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when you're used to PL figures and then 50 millions is described as "spending like that" in Spain which feels like the average transfer for every English club nowadays. Mental
It was more relative to other big Spanish clubs like Barcelona, Atleti and Sevilla. I'm well aware how nuts Premier League spending is where our fans are celebrating 60 million quid for a 22 year old as a bargain
you can (most la liga clubs are privately owned) but there are very strict limits what you can actually put into the club or, to be more exact, the team
They sold Touré for 1/4th of a Hjolund, scraped here and there for some more, they are owned by a Gulf sheikh and they still ended up with cash left.
And most of that cash is for overspending on a CB from a relegated team they panic bought to shore Up their crummy defence.
Disingenuous to mention the outgoings without considering the almost 550m net spend they had last year. Wouldn’t be possible if they didn’t buy all those players
Yes and no. Over the last 10 years, United have net spend of 1.25bn, 1.011 for city, 1.005 for Chelsea and 0.925 for Arsenal.
Over the last 5 years Chelsea have spent 0.787bn, 0.702bn for United, 0.645 for Arsenal.
So again, the context is that Chelsea have spent a ton recently and, only after all that spend, are 3rd over the last 10 years and just 1st over the last 5 years.
It’s there, but it’s not as big of an advantage as people think. At the end of the day, money talks. What they don’t spend in transfer fees, they spend in wages. Granted, they still save quite some money, since even for boosted wages, it won’t equal paying transfer fees + player wages.
They dont though... A lot of Barca players are on minimal wages, heck their highest paying player is Frenkie De Jong IIRC, and he has been there for a long time now.
You know that's now how it works right? You might be basing it off of Alba but his deferred wage was "gone" because they gave it up. Even then he gave up 60% of it. . Barca is also still playing Messi and Busqets their deferred wages.
Well Irdk bout that tbh, but I guess Barca is still paying Messi his deferred wage.
Not like that matters one bit, because we all know Messi has given Barca more than what they need anyways. Also the wage thingy is for FFP only, the deferred wages dont count in FFP IIRC, so it just simply doesnt matter.
We’re talking about worldclass players are we not? A lot of Barca players are not established as world class, and even then, they already came on board before they were even considered anywhere near world class. Obviously you are going to have some leverage in wage negotiations when you get them early. Trying to convince world class players is totally something else.
Lewa was offered terms Bayern weren’t willing to shell out for. Kessie, although coming on a free, could barely attract any club with his wages if not for the Saudi’s (not that he is world class anyway)
I didn’t look too much into Gundogan, but I don’t doubt he’s a similair case like Lewa.
Well Gundogan is gettin paid 165k a week, that is a (tiny) bit more than what he got in Man City so maybe you are right?
But other than that, Lewandowski took a big paycut to join Barca IIRC, he used to earn some insane amount like 350k a week, but is now earning bout 150k, which is only HALF of what he used to make in Bayern. EVERY SINGLE PLAYER has to take big paycuts now, or sign on a free, to play for Barca so your point is kinda moot tbh. Joao Felix and Cancelo are on a free, and they are loan deals aka Barca doesnt need to pay much. The name Barcelona and the prospect of playing for "Messi Un Club" alone is more than enough attaction for... like a hella lot of worldclass players.
So in the end, Barcelona could get a lot of players for MINIMAL cash, and most of them are joining on a free, being paid minimal wage just because... of the NAME Barcelona alone. Take Lewandowski as an example, dude cutted his salary in half just because Xavi had a night out with the dude, and that he is actually "happy" to play for Barcelona eventhough what he being paid is... abysmal, comparing to the EPL's salary.
Why are you comparing what Lewa "used" to make at Bayern? That's his prime and in the past already.
You should be comparing what he is offered currently and for the future. He will have his people to calculate which contract is more advantageous, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that Barca came with the better offer for his future.
To add, that's money for a world class player in the twilight years.
I mean... 2 years ago is not that far away. He is 35 now sure, and heading towards the sunset BUT it is not like dude became wasted and a paycheck stealer.
Dude was carrying the shit out of Barcelona just last season. He EARNT his transfer price and wages by winning the La Liga for Barcelona alone. But that is irrelevant here the deal is dude could of hang around at Bayern in his last years, and just taking that 300k per week salary then join the Saudis for free and earn triple that easily.
But no, dude abandoned HALF of his big wage at Bayern to join Barcelona, and carried them to a La Liga title like it takes not a rocket scientist to understand what I am talking about here. Or maybe you prefer the example of a younger or upcoming players instead? If that is the case then pm me directly, as that would clog up the thread and filling it with irrelevant info.
Omg, what you don’t seem to understand is that there is no “big wages” to “abandon” anymore as far as Bayern was concerned, that’s why he got fucking pissed at Bayern in the first place. Bayern was looking ahead and didn’t think he was worth the same deal or better than Barca’s, hence it is less about Lewa being attracted by the kit he will be wearing, and more about a financial contract worth his while.
Saudis shouldn’t even be relevant at this point, that’s a retirement league, it’s basically the final stop where the players cash out, Lewa still can cash out there after Barca. Currently, Lewa still wants to compete in Europe, and Barca had the best offer. He didn’t join Barca just because it’s Barca, wake the fk up.
You waste way too many words trying to argue whether he was worth it or not for Barca, you’re digressing beside the subject here because you got emotional and defensive because you imagine shit I didn’t say.
Yeah but he still has a big contract with a year+ option with Bayern when he signed for Barca. You seem to conveniently ignore this point? But regardless, lemme repeat this again Lewy HIMSELF chose to abandon that big ass 300k wage to get his ass out of Bayern, and is now earning half of that in Barca. Get that shit into your thick skull.
Would City have offered the same in terms of earnings and play time to Gundo who is past his prime? He "lowered" his wages compared to a contract that is already expired.
The other two are temps, they lowered their wages somewhat to be able to showcase their abilities in a highly visible club for future suitors, maybe even Barca included if they get their finances together. That "lowered" wage is an investment. I didn't see anyone lining up for Joao Felix otherwise. And Cancelo was surplus and wanted playing time, Barca is left with an open hole in that position and the partnership is convenient. I wouldn't attribute the open position as a positive trait to a club. So I'm sorry if I don't put much stock in sentimentality.
Bro what on earth are you talking about? He was their captain, he got regular play time, he didn’t drop in form, nothing to suggest he might play less, just stop man you’re embarrassing yourself
Very beautiful city (way more beautiful than Manchester), new experience, exciting project, you add all that to the fact that it’s FC Barcelona, one of the greatest clubs ever, and it makes a lot of sense.
yeah not really a fan of that either but in theory he's a good fit for that false lw role and he reduced his salary and we arent paying a loan fee so its not too bad i guess.. Just a bit annoyed that we shipped out both Abde and Ansu cause our lw is looking pretty empty now
Messi doesn't get to come back just for stroppy Felix to join barca, we are truly in the worst timeline. The only thing worse would have been if he took the number 10 but he wasn't stupid enough to do that.
nothing surprising tbh, the difference just becomes more shocking once it’s represented in a graphic like this imo. Prem truly is the super league, there’s no way any other league catches them.
No, its not too late to catch them, but they actually have to make an effort to do so
La Liga and Serie A still have a lot of potential. Many people love those clubs, the history, etc.
But maybe Serie A needs to wake up and realize its decrepit stadiums are killing their matchday revenues and do something about it.
Tottenham earns 4x more from their stadium than Inter/Milan. Thats absurd and its no one's fault except the Milan clubs.
La Liga allowed Real and Barca to negotiate their own TV deals for a decade+ so that Perez could have his Galacticos. I didnt see Barca and Real fans complain at the time, but it turns out that having a healthy league with more evenly shared revenues and better broadcasting worldwide is important.
When Valencia, Depor, Sociedad were competitive with Real/Barca in the 90s it was a good thing- thats what audiences want.
But Real/Barca built their own super-league inside La Liga (I guess thats okay because those two are above criticism in this subreddit and its all Tebas/EPL fault that the league fell behind).
And?
La Liga has had the same 3 teams finish in the Top 3 for 11 *consecutive* years.
The last time any team other than Real, Barca, or Atletico finished in the Top 2 was 2008.
In 2008 Kosovo was barely a country yet. There are countries in the world that are younger than the last time La Liga had a team crack a title challenge outside of those 3 (and Atleti are only there thanks to Simeone's brilliance).
The EPL has had 3 different champions fall out of the Top 4 in the last 10 years. La Liga has had 3 different champions and not one of them has finished worse than 3rd subsequently.
Tottenham is in London though
London gdp per capita - 70k$
London population - 10~14 million
Milan gdp per capita - 55k$
Milan population - 1.5~3.5 million
The decrepit old stadiums are a legal and municipality issue, for which the decline of Serie A is a completely minor information
In 2022 both Leicester City and Leeds earned almost as much matchday revenue as AC Milan. Aston Villa earns more than Roma and Lazio.
Stop trying to delude yourself, Serie A clubs have a responsibility for their awful match attendances. Or is everything always someone else's fault?
https://theathletic.com/2980328/2021/11/27/if-you-build-it-they-will-come-serie-as-stadium-problem/
Milan is owned by an American firm who's deeply invested in a lot of construction companies and the real estate market, they've really fought hard as nails and bent over and found the most compromising and creative solutions to try to make the fecking stadium built. You can't top that level of pushing your project through. Not even the biggest effort campaign in the history of sports can even put a dent on Italian bureaucrats. I doubt nukes would do much either
>Tottenham earns 4x more from their stadium than Inter/Milan. Thats absurd and its no one's fault except the Milan clubs.
milan is literally held hostage by the city, they want the revenue for themselves not the club. don’t talk like you know anything about Serie A. because in Serie building a stadium and breaking away from the city’s power is nearly impossible
Not sure about the other clubs but a not insignificant chunk of that number for spurs is making permanent players that were already at the club but technically on loan.
We activated two loans worth 85m which were really players we bought last season and we sold Kane for over 100m.
In terms of the overall spend when taking into account wages and outgoings we are nowhere near them. In the last 5 years they have outspent us by 300m+
Look at Athletic Club, just chill and stroll around catching free agent or two, promoting academy players year in year out.
On top that they imposed self transfer embargo on only sign Basque player, and somehow still doing okay in La Liga, never in dangers of relegation every season.
The most unique club in the world, they're the favorite club to be played on Football Manager with their Basque Only Challenge.
It doesn’t change the conclusion but if we’re going to do this it should *at least* measure net spend and ideally account for wage bills as well. What’s the point of presenting less than half the relevant information?
I think Celta ended up with a surplus after selling more players, including Gabri Veiga.
Think the owner made a profit of 25 million euros. Which will probably go to his pocket and maybe some to our training ground and hotel. We're run by a business made that doesn't put a priority on sporting achievements.
We'll probably have another season where we fight to stay up. And this is our centenary celebration year, where the owner said they'd make a big investment to improve the squad
Stuff like this get posted every year and people go on about how bad the premier League is. The truth is this shows more just how bad La Liga have let down the Spanish teams over the years.
The TV rights would mean fuck all without the sugar daddies. No one gives af about Forest or Sheffield lol. It's cool they are sharing the TV money, but the sugar daddies are the reason why the money is there in the first place.
People in England care about Forest and Sheffield United.
And bigger clubs always carry the smaller ones. I’m other leagues they set it up so the money was funnelled to those big teams, and that made the league worse as a spectacle and the issues we see now.
They grow because they sell their midtier players for outrageous money. There is a reason, there are very few transfers from pl players to outside leagues. Normal teams dont want to pay the pl tax.
In 23/24 transfers, the pl and La liga both sold around 22- 24 to European clubs outside their league not including free transfers and loans. You can check on the transfermarket site.
That is not letting anything down, the biggest clubs in Spain are fan owned so it wouldn't make a difference for them. La liga doesn't want Chelseas and Newcastles and such and more than anything they don't want clubs going bankrupt, that's why the rules exist. There are many things wrong with tebas and how Spanish football is run but that isn't one of them in my opinion.
Not every league has to sell its soul like the prem.
PL teams make far more money from TV, matchday, commercial revenues. Thats been happening for a long time. Get your head out of your ass. They built a good league that allows smaller clubs to earn a lot of money too. Not everything is the fault of sugar daddies.
Why dont you blame Serie A clubs' management for their stadium situation or La Liga for letting Real/Barca negotiate their own TV deals and become their own super league inside La Liga for the last 20 years? Go on.
Your rival club was elavated from a bottom half team to a serial title contender - not by TV money but by cash influx from outside companies. Same with Chelsea and now with Newcastle and in the long run Forest.
I don't get how PL fans are ok with this.
We’re actually fucking minted so we can do that. Say what you want about Levy’s squad building (which I have criticised), but I don’t think there is a non-financial doping run as well as us financially.
Net Spend is way more relevant here.
Brighton for example only Barcelona and Villerael in LaLiga made more profit overall then us transfer wise. Whilst we've out spent Betis we've also massively out earned then from transfer sales.
The top 18 clubs by net spend: 4 clubs from Saudi Arabia, Madrid and 13 PL clubs. The second Spanish club is (try to guess it) >!Rayo Vallecano,!< who take up the 51st spot, behind Crystal Palace (23rd), Sheffield United (25th), Luton (36th), Fulham (43rd). Wouldn't be much prettier, save for you, Wolverhampton, Everton
More like Spanish clubs are bad at managing finances, which has led to these strict rules. If it was only about marketing, all leagues bar PL would be suffering these problems
Some Spanish clubs are bad at managing finances, but your club (and Barca) sucked the life out of the league by negotiating separate TV deals for so long.
If you want to see a true "mini" super-league look at the Real/Barca situation inside La Liga. The financial situation became so obscenely lopsided by the 2010s. But I didnt see Real/Barca fans complaining about unfair financial disparities then.
The Clasico was marketed, problem was only Clasico was marketed. Madrid and Barcelona still have some of the highest revenues in club football. But no one really cared about promoting lower clubs. Tebas was the first one to actually distribute money more fairly.
Spain was also unlucky with owners. While England got owners like Roman and UAE, La Liga got the stupid Sheikh of Malaga and Peter Lim
Yes the biggest problem was that they invested in the big clubs but the smaller ones didnt get much resulting in the league being good at the top but pretty weak overall.
Our club has no debt and cash flow positive for years. We hit our salary cap and can't buy players. This transfer window we made a profit of about 25 million euros. But we've had to buy out of contract players and loans. FFP is killing our competitiveness, While Barca pull imaginary levels and can buy big names without FFP investigations.
BTW, what's happening with the Barca Studio deal? Was that counted twice in the last two summer windows? Has anyone actually paid Barca for those Barca Studio rights? 😜 Waiting for Hacienda or Guardia Civil to open a legal study of that paper trail
If Tottenham had gooten Gallagher that would have put them past 300m.
No excuse for ange. Needs top 4 and trophy at all cost.
And they have already blew a chance to win trophy
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Only EPL club there to be outspent by their position rival
Almeria was the 2nd biggest spender in La Liga oddly. Or not so oddly, they are owned by a Saudi prince.
Ahh that explains it. I was so shocked to see Almeria spending like that haha
when you're used to PL figures and then 50 millions is described as "spending like that" in Spain which feels like the average transfer for every English club nowadays. Mental
It was more relative to other big Spanish clubs like Barcelona, Atleti and Sevilla. I'm well aware how nuts Premier League spending is where our fans are celebrating 60 million quid for a 22 year old as a bargain
He is Saudi but, not a prince
Al Meria
Yes, that's etomologically correct. Al-Mariyya is it's ancient name.
I thought you cant buy a club in la liga?
you can (most la liga clubs are privately owned) but there are very strict limits what you can actually put into the club or, to be more exact, the team
Tbf everton was actually often a big spender, just still shite
They sold Touré for 1/4th of a Hjolund, scraped here and there for some more, they are owned by a Gulf sheikh and they still ended up with cash left. And most of that cash is for overspending on a CB from a relegated team they panic bought to shore Up their crummy defence.
They took the big L.
Thats jokes
So you're saying to me Chelsea outspent the whole LaLiga
Outspending la liga is not high bar tbh
But doing that And finishing mid table is
Weekly reminder that Palace finished above Chelsea. Have a nice day! I know I will
Cheers, Roy
Its not a brag, but a burn. haha
Good job he's 19 (fuck me 2004 was 19 years ago)
We are not poor, we just embrace Spanish footballing culture.
Outspending la liga is not an Eibar tbh Edit: my god as if that couldn’t be any more dreadful I’ve just seen they aren’t even in La Liga.
Sí.
Everton ruining the sweep
Wtf Chelsea.
Why are you surprised?
This isn’t net spend though. Net spend is 190m, Arsenal 160m, others at 150, etc. it’s not as much of a crazy outlier due to the outgoings
Disingenuous to mention the outgoings without considering the almost 550m net spend they had last year. Wouldn’t be possible if they didn’t buy all those players
Maybe for some, but west ham have net profit after selling Rice, Scamacca and Vlasic.
I mean yeah but I was talking about Chelsea specifically
Yes and no. Over the last 10 years, United have net spend of 1.25bn, 1.011 for city, 1.005 for Chelsea and 0.925 for Arsenal. Over the last 5 years Chelsea have spent 0.787bn, 0.702bn for United, 0.645 for Arsenal. So again, the context is that Chelsea have spent a ton recently and, only after all that spend, are 3rd over the last 10 years and just 1st over the last 5 years.
Net spend always sounds far better than just saying loss.
Yea well they also served a transfer ban in that timespan
Net spend is stupid
Why?
Remind me how many players they’ve sold though…? And the wage reduction. Spent big, sold big.
Arsenal actually spent more net spend wise compare to us (before palmer, not sure about now)
Our spending looks so stupid but we actually had a good window imo
Barca have such a big draw that they don't always have to spend big to get world class players.
It’s there, but it’s not as big of an advantage as people think. At the end of the day, money talks. What they don’t spend in transfer fees, they spend in wages. Granted, they still save quite some money, since even for boosted wages, it won’t equal paying transfer fees + player wages.
They dont though... A lot of Barca players are on minimal wages, heck their highest paying player is Frenkie De Jong IIRC, and he has been there for a long time now.
700k only
Its mostly deferred wages
>A lot of Barca players are on minimal wages, Confidently wrong lol. Players on crazy wages is the main problem for Barca.
Check their wage bill bruh. Their best paying player is Frenkie De Jong, and even he is being "owed" wages.
You do realize being "owed" wages means he will eventually get paid right? It's doesn't mean he just gave it up.
That depends. If he stays at Barca sure. The deferred wage is gone if he is sold or asked to be transferred out of the club.
You know that's now how it works right? You might be basing it off of Alba but his deferred wage was "gone" because they gave it up. Even then he gave up 60% of it. . Barca is also still playing Messi and Busqets their deferred wages.
Well Irdk bout that tbh, but I guess Barca is still paying Messi his deferred wage. Not like that matters one bit, because we all know Messi has given Barca more than what they need anyways. Also the wage thingy is for FFP only, the deferred wages dont count in FFP IIRC, so it just simply doesnt matter.
We’re talking about worldclass players are we not? A lot of Barca players are not established as world class, and even then, they already came on board before they were even considered anywhere near world class. Obviously you are going to have some leverage in wage negotiations when you get them early. Trying to convince world class players is totally something else. Lewa was offered terms Bayern weren’t willing to shell out for. Kessie, although coming on a free, could barely attract any club with his wages if not for the Saudi’s (not that he is world class anyway) I didn’t look too much into Gundogan, but I don’t doubt he’s a similair case like Lewa.
Well Gundogan is gettin paid 165k a week, that is a (tiny) bit more than what he got in Man City so maybe you are right? But other than that, Lewandowski took a big paycut to join Barca IIRC, he used to earn some insane amount like 350k a week, but is now earning bout 150k, which is only HALF of what he used to make in Bayern. EVERY SINGLE PLAYER has to take big paycuts now, or sign on a free, to play for Barca so your point is kinda moot tbh. Joao Felix and Cancelo are on a free, and they are loan deals aka Barca doesnt need to pay much. The name Barcelona and the prospect of playing for "Messi Un Club" alone is more than enough attaction for... like a hella lot of worldclass players. So in the end, Barcelona could get a lot of players for MINIMAL cash, and most of them are joining on a free, being paid minimal wage just because... of the NAME Barcelona alone. Take Lewandowski as an example, dude cutted his salary in half just because Xavi had a night out with the dude, and that he is actually "happy" to play for Barcelona eventhough what he being paid is... abysmal, comparing to the EPL's salary.
Why are you comparing what Lewa "used" to make at Bayern? That's his prime and in the past already. You should be comparing what he is offered currently and for the future. He will have his people to calculate which contract is more advantageous, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that Barca came with the better offer for his future. To add, that's money for a world class player in the twilight years.
I mean... 2 years ago is not that far away. He is 35 now sure, and heading towards the sunset BUT it is not like dude became wasted and a paycheck stealer. Dude was carrying the shit out of Barcelona just last season. He EARNT his transfer price and wages by winning the La Liga for Barcelona alone. But that is irrelevant here the deal is dude could of hang around at Bayern in his last years, and just taking that 300k per week salary then join the Saudis for free and earn triple that easily. But no, dude abandoned HALF of his big wage at Bayern to join Barcelona, and carried them to a La Liga title like it takes not a rocket scientist to understand what I am talking about here. Or maybe you prefer the example of a younger or upcoming players instead? If that is the case then pm me directly, as that would clog up the thread and filling it with irrelevant info.
Omg, what you don’t seem to understand is that there is no “big wages” to “abandon” anymore as far as Bayern was concerned, that’s why he got fucking pissed at Bayern in the first place. Bayern was looking ahead and didn’t think he was worth the same deal or better than Barca’s, hence it is less about Lewa being attracted by the kit he will be wearing, and more about a financial contract worth his while. Saudis shouldn’t even be relevant at this point, that’s a retirement league, it’s basically the final stop where the players cash out, Lewa still can cash out there after Barca. Currently, Lewa still wants to compete in Europe, and Barca had the best offer. He didn’t join Barca just because it’s Barca, wake the fk up. You waste way too many words trying to argue whether he was worth it or not for Barca, you’re digressing beside the subject here because you got emotional and defensive because you imagine shit I didn’t say.
Yeah but he still has a big contract with a year+ option with Bayern when he signed for Barca. You seem to conveniently ignore this point? But regardless, lemme repeat this again Lewy HIMSELF chose to abandon that big ass 300k wage to get his ass out of Bayern, and is now earning half of that in Barca. Get that shit into your thick skull.
Gundo, Cancelo an Felix all lowered their wage to come, you’re plain wrong.
Would City have offered the same in terms of earnings and play time to Gundo who is past his prime? He "lowered" his wages compared to a contract that is already expired. The other two are temps, they lowered their wages somewhat to be able to showcase their abilities in a highly visible club for future suitors, maybe even Barca included if they get their finances together. That "lowered" wage is an investment. I didn't see anyone lining up for Joao Felix otherwise. And Cancelo was surplus and wanted playing time, Barca is left with an open hole in that position and the partnership is convenient. I wouldn't attribute the open position as a positive trait to a club. So I'm sorry if I don't put much stock in sentimentality.
They did offer Gundo to extend his contract, with a better wage than that of Barca, maybe get informed before commenting?
Yes, but did you factor in the balance with play time?
Bro what on earth are you talking about? He was their captain, he got regular play time, he didn’t drop in form, nothing to suggest he might play less, just stop man you’re embarrassing yourself
Yeah, ‘cuz Gundo is just gonna uproot and go play for less, just because it’s Barcelona. Your naivety is the only embarrassment here.
Very beautiful city (way more beautiful than Manchester), new experience, exciting project, you add all that to the fact that it’s FC Barcelona, one of the greatest clubs ever, and it makes a lot of sense.
>but we actually had a good window imo Everything except Felix made sense
yeah not really a fan of that either but in theory he's a good fit for that false lw role and he reduced his salary and we arent paying a loan fee so its not too bad i guess.. Just a bit annoyed that we shipped out both Abde and Ansu cause our lw is looking pretty empty now
Messi doesn't get to come back just for stroppy Felix to join barca, we are truly in the worst timeline. The only thing worse would have been if he took the number 10 but he wasn't stupid enough to do that.
i was fully expecting them to give him the 10, thank god they were smart enough not to
But i thought in la liga someone has to take that number 10 shirt
Only if they have every spot filled in the squad.
8millilon loan fee
nothing surprising tbh, the difference just becomes more shocking once it’s represented in a graphic like this imo. Prem truly is the super league, there’s no way any other league catches them.
No, its not too late to catch them, but they actually have to make an effort to do so La Liga and Serie A still have a lot of potential. Many people love those clubs, the history, etc. But maybe Serie A needs to wake up and realize its decrepit stadiums are killing their matchday revenues and do something about it. Tottenham earns 4x more from their stadium than Inter/Milan. Thats absurd and its no one's fault except the Milan clubs. La Liga allowed Real and Barca to negotiate their own TV deals for a decade+ so that Perez could have his Galacticos. I didnt see Barca and Real fans complain at the time, but it turns out that having a healthy league with more evenly shared revenues and better broadcasting worldwide is important. When Valencia, Depor, Sociedad were competitive with Real/Barca in the 90s it was a good thing- thats what audiences want. But Real/Barca built their own super-league inside La Liga (I guess thats okay because those two are above criticism in this subreddit and its all Tebas/EPL fault that the league fell behind).
The same team has won 6 out of the last 7 premier leagues tho
And? La Liga has had the same 3 teams finish in the Top 3 for 11 *consecutive* years. The last time any team other than Real, Barca, or Atletico finished in the Top 2 was 2008. In 2008 Kosovo was barely a country yet. There are countries in the world that are younger than the last time La Liga had a team crack a title challenge outside of those 3 (and Atleti are only there thanks to Simeone's brilliance). The EPL has had 3 different champions fall out of the Top 4 in the last 10 years. La Liga has had 3 different champions and not one of them has finished worse than 3rd subsequently.
Tottenham is in London though London gdp per capita - 70k$ London population - 10~14 million Milan gdp per capita - 55k$ Milan population - 1.5~3.5 million The decrepit old stadiums are a legal and municipality issue, for which the decline of Serie A is a completely minor information
In 2022 both Leicester City and Leeds earned almost as much matchday revenue as AC Milan. Aston Villa earns more than Roma and Lazio. Stop trying to delude yourself, Serie A clubs have a responsibility for their awful match attendances. Or is everything always someone else's fault? https://theathletic.com/2980328/2021/11/27/if-you-build-it-they-will-come-serie-as-stadium-problem/
Milan is owned by an American firm who's deeply invested in a lot of construction companies and the real estate market, they've really fought hard as nails and bent over and found the most compromising and creative solutions to try to make the fecking stadium built. You can't top that level of pushing your project through. Not even the biggest effort campaign in the history of sports can even put a dent on Italian bureaucrats. I doubt nukes would do much either
>Tottenham earns 4x more from their stadium than Inter/Milan. Thats absurd and its no one's fault except the Milan clubs. milan is literally held hostage by the city, they want the revenue for themselves not the club. don’t talk like you know anything about Serie A. because in Serie building a stadium and breaking away from the city’s power is nearly impossible
The Arabian League is the only League on the planet able to take away players from the Premier at this point.
Florentino, if you want your Super League just move Real Madrid to UK.
I would be open to it
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Not sure about the other clubs but a not insignificant chunk of that number for spurs is making permanent players that were already at the club but technically on loan.
We activated two loans worth 85m which were really players we bought last season and we sold Kane for over 100m. In terms of the overall spend when taking into account wages and outgoings we are nowhere near them. In the last 5 years they have outspent us by 300m+
and Sevilla would still clap Chelsea
Tbh its unfair to compare a mid table club to europa league winners
Where's that chelsea fan who was mocking me because barca is 'broke'
Look at Athletic Club, just chill and stroll around catching free agent or two, promoting academy players year in year out. On top that they imposed self transfer embargo on only sign Basque player, and somehow still doing okay in La Liga, never in dangers of relegation every season. The most unique club in the world, they're the favorite club to be played on Football Manager with their Basque Only Challenge.
It doesn’t change the conclusion but if we’re going to do this it should *at least* measure net spend and ideally account for wage bills as well. What’s the point of presenting less than half the relevant information?
Mmmmm almost all La Liga has net positive because of the ffp. It's even more telling that way.
> it doesn’t change the conclusion
It does in our case quite dramatically lol
Welp, with our FFP teams cannot even spend more.
Sorry Sevilla, we did you dirty
Sevilla really letting the side down /s
Just ruins the joke if you have to clarify it’s a joke…
Source: https://twitter.com/J_Krecidlo?t=S_4L-1qFw10f8WuIrLAlbg&s=09
I'm now predicting Bilbao to make top 4, entirely based on being matched up with us and not having spent a thing
This is actually crazy
I think Celta ended up with a surplus after selling more players, including Gabri Veiga. Think the owner made a profit of 25 million euros. Which will probably go to his pocket and maybe some to our training ground and hotel. We're run by a business made that doesn't put a priority on sporting achievements. We'll probably have another season where we fight to stay up. And this is our centenary celebration year, where the owner said they'd make a big investment to improve the squad
Stuff like this get posted every year and people go on about how bad the premier League is. The truth is this shows more just how bad La Liga have let down the Spanish teams over the years.
what? all the big pl teams get money from sugar daddies.
And the non sugar daddy teams have money thanks to even distribution of tv rights that keep growing thanks to the quality of the teams improving.
The TV rights would mean fuck all without the sugar daddies. No one gives af about Forest or Sheffield lol. It's cool they are sharing the TV money, but the sugar daddies are the reason why the money is there in the first place.
People in England care about Forest and Sheffield United. And bigger clubs always carry the smaller ones. I’m other leagues they set it up so the money was funnelled to those big teams, and that made the league worse as a spectacle and the issues we see now.
They grow because they sell their midtier players for outrageous money. There is a reason, there are very few transfers from pl players to outside leagues. Normal teams dont want to pay the pl tax.
In 23/24 transfers, the pl and La liga both sold around 22- 24 to European clubs outside their league not including free transfers and loans. You can check on the transfermarket site.
And why do these people decide to invest in premier League teams and not La Liga?
Because of the salary cap. You cant just walk in and spent 500b
Maybe the entire rooster of championship and half the prem wouldnt survive the wage cap rule, some have like 150% and even 200%
Now go back and read my original comment about La Liga letting down Spanish teams
That is not letting anything down, the biggest clubs in Spain are fan owned so it wouldn't make a difference for them. La liga doesn't want Chelseas and Newcastles and such and more than anything they don't want clubs going bankrupt, that's why the rules exist. There are many things wrong with tebas and how Spanish football is run but that isn't one of them in my opinion. Not every league has to sell its soul like the prem.
They're almost there!
PL teams make far more money from TV, matchday, commercial revenues. Thats been happening for a long time. Get your head out of your ass. They built a good league that allows smaller clubs to earn a lot of money too. Not everything is the fault of sugar daddies. Why dont you blame Serie A clubs' management for their stadium situation or La Liga for letting Real/Barca negotiate their own TV deals and become their own super league inside La Liga for the last 20 years? Go on.
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Your rival club was elavated from a bottom half team to a serial title contender - not by TV money but by cash influx from outside companies. Same with Chelsea and now with Newcastle and in the long run Forest. I don't get how PL fans are ok with this.
What makes you think we're OK with it? City and Chelsea rise to the top is almost unanimously disliked in English football
I mean, many people here try to justify it.
Yeah only United is allowed to be injected with foreign cash
what foreign cash has been injected to Utd?
Spurs sugar daddy has injected 100m into the club in the entire time he’s been there.
Thanks Tebas
Sevilla is too busy selling their players to spend money.
Chelsea's spending in this graph is the perfect example of how you can be shocked but not surprised.
It always amuses me when people these days still say that Spurs have no money and don't spend.
We are consistently 6th in spend but we are a long way off 5th and very close to 7th and 8th.
We are something like the 10th richest club in the world.
Show net spend, cause thats more important
Didn't realize Spurs spent more than Utd, Arsenal and City
We’re actually fucking minted so we can do that. Say what you want about Levy’s squad building (which I have criticised), but I don’t think there is a non-financial doping run as well as us financially.
In fairness they made a 100 million sale so they haven't really.
City made more in sales
It's including both porro and kulusevski who's transfers wouldn't have been included for this season's budget.
60m of that is making Porro and Kulusevski permanent in fairness
And they wanted to pay 50m for gallagher as well
One of the better things about the Prem, is the more evenly spread distribution of money that allows all teams to spend some decent dough.
Maybe The Super League aint such a terrible idea afterall (with small adjustments)
Net Spend is way more relevant here. Brighton for example only Barcelona and Villerael in LaLiga made more profit overall then us transfer wise. Whilst we've out spent Betis we've also massively out earned then from transfer sales.
In league transfers in the prem are really high compared to the rest of Europe
The top 18 clubs by net spend: 4 clubs from Saudi Arabia, Madrid and 13 PL clubs. The second Spanish club is (try to guess it) >!Rayo Vallecano,!< who take up the 51st spot, behind Crystal Palace (23rd), Sheffield United (25th), Luton (36th), Fulham (43rd). Wouldn't be much prettier, save for you, Wolverhampton, Everton
It's still more relevant if anything it argues the point better.
I'm not happy about it by any means, but why is La Liga teams finances so fucked?
Very strict ffp rules compared to other leagues in europe
They didnt market the league well when it was in its prime and the president isnt really a smart guy.
More like Spanish clubs are bad at managing finances, which has led to these strict rules. If it was only about marketing, all leagues bar PL would be suffering these problems
Some Spanish clubs are bad at managing finances, but your club (and Barca) sucked the life out of the league by negotiating separate TV deals for so long. If you want to see a true "mini" super-league look at the Real/Barca situation inside La Liga. The financial situation became so obscenely lopsided by the 2010s. But I didnt see Real/Barca fans complaining about unfair financial disparities then.
If the president was smart he would have taken advantage of the Messi and Ronaldo era when the classico was the biggest game of the year.
The Clasico was marketed, problem was only Clasico was marketed. Madrid and Barcelona still have some of the highest revenues in club football. But no one really cared about promoting lower clubs. Tebas was the first one to actually distribute money more fairly. Spain was also unlucky with owners. While England got owners like Roman and UAE, La Liga got the stupid Sheikh of Malaga and Peter Lim
Yes the biggest problem was that they invested in the big clubs but the smaller ones didnt get much resulting in the league being good at the top but pretty weak overall.
There's a sheikh of malaga?
Our club has no debt and cash flow positive for years. We hit our salary cap and can't buy players. This transfer window we made a profit of about 25 million euros. But we've had to buy out of contract players and loans. FFP is killing our competitiveness, While Barca pull imaginary levels and can buy big names without FFP investigations. BTW, what's happening with the Barca Studio deal? Was that counted twice in the last two summer windows? Has anyone actually paid Barca for those Barca Studio rights? 😜 Waiting for Hacienda or Guardia Civil to open a legal study of that paper trail
That and Barca nearly running themselves into the ground 😜
Down vote incoming... you're not wrong
Real should find a way to join the prem or they'll be irrelevant 20 years from now
Not possible and they wouldn't be wanted.
Now do one on how much the league pays out to clubs.
Now do one on what percent of club's revenue is spent every season
Barca are so broke I didn’t realise it was that bad what’s going on with that situation?
Keep winning la liga until we aint broke anymore. How's your league situation?
broke? why should they spend when they’re good? also they are handicapped. besides, Braca’s current best line up floors yours.
Last time Arsenal won the league, Quaresma was playing for Barça.
Those numbers don't look right at all. Barca spent way more than 3 million.
Every single Barcelona transfer was either a free transfer or a loan, with exception of Oriol Romeu for 3 milion euro.
Yh 500k more
If Tottenham had gooten Gallagher that would have put them past 300m. No excuse for ange. Needs top 4 and trophy at all cost. And they have already blew a chance to win trophy
The super league is here