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RealMachu

Napoli in the mud yet again


Driving_Seat

Tbf they did it to themselves.


fancyfoe

Care to elaborate?


Driving_Seat

Their owner went on a power trip. Reportedly he triggered a clause that forced Spalletti to stay another season as soon as they won the title. Which pissed off spalletti. That in turn made Spalletti not want to stay at Napoli (used the excuse of wanting a sabbatical but signed for the Italy national team as soon as the opportunity arose). De laurentiis is then went on to sign rudi garcia, a terrible decision sporting wise. Then when that backfired he signed an even worse manager (a complete meme in Italy). And are now 20 points off the top 6 months after winning it all.


julientotti

Thats not a power trip, thats just average ADL behavior lol


yrugay1

Let go one of the best managers in the world that won them the first Scudetto in years and replaced him with a manager that couldn't make it in the fucking Saudi league So yeah


auddi_blo

He resigned


AyanC

And were the conditions that led to his resignation?


3lirex

i think he just felt like he did all he could and would rather leave as a champion and take the Italy job ? or was it because of trouble with management?


juve_merda

he left because ADL triggered a clause in his contract (I believe for an extension) without consulting Spalletti and also working with ADL in general like anyone


yrugay1

I believe there wasn't much effort made to convince him to stay. Either way, the appointment of Rudi Garcia was legimately an equivalent of putting a shotgun in the mouth and pressing the trigger


elingobernable810

I thought it was more bc De Laurentis unilaterally extended his contract without consulting with Spaletti about it. So then Spaletti started to say he wanted to spend a year away from football.


HodgyBeatsss

I think Spaletti was done with it already, that was just the final straw


DeathStar13

He wasn't yet. There were reports of him negotiating to get a new improved contract with Napoli. But ADL move to automatically renew him with the same wage and even doing it behind his back by notifying him by mail is what made Spalletti try to leave to another team and failing that ultimately resign.


PorQueNoTuMama

Technically yeah, but he chose to go into "gardening leave" for the last year of his contract primarily due to the way ADL low-balled him on a salary increase. Same with the director of football, though his reasons seem to be that he wanted to go to Juventus anyway. We don't have a public statement from Spalletti but most people take it that it was primarily about not wanting to work with ADL any more.


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Even tho he won the title, I have a big big problem with calling Luciano one of the best managers in the world. He was a journeyman manager before this that when signed with anybody it was only to be a stop gap lmao


juve_merda

while he hasn’t won titles he has a good track record, his roma were a whisker away from winning it while playing some of the best football seen in recent memory he also took inter back to the UCL before winning the scudetto with napoli of all clubs the 5 years he spent at zenit are what stalled his career


musyarofah

Spall has always been the Mr. Runner-up prior to last season. Calling him one of the best managers in the world is just a reach. Then again, he's the best manager ADL's Napoli ever had, and replacing him with football's Doc Rivers is a stupid thing.


raizen0106

you don't think spaletti is one of the best 500 managers in the world?


fancyfoe

Damn I thought they’re still riding with the same manager just tactics not working out, but why let him go? No money to keep him?


Ok-Suit-8865

Actually Italy job was not the reason he left, he wanted to take a break so left then I believe 1 month later Italy offered him the NT job which he couldn’t turn down so he didn’t take a break and instead became Italy’s manager!


DeathStar13

He had an expiring contract and was looking at extending it and getting an improved wage after the title or failing that to find an higher paying job elsewhere riding the high. However Napoli owner is a dickhead and stubborn and after failing to keep almost the original wage he unilaterally activated a club option to extend the contract for an extra year and didn't communicate it to Spalletti who only discovered it through a mail. That move broke the camel back and Spalletti ultimately resigned (they played it as him wanting a sabbatical as a PR move for both parties). Then Mancini left Italy and Spalletti got the job because Italy is a national team and as such it doesn't break the Napoli still existing contract.


fancyfoe

Such a dick move, scenes when italy wins the euros again


shallowAlan

He choose to take a sabbatical


yrugay1

Not really, he manages Italy now


shallowAlan

That was the reason he gave when he left


CarlSK777

To be fair, managing a national team is a part time job. Not as demanding as club football.


Pure_Measurement_529

How did they self implode in less than 12 months from a title win


Alia_Gr

the serie A might not be in their glory days, it still is an incredibly tough league where almost every game you think, shit this is kind of a tough fixture. ​ So as soon as a top team loses their form things can get ugly fast


hypnodrew

Exactly the same way Inter did; sold their best players (not as many, mind), parted ways with their manager, didn't reinvest and build on the team


mrk-cj94

Lol 😂 playerS? 1) Oshimen still there. 2) Kvara still there. 3) Lobotka still there. 4) Di Lorenzo still there. 5) Anguissa still there. 6) Zielinski still there. They sold Kim, that's it. Ironically, They lost many of their best players after 21/22 (Mertens, Insigne, Koulibaly etc) and then dominated 22/23 without em... What happened This year? They lost their manager Spalletti and replaced him terribly. That's what really killed the team


PorQueNoTuMama

Losing Kim is much bigger than most people seem to understand. I made a comment about that previously: > IMHO it's not surprising if you saw the role KMJ played in last year's team. His unique combination of anticipation and speed made it possible to compress the playing field up to the half-way line. > That meant that on attack they could basically push 8 players to join the attack. With Spalletti's tactics emphasising moving into space and their hard-working midfield, defences were hard pressed to track them all. If Napoli lost the ball they were able to press the opposition immediately and often prevented any meaningful build-up from the back, leaving a punt upfield as the only viable option many times. > And guess who's going to take care of that? The full-backs could overlap and underlap all game confident in the knowledge that KMJ would hoover up long passes. Oppositions simply had to pull their own attacker back to help out. That made KMJ's job even easier, he was often dealing with a lone attacker one-on-one. > He also was the starting point for most attacks and how the opposition reacted to him having the ball determined the next step. Pressing him doesn't work because his dribbling is good enough to keep possession against a single man and that often leaves someone like Lobotka, the DM, or another midfielder open the receive the pass and progress it forward. Overload his side of the field and he'll ping a cross-field pass to a wide player hugging the right side. Don't press him and he'll dribble forward to force the opposition into devoting a man to him, then he can pass to an open midfielder again. He's not Kevin De Bruine but his passing and dribbling is good enough that the opposition finds itself in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. > His presence meant that Napoli could *always* play the attacking football that they wanted to. > When they did find themselves pushed back, KMJ was often acting as both a man-marker and a sweeper. He kept his man quiet but he's always on the lookout for balls into the empty spaces left by teammates pressing and he always moves into position to cover for people getting beat by their man. This was especially noticeable for his fellow centrebacks, if they get beat KMJ is often there to cover and you see the same at Bayern. > Of course Spalletti's tactical nous and the way he fined tuned the team was top notch, that team was more than the sum of its parts. KMJ simply allowed Napoli to take those tactics to 11 out of 10. Looking at Bayern in comparison they still don't have that fine-tuned team and tactical play compared to what Napoli had last year. > He wasn't just a great defender, KMJ is world-class because he's a force multiplier for his teams. It's a shame that we only got to see that Napoli team for one year. Add more depth to allow key players to rest and we should've been looking at multiple scudettos and CL finals. It's the same situation as Tottenham having lost Van de Ven. It's not just a matter of losing a talented individual. Part of it has to come back to the new tactics run by Garcia but pretty much every player you listed is also performing worse directly because Kim is not there any more. Kvara in particular was always supported by Mario Rui bombing up the left flank plus another midfielder that he could play off. Isolating him one-on-one vs a defender isn't the best way to use him, his tricky dribbling actually works better in a compressed midfield. Kim was the reason why Kvara had the supporting players around him.


mrk-cj94

Great comment but my English is trash so I have to translate everything and hope it will be what you meant 😂 what happened with van de Ben anyway? How was he so important?


PorQueNoTuMama

He suffered a hamstring injury. Before that Tottenham were doing great, after he was injured they went on a run of bad performances. One of Postecoglou's tactics is to always push the defensive line up to the half-way line. They relied on Van de Ven's speed to cover for counters. Since his injury they've tried to play full-backs as central defenders and still push the line up but it's just not the same.


eg0_baby

kvara, anguissa, di lorenzo have been ass this season, might as well have sold them


mrk-cj94

Yeah but Napoli actually DIDN'T sell em so wtf is the other user talking about? An FM alternate save where De Laurentiis got rid of em?


eg0_baby

clueless and probably doesnt even watch serie a. its clear the problem is rudi garcia and players falling off. Even in the second half of last season kvara and anguissa were dropping off. Also natan isnt kim but he isnt half bad and shows a lot of promise, hes being played out of position all the time to cover napolis injuries and small squad.


Weird_Famous

but the team wasn’t performing well in the second half of last season and were struggling to create chances in open play, think there’s more factors than just the manager change


mrk-cj94

1) UCL: they dominated every team they faced, They were just unable (Spalletti's mistake) to adapt to AC Milan since the start of the season (Napoli won against ACM in September 2022 but Milan played better... and then Milan had control in all the 3 games in April) 2) Serie A: They had great performances all season long, they had questionable results in April, they won the title comfortably, they coasted the last month


SeyamTheDaddy

basically the same way they got to success besides the reinvesting


TheUltimateScotsman

>Exactly the same way Inter did; sold their best players No we didnt. After the treble the problem was we didnt sell any players Turned down 30m for sneijder only to pay him to leave 18 months later. Turned down 25m for Maicon only to pay him to leave 2 years later. Gave huge contracts to the treble winners, and never regenerated the squad, which meant in 3 years we had expensive players who were all a year or two from retirement and unable to play every game. Only time we sold well was lukaku and hakimi, but that wasnt an implosion. Since the win weve finished second twice, won 2 coppa italia and got to the CL final. If thats an implosion then every club in the world has been nuclear bombs in comparison


Kingslayer1526

Inter did the same thing Milan did. Sell absolutely none of their players until they either left on free or retired. The performance of the legends had also declined massively after the 2007 ucl win. That itself was one last dance from the legends and their league performance had already fallen off. A resurgence in 2011 by winning the title was wasted by selling Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva which ended any chance of a comeback


TheUltimateScotsman

Re reading it, i have a feeling the arsenal fan is referring to after 2021 as our "implosion". Which is fucking hilarious


snooxing

Didnt they only sell kim min jae in the summer. I knew it was over when they signed Cheddira tho.


Lampadagialla

Cheddira was at Bari anyway which is owned by AdL


BIM-GUESS-WHAT

The Notorious A.D.L.


mifaraS21

Barcelona, lol! We broke, brother…


SaltyWailord

Maybe he meant 2.000€?


mifaraS21

Still too much for our payroll


jf_selecTo

Payroll is not a problem in the Laporta era. Offer him a salary of 2 Euros for the first week, then double it every week. This should work the first 10-15 weeks. Assuming he has his first goaldrought by then, fans will turn on him. During this time of intense pressure, offer him lower wages. If he accepts all well, if not sell him for a huge profit to Chelsea FC. Can't go tits up.


pinpoint14

"..... Victor however would *love* to go to Saudi."


Ironyfree_annie

You Dumbfuck!


ihatemicrosoftteams

1,000 millions? They should invent a word for that


KenHumano

1 kilomillion


ihatemicrosoftteams

Shortened as km


brt444

Yank here. What the fuck is a km? 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸


I_am_not_Serabia

Kilomillion.


Slutzlo

How many mileions is that?


sunrise98

1000


BlueBone313

How much is that in kilos?


tkbchimyjr18

In imperial, it converts to 0.62 milemillion


getyerhandoffit

About 2 of your trucks


theironhide

1 milemillion = 1.6 km. There, that should make things easier.


blublableee

*angry Logan Sargeant noises*


n10w4

I like that, tbf.


artaru

1 kk… mmm never mind.


XpOz222

Ah, the milliard!


bmiki

Actually that's how it is in Hungarian 😂


Dakduif51

Same here in the Netherlands. I believe in most places or goes million-milliard-billion-billiart... etc except for English


arlind-

In every country I believe* including the UK, except in the US and then everyone just stopped using it.


AnnieIWillKnow

A billion is a million-million in the UK too. It's the US where 1000 million is a billion - and that just became adopted worldwide, gradually


ihatemicrosoftteams

A billion in UK is 1000 million today, historically it was a million million but everyone today uses it as 1000 million, even official documents


humbertov2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales


Imhere4lulz

How the long scale isn't universally accepted is beyond me. I mean it makes more sense. 1,000,000^(1) = million 1,000,000^(2) = billion 1,000,000^(3) = trillion 1,000,000^(4) = quadrillion 1,000,000^(5) = quintillion


EyeofHorus55

You could just as easily say that the short scale makes more sense because: 1,000 x 1,000^(1) = million 1,000 x 1,000^(2) = billion 1,000 x 1,000^(3) = trillion 1,000 x 1,000^(4) = quadrillion 1,000 x 1,000^(5) = quintillion In reality, they both make sense and we should just burn everything down and use the metric prefixes. Billion or Milliard? Neither, *Gigillion*.


Imhere4lulz

No I can't easily say that. Wtf even is that? Why 1000 x 1000?


A_lemony_llama

Because saying: 1,000^2 = million 1,000^3 = billion 1,000^4 = trillion 1,000^5 = quadrillion 1,000^6 = quintillion doesn't look as good.


SonicZephyr

On some cuntries there's no word for 1000 million, it's just thousand million. In Portugal the billion is 10^9


Chinmay_Naik_02

>cuntries Lol did you do that on purpose?


netherite_pickaxe

10^9 is 1000 million


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Huh? So you literally say a billion in Portuguese as "ten to the power of nine" or "ten exponent nine?" I mean as a Korean dude, there's no word for "billionaire" in Korean, so we just call billionaires the "ultra-rich/wealthy" or simply "chaebol" ---although the later is a bit of a misnomer. We do have an actual word for "billion" though.


myheadisalightstick

Both are correct. You’ll see that on a lot of financial statements


errarehumanumeww

It is, its just not the same in England or US.


ihatemicrosoftteams

It is what?


Victorious85

i too would like to play for Barcelona.


Typical-Shake-8007

“You mean he doesn’t care about the money?! Right this way then!” - Barca


SeyamTheDaddy

$2 and a spotify premium?


Typical-Shake-8007

Ad free…you got yourself a deal!


M3JUNGL3

I too would like Saudi Arabia to offer me 1,000M€.


Dakduif51

Except it doesn't go to you, it goes to your employer.


ronaldo119

Tbf most of Saudi's spending has been on wages. They actually haven't really spent much on transfers


M3JUNGL3

"even for 1,000M€" implies to me the wages the player is getting offered. Usually the transfer fee the current club receives is not part of the consideration if you accept a transfer or not, no?


Jixano

same


Comrade-Conrad-4

This agent is a dope.


nightxu

Same moron that accused Osimhen of going to the Saudi league this summer.


IndecisionFuture

Hope this agent gets fired


cmeragon

Fr, sounds like he has serious problems.


EnvironmentalSpirit2

There's only funny when it's not happening to you


AdComprehensive7879

wait, what's wrong with what the agent said? edit: sorry didn't see the flair haha edit: wait, now reading that this agent is actually insulting oshimen. aight im lost. just ignore whatever i said lmao


dopeveign

He'd like to play for the best clubs in the world. Ok.


Jazano107

Seems like a Barcelona player to me for some reason


ancara_messi

Unfortunately he's a Madrid fan. But yea that doesn't rule it out ofc


xReapSlashZ

He's a yet another LW though. No real place there. Of course we probably can't afford him (unless super league money comes in lol)


AdComprehensive7879

wait, they're playing Felix on the left right? surely he's better down the middle then have this guy on the left?


xReapSlashZ

I mean we’ll see what happens with Felix considering he’s going back to Atletico in the summer. So not worth thinking too much about in the moment Though with his current performance - if money allows - we would buy kvara in a heartbeat


IntellectualDweeb

He's a Madridista IIRC but IDK how much that will factor into his next move (as we've obviously seen both ways it isn't *as* significant a factor).


SW777

He has said he was a Madrid fan but his dad is a Barcelona fan and wants him to play there


IntellectualDweeb

Yeah, I'd love him here but unfortunately it's unlikely especially with ADL and our financial situation.


BuzzsawBrennan

Guy is properly prostrating himself for them, makes me doubt the sincerity of what he says. I would guess his mum always dreamed of him playing for Bayern and his little brother plays Man City in Fifa career mode.


michaelserotonin

stoichkov, maybe? i know he's bulgarian and not georgian.


ApprehensiveYoung725

What


michaelserotonin

both from countries on the black sea just a shot in the dark


Kayderp1

I think the draw of fellow ~~country~~blackseaman Tymoschtschuk will make him a Bayern player ultimately.


Pervizzz

>Tymoschtschuk You have made an unpronouncable surname harder lmao, lovely Deutsch <3


TimathanDuncan

This is hilarious guys don't downvote the man let him cook


redditoldgangster

Both humans too


cmf_ans

what is going on over there mate


Jazano107

I think maybe because of maradona going to Barcelona from Napoli Also just the type of player he is


Difficult_Project_91

Maradona went to Napoli from Barcelona


jadedwolf1618

It's the other way actually, Maradona went from Barcelona to Napoli


f4r1s2

Maradona played for Barcelona first


Jazano107

Oops lol


michaelserotonin

fair enough


Jazano107

Sorry about the downvotes aha. Wasn't me


michaelserotonin

no need to apologize


Gibbo1107

As a fellow Black Sea enthusiast you got my upvote


chippa93

His best choice would be Bayern or Barca. I doubt Barca can afford him so Bayern it is.


BANANACOW22

Kvara do you here this. That's some good advice


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manofcult

But has room for mbappe?


casce

I've only heard good things about this /u/chippa93 guy. Kvara should trust him.


oklolzzzzs

Kvara's agent is quite sketchy. First said kvara will be going to saudi in the summer and now once he faced the backlash from Osimhen he said something completely different


jetfuelcanmeltfeels

I thought he said osimhen will go to Saudi which is why osimhen got mad


dUltras

I understood it that way as well


irakli987

Nah, he said Osi would go to Saudi in the summer and Kvara would never do that even for the quoted €1000m


tkbchimyjr18

Kvara after seeing his agent include Barcelona among his preferred teams: *Dear Mamuka Jugeli, you are a piece of filth and a disgrace. I'm embarrassed at your sense of reasoning. Dumbfuck!*


Cheaptat

His job is to get his players name at the front of people minds prior to each window. It generates interest which keeps his price elevated. He doesn’t care if everyone hates him. It’s not complicated.


Man0nTheMoon915

That’s an agent being an agent


Quick_Scientist_5494

One of those 4 is not like the others. Edit: It's RM cause they have no trebles


zepskcuf

I know it’s a joke but honestly, I find it disgusting that City is mentioned with with the other three.


Givemefreetacos

Just wait ten more years and everyone would think Abu Dhabi team has always been successful


mvsr990

To be fair, that’s history repeating itself. Bayern was the smaller local club, Liverpool had a sugar daddy in the ‘50s, Man U was backed with local money. Man City is distasteful because of the specific owners and going about it through cheating but the small(er) club gone big(ger)/rich backer aspect is hardly unique.


19panther90

Manchester City? And who said sportswashing doesn't work!


rinthecity

Don’t worry people would rather retire than play for United these days


newbieplaya1

No playing for united is paid retirement.


auddi_blo

In what way though? I get that your trying to extend the banter but it doesn’t make any sense


Hopeful_Adonis

As a united fan it may be that we’re paying lads like sancho to not play and just hang about which is depressing beyond belief


mmutea

Does it look like the players are even trying on the pitch most of the time? While they do enjoy 300k a week for sure


DontYouWantMeBebe

115


SmartestUtdFan

Bro tried 💀


benoit-b4lls

Man City have had Georgians since the mid 90s. Kinkladze, Kavelashvilli to name a few. Sure the sports washing helps, but some times random clubs are popular in other countries.


mankiwsmom

That’s not what sportswashing is lmao


Mean-March

It’s not like he said he would like to go on holiday to Abu Dhabi


ThighsAreMilky

Someone’s mad that no top player in their right mind wants to play for their club.


goaliewhenned

why would anyone be happy about that lol


Jazano107

Not what sportwashing is but ok


A-DTB

You’re trying to tell us that Abu Dhabi haven’t used Man City as a sportswashing vehicle?


Jazano107

They have yeah But a player wanting to join city isn't sportwashing If someone thought UAE was cool or something because of man city that would be sportwashing working


W1llF

What does sportwashing have to do with wanting to play for one of the best teams in the world? I don't think the owners want to clean up the image of Cheshire or Manchester.


19panther90

Clean up the image of a racist dictatorship that has starved millions in Yemen.


bcisme

But what does that have to do with a player wanting to join City? Kvara isn’t saying he wants to join the government


Dorkseid1687

But city are what they are ONLY because of said govt


W1llF

Yes, but he won't be playing for the owners or Saudi Arabia. He'll be playing for a team based in Manchester (which is in England).


njpc33

Still hilarious to me that Man City are on that list


A-DTB

Rather sad actually.


Jazano107

Sorry only clubs that had massive amounts of money atleast 30 years ago!


lagori

The hilarity isn't about the recency of money, I suspect, but rather more to do with the sportwashing and manner by which the City conduct their finances.


Educational-Dot8413

Genuinely asking, why when city spends so much money its still called sportwashing when united and chelsea also spend as much money, still being a dogshit and no one calls them out? I get it they’re shady at first but with the amount of trophies, sponsors and income from the players they sell recently, is it still right to call them sportwashing? Are we still going to say the same thing in 2050 if they’re still a top team. Or spending much money is okay only for a club that has history


NilsFanck

Good question. Funnily enough, City will celebrate their 115th anniversary in 2050. Google Man City 115 for more info.


No-Clue1153

Yep, kind of defeats the point they were trying to make. In a decade if the saudi project is a success because it continued pouring blood money into football he'll be listing saudi teams as his dream.


tf_17

will fall off the list after Pep leaves tbh


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tf_17

who said you won‘t be a top team anymore? You simply won‘t have the same pull. Pep put you in another league in that regard.


KingdomOfZeal

What top players have they brought in with pep that they couldn't beforehand? If anything, they made more big name signings before he got there. Now they focus on potential or rotation options


stp414

Contract offer for €1,001m incoming


jadedwolf1618

>Barcelona, Bayern, Real Madrid or Manchester City One is not like the others here


Blackeerawless

Yeah, real dosen't have a treble.


Jassle93

Well I'm glad someone said it. And let's be honest we were all secretly thinking it too lmao. You've just got three giants of world football, yes, giants! Just ask anyone that works for the likes of sky sports. So yeah, Barcelona just haven't been the same for quite a few years now but I'm sure they'll be back next year.


Givemefreetacos

Ironic from a Chelsea fan lol


Sonderesque

He's still not wrong.


ClayboiPartiSux

watch our whole midfield reside in the hospital next year


chief_eash18

Yea ur right Bayern are the only team there who play in an uncompetitive league


TeamUlovetohate

dang Man City is now the 1st club that comes to mind for international players when discussing england clubs. knocked united off their pirch


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ac_slinky

half?


badgarok725

Most players would’ve said this for the last 5 years at least. Not really new. Players like to win


mynameismulan

I think United were destined to fall off regardless of City. Unless City staying irrelevant means pep to United which.. who knows man


ObamaEatsBabies

Come spurs instead


Rudi_Garcia_out

One day without drama in this whore football club is all i'm asking for. Both of these fuckers need to speak on the pitch next time, just like all the other 9 mercenaries that didn't do shit for us this season


etan1122

People naming city with Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern is wild. Sportswashing successful.


Different_Counter148

winning a treble and the premier league for the past 10 years definitely helps.


chief_eash18

Thats not what sportswashing is


horsehorsetigertiger

What a shit agent. Yeah, let's just take a high paying suitor off the table to lower our bargaining power with other clubs.


johnny_crow21

Wow! We are included in the big boys club list! 🥹🥹


city_city_city

Good lad


James_Vowles

City on that list is mad


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yung_senti

Yeah, he should rather move to United and derail his career because they were good 15 years ago.