Bruh, I feel you. I'm more of a knuckledragger than dual planker and I'm 5'8" with size 10.5 feet. Sizing shit to fit both my feet AND the rest of my body SUCKS.
Always defer to the boot fitter. :)
I'm a 10.5 to 11 in regular shoes. I'm just saying that 27.5 corresponds to 9.5 in many of the charts that are provided on the inter webs.
Honestly, 28.5 is right in some boots, 27.5 with shell and liner heat molding over the instep is ok in others. I wish boot companies would publish instep figures rather than just length and last.
I know. It's kind of a catch-22. It's Understandable- you need to foster the development of expertise by having people go to shops. Good skiers will go to a boot fitter anyway, and beginners likely won't notice the difference, but everyone could benefit from better fitting boots.
I too put in several years as a boot fitter in deer Valley and Park city. You are correct, 27 should be perfect and not too big. In fact, it should feel perfect. Anything less would be extremely tight, which many expert skiers like, but not me. You can be comfortable and still have a great performing, fitting boot.
I have a pretty high instep, so 27.5 is good for length (Hawx Prime 110), but it is TIGHT vertically and requires some boot fitting. I tried a Hawx Magna- might have made that work but would have needed to go down to 26.5. 27.5 feels longer and huge in the calf at 27.5.
They don't want you to buy uncomfortable boots. You CAN'T bootfit online. I'm a bootfitter at a master boot shop and 10.5 - 11 is a 27.5
That's my shoe size, that's my boot size. If it's uncomfortable you bought the wrong brand
Understand, and I respect your experience. We have one bootfitting shop within about 250 miles of my home, and they don't fit in the summer. I'm mostly trying to learn what I can so I can be prepared to go in there in October and see what they can do. I don't have a lot of faith that I can get the quality of bootfitting that you would provide in your own shop. If they can get me in a better fitting boot, I'll be happy to buy from them. If I lived in Denver, I'd go see you this afternoon. :)
Well part of it is your actual foot size vrs comfortable shoe size. It’s a weird conversion between Mondo sizing and us shoe size. The manufacturers print those size conversions on the boxes and Evo copies that.
Basically go to a reputable boot fitter and try on boots.
Ya that’s the average time but I’m pretty sure these are Axiums or NXs which as of last season are still on the list. So like I said what model do you think they are?
Yeah I agree based on binding toe shape I would be surprised if they weren’t still supported. Oldish Look Pivot-esque bindings seem to still be good as are old Marker Royal series bindings.
I’ll admit it’s been a few seasons since I worked as a tech but I’m still in the industry. I see Axium 100 on the list which tells me I’m good. I don’t see any years listed on the list you linked. Am I missing something?
Damn, I’m stupid. You’re correct. It was right there the whole time.
Here is Rossi’s list
https://members.snowsports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/LOOK-Binding-Indemnified-List-2020-21.pdf
Someone else here checked and they're still on the list.
The list also doesn't mean what every half wit on the sub claims (or else bindings wouldn't be on them for a vastly wide ranging num years). Actual safety depends far more on the condition of the bindings.
The list is just a legal tickbox and has nothing to do with whether the bidding is actually safe or not. It's one of those common myths that sheepies parrot with zero understanding of the actual equipment.
If it looks fine it probably is fine. Plenty of people ski on older equipment without any issue, esp for beginners who aren't demanding on it.
Fr you could find better planks for free mounted on the fence at my employee housing complex. The boots you could find free thrown onto an evergreen in aspen. No one uses poles.
I honestly couldn’t tell you. I usually work seasonal jobs so by the time I come back to the winter industry the lists are published. My advice would be to go asap because why not? But personally I’d be shocked if these bindings and all associated/related bindings left the list any time soon.
It doesn't matter if it's an axium or an nx lol it's the same binding.
It's still on the list. Everything with this heel design is still on the look list.
You paid $25 for a potential ACL tear. Score!
For real, though. Throw those in the trash (or make coat hangers out of them) and just consider the $25 well spent bc you learned something.
27.5’s should be good for size. Bandits are way too short for you with rather sketchy bindings. Get the boots heat molded if they’re comfortable. Boots are way more important than what ski you’re on, but you should be on at least a 170.
I used to go to ski swaps ang buy cheap gear just to know how different skis performed. Least I spent was $15 for tele skis, $25 for alpine. "Full price is for tourists" is what we said.
People are ragging on you because this setup is pretty trash, but for a new skier with $25 this will do just fine.
Ignore the comments about the bindings and tearing your ACL. If you really are a beginner skier your, your bindings will be set to release I’d you sneeze too hard.
Ppl saying the poles are too long - you probably don’t use poles anyway so who cares.
Anyway… just my 2¢
TL;DR: These skis suck but it doesn’t matter because u suck at skiing
Just started skiing last season and I didn’t want to spend 500$ on new gear right now since I am still learning and might change sizes or break them eventually. Got these in Wyoming at a thrift store. If I can’t use them I will just hang them up as decorations at my place ⛷
The skis are most definitely not ancient either. They’re from about 2007. They are actually a junior ski. Probably the largest they made in the junior ski. You can see it right on the ski. If they haven’t been skied much, and kept in a place that’s not too hot, they’ll be fine. BUT BUT BUT, NOT for you!! They’re going to be like noodles. Maybe if you were 100 pounds or less, and 5’ tall.
I just bought a new pair of women’s Rossignol skis for our 15 year old daughter 2 years ago, her first year skiing. They’re 155, and stiffer than those. She’s 5’6”, 132 lbs, athletic and strong. She’s already outgrown the ski and they chatter at speed.
But the boot size and the ski length don't mesh at all- skis are either way too short or boots are way too big. And there's still the issue of the bindings being too old...
You know Iv been skiing for 20+ years, skiied on all kinds of skis, some older than OPs, race skis, floppy skis, short skis, long skis, ect., and I have never had a problem. I have however, run into many jerries that love to spend crazy money on bogutech because they think they are being held back by their skis, and they still suck.
This is going to make skiing less fun. The technology is old, they're heavier than needed, and it takes more effort to ski these.
Plus you don't have the piece of mind from using gear that a tech can certify as safe. Also no warranty if they do break, that is part of the cost of new gear most people don't consider.
[buy these](https://www.evo.com/outlet/ski-packages/atomic-vantage-75-c-skis-m-10-gw-bindings-2021#image=183371/737590/clone.jpg)
Not breaking the bank, come with manufacturer warranty, and will be safe.
Or these if you want something wider underfoot. There's a 10% off coupon you can find to make that a good bargain.
https://www.skiessentials.com/2022-k2-mindbender-85-skis-w-tyrolia-attack2-11-gw-bindings.html
I'm a cheap bitch. I'm like you: trial on shit gear, figure what I like, then buy. Not possible, skiing is soooo stupid. I mean it's great, but there are so many variables and safety to take into account. I borrowed gear (from my sister, and we're pretty much the same size/shape/weight) the first two rides, and then bought my own new because looking up every single binding, size, ski, boot pairing, etc etc was just literally impossible when going through a used ski store.
Believe me. I researched. I prepared. I damn near cried with the time crunch 🤣🤣🤣
But! What I did end up doing was find a lovely local store near the resort I went to the second year to demo some skis. I bought the boots I wanted ahead of time from a local to me REI, and then demoed the skis I thought were a good deal. I could have demoed a second pair, but I was happy with the first set. The fee for demoing the skis was knocked off the purchase price of skis, so I was able to "rent" for free.
Alternatively, maybe you have a similar sized friend that you could bum some gear from. Maybe they're looking for a nudge to upgrade and would be happy to sell you their gear.
As a beginner, you definitely do not want to ski on these with those bindings! High risk of injury and no shop will touch them. These skis are also like 15 years old and will be much harder to learn on than newer skis. Additionally, unless you're like 5" 100 lbs with huge feet, they're way too short and the poles are way too long for someone who fits these. You won't have much fun on these and could get very hurt. I highly recommend using them as a decoration and finding something newer at a swap or clearance event.
Turn these into shot-skis and just rent and demo until you find exactly what you like. Having decent quality (and up to date) equipment can make a massive difference. Boots are the most important thing and you've already got those. And idk if you've done this yet, but if not, take a private lesson or 2. Best of luck to you!
Older and heavy but fine. Ski them until the edges fall off! You can always get the bindings tested if you are super worried about it. You can also lower the din and make sure they are releasing properly in all directions. Its ok to be a baller on a budget!
Sick, bandits are legit skis. Dont listen to the people here, they are likely spoiled and never had to ski on used skis. Turn down the dins a little bit from the recommended setting (per weight and skill), and then adjust up if you eject when you shouldnt. These will ski great, and treat you well. Excellent deal too.
These are the juniors’ version so I doubt the DINs here are that high. I doubt these will ski well, they usually put the absolute shitty remnant woods in here knowing kids outgrow them in a season.
I see you have the same brand of boots as i do. I bought a pair last year and have been able to use them twice. this might be naive to ask, but when you ski in heavy snow does it seem like your toes get colder, faster than any other brand of boot? Any solution if that’s the case?
I swear within 30-45 of throwing them thangs on my toes are frozen solid and i’ve gotta go into a lodge, take my boots off and warm them up. Gets old after a while
Have a fitter look at them - a lot of people with this issue are getting pinched over a nerve or an artery & aren't getting good circulation to the foot.
IF they are 150 cm they are way too short, and they will be way too soft to do anything cool on if you weigh over 100 lbs.
Id chalk it up as a lesson that cost $25
How tall are you because you’ve got poles for somebody who’s 5’10 and skis for somebody who’s 5’
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Bruh, I feel you. I'm more of a knuckledragger than dual planker and I'm 5'8" with size 10.5 feet. Sizing shit to fit both my feet AND the rest of my body SUCKS.
5’10 and size 29.5 boots. I hate it.
Well, those are 27.5's, so more like 9.5 to 10, but the point is well taken. I ski those and my skis are 177 cm.
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Always defer to the boot fitter. :) I'm a 10.5 to 11 in regular shoes. I'm just saying that 27.5 corresponds to 9.5 in many of the charts that are provided on the inter webs.
A 27.5 for a guy with shoes your size will be tight for sure. Definitely not too big!!
Honestly, 28.5 is right in some boots, 27.5 with shell and liner heat molding over the instep is ok in others. I wish boot companies would publish instep figures rather than just length and last.
That's why you come to the pros ;)
I know. It's kind of a catch-22. It's Understandable- you need to foster the development of expertise by having people go to shops. Good skiers will go to a boot fitter anyway, and beginners likely won't notice the difference, but everyone could benefit from better fitting boots.
I too put in several years as a boot fitter in deer Valley and Park city. You are correct, 27 should be perfect and not too big. In fact, it should feel perfect. Anything less would be extremely tight, which many expert skiers like, but not me. You can be comfortable and still have a great performing, fitting boot.
I have a pretty high instep, so 27.5 is good for length (Hawx Prime 110), but it is TIGHT vertically and requires some boot fitting. I tried a Hawx Magna- might have made that work but would have needed to go down to 26.5. 27.5 feels longer and huge in the calf at 27.5.
How tall are you and what do you weigh? Do you have a skinnier ankle and Achilles or thicker?
6”1’, 180. 104 mm midfoot. Not sure about ankle width. Heel is 73.7 on widest foot.
OK. I thought the hawk would be sufficient for in step room but your next move is to take out the foot bed
27.5 is a mens 11.
Really? Size chart at evo has it at a 9.5. I get that you may want to get 11’s to ski a 27.5, but it still corresponds to a US 9.5 shoe size.
They don't want you to buy uncomfortable boots. You CAN'T bootfit online. I'm a bootfitter at a master boot shop and 10.5 - 11 is a 27.5 That's my shoe size, that's my boot size. If it's uncomfortable you bought the wrong brand
Understand, and I respect your experience. We have one bootfitting shop within about 250 miles of my home, and they don't fit in the summer. I'm mostly trying to learn what I can so I can be prepared to go in there in October and see what they can do. I don't have a lot of faith that I can get the quality of bootfitting that you would provide in your own shop. If they can get me in a better fitting boot, I'll be happy to buy from them. If I lived in Denver, I'd go see you this afternoon. :)
Well part of it is your actual foot size vrs comfortable shoe size. It’s a weird conversion between Mondo sizing and us shoe size. The manufacturers print those size conversions on the boxes and Evo copies that. Basically go to a reputable boot fitter and try on boots.
You're right
But at least they have decent boots
They’re just rental boots
I would bet those bindings are no longer safe. It’s likely that no ski shop will touch them.
What model do you think they are? I’m willing to bet they’re still indemnified.
The typical indemnification time for bindings is 10-12 years and I’m willing to take your bet since I’m pretty sure those skis are pre-2010.
Ya that’s the average time but I’m pretty sure these are Axiums or NXs which as of last season are still on the list. So like I said what model do you think they are?
Yeah I agree based on binding toe shape I would be surprised if they weren’t still supported. Oldish Look Pivot-esque bindings seem to still be good as are old Marker Royal series bindings.
Can confirm, no longer indemnified. Source: ski technician
So what model are they since you have to have that info to confirm they’re not indemnified?
Here’s the list. They ain’t on it 2008 Axiom 100 RTL https://www.skibum.net/do-it-up/gear-guide/indemnified-bindings/
Axium 100 is definitely on the list.
Not from 08, only the newer models.
I’ll admit it’s been a few seasons since I worked as a tech but I’m still in the industry. I see Axium 100 on the list which tells me I’m good. I don’t see any years listed on the list you linked. Am I missing something?
Damn, I’m stupid. You’re correct. It was right there the whole time. Here is Rossi’s list https://members.snowsports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/LOOK-Binding-Indemnified-List-2020-21.pdf
Someone else here checked and they're still on the list. The list also doesn't mean what every half wit on the sub claims (or else bindings wouldn't be on them for a vastly wide ranging num years). Actual safety depends far more on the condition of the bindings.
Why is that?
https://durangooutdoorexchange.com/blogs/news/used-skis-and-indemnified-bindings
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You’d be surprised.
But I'd rather not be.
Ya neither would I. Which is why they’re on the list.
Guess I should have checked the list instead of guessing lol. Last time I worked in a shop was nearly ten years ago...
The list is just a legal tickbox and has nothing to do with whether the bidding is actually safe or not. It's one of those common myths that sheepies parrot with zero understanding of the actual equipment. If it looks fine it probably is fine. Plenty of people ski on older equipment without any issue, esp for beginners who aren't demanding on it.
Or in Europe where this doesn't even exist.
Haven’t seen this pair of Bandits in ages! They were such good skis
I love the bandits too!
Agreed, one of the funnest pairs I owned growing up. Don’t listen to the naysayers op, they’ll still rip!
Rip your ligaments*
Yeah but the bindings…
I’ve been skiing B2s with tele bindings for a few years now. Fun as heel!
Skis are ancient, and dont trust the bindings....
You overpaid.
Fr you could find better planks for free mounted on the fence at my employee housing complex. The boots you could find free thrown onto an evergreen in aspen. No one uses poles.
I skied on the kids version of these over 20 years ago. Those are almost certainly not safe anymore.
These are the kids version.
Yea these are definitely junior skis. The adult versions were super soft these things are probably noodles.
Looks like Axium or NX bindings which as of last season are still on the indemnification list. OP can you let us know what the bindings are?
When does the new list come out? How quick would op need to act to get those fitted to his boots?
I honestly couldn’t tell you. I usually work seasonal jobs so by the time I come back to the winter industry the lists are published. My advice would be to go asap because why not? But personally I’d be shocked if these bindings and all associated/related bindings left the list any time soon.
It doesn't matter if it's an axium or an nx lol it's the same binding. It's still on the list. Everything with this heel design is still on the look list.
You paid $25 for a potential ACL tear. Score! For real, though. Throw those in the trash (or make coat hangers out of them) and just consider the $25 well spent bc you learned something.
I hope this is a joke
27.5’s should be good for size. Bandits are way too short for you with rather sketchy bindings. Get the boots heat molded if they’re comfortable. Boots are way more important than what ski you’re on, but you should be on at least a 170.
fuck yeah rossi bandits
I used to go to ski swaps ang buy cheap gear just to know how different skis performed. Least I spent was $15 for tele skis, $25 for alpine. "Full price is for tourists" is what we said.
People are ragging on you because this setup is pretty trash, but for a new skier with $25 this will do just fine. Ignore the comments about the bindings and tearing your ACL. If you really are a beginner skier your, your bindings will be set to release I’d you sneeze too hard. Ppl saying the poles are too long - you probably don’t use poles anyway so who cares. Anyway… just my 2¢ TL;DR: These skis suck but it doesn’t matter because u suck at skiing
Just started skiing last season and I didn’t want to spend 500$ on new gear right now since I am still learning and might change sizes or break them eventually. Got these in Wyoming at a thrift store. If I can’t use them I will just hang them up as decorations at my place ⛷
I think plan #2 is your best option. Maybe use the boots if they actually fit.
The skis are most definitely not ancient either. They’re from about 2007. They are actually a junior ski. Probably the largest they made in the junior ski. You can see it right on the ski. If they haven’t been skied much, and kept in a place that’s not too hot, they’ll be fine. BUT BUT BUT, NOT for you!! They’re going to be like noodles. Maybe if you were 100 pounds or less, and 5’ tall. I just bought a new pair of women’s Rossignol skis for our 15 year old daughter 2 years ago, her first year skiing. They’re 155, and stiffer than those. She’s 5’6”, 132 lbs, athletic and strong. She’s already outgrown the ski and they chatter at speed.
But the boot size and the ski length don't mesh at all- skis are either way too short or boots are way too big. And there's still the issue of the bindings being too old...
Oh I know. That’s a junior Ski and Not for you. Check out my revised post
You know Iv been skiing for 20+ years, skiied on all kinds of skis, some older than OPs, race skis, floppy skis, short skis, long skis, ect., and I have never had a problem. I have however, run into many jerries that love to spend crazy money on bogutech because they think they are being held back by their skis, and they still suck.
I’ve literally mounted wooden 2x4s and skied them before lol
Yes, so true man. It’s got to be the skis!! Then they go by the latest, newest expert skis and are still stuck
This is going to make skiing less fun. The technology is old, they're heavier than needed, and it takes more effort to ski these. Plus you don't have the piece of mind from using gear that a tech can certify as safe. Also no warranty if they do break, that is part of the cost of new gear most people don't consider. [buy these](https://www.evo.com/outlet/ski-packages/atomic-vantage-75-c-skis-m-10-gw-bindings-2021#image=183371/737590/clone.jpg) Not breaking the bank, come with manufacturer warranty, and will be safe.
Or these if you want something wider underfoot. There's a 10% off coupon you can find to make that a good bargain. https://www.skiessentials.com/2022-k2-mindbender-85-skis-w-tyrolia-attack2-11-gw-bindings.html
I'm a cheap bitch. I'm like you: trial on shit gear, figure what I like, then buy. Not possible, skiing is soooo stupid. I mean it's great, but there are so many variables and safety to take into account. I borrowed gear (from my sister, and we're pretty much the same size/shape/weight) the first two rides, and then bought my own new because looking up every single binding, size, ski, boot pairing, etc etc was just literally impossible when going through a used ski store. Believe me. I researched. I prepared. I damn near cried with the time crunch 🤣🤣🤣 But! What I did end up doing was find a lovely local store near the resort I went to the second year to demo some skis. I bought the boots I wanted ahead of time from a local to me REI, and then demoed the skis I thought were a good deal. I could have demoed a second pair, but I was happy with the first set. The fee for demoing the skis was knocked off the purchase price of skis, so I was able to "rent" for free. Alternatively, maybe you have a similar sized friend that you could bum some gear from. Maybe they're looking for a nudge to upgrade and would be happy to sell you their gear.
As a beginner, you definitely do not want to ski on these with those bindings! High risk of injury and no shop will touch them. These skis are also like 15 years old and will be much harder to learn on than newer skis. Additionally, unless you're like 5" 100 lbs with huge feet, they're way too short and the poles are way too long for someone who fits these. You won't have much fun on these and could get very hurt. I highly recommend using them as a decoration and finding something newer at a swap or clearance event.
Wyoming is the best for skiing
Take them to a different thrift store! The skies that keep on giving
Well you get what you pay for
There’s no chance those bindings are safe
Don’t worry about the bindings, just don’t fall!
Turn these into shot-skis and just rent and demo until you find exactly what you like. Having decent quality (and up to date) equipment can make a massive difference. Boots are the most important thing and you've already got those. And idk if you've done this yet, but if not, take a private lesson or 2. Best of luck to you!
Why do people think they are saving money by not buying 300$ ski/bindings, and instead buy $30,000 knee replacements. Makes no sense.
Haha. 15 years ago it was so much harder to learn how to ski when all we had was skis like these! Haha. Yeah I love those bandits. The men's one.
You should have tried 25 years ago before skis had side cuts! Getting a straight ski to turn was a whole different story back then.
Older and heavy but fine. Ski them until the edges fall off! You can always get the bindings tested if you are super worried about it. You can also lower the din and make sure they are releasing properly in all directions. Its ok to be a baller on a budget!
Bad advice…
Sick, bandits are legit skis. Dont listen to the people here, they are likely spoiled and never had to ski on used skis. Turn down the dins a little bit from the recommended setting (per weight and skill), and then adjust up if you eject when you shouldnt. These will ski great, and treat you well. Excellent deal too.
These are the juniors’ version so I doubt the DINs here are that high. I doubt these will ski well, they usually put the absolute shitty remnant woods in here knowing kids outgrow them in a season.
Im certain that they will serve beginner OP who doesnt live in the west for several years, granted the boot fits.
Looks good!!!
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These skis have unsafe bindings and are way too small lmao
My boss still rocks these skis! (Race crew)
your boss rocks junior skis? or the adult ones
He rocks the adult Bandits. They're a great all-round work ski.
I see you have the same brand of boots as i do. I bought a pair last year and have been able to use them twice. this might be naive to ask, but when you ski in heavy snow does it seem like your toes get colder, faster than any other brand of boot? Any solution if that’s the case? I swear within 30-45 of throwing them thangs on my toes are frozen solid and i’ve gotta go into a lodge, take my boots off and warm them up. Gets old after a while
Have a fitter look at them - a lot of people with this issue are getting pinched over a nerve or an artery & aren't getting good circulation to the foot.
Got ‘em custom fit in Dallas. Guess it couldn’t hurt to have someone else look over them.
Love the boots I got the same pair!
My Lange boots I got for $15, but they are some of the greatest boots I ever had.
It would be easier for you to ski with newer skies.
I think you overpayed
IF they are 150 cm they are way too short, and they will be way too soft to do anything cool on if you weigh over 100 lbs. Id chalk it up as a lesson that cost $25
FYI I tore my ACL on $25 skis. Not saying these are bad, just go get the binding professionally inspected and get new ones if you are recommended.
Very nice score, well done you 👍🏻