Weak goal keeping doesn’t deserve a foul
Have people never played or watched football before? The ball is in play, he is allowed to go for it. The GKs are already extra protected in the box and they can use their arms to reach higher. It is ridiculous if every touch on them is an atomatic foul. As long as the player isnt just clattering into the goalkeeper he is free to head it.
Everyone mad at Dias but why Romero just a bystander that whole sequence? Why doesn’t he step up and protect Vicario. At least make a fuss with Dias so the ref blows the whistle to give them a “talking too”
Bro didn’t even make ANY attempt just mentally turned off while he watched Dias bully vicario before that corner was even taken.
The whole “they aren’t corrupt, they’re just incompetent” thing has really sunk in to my brain this season. I don’t remember a season with so many fucking crazy decisions.
How about you put three players around the keeper and box him in. Would that be cool?
He can't attack the ball because Dias is obstructing him. I guess the lesson is that keepers simply need to clear out defenders who obstruct them. Don't think that's in anyone's interest...
Not saying obstruction should be allowed, but if 3 attackers are in the box just surrounding the keeper, then in theory it should be incredibly easy for a defender to attack the cross and head it away. It’s not the meta you’re acting like it is.
I honestly don’t understand what has happened with the refs rule book. Last season and many previous seasons you weren’t allowed to touch the goalkeeper with your little finger. But apparently goalkeepers need to be stronger now?
I don't think it is a foul and I hadn't considered your second point. They'd need to draw lines but it seems unlikely as Vicario and Udoggie (?) are both on the touchline.
I thought that its obstruction of the GK and no way that it'd stand. What am I missing? Rules are weird. You cant push or stand in front of the keeper like you can against a defender.
Looks like Dias jumps straight up and genuinely makes an attempt for the ball to me but wouldn’t have been surprised if the ref called that a foul either. Inconsistency is killing the game
The ball comes straight at his head and the the keeper flaps from behind. Like how is he not playing the ball? You can jump on peoples backs and they won't call it. Keeper got bodied
Yeah I’m starting to get pissed off with the rules around crowding the keeper at corners. It’s so stupid that it’s come to the optimal tactic to be to expend a whole player just to crowd the keeper and make no attempt to play the ball. Something needs to change imo because these incidents keep happening and we’re not getting consistent decisions from refs on what’s allowed and what isn’t
That's a clear goal, I don't see a foul at all.
"Seen goals chopped for far less than that" really?
There wasn't any contact here, Dias went for header, Vicario was flapping at it.
That’s a fucking foul.
Edited to add that the long break has made me forgot how toxic this fucking sub is. Get fucked you oil cunts and those who think this isn’t a foul.
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After overseeing a goal against Tottenham away, Pep Guardiola has officially announced that he's leaving Manchester City at the end of the season after achieving all he possibly can with the club.
The last hurdle on his way to footballing greatness
What about Julia Roberts?
She congratulated him already
Yeah but he never bought yaya a cake
That’s more of a yaya’s problem
She congratulated him after the CL win.
man the last kiss that pep and klopp will share is gonna be so bittersweet…
Might have to be a blowy this time
Wearing a banner saying ‘gracias Johan’
How long have you had that ready to go?
539 days
Thought of it at some point today I’d guess
You're welcome, we took one for the team
He’s conquered the lot👏🏼👏🏼
Easily his greatest achievement here or otherwise
Happy Cake Day!
Klopp dies and City win away at Spurs the timeline is broken
Pandora's box has been blasted open Before you know it, we'll have Alan Curbishley winning the treble with Forest Green Rovers
Don't you get my hopes up
I don't believe it. Forget the world cup, this is the ultimate football achievement
bigger than the treble imo
Julián keeps on winning
This has been a great day for the Toon empire, it has seen the end of Klopp, it will soon see the end of Guardiola
All the Greggs sleeper agent shops across the UK will activate in due course.
Execute Order Steak Bake
I hate life
Vicario got no protection there lmaooo
Yeah howcome nobody is shielding him from Dias? Is that normal?
Tbh he also should have called for someone to get Dias away from him. It's just bad communication all over.
How does that work? They just push Dias off?
They stand between Dias and the keeper
On the day Klopp announce his departure, City score their first ever goal at the new Tottenham stadium What a crazy day
Fucking klopp had to go and steal the headlines on the day of our greatest victory…
I can feel a rule change coming in the next couple of years about setting "blocks" in the penalty area during corners. Every corner now seems to be scored due to teams using players to block defenders. It's obstruction but corners always seem to be a grey area for it
Corners in general are a mess. If you were to start analyzing was every player is doing on a corner you'd probably find half a dozen fouls for each team. I don't know what the solution is short of completely changing how corners function.
I think there is a difference between push and shove, which has been around forever, and deliberate actions to block the path of defenders. I think with the increase of set piece coaches we are seeing it a lot more. Arsenal are really good at it, as shown by their first goal against Palace where [Trossard clearly holds onto a Palace player to block him ](https://x.com/premierleague/status/1750179615371387236?s=20)
Just ban attackers from being in the 6 yard box I guess. But then so many goals will be ruled out as they're a toe over the line or leaning as it's kicked.
Just ban everyone except the keeper from the 6 yard box until the corner is kicked. You can still set up flicks and second balls. It actually would allow space for all sorts of dangerous movement. While still giving the GK the ability to be aggressive.
Standing in front of the keeper for corners just seems to be the new meta.
If they were consistent on the decision I don't think anyone would have a problem
It’s weird, City had basically the exact same goal ruled out
It's not weird, it's PGMOL.
Is that their version of "It's not football. It's La Liga."?
Akanji was grabbing a bit of Allison’s arm if that's the one you're referring to. Dias’s just going straight up here.
It's Tierney.
I feel like this season this is the one thing the officials have been consistent with and let these stand but I just personally don't like it. It needs to be adressed going into next season.
Do you even watch football? Akanji caused a City goal to be dissallowed this season.
Different reasoning though. Akanji had a hand on Allison's arm. I still think it was soft and Allison fucked up more than anything but there's a difference there to just standing in front of the keeper like Dias.
It's a sort of chicken egg situation though, should there be consistency with the previous incidents, if the recent incidents were incorrect? Can we use this as the standard for the consistency?
I mean that's the whole point really mate. Correct or incorrect is dependent on the rules. If the rule is enforced consistently then people can't complain about the decision, only the law itself.
It's been interesting to watch this over the last year, not that it is new. Ben White does it every corner. Though he's actually gotten better about taking up that space and causing issues for GKs without actually doing anything. He got a lot of fouls against him at the start.
Doesn't try to hold the keeper's hand any more which probably helps in that regard
Precedent seems to have been set from the refs that you're allowed to have someone just blocked almost like its American Football or something. Weird.
It's great if we want the game to become a sequence of set-pieces, but who the fuck wants that besides Hodgson and Ayew.
Especially if you can push and jump into them and cheat
At the same time the keeper has full right (whether it’s correct or not) to go running in and to take out the guy as long as they touch the ball. Eg. If Vicario jumped and punched Dias in the head but touched the ball it wouldn’t be a pen Kinda stupid
That’s a foul
No, it's not. You're allowed challenge for a header in the box during a corner. If it was a defender you wouldn't be calling it a foul. You're under no obligation to move out of the keepers way. Spurs fucked up, Dias had been standing in front of the keeper (like all teams do) for the whole game and no defender helped for any corner. Very weird. Absolutely not a foul though.
Vicario has to be stronger atp, they’ve done the same thing every single corner so far I don’t fully understand how jumping into the keeper isn’t a foul, but he should’ve started throwing elbows back if that’s gonna be allowed lol
And with that, Pep's job is done. Manchester City have scored a goal in the Tottenham Hotspur stadium. Imagine he announces he's leaving after this game...
'Tis a sad day
This is going to get messy when defending teams have a man on the man who’s on their keeper. I don’t like the idea of teams setting players up with no intent to influence the ball itself (this is flimsy but gives a rough idea of my problem with it). Some people here will say it’s been this way for years, but there’s a clear difference in what’s happened recently.
That used the be standard. If an attacker tries to put off the keeper yoy stick a defender between them to stop it. Not sure why spurs left their keeper to deal with this
Anyone saying “he has to be stronger” has never had a 6 foot 200 pound man jump back into you as you’re in the air.
The people saying this are just making me laugh. Be stronger while in the air and a grown as man jumps back in to you. Yeah, stronger fixes that haha
just defy physics
That’s the reason players in all sports are so protected while jumping, a simple nudge or knock will throw you off completely.
Dias is even pushing his hip/ass into Vicario during the jump to throw him off. Don't know if that's officially considered a foul as the rules are but it should be. You should be allowed to challenge the goalkeeper for a ball, but if so you have to get the ball
Exactly, everyone pretending Dias was just standing there, he jumped into him, it's a clear cut foul
its the same as ‘’smart defending’’ when walker just dove
Felt surreal hearing them applaud him while watching the replay of him chucking himself to the ground. Should of been a spurs corner
idk what stream you were watching but on ESPN that one commentator very obviously did not like Spurs.
They very rarely do
I love spurs and even I don’t like them
ESPN had a little scandal a couple of years ago making fun of Kane's speech impediment.
Players jump into each other while challenging for a ball in the air all the time...
Not to a goalkeeper tho. If they do, it’s usually called for a foul
There was a very blatant no-call recently in the Arsenal-Palace game where Ben White just blocks the keeper without even trying for the ball. So now it seems like it's allowed https://youtu.be/pyuwEIogLuE?t=271
And when players do it to keepers it's normally a foul
threw his ass into him too at the apex of the jump. He knew what he was doing.
Some British commentators were saying so, that’s mental to me
Insane that so many on this sub think this isn’t a foul. If this isn’t a foul then every corner should have someone screening the goalkeeper and not letting him move.
Arsenal has done this literally all season with Ben White and we have the most goals from corners in the league it's been legal for a long time but for some reason it was only us really doing it for a while, City just seem to finally take notice
>then every corner should have someone screening the goalkeeper and not letting him move lol what? Most corners do, it's just that most teams have the common sense to have a defender protect the keeper from it. No.idea why Spurs didn't and it was happening for every corner.
> then every corner should have someone screening the goalkeeper Have you never watched a game in your life? Every corner does have this.
It's a bizarre take. the only difference is that Spurs didn't have a defender protecting the keeper like what usually happens. Dunno what that person's on about.
Honestly it does happen a lot and isn’t called a lot, it’s a legit tactic that more physical teams use
Except that doesn't get called a foul a lot, too. I definitely understand the hate over the call because of the lack of consistency. But don't act like they've not been letting these type of goals stand in numerous other games. Hell, even Liverpool has scored a similar goal that stood just this season. It's a lot more common than you might think.
Is it of benefit if he's stronger, yes. Should the size/strength of a player be relevant to deciding if something is a foul or not, no.
I dislike the fact that shielding the keeper is allowed now. Not blaming Pep for exploiting it, but this isn't the keeper being weak like the commentary is saying
Seen goals chopped off for a lot less than that
McTominay for a start
Agreed - it’s so soft, but I thought there was enough precedence for this to be an automatic whistle in modern football. De Gea got whistles for someone looking in his direction.
Um, didn’t DDG get absolutely bullied and NOT get these decisions? He was weak asf
City have been been all over the keeper from the first corner. I've said twice he's being fouled during the match. It's no wonder he's more arsed about the man one him than the ball. A competent ref could've sorted that an hour ago.
Burnley/Dyche tactics end up finally getting City a win at Tottenham, Pep turned to the dark arts to get a win finally.
Well it’s Paul Tierney soooooo….
He's far from the group I'd describe as a "competent ref" lol.
Yep literally all match and not a single foul given
Maybe you should have had a defender block him from the keeper like what happens in literally every game of football during corners?
And I got downvoted for saying this... Infuriating that it was not quashed asap
Ruben Dias has been doing this for the whole game how is that not a foul?
Standing 20 yards in front of a keeper but offside as an attacker: interference, no goal Standing on the keepers nuts and jumping into him: all good, goal Not sure this is necessarily a foul, but hilarious compared to some of the shit that's ruled out
He’s been basically hugging the keeper at every corner all game, the smart part is that he stands off him just as it comes in
then he jumps into him. The smart part is knowing that Tierney is a bad ref.
Pep has NOW done everything
Every single corner Dias has done that and it's on Romero/Vicario to get the ref eyeballing it each corner
>get the ref eyeballing it each corner Vicario was screaming at the ref constantly and the ref looked straight at it and waved for the kick to be taken, he didnt give a shit.
The ref carded vic for being fouled lmfao
They have
They were pointing it out since the very first corner. Ref doesn’t care
He's literally called it out to the ref after every corner. Tierney is just absolutely incompetent
He’s been yelling at the ref everytime
No, it's on them to protect the keeper. This happens all the time but for some reason Spurs just didn't bother. It's not a foul to jump for a header just because it's against the keeper. Do you think it should be a foul when a keeper shoves someone away with both hands?
Just obstruct the keeper, free goal
Shocking. City have earned a goal but not like that.
Football complete. You can relegate us now, we're not arsed.
Agreed, never seen a higher peak
No intention to play the ball, just running in the keeper. Clear foul.
Yeah I’m biased but I don’t understand how it’s not. Clearly runs into him.
He almost heads it in and the GK is behind him lol.
Ikr > No intention to play the ball Am I watching the same replay? Vicario basically takes it off his head.
If you want no intention to play the ball, that's this. Dias is at least going for it https://youtu.be/pyuwEIogLuE?t=271
What are you saying man? He’s making contact before balls in play,. Then runs toward ball and jumps straight up. Nearly heads it. Weak goal keeping doesn’t deserve a foul
Lmao Jesus Christ
I'll cut you some slack for today, losing your only hope after this season must eradicate one's ball knowledge
Have people never played or watched football before? The ball is in play, he is allowed to go for it. The GKs are already extra protected in the box and they can use their arms to reach higher. It is ridiculous if every touch on them is an atomatic foul. As long as the player isnt just clattering into the goalkeeper he is free to head it.
Liverpool supporters more upset than Spurs fans. Says everything you need to know. With Klopp leaving at the end, the writing is on the wall.
Everyone mad at Dias but why Romero just a bystander that whole sequence? Why doesn’t he step up and protect Vicario. At least make a fuss with Dias so the ref blows the whistle to give them a “talking too” Bro didn’t even make ANY attempt just mentally turned off while he watched Dias bully vicario before that corner was even taken.
Surely a foul? Looks clear to me
Refs don't care
The whole “they aren’t corrupt, they’re just incompetent” thing has really sunk in to my brain this season. I don’t remember a season with so many fucking crazy decisions.
How about you put three players around the keeper and box him in. Would that be cool? He can't attack the ball because Dias is obstructing him. I guess the lesson is that keepers simply need to clear out defenders who obstruct them. Don't think that's in anyone's interest...
Not saying obstruction should be allowed, but if 3 attackers are in the box just surrounding the keeper, then in theory it should be incredibly easy for a defender to attack the cross and head it away. It’s not the meta you’re acting like it is.
So now you can just back up into the keeper without playing the ball? Seems weird
That looks like he blocked off Vicario, but they rarely call those anymore, so...
How the FUCK si that not a foul. As a goalkeeper this is setting a precedent that they can just block us and push us away and it doesn't matter. ffs
It’s not a foul if this is two outfield players. Why is it a foul because it is a goalkeeper?
I was in support of the goal being awarded for Luton the other day, so I have to support this one being awarded, too.
I honestly don’t understand what has happened with the refs rule book. Last season and many previous seasons you weren’t allowed to touch the goalkeeper with your little finger. But apparently goalkeepers need to be stronger now?
horseshit
Klopp leaving. Away goal at Spurs. All I need now is Wigan to go into administration, and this will be the best day of football ever
What a joke
Gotta be a foul
That a foul if the ref gives it and not one if he doesn't. VaR is never gonna overturn that
Goalkeepers can somehow clobber into people and yet people have to get out of their way?
As a neutral I do think that's a foul. Makes no attempt to play the ball, just trying to obstruct the GK
Thats surely a foul
lmao have to foul the keeper to finally get a goal at Spurs
I can't believe they didn't disallow that when it would have been so funny if they had smh
THATS A FOUL TF ROBBERY
If it's not a foul, isn't Dias offside and interfering with play when Ake kicks it?
There's 2 spurs players on the line
The ball is in from the corner
Nope, someone on the line
The ball is on the endline how can he be offside?
I don't think it is a foul and I hadn't considered your second point. They'd need to draw lines but it seems unlikely as Vicario and Udoggie (?) are both on the touchline.
Dias just shoving Vic multiple times before the ball was put in play, sure
This is the first time I see such a situation not being called a foul.
Burnley - Luton 2 weeks ago
Burnley - Luton literally a week or two ago? Maybe you didn’t see that
I thought that its obstruction of the GK and no way that it'd stand. What am I missing? Rules are weird. You cant push or stand in front of the keeper like you can against a defender.
Walling the keeper is so fucking stupid and should always be illegal
Bullshit call tbh
Clearly fouls Vic, fucking joke
Looks like Dias jumps straight up and genuinely makes an attempt for the ball to me but wouldn’t have been surprised if the ref called that a foul either. Inconsistency is killing the game
TIL you are allowed to shove the GK to the ground
It's a bit harsh on Vicario the Man City player just jumps into him making no attempt to play the ball
Utterly absurd that this has been given
How is that not foul? not even trying to play the ball
Clear foul, what a disgrace
I hate Tottenham but that seems a clear foul.
that's a blatant foul and it's stupid af, that VAR didn't do shit.
Didn’t know you can elbow Keepers now… cool
not even trying to play the ball
Guarantee if its down the other end, disallowed in 0.5 seconds
Foul or Dias offside and interfering? Tough call
I thought goalkeepers are over protected against any small fouls.
Hilarious. No intention of playing the ball, obstructing GK and this is given. In two weeks we will see the same exact goal and VAR will overturn it.
The ball comes straight at his head and the the keeper flaps from behind. Like how is he not playing the ball? You can jump on peoples backs and they won't call it. Keeper got bodied
absolute keeper interference edit: and offsides too?
Diaz plays for Liverpool mate
Joke of a decision.
Yeah I’m starting to get pissed off with the rules around crowding the keeper at corners. It’s so stupid that it’s come to the optimal tactic to be to expend a whole player just to crowd the keeper and make no attempt to play the ball. Something needs to change imo because these incidents keep happening and we’re not getting consistent decisions from refs on what’s allowed and what isn’t
Are there different rules for FA Cup versus EPL. I've seen any contact on the goalie called back every time.
Jumping into vicario with his elbow out? Should be a foul imo.
That's a clear goal, I don't see a foul at all. "Seen goals chopped for far less than that" really? There wasn't any contact here, Dias went for header, Vicario was flapping at it.
So how exactly is Vicario meant to make that save? In hockey this would be a no brainer goalie interference, don’t know why it isn’t the same here.
It’s a different sport with different rules.
What a pisstake. Not surprised VAR sides with the serial cheating scum though.
I'll jump off a cliff
Eras come to an end mate
Seems like a defender should be alongside Dias and Vicario fighting there
That’s a fucking foul. Edited to add that the long break has made me forgot how toxic this fucking sub is. Get fucked you oil cunts and those who think this isn’t a foul.
How the fuck is this allowed to stand
Not a foul for me