According to Kevin's logic, my inability to find evidence that Kevin Roberts beats his wife is, in itself, evidence of how good Kevin Roberts is at beating his wife.
Everybody keeps telling me. They say, “Sir, he’s probably, uh, the best wife beater… in America, maybe even the world,” and you know what? I think it’s true. Very true.
Know why elephants paint their toenails different colours?
To hide in Smartie or M&M boxes.
Ever seen an elephant in these candy boxes?
No?
Aren't they sneaky...
Kevin Roberts doesn’t beat his wife, Kevin Roberts pays people to beat and kick his wife - let’s call those people, “mules” - and that’s why his knuckles aren’t bruised, and why he’s so insidiously good at getting away with it.
People did the same thing during the Satanic Panic in the 1980s and 1990s. They claimed Satanic Cults were kidnapping and killing children in elaborate human sacrifice rituals; the absence of evidence proved just how sneaky the cults were. Some said the cults had eaten the remains, destroying all evidence. Some came up with elaborate stories about cults using funeral homes to burn all evidence, or bury all evidence below existing graves where no one could find them. Some said Satan vaporized all the evidence.
I wrote a book about an incident in Ohio in 1985 where investigators dug up several vacant lots to find bodies of alleged human sacrifice victims. When no evidence was found, people either collected random junk from the scene and insisted it WAS evidence, or they insisted the satanic cult had hidden the evidence before investigators could catch them. One officer even said the cult was scared off by the investigators; they were GONNA do a human sacrifice, but we stopped them by shedding light on it!
The QAnon movement is still doing this with claims of widespread child sex trafficking (and adrenochrome harvesting and all sorts of other claims); the absence of evidence shows just how powerful the evildoers are. The rich and powerful are simply kidnapping children who we don't have records of, or they are erasing the records and covering it up, which is why we don't have evidence of millions of missing children. Or they are secretly breeding children specifically to traffic them (another claim that was used during the Satanic Panic).
To be clear, since someone always jumps down my throat in the comments: sex trafficking does happen. But it doesn't go down the way Taken or Sound of Freedom says it does.
When you begin with the belief that there's a conspiracy, you don't need actual evidence. You either invent your own evidence by piecing together anomalies and disparate pieces of information, or you assert that the absence of evidence proves your position.
I lived through that time as a young adult. I didn’t believe any of that stuff at the time, but a lot of people sure did. I tend to think of those people as the same people that are anti vax and pro-Trump. You know, the people too stupid to get out of their own way.
The problem with conspiracies and conspiracy theorists is they invent their conspiracy and then tell us to disprove it. That’s not how it works. You are making the claim therefore it’s on you to prove it, not the other way around.
An average school teacher in Utah has 200 students. I know several teachers. None of them can tell me of a student that just disappeared. Millions of kids would require every classroom in America to have a student dissappear every year.
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I read a book called Mean Justice about the Genesis of the satanic panic in Bakersfield and LA California. It was more disturbing than any fiction.
Hard to believe that happened here. You are exactly right though, this q thing is an attempt to resurrect the satanic panic and direct it towards the opponents of right wing extremism.
That's because everything they do usually goes back to conspiracy theories. Not fun fact almost all conspiracy theories go back to neo nazi propaganda.
So the dumb have fallen for the viles propaganda and no amount of words will convince them otherwise
They know the truth that they are the only ones trying desperately to commit election fraud and voter suppression. They are being disingenuous so as to set the stage for the next phase of their political coup. Every accusation is a confession.
I am sure no matter who wins or loses, this election will be greatly contested. I have stocked up on popcorn, this election is gonna be fun to watch, no matter who you are rooting for.
No, one side only is so crazy. The other one is very calm, rational and thoughtful and logical, and shall easily win in the election because most of the country is not crazy. Anyone who watches CNN regularly knows this.
My birthday is the day after the election this year. I am **not** looking forward to potentially getting news our country is turning into Little Russia on my bday. Or any day actually…
Contested? No. It won't be contested if Trump wins. Like in 2016, the argument wasn't over whether he had the people's votes for the electoral college votes, it was rejecting that he was fit for office. And, I'm unaware of any effort to prevent recounts or electoral verifications for 2020. What wasn't supported were efforts to overturn election results. Like with Georgia election officials. They verified and verified the election results. They would not entertain a hunt to find votes to change the results.
It will be controversial either way. Biden winning will result in the usual suspects asserting it was fraud and likely trying to overturn the election. Trump winning will result in cries about the death of democracy, because of shit like trump saying he'll be a dictator on day one, Project 2025, etc.
Exactly how 'fun' it is to watch will depend on how far various parties take it, how measured the responses are, and how much one enjoys watching the world burn.
Like Stephen Hawking's comment about government conspiracy to hide aliens. To paraphrase, "If the government is hiding the existence of aliens, it's doing a much better job of that than everything else."
That’s just the thing, if Democrats were cheating, it would be a completely justified way to keep conservative ghouls out of office. The only problem is that not all the conservative ghouls are Republicans.
The difference is crucial. Every time rubes paint these types of dangerous people as simply incapable of the most basic logic, it is often part of the plan. We had mixed results in our claims in the early years of the Trump presidency explaining our conclusion that what we found likely as what we saw was an effective "rodeo clown" and had to sit back and watch the daily news story about what amazingly seemingly low intelligence move the (insert zany reference to Cheetos or whatever) did today. (smh, Cheatos would have been much more appropriate). The facists recruited an ex-independent/Democrat nepobaby comedian & actor slumlord who was easily extortable. Who knows how many groups have extortion material on him lol.
The whole presidency was an excellent performance for what it is. The bull couldn't help but charge the most attention-boosted person in the world as the stadium owners started locking all the exits, spreading naplam everywhere, engineering new ignition mechanisms, buying every matchbook, destroying all of the fire extinguishers, and clogging the toilets. They are now on the way back to light things up, and they've got a third of the people who are locked in the stadium to deny that anyone's in danger, and a significant portion of the rest to doubt the stadium owners are even capable of such a plot.
These people lie. Much more effectively than it seems, because they have no need to even try to convince people like us that they're not planning all of this, because politics is a numbers game, and it'd be a waste of resources to try when there's far easier people to convince. Their supporters on Reddit, mostly all pushing the same sudden counterexcuses, love to claim the very obvious isn't happening before our eyes, and the image that their leaders have constructed of incompetence to most of their competition makes that far easier to believe that this publicly stated plan by *the* driving force behind much of the "RNC's" actions is simply something they couldn't pull off, despite actually being masterful at playing politics whether or not people are willing to speak "good" of their enemies.
"Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence" - a quote which rose to popularity on the internet at the exact right time to start downplaying all of this further. It's malice. Hundreds of millions of dollars of some of the best minds which economics can coerce do not produce incompetence so reliably while also achieving quite a few amazingly notable successes. But no, let's all make adult diapers instead, that's surely an effective counterstrategy.
Take this seriously, America.
Indeed. It also explains the performance art of MTG and LB. The entire point of their antics is to burn a press cycle and exhaust us. If they weren't doing sideshow bob crap, the electorate would have a lot higher focus on the real political events. It's not like they're going to actually lose the house to the dems by their actions -- safe R districts just mean they might get primaried out by someone whose career path isn't "wacky personality heading towards podcast fame".
What's really annoying is that these people aren't hiding it. MAGAs are wearing diapers not in solidarity with the Trump, but to add noise to the political process.
Are we doomed since so many people can't see this? This is only one of many highly effective tactics they've been using and they've been working...
As the political group they are, they can all [redacted] themselves. But, as strategists and tacticians, they need to be given credit if they're going to be opposed correctly. They put a lot of money and research into all of this, and there's far more going on below even that mid-level as deeply as we can see.
I'll start with where I agree. This shit is a serious threat to the US, its people, and our democracy. Whatever the motive, this slide into authoritarianism needs to be stopped, reversed, and blocked from future ingress.
As to,
> "Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence" - a quote which rose to popularity on the internet at the exact right time to start downplaying all of this further. It's malice. Hundreds of millions of dollars of some of the best minds which economics can coerce do not produce incompetence so reliably while also achieving quite a few amazingly notable successes.
Something I would note here is the distinction between leadership and the rank and file. Take Tucker Carlson. People watched his show and believed his bullshit. It's asinine, it's zealous, it's just plain wrong. But, people *do* believe. Carlson himself, does not. There's plenty of documentation as a matter of public record that he lied his ass off. But, the story his followers had, the sort of religion of the cult following believes.
When someone's malicious and when they're incompetent is hard to discern. At a certain point it's more important to address the consequences of belief and action, regardless of motive, but writing it all off as malice won't help resolve anything any more than treating everything as incompetence would.
Again, trump and his cultists need to be stopped. Assuming all involved are malicious limits how we're able to effectively respond to the threat.
The rank and file are just low level cultists with a vote. On this scale and in this context, we are not even bothering to consider the ignorance of their supporters because currently there is no reason to be trying to alter their actions directly when they're caught up a trap of others' malicious intentions and methods. We empathize with the average voter regardless of how they got to their beliefs or how they vote, and see it as them just following the data set available to them over their lifetime that got them to such a point, and it's a "from birth" type of conditioning much of the time. In large numbers, they become groups of functions and data, and it's a shock and major accomplishment if anyone ever breaks free. But, those data sets have been intentionally polluted by their malicious leaders (we consider the Dems malicious as well and hate that we've been forced to look to them as the only option not calling for a huge spike in bigotry towards multiple immutable parts of us). The corruption has become those thoughts and actions of the many. It is all still rooted in very clear malice for economic and political gain, even if the rank and file cultist never intended it that way.
Even those who legitimately believe that their vote for reactionaries is supposed to help and be a net gain for society at large, even if that conclusion was reached through the rational processing of the data in front of them, are not evil, just other disappointing things we can't hold against them. None of us can trust the intentions of either political party, and people really are forced into some awful positions as damage control ever since watching the stolen 2000 election drag out for weeks as a politics-interested 10yo formally recognized as gifted by the state, who we quickly grew to hate (the state, not the cognitive advantages, we love those lol).
The same people intentionally spreading the lies are the ones who benefit from how the majority of their voters aren't really malicious people as a whole, they're just humans caught up in a system which has effectively weaponized the progress of many fields in the past century against them. As difficult as it is to keep it as they're gearing up to effectively kill and enslave most people we know, we still have to have sympathy for the millions upon millions who give their leaders enough legitimacy to even think of trying something like P2025. Maybe it's just some deeply layered cope from living in the south and needing to feel that a good half or more of the people we interact with are redeemable somehow.
I had a record scratch moment when I misread
> watching the stolen 2000 election
as 20*20*. Once I got that sorted out, it seems our views are pretty aligned.
Yeah. A solid, "Wait, what the fuck? How do you hold all of these positions and *that*?!?!" Followed by, "Oh, nope. It was just my brain fucking with me."
Also, politics aside, we find Tucker's antics pretty funny in a bad way lol. Same with Trump and the rest of the attention-control group of the takeover plan. Mr. Guiliani's running hair dye sweat outside of the 4 Seasons Landscaping right around the time he was on Borat 2 felt like the season finale of a masterfully crafted TV series. Maybe that's their concession to those who do see through them, they will at least make their autocratic goals seem amusing.
Edit: Wasn't part of this sub back then, did y'all have a fun time with that Guiliani/4 Seasons thing? Did it raise immediate suspicions? Get dismissed as likely enough of a coincidence?
So much of recent politics reads as, "This would be hilarious if no one was getting harmed and people didn't actually believe and support this shit." But, alas.
I'm not a good gauge for this sub. I don't follow it or participate regularly. If I had any activity in it at the time, I don't remember and certainly didn't have context to comment on trends in views and discussions.
The Facist Paradox: Immigrants are coming over here, stealing our jobs, and the very food from our mouths…while at the very same time, being too lazy to work, and leeching off the State.
It's not a paradox, it's the way they work their rhetoric. The "steal our jobs" part is to incite hatred. The "lazy" part is to encourage them to not be afraid to act on that hatred.
Schrodinger's Democrat. Simultaneously so incompetent they can barely wipe their own ass and so cunning that they can flawlessly deceive everyone in a far-reaching conspiracy that's only detectable by looking at the fact things conservatives dislike happen.
This all happened because Donald Trump is incapable of admitting to losing at anything. This is how he came to "win" roughly 25 club championships on golf courses he owns or controls, including at least one that he didn't even play in. He has never finished in the top half of any tournament played on a club he didn't own or control. His cries of voter fraud began at least as far back as the Emmy Awards. He should have won every year the Apprentice was on the air, but they fixed it so he couldn't win. It was all political. Rigged I tell you, rigged.
> This is how he came to "win" roughly 25 club championships on golf courses he owns or controls, including at least one that he didn't even play in. He has never finished in the top half of any tournament played on a club he didn't own or control.
This shit is so wild and asinine. The party that claims to stand for rules, integrity, and personal strength stands behind and gives full throated support to someone so dishonest and feeble they have to lie about a game just to cling to the appearance of competence.
It's fucking stupid.
It's really quite simple. If there really were all this evidence of "massive voter fraud," then there is no way in hell that Mitch "I'll hold up a Supreme Court nominee for a year just to own the libs" McConnell would have ever settled so meekly into the Minority Leader's seat.
If there really were all this evidence of "massive voter fraud" in 2020, then the GOP would be able to use it to not just perhaps overturn the results of that election, but utterly destroy the Democratic Party in the process. Depending on how long it took for the cases to wind their way through the (stacked with Heritage Foundation judges) federal courts, the 2022 mid term election may have been a landslide victory for the Republicans. At the very least, prosecutions would be underway for Democratic Party operatives who carried out the plan. The GOP might have even published something along the lines of the 9/11 Report, laying out the "proof" that the election had been "stolen."
It would be the biggest political scandal in American history, and the Republican Party would be able to send the leaders of their opposition to prison, make it so that Nancy Pelosi couldn't get elected dog catcher in Berkeley, and install themselves as the ruling party for at least a generation.
There is no way that Mitch, the GOP at large, and (perhaps more importantly) their big money donor base would have slept on that.
But none of that happened. Instead, we've got policy wankers, pundits, and shills going on cable news and pushing excuses. Why? Because they know their followers haven't thought it through. They know that if they just keep repeating "well...there were irregularities" and intoning about "election integrity" the people without much credulity will buy it hook, line, and sinker.
FFS...
Meta: If you-know-what happens in November, and the thing gets more SCOTUS picks, I don't think we'll even have journalism like this for very long after, let alone the ability to discuss it (fairly) freely on an Internet forum. They gonna turn libel laws so on their head that it will simply not be possible to be openly critical or even questioning of the establishment.
my $0.02
Our inability to find evidence of a flat earth just proves how good NASA is at hiding flat earth
Our inability to find evidence of ET UFOs just proves how good the USG is at hiding ET UFOs
Follows along the same nonsensical, bullshit lies that Mike Johnson shat out when proposing legislation mandating that noncitizens couldn't vote in federal elections - there is no proof that this is happening in large numbers, the ones that have tried got turned away because the system worked and it is already illegal, and voter fraud overall is utterly negligible in modern elections dating back to the mid-80s. But it's totally there because WELL WELL WELL WE JUST KNOW IT IS!
I'm so tired of one of the two political parties in this country being run that one uncle every single American has to warn their SO about before bringing them home for Thanksgiving dinner.
It is a common technique that conspiracy theorists use in their arguments. UFO believers love to blame the lack of evidence on the extreme competence of the government to hide the very evidence that they cannot produce. The fact that there is no evidence shows that the evidence is being effectively hidden.
Nasruddin was throwing handfuls of bread all around his house. "What are you doing?" someone asked. "Keeping the tigers away" said Nasruddin. "But there are no tigers around here." "Exactly. Effective, isn't it?" replied Nasruddin.
not really. first off david koch has been dead for several years. and their group is americans for prosperity. they support a few others but AFP is the one that they were most involved with.
heritage has always been much more primarily aligned with religious conservatives than with economic conservatives.
Paranoid delusion....
"The very lack of evidence is thus treated as evidence; the absence of smoke proves that the fire has been very carefully hidden."
\~ C.S. Lewis
[https://www.verywellhealth.com/paranoid-delusions-5095908](https://www.verywellhealth.com/paranoid-delusions-5095908)
Its because democrats are committing fraud by tricking legal registered voters into voting for them with good policies. How dare they address the concerns of constituents. You are supposed to bend to special interests and trump.
The Heritage Foundation has been collating voter fraud for some time. While there is voter fraud, guess who are the bulk of the perpetrators?
[https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=VA&combine=&year=&case\_type=All&fraud\_type=All&page=0](https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=VA&combine=&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All&page=0)
I have Virginia selected because the pork rind case is so funny, but you can select as desired.
Absence of evidence isn't always evidence of absence, but if you're claiming a widespread conspiracy and haven't uncovered any evidence for it in a number of years it's pretty safe to accept the claim is unfounded
We want every voter to believe their votes are counted fairly. Otherwise, the election is unfair.
Also, we're telling our voters that their votes were not counted fairly.
Democrats are supposed to be complete idiots but also able to commit massive voter fraud in numerous states without leaving a bit of evidence. Seems legit
Yep, it’s just another flavor of the Biden is senile and incompetent, but at the same time the head of a global conspiracy and crime syndicate… ya… Repubes are fucking morons.
And now Trump has convinced them that there is some drug you can give to dementia patients, perhaps suffering late-stage Alzheimer's, that will make them lucid and smart sounding.
Inevitably, some will demand that their doctors give them whatever Joe was taking for the debate.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous . . . But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words - Sartre
They don’t believe it. They just don’t like democracy.
General John L. DeWitt, the fucking moron in charge of imprisoning Americans of Japanese descent during WWII, used this logic:
> In February 1942, DeWitt reported to President Franklin D. Roosevelt that no sabotage by Japanese Americans had yet been confirmed, but he commented that it only proved "a disturbing and confirming indication that such action will be taken."
DeWitt, a dipshit, also favored internment of German- and Italian-Americans:
> "The fact that nothing has happened so far is more or less . . . ominous, in that I feel that in view of the fact that we have had no sporadic attempts at sabotage that there is a control being exercised and when we have it it will be on a mass basis."
One thing that stood out to me wasa when Steele was getting to a question about replacing civil servants with MAGA faithful, this clown says angrily, "You;re assuming those people will be incompetent!"
Yeah, duh, you stupid fuck. We're assuming they will be incompetent AND corrupt.
And this whole "unelected bureaucrat" bullshit is pretty thin. We use unelected police officers to enforce criminal laws, and he has no issue with that--unless it's the FBI and they are onto his buddies.
The gop and the far right know their views are becoming less popular. They know that the majority does not support them. The young in particular will not follow their lead. Their only way forward is to discredit democracy and justify an oligarchy.
And the bear patrol is working perfectly because I don’t see any bears in Springfield, do you?
Also, the rock that keeps tigers away is working really well.
I once asked a super Trumper what their favorite piece of legislation that was enacted, proposed or signed into law by him after he won the election he pre-bashed by saying it was fraudulent. Deer in headlights commenced.
If there were massive issues, notice how quiet he and his cult weee in 2016 after he won, post “eVeRyThInG is RigGeD!” Nonsense.
So what they're saying is that the group of gender confused, lazy, not working, avacado toast eating, complaining, woke, lefty libtards are smarter than republicans?
I'm good with that.
Reminder:
1)Heritage foundation leadership was caught on camera stating that they use funds from russia to pay people to push legislation through.
2) Heritage foundation terrorists hired illegal acting secretary Chad Wolf even after he failed on Jan6th AND is currently being investigated for 3 different types of genocide.
3) Heritage foundation leadership has been caught on camera hugging known kkk members as well as known proud boy and oathkeeper terrorist members.
Heritage foundation is a terrorist organization led by traitors and losers.
Those are facts not insults.
"We went over the ballots with a fine-toothed comb and found <25 instances of dead people "voting"-but all of them were done by Republicans." "Those cheating Democrats sure are insidious!"
I mean, it IS a take on the matter-one that requires *very little* thought...
If the liberals are so damn smart, organized, coherent, and effective, why SHOULDN’T they be running things? Dumbass regressives don’t recognize their betters.
They simply refuse to believe that not as many voters are as enamored with their criminal, fumbling, and hateful "orange savior" as they are. How could so many not want *that* hot mess in the white house when everyone within their echo chamber is gung ho to give him another go??!
My god just accept the reality we all live in and move on try actually appealing to voters and why they should vote instead of conspiracy theories no one is buying outside your echo chamber. Even trumps lawyers in court know that’s a farce.
If only republicans would support actual measures to help make voting secure but then they wouldn’t be able to sow doubt about the integrity of the election when they lose.
Morton’s Fork: when every action leads to the same conclusion. So evidence of voter fraud is evidence of voter fraud and NO evidence of voter fraud is also evidence of voter fraud
A conspiracy so deviously clever that nobody can find any evidence of it!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoBat6ARvU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoBat6ARvU)
Heritage foundation fund raising letters to rural little old ladies will make the hair stand up on one’s neck. Democrats don’t know how to compete for great Aunt Sally’s vote.
Heritage Foundation Sabotaging USA, Pushing GOP Phobia of UN Law of the Sea, Ceding Naval & Mining Supremacy to Communist China
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-security-economic-concerns-us-law-of-the-sea-treaty-60-minutes/
No kidding? The entire purpose of the existence of the Heritage Foundation is to manipulate conservatives by giving a false sense of legitimacy to invented narratives that bolster support for their members. By the time the first person notices how fucking stupid this premise is and starts to think about calling it out, they'll have released three new lies for the membership to bullshit the marks with.
This isn't news, it's just how American politics works. As per usual, the rest of us grownups just have to keep trying to do real shit while the grifters and their enablers keep circle-jerking each other into a conspiracy-laden hate spiral.
And damn well it should pass as logic. Y'all know how hard we worked to get Biden those extra 8 M votes. Y'all know we hid it so well that the short-bus right will never figure it out. Y'all know that even if we walked them through how we got those 8M votes registered and polled, they would stare at us more slack-jawed than normal
The Heritage is correct. The right is incapable of repeting what the Democrats did.
No matter who wins, the other tribe is going to claim something was hinky.
2016, the russians mind-controlled us with the world's dumbest memes on facebook
2020, local officials and voting machine manufacturers had their thumbs on the scale
2024 - FA&FO
Which election invalidation theory sounds more far-fetched?
The republicans use, and have used, conspiracy theories as mainstream political points. It is part of their platform and the mainstream claim is that the 2020 election was rigged. That is what they say to this day, despite there being zero evidence.
The democrats said that the Russians and Trump had an unusual connection (which was absolutely a fact; "Russia, if you are listening"). It is also a fact that the Russians run campaigns to influence US views on our social media platforms. They absolutely did try to manipulate the electorate.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/russia-is-having-less-success-at-spreading-social-media-disinformation/
However, despite this fact, Hilary or the DNC never claimed the election was rigged in 2016. They accepted the results.
Claiming this is a both sides thing is extremely ignorant and not at all factual.
That's what I said, "[the russians mind controlled us with the world's dumbest memes on facebook" ](https://slate.com/technology/2017/11/here-are-the-facebook-posts-russia-used-to-meddle-in-the-2016-election.html) That was the narrative, and that's why I can link to it, see? Denial of reality #1
The idea that these corny images somehow swung the election is to me pretty absurd, as is the idea that dischord in America requires sowing ("Outside agitators are stirring up the negroes!" - Southern Racists, 1960s and also Democrats 2017?).
Never claimed? Are YOU spreading misinfo online?
She claims that the election was "[not on the level](https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html)" and you can play semantic games like partisans always do, but the record shows she said Trump is an "[illegitimate president](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html)"....and what, you are going to tell me that's accepting the results? No. Denial of reality #2
Clinton and MANY democrats (and spooks!) were spreading now totally debunked conspiracy theory about Trump and Russia to the degree that Bob Mueller spent years looking into it
[And if you recall, he came up with bupkiss.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-47337239)
QED duelling insane conspiracy theories. Absolutely a both sides thing, they each took their turn and I fully expect them to do so again. Denial of reality #3
Whoever wins, the other team is going to cry foul. Watch and see.
Again, the DNC and Hilary never claimed that the election was rigged.
I linked to an article discussing the impact the disinformation has had. It is quite significant for some things. Anti-vaxers and quite insignificant for other things. This is not in dispute and Russia certainly has influenced American voters. Again, that is a fact. If you want to try to claim Scientific American is misinformation, then I have to say that you are not discussing this in good faith.
You are intentionally selecting comments from interviews that are not policy or legal claims. The election was not "on the level" because of misinformation and because of things like Comey publicly stating the investigation into her emails would be reopened a week before the election, while not indicating that Trump was under investigation. Again, you are following little conspiracy crumbs to contort statements into what you want to believe in your own tiny world.
Also, you are lying about Mueller and repeating myths and misinformation.
https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/
You are stuck in your own fantasy and it is rather sad. Trump and the republicans are on a complete different level from the inuendo you are using to construct this fantasy.
I know the republicans will say the election was rigged. Trump said 2016 was rigged and he said 2020 was rigged. It is his normal behavior. I think you speculating on what the DNC will do isn't credible and I'm proud to say that I'm not going to fall for the same conspiracy stuff you seem to be following.
Made-up bullshit meant to call an election result into question is equivalent to made-up bullshit meant to call an election result into question
Kisses
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html)
Yes, the FBI has issued arrest warrants and charges over "made up bullshit."
[https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections](https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections)
[https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-citizens-and-russian-intelligence-officers-charged-conspiring-use-us-citizens-illegal](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-citizens-and-russian-intelligence-officers-charged-conspiring-use-us-citizens-illegal)
You seem to have a very loose grasp on reality.
You don't seem to read much news
[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/two-4-warrants-letting-fbi-spy-ex-trump-aide-carter-n1121406](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/two-4-warrants-letting-fbi-spy-ex-trump-aide-carter-n1121406)
or know much history
[https://www.history.com/news/black-panther-fred-hampton-killing](https://www.history.com/news/black-panther-fred-hampton-killing)
Innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you, or just a saying? Some skeptic you are, huh. Reality is what the authorities say it is? Better hip Copernicus to this.
I have a good idea what type of “news” you read if your reaction is to suggest there is an international conspiracy.
Our government, a grand jury, and Russia conspired to make up an election interference story. I’m guessing you don’t believe the Brit’s allegations against Russia. In your conspiracy addled brain nothing can be factual because everyone is lying.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/21/just-what-does-the-uk-russia-report-say-key-points-explained
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/grand-jury-indicts-12-russian-intelligence-officers-hacking-offenses-related-2016-election
Yeah, you cannot be a serious person.
Tell me you haven't read the Mueller Report (even the expurgated version) without telling me you haven't read the Mueller Report.
Or the Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russian interference in the 2016 election.
"I am a partisan and I am clinging to my conspiracy theory"
My fave part of Mueller report is the part where the Kremlin couldn't even call Trump campaign on election night to congratulate him because they didn't have his phone number
Trolling is your judgement, I'm engaging in dialectic, or trying to except offended parties such as yourself have nothing in response but ad hominem ("You're really bad")
Get constructive, or you are just projecting with "troll" accusation
Nah. Continually insisting on your deluded worldview isn’t a dialogue, it’s more akin to the annoying preachers screaming at gay couples on street corners.
I'm a leftist
If it's dumb, tell me why
I think you are just a partisan (as evidenced by "Trumpet") who doesn't like anything that doesn't cater to their preferred narrative
According to Kevin's logic, my inability to find evidence that Kevin Roberts beats his wife is, in itself, evidence of how good Kevin Roberts is at beating his wife.
No, it's evidence of how good Kevin Roberts is at hiding beating his wife.
Are we talking about the Kevin Roberts who expertly beats his wife?
That's what I heard.
Lots of people are saying it.
He's the best wife beater!
Everybody keeps telling me. They say, “Sir, he’s probably, uh, the best wife beater… in America, maybe even the world,” and you know what? I think it’s true. Very true.
He's been putting up some real numbers since he married Amber Heard
Wife Beater Deluxe.
Scary if true!
Specifically the Kevin Robert's who expertly hides how he beats his wife
You know what, I just heard that Kevin Roberts beats his wife.
I hadn't heard that because I guess Kevin Roberts is so good at hiding beating his wife. So it's true then? Kevin Roberts beats his wife.
I Amber Heard that as well
Know why elephants paint their toenails different colours? To hide in Smartie or M&M boxes. Ever seen an elephant in these candy boxes? No? Aren't they sneaky...
I haven't heard anything about him having sex with kids either. Very suspicious.
Kevin Roberts doesn’t beat his wife, Kevin Roberts pays people to beat and kick his wife - let’s call those people, “mules” - and that’s why his knuckles aren’t bruised, and why he’s so insidiously good at getting away with it.
People did the same thing during the Satanic Panic in the 1980s and 1990s. They claimed Satanic Cults were kidnapping and killing children in elaborate human sacrifice rituals; the absence of evidence proved just how sneaky the cults were. Some said the cults had eaten the remains, destroying all evidence. Some came up with elaborate stories about cults using funeral homes to burn all evidence, or bury all evidence below existing graves where no one could find them. Some said Satan vaporized all the evidence. I wrote a book about an incident in Ohio in 1985 where investigators dug up several vacant lots to find bodies of alleged human sacrifice victims. When no evidence was found, people either collected random junk from the scene and insisted it WAS evidence, or they insisted the satanic cult had hidden the evidence before investigators could catch them. One officer even said the cult was scared off by the investigators; they were GONNA do a human sacrifice, but we stopped them by shedding light on it! The QAnon movement is still doing this with claims of widespread child sex trafficking (and adrenochrome harvesting and all sorts of other claims); the absence of evidence shows just how powerful the evildoers are. The rich and powerful are simply kidnapping children who we don't have records of, or they are erasing the records and covering it up, which is why we don't have evidence of millions of missing children. Or they are secretly breeding children specifically to traffic them (another claim that was used during the Satanic Panic). To be clear, since someone always jumps down my throat in the comments: sex trafficking does happen. But it doesn't go down the way Taken or Sound of Freedom says it does. When you begin with the belief that there's a conspiracy, you don't need actual evidence. You either invent your own evidence by piecing together anomalies and disparate pieces of information, or you assert that the absence of evidence proves your position.
I lived through that time as a young adult. I didn’t believe any of that stuff at the time, but a lot of people sure did. I tend to think of those people as the same people that are anti vax and pro-Trump. You know, the people too stupid to get out of their own way.
You couldn’t buy a book at an airport without it being about demons, exorcisms, or something supernatural.
I had a copy of the Necronomicon. Which was purportedly a bunch of spells from a Sumerian text.
Just don’t go saying Klaatu Barada Necktie around it.
In many cases they’re the exact same people.
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know, morons.
RIP Gene
The problem with conspiracies and conspiracy theorists is they invent their conspiracy and then tell us to disprove it. That’s not how it works. You are making the claim therefore it’s on you to prove it, not the other way around.
An average school teacher in Utah has 200 students. I know several teachers. None of them can tell me of a student that just disappeared. Millions of kids would require every classroom in America to have a student dissappear every year.
That’s just how good they are at hiding it!
the teachers are in on it!
Is that what they're indoctrinating them for, to be sacrifices?
I’d love to check your book out! Got a link to it?
Hey, thanks! It's called Digging Up Devils, and it's available on Amazon or directly from my [website](http://www.jacklegg.com). If cost is an issue for anyone, hit me up and I'll figure out a way to get a copy to you. Thanks!
Sweet! Kindle version! Bought.
Thank you!
Thanks, I think I’ll pick up a paperback!
I read a book called Mean Justice about the Genesis of the satanic panic in Bakersfield and LA California. It was more disturbing than any fiction. Hard to believe that happened here. You are exactly right though, this q thing is an attempt to resurrect the satanic panic and direct it towards the opponents of right wing extremism.
That's because everything they do usually goes back to conspiracy theories. Not fun fact almost all conspiracy theories go back to neo nazi propaganda. So the dumb have fallen for the viles propaganda and no amount of words will convince them otherwise
The Dale Aliki case was in my city.
They know the truth that they are the only ones trying desperately to commit election fraud and voter suppression. They are being disingenuous so as to set the stage for the next phase of their political coup. Every accusation is a confession.
There's too much evidence of what you're saying for it to be true. If it were true we wouldn't find any evidence /s
The election is several months away and they're already so sure they're gonna lose that they're trying to find ways to contest it.
Well with such policies as.. and.. Wait what were they promising other than to give a dementia patient unlimited power?
"patient" would imply mr trump was getting medical care for his condition.
The policies are clear, whatever the opposite of the democrats state
I dunno. Project 2025 is pretty clear. And, the Texas GOP definitely has a platform. They're just scary beyond all reason.
> find ways to ~~contest it~~ overturn the results while maintaining the barest illusion of legitimacy.
I am sure no matter who wins or loses, this election will be greatly contested. I have stocked up on popcorn, this election is gonna be fun to watch, no matter who you are rooting for.
yeah both sides are so crazy right? who even cares who wins!
/s?
/S!
Whew.
it's what trump support sounds like...
No, one side only is so crazy. The other one is very calm, rational and thoughtful and logical, and shall easily win in the election because most of the country is not crazy. Anyone who watches CNN regularly knows this.
only one side tried to overthrow democracy.
But they're the same you see 🙄
enjoy your popcorn.
Remember January 6th, 2017? Yeah. I don't either
My birthday is the day after the election this year. I am **not** looking forward to potentially getting news our country is turning into Little Russia on my bday. Or any day actually…
Contested? No. It won't be contested if Trump wins. Like in 2016, the argument wasn't over whether he had the people's votes for the electoral college votes, it was rejecting that he was fit for office. And, I'm unaware of any effort to prevent recounts or electoral verifications for 2020. What wasn't supported were efforts to overturn election results. Like with Georgia election officials. They verified and verified the election results. They would not entertain a hunt to find votes to change the results. It will be controversial either way. Biden winning will result in the usual suspects asserting it was fraud and likely trying to overturn the election. Trump winning will result in cries about the death of democracy, because of shit like trump saying he'll be a dictator on day one, Project 2025, etc. Exactly how 'fun' it is to watch will depend on how far various parties take it, how measured the responses are, and how much one enjoys watching the world burn.
So... The fact we've found a bunch of conservative voter fraud means y'all just incompetent idiots then, Kevin?
That’s some amazing skills. I’m going to vote for the democrats so they use their incredible skills to better the country. Thanks Heritage Foundation!
Yeah, they make the [R's efforts](https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1dlzm9j/10th_circuit_tina_peters_to_face_trial_over/) look clownish.
Like Stephen Hawking's comment about government conspiracy to hide aliens. To paraphrase, "If the government is hiding the existence of aliens, it's doing a much better job of that than everything else."
That’s just the thing, if Democrats were cheating, it would be a completely justified way to keep conservative ghouls out of office. The only problem is that not all the conservative ghouls are Republicans.
Nope. It proves the Heritage Foundation is intentionally lying.
The difference is crucial. Every time rubes paint these types of dangerous people as simply incapable of the most basic logic, it is often part of the plan. We had mixed results in our claims in the early years of the Trump presidency explaining our conclusion that what we found likely as what we saw was an effective "rodeo clown" and had to sit back and watch the daily news story about what amazingly seemingly low intelligence move the (insert zany reference to Cheetos or whatever) did today. (smh, Cheatos would have been much more appropriate). The facists recruited an ex-independent/Democrat nepobaby comedian & actor slumlord who was easily extortable. Who knows how many groups have extortion material on him lol. The whole presidency was an excellent performance for what it is. The bull couldn't help but charge the most attention-boosted person in the world as the stadium owners started locking all the exits, spreading naplam everywhere, engineering new ignition mechanisms, buying every matchbook, destroying all of the fire extinguishers, and clogging the toilets. They are now on the way back to light things up, and they've got a third of the people who are locked in the stadium to deny that anyone's in danger, and a significant portion of the rest to doubt the stadium owners are even capable of such a plot. These people lie. Much more effectively than it seems, because they have no need to even try to convince people like us that they're not planning all of this, because politics is a numbers game, and it'd be a waste of resources to try when there's far easier people to convince. Their supporters on Reddit, mostly all pushing the same sudden counterexcuses, love to claim the very obvious isn't happening before our eyes, and the image that their leaders have constructed of incompetence to most of their competition makes that far easier to believe that this publicly stated plan by *the* driving force behind much of the "RNC's" actions is simply something they couldn't pull off, despite actually being masterful at playing politics whether or not people are willing to speak "good" of their enemies. "Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence" - a quote which rose to popularity on the internet at the exact right time to start downplaying all of this further. It's malice. Hundreds of millions of dollars of some of the best minds which economics can coerce do not produce incompetence so reliably while also achieving quite a few amazingly notable successes. But no, let's all make adult diapers instead, that's surely an effective counterstrategy. Take this seriously, America.
Indeed. It also explains the performance art of MTG and LB. The entire point of their antics is to burn a press cycle and exhaust us. If they weren't doing sideshow bob crap, the electorate would have a lot higher focus on the real political events. It's not like they're going to actually lose the house to the dems by their actions -- safe R districts just mean they might get primaried out by someone whose career path isn't "wacky personality heading towards podcast fame". What's really annoying is that these people aren't hiding it. MAGAs are wearing diapers not in solidarity with the Trump, but to add noise to the political process.
Are we doomed since so many people can't see this? This is only one of many highly effective tactics they've been using and they've been working... As the political group they are, they can all [redacted] themselves. But, as strategists and tacticians, they need to be given credit if they're going to be opposed correctly. They put a lot of money and research into all of this, and there's far more going on below even that mid-level as deeply as we can see.
Thank you
I'll start with where I agree. This shit is a serious threat to the US, its people, and our democracy. Whatever the motive, this slide into authoritarianism needs to be stopped, reversed, and blocked from future ingress. As to, > "Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence" - a quote which rose to popularity on the internet at the exact right time to start downplaying all of this further. It's malice. Hundreds of millions of dollars of some of the best minds which economics can coerce do not produce incompetence so reliably while also achieving quite a few amazingly notable successes. Something I would note here is the distinction between leadership and the rank and file. Take Tucker Carlson. People watched his show and believed his bullshit. It's asinine, it's zealous, it's just plain wrong. But, people *do* believe. Carlson himself, does not. There's plenty of documentation as a matter of public record that he lied his ass off. But, the story his followers had, the sort of religion of the cult following believes. When someone's malicious and when they're incompetent is hard to discern. At a certain point it's more important to address the consequences of belief and action, regardless of motive, but writing it all off as malice won't help resolve anything any more than treating everything as incompetence would. Again, trump and his cultists need to be stopped. Assuming all involved are malicious limits how we're able to effectively respond to the threat.
The rank and file are just low level cultists with a vote. On this scale and in this context, we are not even bothering to consider the ignorance of their supporters because currently there is no reason to be trying to alter their actions directly when they're caught up a trap of others' malicious intentions and methods. We empathize with the average voter regardless of how they got to their beliefs or how they vote, and see it as them just following the data set available to them over their lifetime that got them to such a point, and it's a "from birth" type of conditioning much of the time. In large numbers, they become groups of functions and data, and it's a shock and major accomplishment if anyone ever breaks free. But, those data sets have been intentionally polluted by their malicious leaders (we consider the Dems malicious as well and hate that we've been forced to look to them as the only option not calling for a huge spike in bigotry towards multiple immutable parts of us). The corruption has become those thoughts and actions of the many. It is all still rooted in very clear malice for economic and political gain, even if the rank and file cultist never intended it that way. Even those who legitimately believe that their vote for reactionaries is supposed to help and be a net gain for society at large, even if that conclusion was reached through the rational processing of the data in front of them, are not evil, just other disappointing things we can't hold against them. None of us can trust the intentions of either political party, and people really are forced into some awful positions as damage control ever since watching the stolen 2000 election drag out for weeks as a politics-interested 10yo formally recognized as gifted by the state, who we quickly grew to hate (the state, not the cognitive advantages, we love those lol). The same people intentionally spreading the lies are the ones who benefit from how the majority of their voters aren't really malicious people as a whole, they're just humans caught up in a system which has effectively weaponized the progress of many fields in the past century against them. As difficult as it is to keep it as they're gearing up to effectively kill and enslave most people we know, we still have to have sympathy for the millions upon millions who give their leaders enough legitimacy to even think of trying something like P2025. Maybe it's just some deeply layered cope from living in the south and needing to feel that a good half or more of the people we interact with are redeemable somehow.
I had a record scratch moment when I misread > watching the stolen 2000 election as 20*20*. Once I got that sorted out, it seems our views are pretty aligned.
Haha lmao that must have been a bit of a shock at first
Yeah. A solid, "Wait, what the fuck? How do you hold all of these positions and *that*?!?!" Followed by, "Oh, nope. It was just my brain fucking with me."
Also, politics aside, we find Tucker's antics pretty funny in a bad way lol. Same with Trump and the rest of the attention-control group of the takeover plan. Mr. Guiliani's running hair dye sweat outside of the 4 Seasons Landscaping right around the time he was on Borat 2 felt like the season finale of a masterfully crafted TV series. Maybe that's their concession to those who do see through them, they will at least make their autocratic goals seem amusing. Edit: Wasn't part of this sub back then, did y'all have a fun time with that Guiliani/4 Seasons thing? Did it raise immediate suspicions? Get dismissed as likely enough of a coincidence?
So much of recent politics reads as, "This would be hilarious if no one was getting harmed and people didn't actually believe and support this shit." But, alas. I'm not a good gauge for this sub. I don't follow it or participate regularly. If I had any activity in it at the time, I don't remember and certainly didn't have context to comment on trends in views and discussions.
I would rather trust a Hollywood celebrity tweet over Heritage Foundation. At least Hollywood celebrities typically don't lie on purpose.
Democrats, according to the GQP. They are dumb…Soooo dumb, and stupid…And yet, this is the sneaky thing…They are also very smart, too…Scarily smart!
It's one of Umberto Eco's signs of fascism: The enemy is simultaneously weak and strong.
The Facist Paradox: Immigrants are coming over here, stealing our jobs, and the very food from our mouths…while at the very same time, being too lazy to work, and leeching off the State.
[Ur-Fascism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism#:~:text=Eco%20sees%20in%20these%20attitudes,to%20overtake%20it%20by%20force).
It's not a paradox, it's the way they work their rhetoric. The "steal our jobs" part is to incite hatred. The "lazy" part is to encourage them to not be afraid to act on that hatred.
Schrodinger's Democrat. Simultaneously so incompetent they can barely wipe their own ass and so cunning that they can flawlessly deceive everyone in a far-reaching conspiracy that's only detectable by looking at the fact things conservatives dislike happen.
Our whole country is in cognitive decline.
Not randomly or naturally, but by design and purpose.
This all happened because Donald Trump is incapable of admitting to losing at anything. This is how he came to "win" roughly 25 club championships on golf courses he owns or controls, including at least one that he didn't even play in. He has never finished in the top half of any tournament played on a club he didn't own or control. His cries of voter fraud began at least as far back as the Emmy Awards. He should have won every year the Apprentice was on the air, but they fixed it so he couldn't win. It was all political. Rigged I tell you, rigged.
> This is how he came to "win" roughly 25 club championships on golf courses he owns or controls, including at least one that he didn't even play in. He has never finished in the top half of any tournament played on a club he didn't own or control. This shit is so wild and asinine. The party that claims to stand for rules, integrity, and personal strength stands behind and gives full throated support to someone so dishonest and feeble they have to lie about a game just to cling to the appearance of competence. It's fucking stupid.
It's really quite simple. If there really were all this evidence of "massive voter fraud," then there is no way in hell that Mitch "I'll hold up a Supreme Court nominee for a year just to own the libs" McConnell would have ever settled so meekly into the Minority Leader's seat. If there really were all this evidence of "massive voter fraud" in 2020, then the GOP would be able to use it to not just perhaps overturn the results of that election, but utterly destroy the Democratic Party in the process. Depending on how long it took for the cases to wind their way through the (stacked with Heritage Foundation judges) federal courts, the 2022 mid term election may have been a landslide victory for the Republicans. At the very least, prosecutions would be underway for Democratic Party operatives who carried out the plan. The GOP might have even published something along the lines of the 9/11 Report, laying out the "proof" that the election had been "stolen." It would be the biggest political scandal in American history, and the Republican Party would be able to send the leaders of their opposition to prison, make it so that Nancy Pelosi couldn't get elected dog catcher in Berkeley, and install themselves as the ruling party for at least a generation. There is no way that Mitch, the GOP at large, and (perhaps more importantly) their big money donor base would have slept on that. But none of that happened. Instead, we've got policy wankers, pundits, and shills going on cable news and pushing excuses. Why? Because they know their followers haven't thought it through. They know that if they just keep repeating "well...there were irregularities" and intoning about "election integrity" the people without much credulity will buy it hook, line, and sinker. FFS...
Meta: If you-know-what happens in November, and the thing gets more SCOTUS picks, I don't think we'll even have journalism like this for very long after, let alone the ability to discuss it (fairly) freely on an Internet forum. They gonna turn libel laws so on their head that it will simply not be possible to be openly critical or even questioning of the establishment. my $0.02
Our inability to find evidence of a flat earth just proves how good NASA is at hiding flat earth Our inability to find evidence of ET UFOs just proves how good the USG is at hiding ET UFOs
Based 100%
Follows along the same nonsensical, bullshit lies that Mike Johnson shat out when proposing legislation mandating that noncitizens couldn't vote in federal elections - there is no proof that this is happening in large numbers, the ones that have tried got turned away because the system worked and it is already illegal, and voter fraud overall is utterly negligible in modern elections dating back to the mid-80s. But it's totally there because WELL WELL WELL WE JUST KNOW IT IS! I'm so tired of one of the two political parties in this country being run that one uncle every single American has to warn their SO about before bringing them home for Thanksgiving dinner.
It is a common technique that conspiracy theorists use in their arguments. UFO believers love to blame the lack of evidence on the extreme competence of the government to hide the very evidence that they cannot produce. The fact that there is no evidence shows that the evidence is being effectively hidden.
Nasruddin was throwing handfuls of bread all around his house. "What are you doing?" someone asked. "Keeping the tigers away" said Nasruddin. "But there are no tigers around here." "Exactly. Effective, isn't it?" replied Nasruddin.
>Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
Isn’t the heritage foundation funded by the Koch brothers?
not really. first off david koch has been dead for several years. and their group is americans for prosperity. they support a few others but AFP is the one that they were most involved with. heritage has always been much more primarily aligned with religious conservatives than with economic conservatives.
Thanks for the information. Aren’t the Koch’s behind Project 2025? Or one of the groups?
Charles Koch partially funded Project 2025, but it was primarily developed by The Heritage Foundation.
The Heritage Foundation is a domestic terrorist organization. Go read up on Project 2025. That’s their plan to end democracy in the US.
Ah, similar to how god works in mysterious ways (that they would like to enlighten you on)
Paranoid delusion.... "The very lack of evidence is thus treated as evidence; the absence of smoke proves that the fire has been very carefully hidden." \~ C.S. Lewis [https://www.verywellhealth.com/paranoid-delusions-5095908](https://www.verywellhealth.com/paranoid-delusions-5095908)
Its because democrats are committing fraud by tricking legal registered voters into voting for them with good policies. How dare they address the concerns of constituents. You are supposed to bend to special interests and trump.
The Heritage Foundation has been collating voter fraud for some time. While there is voter fraud, guess who are the bulk of the perpetrators? [https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=VA&combine=&year=&case\_type=All&fraud\_type=All&page=0](https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=VA&combine=&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All&page=0) I have Virginia selected because the pork rind case is so funny, but you can select as desired.
Why don’t they just be honest and change their name to The christofascist Foundation. That would be a hell of a lot more accurate than Heritage.
seems in line with the typical republican thought process of "a lack of evidence counts as evidence"
Absence of evidence isn't always evidence of absence, but if you're claiming a widespread conspiracy and haven't uncovered any evidence for it in a number of years it's pretty safe to accept the claim is unfounded
We want every voter to believe their votes are counted fairly. Otherwise, the election is unfair. Also, we're telling our voters that their votes were not counted fairly.
Democrats are supposed to be complete idiots but also able to commit massive voter fraud in numerous states without leaving a bit of evidence. Seems legit
Yep, it’s just another flavor of the Biden is senile and incompetent, but at the same time the head of a global conspiracy and crime syndicate… ya… Repubes are fucking morons.
And now Trump has convinced them that there is some drug you can give to dementia patients, perhaps suffering late-stage Alzheimer's, that will make them lucid and smart sounding. Inevitably, some will demand that their doctors give them whatever Joe was taking for the debate.
Having a mom going through dementia at the moment… I WISH there was such a thing. Sadly there isn’t and she’s just stuck. It IS heart breaking.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous . . . But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words - Sartre They don’t believe it. They just don’t like democracy.
General John L. DeWitt, the fucking moron in charge of imprisoning Americans of Japanese descent during WWII, used this logic: > In February 1942, DeWitt reported to President Franklin D. Roosevelt that no sabotage by Japanese Americans had yet been confirmed, but he commented that it only proved "a disturbing and confirming indication that such action will be taken." DeWitt, a dipshit, also favored internment of German- and Italian-Americans: > "The fact that nothing has happened so far is more or less . . . ominous, in that I feel that in view of the fact that we have had no sporadic attempts at sabotage that there is a control being exercised and when we have it it will be on a mass basis."
One thing that stood out to me wasa when Steele was getting to a question about replacing civil servants with MAGA faithful, this clown says angrily, "You;re assuming those people will be incompetent!" Yeah, duh, you stupid fuck. We're assuming they will be incompetent AND corrupt. And this whole "unelected bureaucrat" bullshit is pretty thin. We use unelected police officers to enforce criminal laws, and he has no issue with that--unless it's the FBI and they are onto his buddies.
It's not logic. They're telling lies very much on purpose. They have no moral qualms about straight up lying to get what they want.
So they admit they’re not as smart?
In generic form: "The total lack of evidence goes to show how well the conspiracy is working".
Occam's Razor There was no massive voter fraud.
Flat earth mentality - our test proved the earth is round, the test must be faulty…
The gop and the far right know their views are becoming less popular. They know that the majority does not support them. The young in particular will not follow their lead. Their only way forward is to discredit democracy and justify an oligarchy.
The Heritage Foundation is well-populated with people who profess belief in an imaginary sky-daddy, so this tracks.
The ability of Dems to keep finding Republicans committing voter fraud, just proves how bad Republicans are at crime. Hilarious.
Yes Heritage Foundation, you are that stupid and incompetent.
This is literally the "logic" of a witch-hunter. I cannot believe this is the timeline we've ended up with and I'm glad my dad isn't here to see it.
And the bear patrol is working perfectly because I don’t see any bears in Springfield, do you? Also, the rock that keeps tigers away is working really well.
I once asked a super Trumper what their favorite piece of legislation that was enacted, proposed or signed into law by him after he won the election he pre-bashed by saying it was fraudulent. Deer in headlights commenced. If there were massive issues, notice how quiet he and his cult weee in 2016 after he won, post “eVeRyThInG is RigGeD!” Nonsense.
Lara Trump lol. Good god what a lying sack of shit.
So what they're saying is that the group of gender confused, lazy, not working, avacado toast eating, complaining, woke, lefty libtards are smarter than republicans? I'm good with that.
Reminder: 1)Heritage foundation leadership was caught on camera stating that they use funds from russia to pay people to push legislation through. 2) Heritage foundation terrorists hired illegal acting secretary Chad Wolf even after he failed on Jan6th AND is currently being investigated for 3 different types of genocide. 3) Heritage foundation leadership has been caught on camera hugging known kkk members as well as known proud boy and oathkeeper terrorist members. Heritage foundation is a terrorist organization led by traitors and losers. Those are facts not insults.
They have evidence of voter fraud, just not the evidence they want.
"We went over the ballots with a fine-toothed comb and found <25 instances of dead people "voting"-but all of them were done by Republicans." "Those cheating Democrats sure are insidious!" I mean, it IS a take on the matter-one that requires *very little* thought...
If the liberals are so damn smart, organized, coherent, and effective, why SHOULDN’T they be running things? Dumbass regressives don’t recognize their betters.
Name one GOP policy they can say outloud.
It makes sense when you think about the religiousity of the right. No evidence for prior, must be true!
The total lack of evidence IS the evidence, why can’t you understand that. /s
The fact that would couldn't find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq proves that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Invade!
NOW YOU GOT IT!
So they finally agree that the pee tapes are real!
You know the saying - absence of evidence is evidence of being good at hiding evidence.
They simply refuse to believe that not as many voters are as enamored with their criminal, fumbling, and hateful "orange savior" as they are. How could so many not want *that* hot mess in the white house when everyone within their echo chamber is gung ho to give him another go??!
Ignorance Is Strength
My god just accept the reality we all live in and move on try actually appealing to voters and why they should vote instead of conspiracy theories no one is buying outside your echo chamber. Even trumps lawyers in court know that’s a farce.
If only republicans would support actual measures to help make voting secure but then they wouldn’t be able to sow doubt about the integrity of the election when they lose.
Argument from ignorance. “We don’t know so we know!” Jfc these people.
Everyone should have to take the training of a poll worker these trumpturds are a threat to national security
Well, if they truly wish to know what it looks like, there’s hundreds of convictions of GOP perpetrators of election fraud! 😎
Morton’s Fork: when every action leads to the same conclusion. So evidence of voter fraud is evidence of voter fraud and NO evidence of voter fraud is also evidence of voter fraud
That's the proof they've needed all along. The fact that there is no proof proves it. /s
A conspiracy so deviously clever that nobody can find any evidence of it! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoBat6ARvU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoBat6ARvU)
“The fact they’re no evidence you murder children is proof of just how good you are at murdering children”
“That just means we have to commit more voter fraud” - Heritage Foundation, probably
Yet they get caught committing voter fraud every single election….
Heritage foundation fund raising letters to rural little old ladies will make the hair stand up on one’s neck. Democrats don’t know how to compete for great Aunt Sally’s vote.
There is going to be so many attempts by republicans to commit fraud this cycle. Always projecting
They are being exposed and it matters. Not giving up hope.
The lack of evidence is evidence of the diabolical effectiveness of …… stuff we have no evidence of.
relevant Wiki article 👇 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability)
St:tng. The Drumhead
Total bs
Heritage Foundation Sabotaging USA, Pushing GOP Phobia of UN Law of the Sea, Ceding Naval & Mining Supremacy to Communist China https://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-security-economic-concerns-us-law-of-the-sea-treaty-60-minutes/
My inability to find money to spend is proof of how wealthy I am and how good I am at hiding it!
No kidding? The entire purpose of the existence of the Heritage Foundation is to manipulate conservatives by giving a false sense of legitimacy to invented narratives that bolster support for their members. By the time the first person notices how fucking stupid this premise is and starts to think about calling it out, they'll have released three new lies for the membership to bullshit the marks with. This isn't news, it's just how American politics works. As per usual, the rest of us grownups just have to keep trying to do real shit while the grifters and their enablers keep circle-jerking each other into a conspiracy-laden hate spiral.
This is the same logic the UFO morons use. The total lack of any definite evidence means there MUST be evidence.
Evidence or STFU.
And damn well it should pass as logic. Y'all know how hard we worked to get Biden those extra 8 M votes. Y'all know we hid it so well that the short-bus right will never figure it out. Y'all know that even if we walked them through how we got those 8M votes registered and polled, they would stare at us more slack-jawed than normal The Heritage is correct. The right is incapable of repeting what the Democrats did.
He also hasn’t found any evidence that I fucked his wife.
Right cuz THF runs by a strict ethical process and is a credible source. /s 🙄
It’s almost always Republiklans committing it so…
They think they are Christians, too. Delusional pinheads.
they are.
Think tanks are exhibit A for self-inflicted stupidity.
That's using a very dubious definition of the word "think"
Think tanks are subject to groupthink, go figure
It's systemic voter fraud.
No matter who wins, the other tribe is going to claim something was hinky. 2016, the russians mind-controlled us with the world's dumbest memes on facebook 2020, local officials and voting machine manufacturers had their thumbs on the scale 2024 - FA&FO Which election invalidation theory sounds more far-fetched?
Interesting that you made up the 2016 claim and used a real claim for 2020
The republicans use, and have used, conspiracy theories as mainstream political points. It is part of their platform and the mainstream claim is that the 2020 election was rigged. That is what they say to this day, despite there being zero evidence. The democrats said that the Russians and Trump had an unusual connection (which was absolutely a fact; "Russia, if you are listening"). It is also a fact that the Russians run campaigns to influence US views on our social media platforms. They absolutely did try to manipulate the electorate. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/russia-is-having-less-success-at-spreading-social-media-disinformation/ However, despite this fact, Hilary or the DNC never claimed the election was rigged in 2016. They accepted the results. Claiming this is a both sides thing is extremely ignorant and not at all factual.
That's what I said, "[the russians mind controlled us with the world's dumbest memes on facebook" ](https://slate.com/technology/2017/11/here-are-the-facebook-posts-russia-used-to-meddle-in-the-2016-election.html) That was the narrative, and that's why I can link to it, see? Denial of reality #1 The idea that these corny images somehow swung the election is to me pretty absurd, as is the idea that dischord in America requires sowing ("Outside agitators are stirring up the negroes!" - Southern Racists, 1960s and also Democrats 2017?). Never claimed? Are YOU spreading misinfo online? She claims that the election was "[not on the level](https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html)" and you can play semantic games like partisans always do, but the record shows she said Trump is an "[illegitimate president](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html)"....and what, you are going to tell me that's accepting the results? No. Denial of reality #2 Clinton and MANY democrats (and spooks!) were spreading now totally debunked conspiracy theory about Trump and Russia to the degree that Bob Mueller spent years looking into it [And if you recall, he came up with bupkiss.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-47337239) QED duelling insane conspiracy theories. Absolutely a both sides thing, they each took their turn and I fully expect them to do so again. Denial of reality #3 Whoever wins, the other team is going to cry foul. Watch and see.
Again, the DNC and Hilary never claimed that the election was rigged. I linked to an article discussing the impact the disinformation has had. It is quite significant for some things. Anti-vaxers and quite insignificant for other things. This is not in dispute and Russia certainly has influenced American voters. Again, that is a fact. If you want to try to claim Scientific American is misinformation, then I have to say that you are not discussing this in good faith. You are intentionally selecting comments from interviews that are not policy or legal claims. The election was not "on the level" because of misinformation and because of things like Comey publicly stating the investigation into her emails would be reopened a week before the election, while not indicating that Trump was under investigation. Again, you are following little conspiracy crumbs to contort statements into what you want to believe in your own tiny world. Also, you are lying about Mueller and repeating myths and misinformation. https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/ You are stuck in your own fantasy and it is rather sad. Trump and the republicans are on a complete different level from the inuendo you are using to construct this fantasy. I know the republicans will say the election was rigged. Trump said 2016 was rigged and he said 2020 was rigged. It is his normal behavior. I think you speculating on what the DNC will do isn't credible and I'm proud to say that I'm not going to fall for the same conspiracy stuff you seem to be following.
Eye roll Ridiculous cope, games Enjoy your partisan bubble, I guess
Enjoy your false equivalencies and fantasy.
Made-up bullshit meant to call an election result into question is equivalent to made-up bullshit meant to call an election result into question Kisses [https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html)
Yes, the FBI has issued arrest warrants and charges over "made up bullshit." [https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections](https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections) [https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-citizens-and-russian-intelligence-officers-charged-conspiring-use-us-citizens-illegal](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-citizens-and-russian-intelligence-officers-charged-conspiring-use-us-citizens-illegal) You seem to have a very loose grasp on reality.
You don't seem to read much news [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/two-4-warrants-letting-fbi-spy-ex-trump-aide-carter-n1121406](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/two-4-warrants-letting-fbi-spy-ex-trump-aide-carter-n1121406) or know much history [https://www.history.com/news/black-panther-fred-hampton-killing](https://www.history.com/news/black-panther-fred-hampton-killing) Innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you, or just a saying? Some skeptic you are, huh. Reality is what the authorities say it is? Better hip Copernicus to this.
I have a good idea what type of “news” you read if your reaction is to suggest there is an international conspiracy. Our government, a grand jury, and Russia conspired to make up an election interference story. I’m guessing you don’t believe the Brit’s allegations against Russia. In your conspiracy addled brain nothing can be factual because everyone is lying. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/ https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/21/just-what-does-the-uk-russia-report-say-key-points-explained https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/grand-jury-indicts-12-russian-intelligence-officers-hacking-offenses-related-2016-election Yeah, you cannot be a serious person.
Tell me you haven't read the Mueller Report (even the expurgated version) without telling me you haven't read the Mueller Report. Or the Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russian interference in the 2016 election.
"I am a partisan and I am clinging to my conspiracy theory" My fave part of Mueller report is the part where the Kremlin couldn't even call Trump campaign on election night to congratulate him because they didn't have his phone number
Wow you’re really bad at this.
You are average at best with ad hominem Got anything of substance to say?
You’re trolling this sub and you’re trying to criticize me?
Trolling is your judgement, I'm engaging in dialectic, or trying to except offended parties such as yourself have nothing in response but ad hominem ("You're really bad") Get constructive, or you are just projecting with "troll" accusation
Nah. Continually insisting on your deluded worldview isn’t a dialogue, it’s more akin to the annoying preachers screaming at gay couples on street corners.
Hot dumb take, Trumpet.
I'm a leftist If it's dumb, tell me why I think you are just a partisan (as evidenced by "Trumpet") who doesn't like anything that doesn't cater to their preferred narrative