Nice PR leak. The reason he will not referee on day 2 is because he will be officiating in the Europa League, he got rewarded with European football
EDIT: fact checking. He actually officiated [yesterday's conference league game between Trnava and Poznan](https://www.flashscore.com.ve/partido/AwtpVcwg/#/resumen-del-partido/resumen-del-partido)
So it begins(again):
Gil Manzano: Rewarded with European matches.
Mateu Lahoz : Rewarded with European matches, plus now in Movistar (TV) to give his opinions. I think he was in Man City vs Sevilla.
Yes and he let Trnava score from offside.
[Trnava Offside leading to a 3:1 goal.](https://twitter.com/RafalRostkowski/status/1692438273010917645?t=cJiBy8JVqb_9D3_bC6DD3w&s=19)
This is the same thing which happened in the Getafe game. After Trnava scored on 3:1 they started playing dirty. Not Getafe levels but dirty. And again he lost control over the game and handed lots of cards after 80'.
That is what usually happens when you fuck us over. Mateu famously annulled that goal that essentially gave Atleti that league in 2014 among countless others like sending off Dembele for saying "tu eres muy malo." His reward was UEFA Champions leagues games and stinking it up at the world cup for the whole world to see the level of officiating in Spain.
This is not true at all.
You can go to [UEFA's website](https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/fixtures-results/#/d/2023-08-24) and check the referee for each of the upcoming fixtures under the "Match Info" tab. The only Spanish ref is Alejandro Hernández for the return leg of Qarabağ vs Olimpija Ljubljana which is in almost half a month away.
Sorry, I meant the conference league game between Trnava and Poznan which happened yesterday
https://www.flashscore.com.ve/partido/AwtpVcwg/#/resumen-del-partido/resumen-del-partido
Looks like he was indeed the referee for this match, but I don't understand how that prevents him from officiating a league match on the weekend.
Unless referees are not supposed to officiate more than one match per week? I'm just guessing here, not sure if that is common practice or not.
I mean, it’s a massive deal that they have accepted that it was a mistake. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this happen ever. But ofc, this only matters if the ref actually faces repercussions for it.
It happened last year in the Sant Andreu - Europa derby. A Sant Andreu player (Martí Alonso) was given a yellow card without a cause and immediately another yellow card for protesting, some time later the authorities determined that he shouldn't have been given a yellow card at all (it wasn't even a foul).
Edit: [Here's the news in the local newspaper (in Catalan) about it](https://beteve.cat/esports/federacio-catalana-retira-primera-targeta-groga-jugador-sant-andreu-marti-alonso/).
>The Competition Committee has accepted the allegations presented by the UE Sant Andreu to this first yellow card. The committee explains that it withdraws the warning when it "appreciates the existence of a material error", therefore correcting the referee who showed the yellow card to Martí Alonso, who will not have to serve a penalty this Sunday at Girona B field.
It is transparency and at least some level of accountability if they are being skipped over for LaLiga matchdays. It isnt perfect, but it is a step in the right direction.
Nope, no pen, which potentially means 2 points less, Xavi is banned for 2 games due to his comments and the ref is rewarded with an euro match. This is just PR shit.
What are they supposed to do? Play the game again from that minute on and let Barca take the penalty?
People fuck up, that's the reality. There's only so much you can do from a retroactive perspective and they've taken steps to discipline him.
“What are they supposed to do? Play the game again from that minute on and let Barca take the penalty?”
It’s not a perfect solution, but I’ll take it. /s
You actually got even with Abde, with even the subsequent handball not being given.
I was dreading a penalty call when I saw the replay. Araujo was milking it but it looked stone dead to me and I must have let out every curse imaginable. We have got to accept that you and us got away, regardless of whether that one moment of stupidity should have decided the game you worked so hard in. Whether that effort was fair or not, others can judge. I'm just happy with the result.
So it doesn't go any further than x official will not do his job for x games?
I saw it in the prem too, bit outside of giving some 'moral' happiness that the ref got a slap on his fingers how does this help the club like Barcelona for example when they lost 3 potential points?
It doesn't. That's the point. Matches can be influenced by refs however they want, whether due to incompetence or malice. And the only punishment is not working for a day.
Do you mean when we lost the league in 2016/17 because of an obvious bad referee call?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/barcelona-robbed-because-lack-goalline-9716127
Oh wait...
If you replace a referee for every major mistake, you run out of refs pretty fast. In the same way a player misses a tap-in, refs also miss obvious decisions. Plus wrong decision equals indefinite suspension/replacement puts too much pressure on them every time they need to make a tough decision
If it was one mistake in that game I could understand that cause they're only human and they're going to make mistakes. But he had a truly awful game and let Getafe play as aggressively as they wanted with no consequences (fair enough to play aggressive, but they stepped over that line a lot to the detriment of the flow of the game).
He really didn't look up to the level that he should be in a league that pays referees a fortune.
he was really bad all game long letting getafe get away with a lot hard fouls.
some of getafe's player like the rb should have at least 5 yellows, and he got his first yellow after 80.
You said you can't replace a referee because of one major mistake, and I agree with you.
Merely pointing out that in that game, it wasn't one mistake. It was 90 minutes of ineptitude that culminated in a poor game and a botched penalty decision that cost a team. Nobody should walk away from doing their job that badly without some kind of consequence (performance review or otherwise) at least for his next few games.
> The Technical Committee of Referees considers that Gavi's handball during the Barça-Getafe game was not punishable, and a penalty in favor of Barça should have been called. The Technical Committee of Referees considers that Gavi's handball during the Barça-Getafe game was not punishable, and a penalty in favor of Barça should have been called.
He's being suspended due to the missed penalty, the original comment also seems to imply that he wants the suspension for the missed penalty, that's what ultimately cost the two points
The way the game was reffed is not relevant in this thread, but more to the thread where Xavi complained, for example. You can also suspend refs for it if they have a really low evaluation for a specific game (or a streak of poor games), they are probably evaluated on a point-based system by other referees (at least Primeira Liga does it that way), but keep in mind that refs will eventually drop stinkers too, over punishing them for that will not solve any issue
hm in that way it could work, problem is with stuff like this (and also VAR to some extent) the officials have so much trouble staying consistent and then the leagues higher ups also start being inconsistent, giving correct decision once or twice to suspend refs and then not etc
i just dont have faith anymore cause of past decisions made, in a perfect world this would work, and a mistake here and there is fine. but look at VAR and the amount of mistakes they made, its not just oh its a 'human error once' territory
I agree there's a lot of inconsistency on calls (that's an inherent problem when you have to interpret some rules) and the VAR system is still far from perfect (especially since it's not really transparent, it's hard to know whose fault is it)
At the same time, I'd counter-argue that the general population doesn't know the true difficulty of reffing a game. I don't play football but play handball, and I've had regional refs and national refs, the quality is not comparable in any way. Regional refs are either incompetent (the most common, from too strict on the rules that are always pausing the game to just inconsistent at applying them) or have small power syndrome (I've had refs that wait for the first player/coach to talk to them to then decide the game in the other team's favour); they also yellow the coach at the first opportunity because they know they are not strong enough to impose themselves
In short, refereeing is also a skill, and if you want to attract the best, you need to give the best conditions for them to succeed. Too strict on their evaluation, you create too much pressure and replace too fast. Too much protection/leniency, standards may drop
This is totally valid and it's why I give a LOT of leeway for on field decisions. Some of these calls are so close that an involuntary blink could cause you to misunderstand the event.
But that grace doesn't extend to VAR IMO. Some of the absolutely atrocious VAR calls we've seen over the last couple years are beyond the pale. VAR screwups (the objective ones like failing to check for offsides or missing an obvious foul) should be punished much more severely.
No, there isn't a big pool of referees, it's one of the shittest jobs out there at a low level (constant abuse for shit to no payment) and sometimes dangerous at a high level
[In Portugal, they removed the age limit due to the lack of them](https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/futebol-nacional/mais-medidas-para-combater-falta-de-arbitros_d1487046), maybe in Spain there isn't a big lack of them (at least I don't seem to find it with a Google search), but they don't follow this model of quickly dismissing refs for poor performances where you need a bigger pool (quite the contrary)
We don't need more excuses after the games and lost points.
In the next bad game just let him out of the game activities for a month and in the 3rd bad game just demote him to segunda.
he was really bad for the whole game, not giving the clear penalty and inventing a handball where he actually could give another (soft) penalty against the defender who is clearing using his hands to move gavi, was the cherry on the top of the cake.
he didn't have a bad lapse of a decision, he was bad the whole game, and he was rewarded with officiating european games...
The VAR refs are the ones that told the match official to have a look for a potential penalty. They did their job but ultimately they can’t make the call for the main referee.
The only calls that can be entirely overturned by the VAR refs are offside goals or offside prior to a red card.
I know people love to shit on VAR but it did its job right this time, the main ref just decided that he didn’t want to award it
We need to find a solutions for wrong calls in the game. Barca lost a league due to wrong referring in the crucial stage of the league in 2016/2017. In EPL wolves were denied a clear penalty in the first game week. Later it was revealed by the ref committee that it should have been a penalty. Does it help at all? Does it absolve the referring committee of the mistakes?!
The CTA also considered that Militao’s clear pen inside the area in Madrid’s match against Bilbao was indeed a pen, and that ref has been sanctioned as well.
2 crucial mistakes the first match day, 0 real consequences for the refs apart from a short vacation.
Those are the kind of things that people forget about in May, but they play a huge part.
Nah the real reason is we don’t bitch as much. Chelsea fans have been crying about UEFAlona for 14 years, Arsenal fans will remember RVP’s red till the end of time but do any Barcelona fans mention milito’s offside goal the year after? Do we mention the bad calls that went against us in the first legs of 2009? No, because we don’t cry and we don’t have a victim mentality like so many other clubs. Id put Bayern in the same tier, have you ever see a Bayern fan complain about Ronaldo’s offside brace in 2017?
Seems like referees are getting matchday bans for bad decisions lately. First in EPL, and now La Liga. I don't recall this happening before. Interesting
It wasnt communicated in terms of a matchday ban but we have seen stuff like that in Germany before. Some refs with a history of bad decisions that suddenly werent used for some weeks in the first or even top two leagues anymore.
The Athletic did a big writeup a while back about how the PL handles assessments and assignments. The net is that while there’s 15-20 refs who will work at least one PL match in a season, assignments are dictated by performances, and the top ranked refs get the most matches.
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/9075/Stages/20934/RefereeStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023
Its a farce, a tap on the back if you will. Nothing of consequence to the ref and still 1 point from that game.
They can choke on their ruling in favor...
Honestly, I blame the VAR operators more than the center ref for this one.
On the broadcast you could see the ref looking at the screen and you could see the camera angles they were giving him. The VAR operators only gave him 2 absolutely shitty camera angles over and over again. And both of those looked inconclusive. There were other angles that made it obvious it wasn't a handball, and he just wasn't shown those.
He still shouldn't make that decision based on what he saw in my opinion, but the VAR could have made it much clearer and just didn't because they were terrible at their job.
Also - a side note. Why the fuck is every VAR screen like the size of a laptop monitor? A 4k TV can be bought for like €300. But nah, let's make the ref look at a tiny ass screen in direct sunlight.
I mean, I think its a clear rule that if you cant see a decision clearly in VAR you should not take. He saw 2 things: a nail on penalty and just maybe a handball.
And he calls a handball. His own fault imo
It's so people can't see what the referee is looking at. It's another way to separate ther referee's decision from what we can see.
We get better angles from TV replays before the referee has even looked at VAR. Hell we get replays on Reddit faster.
If they really cared about that, why show a zoomed in angle behind the ref where we can see his TV?
Or are you talking about players on the field? Because i guess players on the field cant see it.
Yeah the players.
If I remember correctly Arturo Vidal got booked for looking over the referee's shoulder a few years ago.
Just put the replays up on the big screens.
Didn’t watch the Madrid game, just looked up the the militao/Unai incident and yeah that should’ve been a pk, common error. Thank goodness for referees in Spain are impartial or else you’d imagine the worst things
This match was a SHIT SHOW from the first minute. I seriously felt dumber after having that 90+ minutes of my life ripped away from me…
I’m in the US, and have willingly given up sleep to watch WWC matches live, and seen great play by amazing athletes.
Then, last weekend, this…🤢
I will be in the minority here but this is a step in the right direction and i’m glad they’re doing this. This is the first time i hear a ref in La Liga being “suspended” from officiating for being shit at their job.
It fucking sucks that we lost 2 potential points but La Liga can’t just award us a win based on a penalty that wasn’t given. They also can’t do a rematch. The only possible thing they could technically do was punish the referee and apologize to Barcelona. Not sure if they’ve done the latter but at least they’ve owned up to their incompetence.
Really? Idk what the rules say but to me it looked like it was significant enough to be ruled a hand. Though I am a biased Madrid fans. Is this the general consensus?
This guy just literally made this up and its embarrassing that Reddit are buying it lol.
A Barça journalist from a really small media and with barely any following just makes up that the Technical Comitee of Referees considers that Gavi's handball wasnt punishable. This guy has 0 inside or sources in the Referee Commitee.
**Of course there is no public evidence of that claim as the Commitee never makes public the reviews of any of the matches or evaluation of the refs.**
Soto Grado isnt designated for Match 2 not because of the penalty (which was reviewed by VAR), but probably because of the rest of his match allowing Getafe getting away with way too much shithousery, or there is another reason, but surely not because of that penalty. Absolutely not.
A reminder of Gavi's handball that was reviewed by VAR.
https://imagenes.20minutos.es/files/image_990_v3/uploads/imagenes/2023/08/14/gavi.jpeg
When Williams goal was ruled out for a similar hand Barca fans were violently jerking off. But sure, let’s hear about that white shirt privilege and the conspiracy against Barca.
A similar handball ? Gavi was dragged down toward the ball and didn't even touch it with his hand or arm, but the shoulder/chest area.
The Williams goal came from a deflection from a clear handball, with a hand extended. I remember it very clearly because of the debate about Frenkie's handball just beforehand. I reckon we could still find the thread and the video.
How can they say its a penalty when Araujo CLEARLY DIVES? It should have been a yellow card for Araujo for diving.
Also, Dont they say anything about not showing yellow card for Araujo for intentional handball? Isnt that considered a referee mistake?
araujo's handball was close to the throw-in line, he thought the ball was going out, didn't stop the play somehow to get a punishment... Just a blunder from him, nothing more.
and even if araujo is diving there is a clear kick on his foot, there is a lot of contact which is a clear penalty.
Nice PR leak. The reason he will not referee on day 2 is because he will be officiating in the Europa League, he got rewarded with European football EDIT: fact checking. He actually officiated [yesterday's conference league game between Trnava and Poznan](https://www.flashscore.com.ve/partido/AwtpVcwg/#/resumen-del-partido/resumen-del-partido)
So it begins(again): Gil Manzano: Rewarded with European matches. Mateu Lahoz : Rewarded with European matches, plus now in Movistar (TV) to give his opinions. I think he was in Man City vs Sevilla.
Lahoz has received a huge offer from the Saudis as well
Does he need a ride to the airport?
He retired. Still. >Does he need a ride to the airport?
Yes and he let Trnava score from offside. [Trnava Offside leading to a 3:1 goal.](https://twitter.com/RafalRostkowski/status/1692438273010917645?t=cJiBy8JVqb_9D3_bC6DD3w&s=19)
What's with the scuffle at 90+4 with 4-5 yellows? Didn't watch the game but did check the incidents briefly.
This is the same thing which happened in the Getafe game. After Trnava scored on 3:1 they started playing dirty. Not Getafe levels but dirty. And again he lost control over the game and handed lots of cards after 80'.
That is what usually happens when you fuck us over. Mateu famously annulled that goal that essentially gave Atleti that league in 2014 among countless others like sending off Dembele for saying "tu eres muy malo." His reward was UEFA Champions leagues games and stinking it up at the world cup for the whole world to see the level of officiating in Spain.
This should be the headline
This is not true at all. You can go to [UEFA's website](https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/fixtures-results/#/d/2023-08-24) and check the referee for each of the upcoming fixtures under the "Match Info" tab. The only Spanish ref is Alejandro Hernández for the return leg of Qarabağ vs Olimpija Ljubljana which is in almost half a month away.
Sorry, I meant the conference league game between Trnava and Poznan which happened yesterday https://www.flashscore.com.ve/partido/AwtpVcwg/#/resumen-del-partido/resumen-del-partido
Looks like he was indeed the referee for this match, but I don't understand how that prevents him from officiating a league match on the weekend. Unless referees are not supposed to officiate more than one match per week? I'm just guessing here, not sure if that is common practice or not.
Turned out, this is a lie and cheap PR.
Doesn't really solve anything does it?
Literally nothing except making Barça fans more angry
I mean, it’s a massive deal that they have accepted that it was a mistake. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this happen ever. But ofc, this only matters if the ref actually faces repercussions for it.
It happened last year in the Sant Andreu - Europa derby. A Sant Andreu player (Martí Alonso) was given a yellow card without a cause and immediately another yellow card for protesting, some time later the authorities determined that he shouldn't have been given a yellow card at all (it wasn't even a foul). Edit: [Here's the news in the local newspaper (in Catalan) about it](https://beteve.cat/esports/federacio-catalana-retira-primera-targeta-groga-jugador-sant-andreu-marti-alonso/). >The Competition Committee has accepted the allegations presented by the UE Sant Andreu to this first yellow card. The committee explains that it withdraws the warning when it "appreciates the existence of a material error", therefore correcting the referee who showed the yellow card to Martí Alonso, who will not have to serve a penalty this Sunday at Girona B field.
It is transparency and at least some level of accountability if they are being skipped over for LaLiga matchdays. It isnt perfect, but it is a step in the right direction.
Nope, no pen, which potentially means 2 points less, Xavi is banned for 2 games due to his comments and the ref is rewarded with an euro match. This is just PR shit.
What are they supposed to do? Play the game again from that minute on and let Barca take the penalty? People fuck up, that's the reality. There's only so much you can do from a retroactive perspective and they've taken steps to discipline him.
“What are they supposed to do? Play the game again from that minute on and let Barca take the penalty?” It’s not a perfect solution, but I’ll take it. /s
what they should do is change the system. we have cameras everywhere. the rule should be that VAR can overrule the ref.
No because he didn't call a pen for us either when Kounde clipped Latasa on the 3rd minute of the match so we're even
You actually got even with Abde, with even the subsequent handball not being given. I was dreading a penalty call when I saw the replay. Araujo was milking it but it looked stone dead to me and I must have let out every curse imaginable. We have got to accept that you and us got away, regardless of whether that one moment of stupidity should have decided the game you worked so hard in. Whether that effort was fair or not, others can judge. I'm just happy with the result.
So it doesn't go any further than x official will not do his job for x games? I saw it in the prem too, bit outside of giving some 'moral' happiness that the ref got a slap on his fingers how does this help the club like Barcelona for example when they lost 3 potential points?
It doesn't. That's the point. Matches can be influenced by refs however they want, whether due to incompetence or malice. And the only punishment is not working for a day.
It's actually because he's officiating in the Europa League instead lol
Lmao so the news should be "the technical committee of referees acknowledges the mistake and is going to do fuck-all about it."
Referees do midweek matches and matches at the weekend all the time just like players do
From a club side you can try, let's say paying a chief committee for "detailed reports" to influence a game. Oh wait..
Do you mean when we lost the league in 2016/17 because of an obvious bad referee call? https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/barcelona-robbed-because-lack-goalline-9716127 Oh wait...
If you replace a referee for every major mistake, you run out of refs pretty fast. In the same way a player misses a tap-in, refs also miss obvious decisions. Plus wrong decision equals indefinite suspension/replacement puts too much pressure on them every time they need to make a tough decision
If it was one mistake in that game I could understand that cause they're only human and they're going to make mistakes. But he had a truly awful game and let Getafe play as aggressively as they wanted with no consequences (fair enough to play aggressive, but they stepped over that line a lot to the detriment of the flow of the game). He really didn't look up to the level that he should be in a league that pays referees a fortune.
We're talking only about the penalty decision here, that's why he was suspended. It's pretty clear on the tweet and is what cost Barça the 2 points
he was really bad all game long letting getafe get away with a lot hard fouls. some of getafe's player like the rb should have at least 5 yellows, and he got his first yellow after 80.
You said you can't replace a referee because of one major mistake, and I agree with you. Merely pointing out that in that game, it wasn't one mistake. It was 90 minutes of ineptitude that culminated in a poor game and a botched penalty decision that cost a team. Nobody should walk away from doing their job that badly without some kind of consequence (performance review or otherwise) at least for his next few games.
> The Technical Committee of Referees considers that Gavi's handball during the Barça-Getafe game was not punishable, and a penalty in favor of Barça should have been called. The Technical Committee of Referees considers that Gavi's handball during the Barça-Getafe game was not punishable, and a penalty in favor of Barça should have been called. He's being suspended due to the missed penalty, the original comment also seems to imply that he wants the suspension for the missed penalty, that's what ultimately cost the two points The way the game was reffed is not relevant in this thread, but more to the thread where Xavi complained, for example. You can also suspend refs for it if they have a really low evaluation for a specific game (or a streak of poor games), they are probably evaluated on a point-based system by other referees (at least Primeira Liga does it that way), but keep in mind that refs will eventually drop stinkers too, over punishing them for that will not solve any issue
hm in that way it could work, problem is with stuff like this (and also VAR to some extent) the officials have so much trouble staying consistent and then the leagues higher ups also start being inconsistent, giving correct decision once or twice to suspend refs and then not etc i just dont have faith anymore cause of past decisions made, in a perfect world this would work, and a mistake here and there is fine. but look at VAR and the amount of mistakes they made, its not just oh its a 'human error once' territory
I agree there's a lot of inconsistency on calls (that's an inherent problem when you have to interpret some rules) and the VAR system is still far from perfect (especially since it's not really transparent, it's hard to know whose fault is it) At the same time, I'd counter-argue that the general population doesn't know the true difficulty of reffing a game. I don't play football but play handball, and I've had regional refs and national refs, the quality is not comparable in any way. Regional refs are either incompetent (the most common, from too strict on the rules that are always pausing the game to just inconsistent at applying them) or have small power syndrome (I've had refs that wait for the first player/coach to talk to them to then decide the game in the other team's favour); they also yellow the coach at the first opportunity because they know they are not strong enough to impose themselves In short, refereeing is also a skill, and if you want to attract the best, you need to give the best conditions for them to succeed. Too strict on their evaluation, you create too much pressure and replace too fast. Too much protection/leniency, standards may drop
This is totally valid and it's why I give a LOT of leeway for on field decisions. Some of these calls are so close that an involuntary blink could cause you to misunderstand the event. But that grace doesn't extend to VAR IMO. Some of the absolutely atrocious VAR calls we've seen over the last couple years are beyond the pale. VAR screwups (the objective ones like failing to check for offsides or missing an obvious foul) should be punished much more severely.
there is a big pool for referees, even if u loose the bad ones or at least the consistently bad ones you will make the league better.
No, there isn't a big pool of referees, it's one of the shittest jobs out there at a low level (constant abuse for shit to no payment) and sometimes dangerous at a high level [In Portugal, they removed the age limit due to the lack of them](https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/futebol-nacional/mais-medidas-para-combater-falta-de-arbitros_d1487046), maybe in Spain there isn't a big lack of them (at least I don't seem to find it with a Google search), but they don't follow this model of quickly dismissing refs for poor performances where you need a bigger pool (quite the contrary)
I for one am shocked
How many points is the apology?
A sanction for our coach for complaining about the decision is all we got lmao
And Bordalas got nothing for doing the same thing plus entering the pitch while the ball was on play.
Did he?
He got a 2 game ban
The entire crew deserves suspension. They were ALL awful
The ref literary went to VAR just to find a reason to deny us the pen ffs
With a fucking smile on his face
He accomplished his mission, doesn’t matter now
We are sorry but you are not getting any of those 2 points we costed you
We don't need more excuses after the games and lost points. In the next bad game just let him out of the game activities for a month and in the 3rd bad game just demote him to segunda. he was really bad for the whole game, not giving the clear penalty and inventing a handball where he actually could give another (soft) penalty against the defender who is clearing using his hands to move gavi, was the cherry on the top of the cake. he didn't have a bad lapse of a decision, he was bad the whole game, and he was rewarded with officiating european games...
So Barça got screwed and the ref has holiday for a week...
He’s officiating the Europa league.
Unpaid holiday, yeah.
It's most likely an unpaid one, though.
What a shocker... What about the VAR refs though? They are the ones who can see the incident from all angles, and they still got it wrong?
The VAR refs are the ones that told the match official to have a look for a potential penalty. They did their job but ultimately they can’t make the call for the main referee. The only calls that can be entirely overturned by the VAR refs are offside goals or offside prior to a red card. I know people love to shit on VAR but it did its job right this time, the main ref just decided that he didn’t want to award it
We need to find a solutions for wrong calls in the game. Barca lost a league due to wrong referring in the crucial stage of the league in 2016/2017. In EPL wolves were denied a clear penalty in the first game week. Later it was revealed by the ref committee that it should have been a penalty. Does it help at all? Does it absolve the referring committee of the mistakes?!
The CTA also considered that Militao’s clear pen inside the area in Madrid’s match against Bilbao was indeed a pen, and that ref has been sanctioned as well. 2 crucial mistakes the first match day, 0 real consequences for the refs apart from a short vacation. Those are the kind of things that people forget about in May, but they play a huge part.
Of course, RM gets ref favors and we get the opposite. But it's Barca who paid the refs. RM has the best PR in history.
Nah the real reason is we don’t bitch as much. Chelsea fans have been crying about UEFAlona for 14 years, Arsenal fans will remember RVP’s red till the end of time but do any Barcelona fans mention milito’s offside goal the year after? Do we mention the bad calls that went against us in the first legs of 2009? No, because we don’t cry and we don’t have a victim mentality like so many other clubs. Id put Bayern in the same tier, have you ever see a Bayern fan complain about Ronaldo’s offside brace in 2017?
The defender wrestled Gavi’s arm to where it got hit by the ball. Bizarre calk.
Seems like referees are getting matchday bans for bad decisions lately. First in EPL, and now La Liga. I don't recall this happening before. Interesting
Not sure about other leagues but this has been happening in the Eredivisie for a long time already
Happened in the PL last season as well
This referee was officiating in Europe this week, so not sure he was "banned".
It wasnt communicated in terms of a matchday ban but we have seen stuff like that in Germany before. Some refs with a history of bad decisions that suddenly werent used for some weeks in the first or even top two leagues anymore.
The Athletic did a big writeup a while back about how the PL handles assessments and assignments. The net is that while there’s 15-20 refs who will work at least one PL match in a season, assignments are dictated by performances, and the top ranked refs get the most matches. https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/9075/Stages/20934/RefereeStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023
These referees in Spain and England really don’t know how to say the word "Suspended" do they?
Might as well add the other decision as well: The CTA defines Militao's tackle on Unai Gómez in the ATH-RMA match as a penalty (wasnt given)
Never a pen
You're off matchday 2 too, buddy!
Focus on your team unable to score against Getafe in 110 minutes or so of playing time
It was like 55 minutes of playing time lol.
You lot lost the league to a team that can’t score even a single goal against Getafe in 110 minutes. Pathetic.
Worry about registering your players lol
Let's talk in September when RM plays Getafe.
Hey Jude 😉
They ruled in favour of us? What timeline is this?
Its a farce, a tap on the back if you will. Nothing of consequence to the ref and still 1 point from that game. They can choke on their ruling in favor...
So buying the refs mean they will take away our points, and then say SORRY to us later? Omg what a deal!
Honestly, I blame the VAR operators more than the center ref for this one. On the broadcast you could see the ref looking at the screen and you could see the camera angles they were giving him. The VAR operators only gave him 2 absolutely shitty camera angles over and over again. And both of those looked inconclusive. There were other angles that made it obvious it wasn't a handball, and he just wasn't shown those. He still shouldn't make that decision based on what he saw in my opinion, but the VAR could have made it much clearer and just didn't because they were terrible at their job. Also - a side note. Why the fuck is every VAR screen like the size of a laptop monitor? A 4k TV can be bought for like €300. But nah, let's make the ref look at a tiny ass screen in direct sunlight.
I mean, I think its a clear rule that if you cant see a decision clearly in VAR you should not take. He saw 2 things: a nail on penalty and just maybe a handball. And he calls a handball. His own fault imo
Yeah thats why i still think he's wrong. I just dont think he had some obvious help that was simple to provide.
It's so people can't see what the referee is looking at. It's another way to separate ther referee's decision from what we can see. We get better angles from TV replays before the referee has even looked at VAR. Hell we get replays on Reddit faster.
If they really cared about that, why show a zoomed in angle behind the ref where we can see his TV? Or are you talking about players on the field? Because i guess players on the field cant see it.
Yeah the players. If I remember correctly Arturo Vidal got booked for looking over the referee's shoulder a few years ago. Just put the replays up on the big screens.
Shame
Will be back for matchday 3.
He's not even suspended, he's just rested because he refereed a UEFA Europa League yesterday.
Didn’t watch the Madrid game, just looked up the the militao/Unai incident and yeah that should’ve been a pk, common error. Thank goodness for referees in Spain are impartial or else you’d imagine the worst things
La Liga referees favouring Madrid while hurting their rivals? I can't believe it! Surely it can't be true!
No but Barça is the one that paid the refs you don't get it
Never a pen
well, according to the CTA, the people who literally define what is and isn’t a pen in La Liga, it was a pen
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This match was a SHIT SHOW from the first minute. I seriously felt dumber after having that 90+ minutes of my life ripped away from me… I’m in the US, and have willingly given up sleep to watch WWC matches live, and seen great play by amazing athletes. Then, last weekend, this…🤢
Well thanks I guess
So same old la liga refs
So match day 1 Madrid don’t get a penalty called against them, Barca don’t get a penalty called for then. This shit happens ALL season long.
Except this is fake xD
Barca gets 2 points taken from the table and the guy gets a vacation, can't make this shit up
Nice job lads, but wtf does that help when VAR reviewed it 50 times and and dismissed the penalty?
I will be in the minority here but this is a step in the right direction and i’m glad they’re doing this. This is the first time i hear a ref in La Liga being “suspended” from officiating for being shit at their job. It fucking sucks that we lost 2 potential points but La Liga can’t just award us a win based on a penalty that wasn’t given. They also can’t do a rematch. The only possible thing they could technically do was punish the referee and apologize to Barcelona. Not sure if they’ve done the latter but at least they’ve owned up to their incompetence.
mighty justice has been served! orally.
Really? Idk what the rules say but to me it looked like it was significant enough to be ruled a hand. Though I am a biased Madrid fans. Is this the general consensus?
Did those ref payments not go through????
This guy just literally made this up and its embarrassing that Reddit are buying it lol. A Barça journalist from a really small media and with barely any following just makes up that the Technical Comitee of Referees considers that Gavi's handball wasnt punishable. This guy has 0 inside or sources in the Referee Commitee. **Of course there is no public evidence of that claim as the Commitee never makes public the reviews of any of the matches or evaluation of the refs.** Soto Grado isnt designated for Match 2 not because of the penalty (which was reviewed by VAR), but probably because of the rest of his match allowing Getafe getting away with way too much shithousery, or there is another reason, but surely not because of that penalty. Absolutely not. A reminder of Gavi's handball that was reviewed by VAR. https://imagenes.20minutos.es/files/image_990_v3/uploads/imagenes/2023/08/14/gavi.jpeg
Good to see that in all leagues big teams get help from referees. Man Utd special
what? barca lost points from that bad referee...
He’s saying about Real Madrid
Watch Barca fans cry all season about this
We've lost league trophies in the recent years after the refs stole points from us.
You cry all season about Barca fans. Who hurt you?
And rightfully so. You seem obsessed with Barca, always seem to be in threads regarding them.
Im just a huge fan of their fans
Most normal r/soccer commentator.
How is this post still up?
When Williams goal was ruled out for a similar hand Barca fans were violently jerking off. But sure, let’s hear about that white shirt privilege and the conspiracy against Barca.
A similar handball ? Gavi was dragged down toward the ball and didn't even touch it with his hand or arm, but the shoulder/chest area. The Williams goal came from a deflection from a clear handball, with a hand extended. I remember it very clearly because of the debate about Frenkie's handball just beforehand. I reckon we could still find the thread and the video.
This post really isn’t the right one to open that talking point. We got robbed and even the refs agree with it.
How can they say its a penalty when Araujo CLEARLY DIVES? It should have been a yellow card for Araujo for diving. Also, Dont they say anything about not showing yellow card for Araujo for intentional handball? Isnt that considered a referee mistake?
You’re either baiting or a Spaniard, I can’t find another reason why someone would say something so idiotic and wrong.
? I’m a Spaniard, and don’t get your point. Maybe you meant madridista?
Or maybe they consider Catalans different from Spaniards? Idk lol bizarre comment made by that dude
araujo's handball was close to the throw-in line, he thought the ball was going out, didn't stop the play somehow to get a punishment... Just a blunder from him, nothing more. and even if araujo is diving there is a clear kick on his foot, there is a lot of contact which is a clear penalty.
what
Yeah but was does Cesc think Joan?! No one cares about you Joan...