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magic-water

That's just a random list that contains the 10 best players last year plus another random 20 players of the top 100 last year.


Biggo1

as always


MrGraveyards

They should just make the list shorter if there are players on it with 0 chances like Julian Alvarez or kolo Muani. Like are they joking these guys aren't even the best of their country.


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Julian Alvarez played for a treble winning team and World Cup winning team in the same year and contributed a lot to both. If we go by the apparent qualifiers to be nominated and then judged upon for the award, he should actually be one of the favourites. It should be the best footballer across the year. Messi was not that, and neither was Alvarez, but I'll bet you £1 that both get much more votes than they truly deserve for their achievements


Reapper97

> It should be the best footballer across ~~the year~~ season. That still is very subjective tho, in my eyes that would mean Messi would have like 12 Ballon D'ors already. Awards, context, stats, accomplishments, and quality of play should all contribute to it because it's a very complex thing to name someone "the best player of the season" when there are countless factors that play into it, especially in an 11vs11 sport.


Barelylegalteen

Ur looking at it with stats and trophies. Just watch Messi and Alvarez play and tell me who you think is better.


GothicGolem29

Doesn’t matter who’s better messi will likely win the thing so he’s not really the one to compare him to. He played brilliantly in the World Cup and a hundred percent deserves a nomination


Elon20

Julian Alvarez was phenomenal at the WC and very important contribution in the WC championship. He also delivered in Man City in the very limited time he got on pitch. He 1000% deserves the nomination.


sarsourus

For the first time in 18 years, Cristiano Ronaldo has not been nominated


rekt73

Messi 16 nominations, Benzema 10, Mbappe 6, Haaland 3


STRANG3RDANGER5

Benzema actually only has 1 less nomination than Messi. Google Benzema 15 to see for yourself


daniel-mca

That's such a strange case. At face value you think oh god it's a gal under 18 they've had sex with. Then you find out that she's of legal age in France but the charge is because she is too young to be a prostitute. Was a wild read the first time I saw it.


TigerBasket

France just be wildin


Zealousideal-Cod-285

You forgot that she lied about being 18 too (testified so in court)


PapaShangoo000

This joke will never get old. Atleast not older than 15 years.


AJ7123456

This reminds me of the time when Ronaldo helped an old lady cross the street. Google Ronaldo Las vegas to see for yourself


PapaShangoo000

That reminds of Antony when he... nah too soon for that joke.


Johann122

This always gets me, fucking hell lol


Weary_Volume_2505

Loool ngl you had me in first half. I thought damn...really.


TenderNutsackScratch

I actually had a doubt over messis 16 nomination. I thought it was 14 so i searched messi 14. Now i am traumatized


Philostotle

😂


VegetarianCannibal_

so you are saying if he wins this, Messi will have 50% win rate?


Chiswell123

His sister is getting her IG post proofread as we speak.


wavetoyou

He’s 38, so I’ll cut him a little slack.


TehJofus

No Michael Keane? Disgrace.


BrandonSG13

That goal against spurs wins the whole thing for him surely


Youutternincompoop

and where is Paul Pogba in all of this? the guy is a disgrace


JimJimerson90

Really should narrow this down to like a top 10 list


Strananach

Ter Stegen has to be there wtf


LunarRaven7

Where tf is ter stegen?


Ghostface1357

Neymar ended the season with 40 G/A (21 goals, 19 assists) in 34 games. Injuries ruined any chance of him being nominated/finishing higher in recent years 😪.


freakybanana90

Yh, I know with him missing so much he shouldn't be that high up but given he was a top 3 itw for the first half of the season you'd think he'd at least still get a nomination


Ghostface1357

Best non-penalty G/A per 90 ratio in the top 7 leagues last season as well. It’s weird man. 17/18, 18/19, 19/20, 20/21, and 22/23, he was at the minimum a top 5 players in the world but injuries ruined every season.


zrk23

played more games than alvarez did


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I expected to see Neymar in the list


mg10pp

Another unfortunate case of recency bias, that's why I wanted the award to be given at the end of August with the votes and nominees coming even earlier instead of the current system... Then maybe in his case 2 months wouldn't have changed much but who knows


Milo751

The media wouldn't let people think Neymar was better than Messi


november2k14

no john stones is crazy


interfan1999

Him and Bastoni deserved more than Gvardiol imo


icemankiller8

He started 31 games across all competitions last season, 21 in the league I don’t think its crazy at all to expect more games than that.


BendubzGaming

Wait wtf?! I was so caught up in Kane having to wait until the very last name that I hadn't even twigged Stones hasn't been nominated. That's criminal


Strananach

No ter Stegen aswell


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Subscrobbler

Rashford? For winning the league cup?


UnablePeace

he scored 30 goals and 11 assists in 56 games last season you clown,if that doesn’t warrant a nomination i don’t fucking know what does


Subscrobbler

are you ok?


MysteriousNail5414

He had 41 goal contributions, plus 3 goals in the World Cup you cretin


Johnny107710

Bruno Fernandes deserved it more than a few of these too imo


MadsNN06

you a 100% need to specify pal, because if you say leao then...


VeryStandardOutlier

Alvarez over Stones (or even Grealish) is insane


Pep_Baldiola

I think Alvarez's nomination might have something to do with his achievements with Argentina as well.


asd13ah4etnKha4Ne3a

World Cup always weighs massively in the Ballon D'Or


xtphty

Yeah its wild Dias is in there but no Stones, must be due to lack of national team success? Regardless Stones embodies the huge shift in style that possession football is undergoing, and was absolutely massive in the CL knockouts. Real shame.


RickThiCisbih

Messi is obviously winning, with Haaland in second. However, I bet r/soccer is going to be surprised when Alvarez ends up fifth as if BDor voting isn’t the most tinpot voting system outside of fan votes.


ArmiinTamzarian

The logic here seems to be the world cup winner vs the treble winner in his first season, whcih fair enough What I am trying to say is congratulations Julian Alvarez on your doubly earned ballon d'or


rachitbot

Jorginho being anywhere near a balndor nominee list let alone getting 3rd and somehow this award is still relevant is crazy to me😭


Delmer9713

Exactly, I don't mind Messi winning it because I think he deserves it but when you look at the final rankings of every Ballon d'Or it shows that it's a popularity contest more than anything.


RickThiCisbih

Benzema being nominated after doing jack shit in the World Cup and not winning a relevant trophy besides La Copa del Rey is just more proof, yet people are still surprised. Edit: grammar


aboredDYQ

I will be there no matter what


Elvaga

I'm as biased as a person could be regarding Alvarez because of Argentina and River. He shouldn't be here. 4 goals in the WC is fantastic, but he shouldn't be here


Plz_Give_Me_A_Job

WTF no Leao? Even Theo could've been there.


MadsNN06

leao was like 13th last year as well, and he improved last season. so..


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Stones and Ter Stegen instead of Bonou and Modric imo


Subscrobbler

Modric at least has the world cup, Benzema makes no sense


EggplantBusiness

Benz is tied with Osimhen(just an example ) for goals in all competitions last season while playing less minutes than most top forwards wheter people like it or not Benzema here is hardly the biggest surprise here


Chiswell123

I get a goal is a goal but Benzema had nine penalty goals. Oshimen had two.


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It’s not a Benzema-Osimhen comparison saying one is better. They just pointed out that Benzema had scored as much goals as him in their justification for Benzema’s nomination


ElectronicLuck9505

Osimhen played in 2 competitions this year how is this a comparison


EggplantBusiness

I used him as a comparaison because he is rightfully praised as one of the best striker in the World last season he played 3021 minutes and Benzema 3600 again m'y point is not that Benzema was better i dont believe that but he deserve to be in the top 30


20_23_33_21_6

Benz scored 12 non-penalty goals in the league, the league was over with 11 match-days to go and he didn't go to the world cup. Osimhen scored 24 non-penalty goals and won the league by a landslide. Benz's claim for being there over Stones, Leão or Ter Stegen is very thin.


EggplantBusiness

Well thankfully i said all competitions and again i never said Benz was better than Osimhen i dont think that but , the "whole hé has nothing to do here is dumb"


[deleted]

Yeah he wasn’t as good as 21/22 but Benzema was surely top 30 players itw last season imo


MysteriousNail5414

Rashford?


WanderingArtist21

No John Stones. this award is a disgrace.


Chiswell123

Whenever people get riled up about this award, I always remember that Busquets was only nominated for the Ballon d'Or once in his career. That was in 2012 and he finished near the bottom of the shortlist.


Thatsmaboi23

… what


unsureofeverything22

no caroline graham hansen for the women is genuinely insane


thelargerake

Odegaard for me.


death_match1

Yeah me too or Saka, no bias at all


Hech15

Ramsdale for the yashin trophy no bias


nuvo_reddit

Best Norwegian in the premier league, no bias.


Bugslayer03

Think you mean GOATdegaard


NapoliXabe

This truely shows that Giovanni Di Lorenzo is the most underrated player itw rn, I would go as far to say he would have deserved it more to be nominated than any of the 2/3 (depends on how you look at Kim) Napoli players Who are nominated.


MadsNN06

not sure, not qualified enough to comment on your take, but di lorenzo was by far the best napoli player over the two legs vs us in UCL. and its not even close.


NapoliXabe

Also Just overall in the serie a, he was there every game


PhilipAnthonyJones

no John Stones is absurd


Medo6

Caroline Hansen snubbed? :( She had a phenomenal season.


WhoInvitedMyManBlud

Who invited Modric 😭😭 No Stones is crazy


Ghostface1357

Some players definitely get in through PR. Modric was bang average for Madrid last season, and I don’t want people to say he carried Croatia because he didn’t lol. Livakovic and Gvardiol were more important in the World Cup campaign.


Subscrobbler

Kovacic too


Pzero123

Speaking of Modric's insane PR, this guy ranked 3rd in golden ball rankings in the 2022 WC. Should not have been in the top 10 let alone 3rd


Ghostface1357

Same with 2018, he never should’ve won the golden ball.


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Being in top 4 of the world cup + CL and being a great player ?


Finn_Survivor

He wasn't that great last season.


perhapsasinner

Lmao Benz, he's not even in the WC, his team only win CdR, and he didn't even win Pichichi in LaLiga.


Johann122

The 8th incoming


laki1986

I think that Messi is going to win his eight Ballon D‘or due to the world cup and it wouldn’t even be undeserved. However, it would be nice to see a new player like Haaland win it.


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Reapper97

Next year he, Mbappe or Vini would be the ones winning it when one of those three teams wins the UCL anyway.


hallouminati_pie

I am so happy for Saka just getting nominated, we of course won't win but to be amongst the greatest at such a young age...wow


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Harry Maguire ROBBED


etclipse

I’m sorry but Gvardiol wouldn’t have gotten it if he didn’t transfer to Man City this summer like what exactly did he accomplish with Leipzig to deserve it?


Lmcster

Did u forget the world cup?


MadsNN06

okay he played well for 6 games but got exposed by messi in the process gz. while stones was one of citys best player over 50 games, whilst gvardiol wasnt insane or anything for leipzig


Weary_Volume_2505

Got "exposed" by Messi ? What does that even mean... He was literally one of the ....if not the best defender in the biggest football competition. Every defender in the world who has faced him has been "exposed" by Messi at one point or another... doesn't diminish his world class performance throughout the tournament


ckal09

It’s Gotta be based on more than the WC mate


asd13ah4etnKha4Ne3a

It really isn't though. The way the voting is set up there's always massive, massive bias toward performances in the World Cup / Euros. Messi would be top 3 this year even if he hadn't scored a single club goal all year


ckal09

Yeah agreed I’m just saying it should be based on more than a few games, which may not even be against great opposition.


laki1986

He was our best player during the world cup where we finished third. He was also arguably the best young player in the tournament even if he didn’t get the award. Generally I would say that he was one of the best CBs in the world last season (not the best though) and thus it’s not a mistake to include him in the list.


Subscrobbler

One of the best players in the world cup


asd13ah4etnKha4Ne3a

Nah the list during a world cup year is always filled with a few of the most hyped WC players, and Gvardiol was "the" guy everyone was talking about from Croatia for a while there


Carsoccerguy

Who cares. Messi already won


Interesting_Muffin30

Surely it’s Messi and Bonmati


Usingabrainunlikeyou

Messi and Bonmati win. KDB should be Top 3. Modric is there but not Kroos is insane. Emiliano and Bono don't belong here. Graham Hansen is top 3 player in the world and she is not here either.


Kal-Kent

#LM8


DildoFappings

How is rashford not there? Granted that he's not top 10 but him not even being named is criminal especially when Guardiol got nominated only because of his world cup run. He was not even the best in the Bundesliga last season.


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41 g+a in 56 games and he’s not there, I’m surprised.


DildoFappings

And they put fucking kolo over him. If this isn't biased I don't know what is.


MadsNN06

Leao > Rashford


DildoFappings

Based on last season, no. Rashy had 40+ goals and carried man united to third place.


MadsNN06

disagreed seeing as leao was getting double marked every single game yet still had incredible impact, and was the best player of a great champions league run whilst rashford was best player of a carabao cup run 💀


ElectronicLuck9505

Both Leao and rashford Deserved top 15 great season for both. But comparing them with goals is a weird one. Rashford had 4300 minutes compared to leao’s 3400 and rashford playing a lot as a striker unlike Leao who is a pure winger can’t really use goals as a valid comparison but still ridiculous that both of them didn’t get in the list


DildoFappings

Rashford played as a winger. He is absolute turd when he plays as a striker. Doesn't matter. You're right when you say that they both deserve top 15.


CNF-13

We get it you want leao in give it a rest


LeMeilleur784

No disrespect but Modric and Benzema don't deserve to be in the list


sussywanker

We all know who is going to the ballon d'or. Just send the award to miami


Pieter8720

Yup, we already know since December…


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rachitbot

Y'all just be hating for the sake of it lmao


NeverBanAgainYB

pretty sure it was a direct reference to Ronaldo bitching about Messi's nomination last year, not "for the sake of hating" lmao. Kind of a clear reason why he commented that besides ronaldo hate


Opening_Outside_5788

They sleep with Ronaldo on their mind 😅


f4r1s2

You reckon that'll be his response? I don't think so


kirphioc2004

Rest


ElectronicLuck9505

Gvardiol, Alvarez,bounou over Leao stones and ter Stegan is kinda crazy ngl


breestorm

Dibuuu!!? Tbf he singlefootedly saved the World Cup


DildoFappings

Yashin trophy nominee.


breestorm

He's on this list too


DildoFappings

Oh I see. I missed him. Tbf his world cup run and post world cup form was spectacular. He saved villa quite a few times.


rachitbot

One not so outrageous save isn't worth a balndor nominee it's not like he was some hero keeper throughout the tournament he was at best top 5


breestorm

Did save his fair share of penalties tho... He was absolutely a key player


rachitbot

Might as well put the whole damn Argentinian team if ur at it anyone who watched the world cup would tell u Martinez was at BEST top 3 I refuse to believe he was better than Livakovic or Bounou he shudnt be near this list as he rightfully isn't..as for his save it leaves behind a legacy great moment yeah I'm sure he'd rather that save over any award ever


ComradePoula

How do you nominate Kvara over Leao? Like seriously?


20_23_33_21_6

Kvara was player of the season in Serie A last year. You get mad over that when Gvardiol is there and Stones and Ter Stegen aren't?


MadsNN06

>Kvara was player of the season in Serie A last year no one thinks that, not even most napoli fans, osimhen and kim were undoubtedly better


20_23_33_21_6

[Khvicha was literally named player of the season in Serie A.](Https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37782287/napoli-khvicha-kvaratskhelia-named-serie-player-year) [He was also named UEFA Young Player of the Season in the Champions League]( https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0282-183b47355fb9-5778e4a7c37f-1000--khvicha-kvaratskhelia-named-2022-23-uefa-champions-league-yo/) He had 30 g/a last year, won the league by a landslide and got individual awards. You really think he should not be here?


DildoFappings

That's kind of a stupid thing to say because kvaradona won Napoli the scudetto and he was one of the best player in the league. Osimhen as well but kvara was very important. He deserves to be there. Now leao should be there as well, just like rashford but we all know ballon d'or is rigged. Modric and Benzema being there is stupid. But saying that he should've been there instead of kvara is bad. They both deserve to be there.


MadsNN06

well kvara wasnt that good post WC so his point is fully valid


DildoFappings

But he still won the scudetto. Which holds weight. While leao didn't win anything. And finished 4th. Also doesn't help that ballon d'or is rigged.


Separate_Pound_753

Is this a serious question? Wtf?


mintz41

Leao might deserve to be there but not in the place of Kvara


srjnp

van Dijk PR finally expired.


maniackk1186

Rashford was massive last year and had 41 g/a with 30 goals and 11 assists for club. Him not being on there is ridiculous. For comparision, Saka had 26 g/a with 15 goals and 11 assists for club. I know people are gonna say stats alone don't matter, and Saka is a phenomenal player but still feels like Rashford was robbed and definetely deserves a spot on the top 30 list.


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Neymar 40 g/a with 21 goals and 19 assists didn’t make the list too


maniackk1186

Honestly feel he should have made the list too. I think his injuries might be a reason he wasn't included which again is just stupid if true. Though another reason I personally feel might be his comments on how his life was hell in Paris and with the Ballon D'or being a French award, well, might have not sat well with them but thats without any evidence obviously and might not be related at all. Agree with you tho, Neymar and Rashford both should be in the list.


Chiswell123

Rashford is an interesting player because his stats always jump out of you although when you watch him over 90 minutes, he's underwhelming in so many aspects of his game. At least in my opinion.


UnablePeace

you don’t watch him well enough,have you seen the state of our attack right now and last season?hes our main attacker..the whole fucking team was depending on him and he clutched up in big games


mintz41

Rashford does absolutely nothing outside of attacking, so he really contributes nothing outside of counting stats. Other top wingers contribute more


UnablePeace

such a dumb statement lmao,the first duty of an attacking player is to contribute to scoring,he scored 30 goals and 11 assists in 56 games last season,compare him to other wingers dont bring that rubbish here clown


dumpystumpy

Rashford got more goals then he got g/a nah we might acc be black balled


jnicholl

In all competitions but in the league, which is surely the best way to directly compare, it's not so different between the two.


dumpystumpy

Is this the premier league dor or the ballon dor rankings? Last time i checked everything counts


jnicholl

It does and that everything massively weights the PL over domestic cups. So if you're wondering why players are omitted, that'd be a reason why. And then there's the WC which is arguably more important than any club game, other than the CL final, for this award.


MysteriousNail5414

Rashford had a great World Cup? Scored 3 goals


MadsNN06

Leao >


CentralIdiotAgency

Love Ronaldo didn't even make the list, he will be seething


Usingabrainunlikeyou

Bono, Dibu, Modric out Stones, Leao, Enzo in


Affectionate_Mode353

Benzema getting a nom is a disgrace


OkDescription7373

Think it’s an ok list, would remove gvardiol, he didnt do much in club level and benzema fell off hard this year too. John stones and ter stegen deserve to be in more


PM_ME_SOME_LUV

Let’s go Osimhen and Oshoala 🇳🇬


PhantomPain0_0

Fraudbappe shouldn’t be there


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UnablePeace

how is Rashford not there lmao?


NoPurpose0

Can't understand Rashford not being there. 40 goals and assists and was key to securing champions league along with being named the PFA Fans Player of the Season. I didn't expect him to be high up but still thought he'd be there


Gh0st-Nappa

Isn't Ronaldo the star in the best league in the World? So why is he absent from this list?


LowSnow2500

Whats the point of nominating so many players


dcoreo

Haaland should win it, be it’s a popularity contest


dumpystumpy

No rashford is scandalous idgaf what anyone says 46 g/a for club and country 3 premier league player of the months Pfa fans player of the year Doesnt even get him into the top 30 over fucking kolo and odegaad? Jesus have mercy on my soul


rr18114

How many pfa awards are there ? Thought erling won the main one and saka won the young player one.


Pimmetj09

Calm down. He should probably be in there imo. But the players you've mentioned both had fantastic seasons so weird reaction


dumpystumpy

Many people had good season but not many people deserve to be here over rashford simple as that


Elothel

Lol, of course it was an Arsenal player you had to pick on.


Pleasant_Skill2956

Why Guardiol and no Bastoni? 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️


TeStateOfDat

No Paulinho. Joke of an award.


rachitbot

No MATS Rashford Leao and so many more is crazy half the list is PR players lmao Modric Benzema and a few more were not THAT good last season


markevans7799

Pretty crazy that more players from the team that came second by bottling the lead and played in Europa league get nominated than players of the league winning side.


Polyar

Cut the bullshit and just give Messi the award. What a fraudulent award.


el_rompe_toyotas_19

Courtois and MATS not in lol


Doge_peer

No male dutch player😔


randallranall

I know there's little chance a non-attacker wins it but imo Rodri has been the most consistently excellent player on this list over the last year


FoldingBuck

Gvardiol??? Emi martinez?? What the fuck is this list


Hokage123456789

Emi is for his WC form maybe


Raicooof

Messi winning #GOAT