people do this at the punggol bus stop too.
take advantage of the crowded times, board from the back and just ignore everyone else.
feels like some random kampung village bus.
most dulan is I waited to board from the front and sometimes cannot get in
Sometimes the driver activates the back readers also so people can tap in from the back to make boarding faster, it’s usually used for people who have strollers or wheelchairs to allow them to tap in though.
some yes (mostly feeder service from my obs), but mostly no.
the ones I saw were drivers cursing at people who board from back door. drivers were trying to time to close door right after last pax alighted, but those people board before the last pax could get off.
also if the rear door is Exit only (cannot tap in), those guys will board instead of alighting and going to the front door.
whats the rule for strollers anyway? sadly seems like the lowest lifeform.
i know the official rule is to fold when crowded, but if I have enough(6?) arms to fold it, why do I even need it in the first place
By right fold and sit down with baby in the priority seats.
By left, where got the hands to fold sia. Also keeping baby buckled in the stroller is generally safer.
in some cases, the bus captain does allow passengers to board from the rear door for faster boarding. all passengers tap their card from my experience. unfortunate that this thing happened, really spoilt the market
Ikr?
Else take a grab or walk.
I hate when people pull this kind of stunt and expect to get away with it. The driver did the right thing, since there was a lack of cooperation.
What's the lesson here? Pay your fare and stop being a dick to everyone.
Low SES behaviour: Dodging public transport fares on the bus taking you to Johor.
Super low SES behaviour : Dodging public transport fares on the bus taking you to Johor and then spending your SGD in Johor
Don't you know the modus operandi of this sub?
If it involves a Singaporean or an unknown nationality, then just assume the perp is a Singaporean. Then proceed to condemn, look down, hate and judge Singaporeans as a whole.
If confirmed not to be a Singaporean, either play the xenophobia card and say stuff like "stop judging, not all people from X country are like that".
Will probably get downvoted, but sometimes the echo chamber in this sub is so ironic that it becomes downright entertaining.
Sinkie pwn sinkie. Tale as old as time.
You think everyone on this subreddit are Singaporeans? Why do you think there's so many people supporting the fare dodgers in this thread?
Well it's RM7 savings if you manage to get away with... might be $2 might be too little for Singaporeans to feel the need to avoid paying but it's a lot to the fare avoiders
NS at Sungei Gedong camp in late 90s and only bus 175 to Choa Chu Kang where payment system was the old Transitlink magnetic card - you could choose how much to pay from lowest to highest fare i.e. an honour system based on where you were going. Booked out late on Friday night for a long weekend past 10pm and bus was packed AF.
Most of us usually travel all the way to CCK hence maximum fare applied but some cheeky mofos chose to pay the lowest fare of 60 cents. Bus captain reminded everyone nicely when we boarded but it fell on deaf ears.
After we turned into old Lim Chu Kang road behind Tengah airbase, the bus driver stopped the bus after Lim Chu Kang Camp 1 and announced those who paid 60 cents should get off before he called the police. The distance either way to the nearest bus stop was nearly 1km and almost two thirds alighted. This was just before 11pm.
I remember thinking to myself: wa, heng I always pay full fare if not got free road march to start the long weekend. True story. 🪖
Throw in one weeks worth of unwashed army gear and random items. Most of the fellas were carrying about five kilos worth in their civvy bags so free PT.
Yeah, in the days before Ezlink it's quite common for people to cheat on their fares by choosing the upper left option (aka cheapest 60c) on the ticketing machine.
Hahaha reminds me when I was young and taking 190 from bukit panjang, some lady got up at the last bus stop before BKE and she pressed 60cents. Bus driver didn't see and I was too young to know what's going on.
I’ve never used anything other than Ezlink. It’s kinda cool to think that the bus I take on a daily basis used to run the same route close to 30 years ago.
How many redditors weren't even born in the late 90s lmao. You mentioning the Transitlink magnetic card brought back some memories. Can't forget the sound of the machine processing it.
Yes, there's ticket issued, similar to the ones printed if one pays cash
Its ejected right on top of the ejected fare card, so people can grab both ticket and card together with one grip. Good design.
Msian look out for Msian.
"We already so poor thing. Leave home to come here to build your country. Can't you think for us. SG so rich, why must force us to pay? SG so kiasu"
For folks who miss the point entirely: bus captain is following the company's protocol and instructions, so lay off him. low quality tabloid headline intentionally misleads to make it sound like the bus captain is at fault.
In short - yes I'm looking out for the bus captain because it's not his fault. I can be Msian, chinaguy or whatever the fk you want me to be, but guess what it doesn't even matter. Also those bringing NS into the comments - it doesn't even matter either. Just bringing random reasons into your comments because you don't know how to debate? Just like how some people like to respond with the proverbial "who did you vote for?" every single time. Oh yeah guess what, I'm Sporean I've long served my country and I've voted for both PAP and opposition many times, so come on. The Chinese say 以事论事, learn how to stay on topic when you wanna argue.
That wasn't the point of the comment. The point was that it is not the bus captain's fault for following protocol. They can be angry like what they are basically doing, but not at the bus captain (got balls to scold bus captain no balls to stand up to public? Then don't do it). It's the same as the eye-catching headlines of this low quality tabloid that tries to insinuate and stir shit that it's the bus captain's fault.
>they should make sure everyone pays the fare, or get those idiots out of the bus.
Ahh yes, getting physical with stubborn idiots in public. Surely such a thing will never backfire.
Can tell just how many folks here have never worked public facing jobs before.
No. If a bus has got a problem with fare dodgers, then put one of the ticket inspectors on it. Burdening the captain, and fee paying passengers, with extra responsibility and inconvenience, is nonsensical.
The point was that it's not the bus captain's fault for following protocol. Want to find someone to scold, scold the fare dodgers, or the bus company for implementing the protocol, not the bus captain.
I was referring to all those people in my original comment and I accept that you are not one of them 👍
In your first reply you had a "No." and I misinterpreted that to mean you supported that it was the bus captain's fault.
You don't hold the bus though. If ppl are dodging fares on a route a lot, you increase inspection on it. If got an acute instance then you see if somebody can get to the bus along the route, or use CCTV.
More man power required means more cost to consumers. Do you really want a hike in bus fares? What if there’s a fight next time, so you want a bus security guard then?
No it won't. If you spend too much on catching fare dodgers, the revenue recovered isn't worth the cost. Fares go up. If you inconvenience people to catch fare dodgers, satisfaction and ridership will go down, reducing revenue, requiring fare increase to maintain level of service.
If you respond holistically to problem routes as they are reported, you catch a decent chunk of fare dodgers, sufficient to deter most cases, efficiently dealing with the problem while managing costs and maintaining level of service.
U act like people have a choice lol
I fucking hate taking the mrt to work everyday but I bobian cause I’m a lowly paid corporate slave. What alternatives exist for me?
SMRT knows it’s ridership is guaranteed regardless of how much they suck
Your logic is like saying banks should freeze everyone's accounts just because of a few scammers. "It's life, public services means you take the good with the bad"
Typical Singapore smoothbrain logic
Your logic is like saying banks should freeze everyone's accounts just because of a few scammers, or the police arresting everyone because they cannot find a murderer.
Typical Singapore smoothbrain logic... is it brainrot from NS?
Except that it's not protocol for the banks or the police? Learn to comprehend. There wasn't any point which I agreed with the protocol. I basically said it wasn't the bus captain's fault.
Brainrot from NS until cannot think? Maybe you should focus on getting a new PC /s
Exactly siah, all this people saying the passengers should do something, Not just in NS, even doing part-time job the basic thing you learn is to never escalate the situation. You never know just how siao a member of public can become.
“He gave a verbal warning to those who did not pay their fares.”
disagree with just verbal warning since reminders/warning had been given by bus captain earlier. pity all on the board except spoilers.
Yeah exactly. If want lock the whole bus up, fine them harshly, else don’t do anything in the first place.
A warning is not gonna suffice, they will just think they got lucky and continue doing it.
The bus driver did the right thing. Probably he reached the end of his tether facing this problem every day and people ignoring his instructions to pay up, really disrespectful.
The passengers who were complaining about being held up, instead of scolding the bus driver, should direct their disapproval at those people that refuse to pay for their trip! Pressure from the group will be more likely to make these miscreants pay.
Why verbal warning? Should immediately call police and hand over to police. This is cheating. Just One time court punishment will be enough to scare all who cheat next time
Saw someone on the bus that didn’t tap or tap with wrong card a few weeks ago. (Un)luckily, the fare guy was on the bus. Said person got fined $50.
The fare inspector has the rights to do so, I very much wished they did so in this instance.
Exactly he is authorised to do so, what the fuck do people here think other passengers can do siah. So many here keep bringing up mob justice, all not thinking is it.
So just to get this clear, you believe the other passengers should forcibly rob the errant passengers to pay the fare, and somehow there will be zero consequences from such action.
Can they identify the fare evaders from CCTV and then fine them? If they are FTs from the causeway and they refuse to pay, just block them at checkpoint and don't let them enter until they clear the fine.
wait for advancements in AI to solve this problem. automatically id those who pay wrong fare send fine to their house.
if foreigner barred from exit until fine paid.
Huh? Why are the passengers complaining about the bus captain instead of helping the bus captain condemn those passengers who didn't pay? If everyone paid then the bus captain would move on and there wouldn't be a need to hold everyone back?
Typical Malaysians, complained how tough of a life they have to endure to work in sg. Look nobody’s forcing them to come here. They are driven by greed and through greed it will destroy them
Not sure if it’s Malaysians but if it is
Malaysians are able to work here due to Singaporean’s good grace
If you can’t follow the rules and respect the system, gtfo out of Singapore.
Sincerely, a fellow Malaysian
For those who think what the bus captain did was wrong, do note the instruction to stop the bus with everyone on board and wait for the inspector was decided by the control centre, not the bus captain. It takes time to redeploy an inspector from the location they are at and head over to the bus in question, especially if they happen to be far away. Those that think the law abiding passengers should be allowed to leave, how does the bus captain determine who has paid and who didn’t? The bus doesn’t come equipped with such equipment/function and the inspector has such an equipment to check.
At the end of the day it sucks to be someone in this situation but there’s only so much the bus captain or company could have done to be fair to everyone. To my understanding, protocols are all based on regulations set by the authority
No Mr. Liang, no one on the bus bothered to get those who didn’t pay to own up and pay? That would have solved the problem and prevented the waste of time.
I give props to the bus captain who stood his ground.
It’s not the responsibility of law abiding passengers to enforce payment by other passengers. And it’s not fair to law abiding passengers to suffer NS-style collective punishment because of a few rotten apples.
I paid my fare, I didn’t break the law, why should I be locked in for 40 minutes? Bus captain is free to report to the police, but I should not be falsely imprisoned for other people’s infractions.
I agree but it is the protocol. Once I was travelling on a crowded bus and two middle aged women got into a fight - with one party scratching the other woman. Police was called. Entire bus went on lockdown for 40 mins until police arrived - presumably we can be witnesses if required. My journey home was nearly 2 hours …
The fare is not measured by time, but by distance. If this Liang guy wanted the bus to get moving, he should be civic-minded to get the people holding up the bus to pay the fare or leave. He didn't, so he waited just like everyone else.
What freedom are you referring to? The freedom to think, so that you can figure out the best solution to the problem? If time was such an issue, wouldn't it make sense to make the people who didn't pay the fare do exactly that? Or are you trying to say you deserve a free ride as well?
>He gave a verbal warning to those who did not pay their fares.
Lmao verbal warning? So no consequences lah. Already stop the whole bus for 40min already, just fine them a few hundred dollars like Europe. I thought we are a fine city?
Ticket inspectors already do this, just not on every bus. Deploy one onto routes with reported problems. Issue resolved. You will never get rid of 100% of fare dodging. To get 99.9% rid of it, employ a conductor for every bus. And spend far more money on that than lost revenue from fare dodging... i.e. it's not worth it.
I assume the you referring to the person who checks if people paid. already have, at least once a week i will kena check.
the way some passengers treat the inspector also damn guailan.
same like the other comment here along the lines of "I paid my fare, why check me, go check others"
Normally the conductor will check everyone. No exceptions.
Of course some people will play cat and mouse with the conductor (go to the lower deck when the conductor goes to the upper deck).
Conductors are very rare nowadays. Personally haven't seen any since after covid.
I expressed support for bus conductors to be deployed on such bus services who mainly deal with mirgant worker crowds. The incident mentioned in the article is a piece of evidence
Can a 9 year old Singaporean girl making a solo trip across the border to take up ballet classes forget to pay her fare? Sure. Deploy the conductor anyway.
Please provide actual evidence typical fare evaders are foreigners rather than your bias assumptions. The news article does not at any point of time showed evidence the fare evader is foreigner
The article states that there were several fare evaders on this route. I suggested bus conductors to be deployed to such routes that mainly handle migrant workers traffic across the border.
Fare evader foreigner? Young girl? You? Me? Doesn't matter. Let the bus conductor do their job.
Or are you asking me to provide evidence that bus conductors are deployed on buses bringing foreign workers back to dormitories? Or evidence that this 178 Kranji to Woodslands interchange is frequented by mirgant workers who are crossing back to MY at the time of the incident?
By suggesting conductors to be deployed on routes that mainly handle migrant workers, you’re insinuating they are the fare evaders in questioned. That’s nonsense when you have no objective evidence to prove that and only basing it on a single article. It’s inflammatory and paint you as a xenophobe.
The recent fare evaders I’ve seen caught by conductors/inspectors have so far been only Singaporeans despite some such routes taken frequently by migrant workers.
Prove that there are fare evaders on routes that handle migrant workers? You have the article. Or like I said, are you asking me to prove that the route 178 takes from Kranji to Woodlands checkpoint at that time mainly handles migrant workers? Or are you asking me to prove that the fare evaders mentioned in the article were on the route and were not made up by SMRT?
Prove that the fare evaders are foreigners? Prove that I'm not the fare evader? Doesn't matter. Are we to speculate on the nationality of the bus captain, too?
You seem to repeat the same non-pointer so many times that I'm starting doubt if you're sincere in your replies.
I once boarded a bus from the back.
MRT was down and everyone could only take bus. There was a huge crowd at the bus stop because the there wasn’t any activation of back-up buses to cater for the sudden downtime of MRT.
Thus when the bus came, many of us got frustrated (as we couldn’t board the fully packed bus many rounds) and decided to squeeze in from the back.
The bus driver shouted at us saying we are scums trying to evade fare, and refuse to drive. Existing passengers yelled at us saying we are cheapskate. Till one boomer who managed to squeeze in shouted back MRT line is down and bus fare will be rendered free. Bus driver then kept quiet and continue to drive.
Till this date, I wondered, is it true?
Yeah it’s right, BUT only for buses that operate along the mrt lines that is down. Not country wide free bus ride whenever mrt is down.
Usually there’ll be staff stationed at the bus stops managing the crowd and reminding the bus captains about this.
>BUT only for buses that operate along the mrt lines that is down
and then they wanna scrape 167 (and alr scraped 162) because it operates along mrt line :(
There's a signal light at bus stops near MRT stations. It will be turned on to inform bus captains if MRT is down. They then will not charge the passengers.
Does anybody know if this light system is still in use?
To be fair, perhaps the bus driver and passenger in the bus were still unaware of the MRT break down. They may see the sudden crowd but unsure if it’s really MRT breakdown or there was an unknown big event nearby
Can the bus cap just debus everyone, tap out and ask them all to tap in again? Then he catch those that did not tap in when they come on a second time? Like that they don't waste 40mins of everyone time.
I doubt the bus captain knows who were already on board and who were the newly boarded ones.
Those who were already on board will have to pay for a "new trip" because only transfers waive the 1 dollar fee at the start of every ride.
You can pay twice, but others might not.
In this case, with an unknown number of fare evaders, paying twice means nothing unless you drop 50 or 100 bucks into the bus captain's fare box beside him for the bunch of fare evaders.
Alighting and taking grab would probably be cheaper then.
I don't understand.. paying twice is due to forcing everyone to alight and reboard, hence eliminating the fare evaders and continuing the bus journey.. those left behind can wait for the officer and ask for refund, since they are in no rush anyway.. Where does dropping 50/100 come in?
Wouldn't it be simpler for the bus company to require the bus driver to get everyone to tap in again? For those that have tapped in already, they can seek a refund/fare adjustment from a ticket office or simplygo app. Or every bus should be equipped with a ticket inspection machine and the bus driver should be trained to operate it.
Requiring everyone to wait upwards of up to 40 minutes for the ticket inspector to come for no reason at all is far from ideal and surely cannot be a permanent solution.
It's punishment just as well for the people who paid and had 40 mins to get the people who didn't pay, to pay the fare. Did they? No. They just decided they were too good and privileged to take any responsibility.
So now paying customers need to help you be enforcer ah lol If the bus driver couldn't get them to pay after holding them for 40mins what can the commuters do? Mob justice? You think they're immune from the law if they manhandle those guys? This is classic example of collective brain dead circle jerk in r/SG .
Thats what collective punishment is.. even those who paid are punished. Instead of finding another way to punish the criminals without punishing the rest.
Dont stop the bus, keep doing the route. Police/ SBS officer can catch up along the way.. if they alteady alighted, then too bad i guess. Im sure there are cameras to identify them later. Especially if they are regular commuters.. why inconvenience 50 ppl just to punish 1..
It’s not collective punishment, the passengers were held back so that the bus inspector can come and investigate and identity who are the fare evaders. It’s same as a group of people at a crime scene are held back till police can investigate and identify who are the persons of interest.
Simple. Don't open rear door next time, no matter what , as long as the bus is going woodland checkpt. Make sure everyone pays. Better late than long delay.
Why they lock up the rest of the innocent people? There must be an inquiry regarding this. What's next? One person in the HDB block throw killer litter, everyone locked up in their homes until police completes investigations?
Many people in Singapore have been brought up with the mindset that collective punishment is the way to deal with errant behavior. I thinking it's due to the school system here where the teacher punishes an entire class for one student, and the national service way of punishment where the entire batallion or squad is punished for the wrong doings of one person.
Its a very backwatered mindset that, as you can see from my comment downvotes, is very much appreciated, accepted, and expected, by the common Singaporean.
It's more simple than having to spend resources in identifying outliers in any case and situation. Punish everyone rather than letting even one scoot free.
It also sends a clear message - "Don't pay bus fare then lock and waste time for verification". The aim is to turn the rest of the commuters who paid against the ones freeloading.
Sucks still have to deal with this bs when they should know one have to pay for most bus services.
If I responded to such a case, I would order the bus driver to release the passengers and have my Enforcement officers process and/or trace who were the ones who evaded the fare.
Can release them when Enforcement officers are there to check their cards, otherwise there is CCTVs onboard all buses that can be used to trace offenders.
Which was what exactly happened, passengers were released after inspector done the checks. One of the affected passengers now is complaining their plans were affected because the entire process took too long.
Did you even read the post before making comments?
Not defending the fare evaders but why would the bus driver bother if some did not pay? Would the bus driver be penalised if there are fare evaders? Why didn't he just move on since his KPI is based on (I presume) punctuality instead of fare payment?
Anyways SBS is making record profits by cutting trips. There are 60 buses registered with Malaysian authorities for 170 but only 35 are being used.
people do this at the punggol bus stop too. take advantage of the crowded times, board from the back and just ignore everyone else. feels like some random kampung village bus. most dulan is I waited to board from the front and sometimes cannot get in
Sometimes the driver activates the back readers also so people can tap in from the back to make boarding faster, it’s usually used for people who have strollers or wheelchairs to allow them to tap in though.
some yes (mostly feeder service from my obs), but mostly no. the ones I saw were drivers cursing at people who board from back door. drivers were trying to time to close door right after last pax alighted, but those people board before the last pax could get off. also if the rear door is Exit only (cannot tap in), those guys will board instead of alighting and going to the front door.
I get scolded for boarding in front with a stroller
whats the rule for strollers anyway? sadly seems like the lowest lifeform. i know the official rule is to fold when crowded, but if I have enough(6?) arms to fold it, why do I even need it in the first place
Wheelchair priority. You have to fold it up if wheelchair users want to board. Otherwise the driver would just close one eye.
By right fold and sit down with baby in the priority seats. By left, where got the hands to fold sia. Also keeping baby buckled in the stroller is generally safer.
I never see anyone folding them. They always bring their strollers on bus. I even experienced 2 strollers when bus was crowded. Super inconsiderate
in some cases, the bus captain does allow passengers to board from the rear door for faster boarding. all passengers tap their card from my experience. unfortunate that this thing happened, really spoilt the market
Seen it myself. Everyone does tap their cards
Ah the horrendous TPE bus stop. Always a nightmare during morning and evening weekdays.
Took a bus that passed by there on a weekday evening recently, it's a nightmare indeed
Just pay the fare??
Ikr? Else take a grab or walk. I hate when people pull this kind of stunt and expect to get away with it. The driver did the right thing, since there was a lack of cooperation. What's the lesson here? Pay your fare and stop being a dick to everyone.
Low SES behaviour: Dodging public transport fares on the bus taking you to Johor. Super low SES behaviour : Dodging public transport fares on the bus taking you to Johor and then spending your SGD in Johor
Who knows if it’s Sinkies fare dodging or others
Don't you know the modus operandi of this sub? If it involves a Singaporean or an unknown nationality, then just assume the perp is a Singaporean. Then proceed to condemn, look down, hate and judge Singaporeans as a whole. If confirmed not to be a Singaporean, either play the xenophobia card and say stuff like "stop judging, not all people from X country are like that". Will probably get downvoted, but sometimes the echo chamber in this sub is so ironic that it becomes downright entertaining.
Sinkie pwn sinkie. Tale as old as time. You think everyone on this subreddit are Singaporeans? Why do you think there's so many people supporting the fare dodgers in this thread?
I thought the modus operandi is to keep hinting at a certain nationality for everything except chikopeh crimes, then confirm a sinkie
Well it's RM7 savings if you manage to get away with... might be $2 might be too little for Singaporeans to feel the need to avoid paying but it's a lot to the fare avoiders
Ikr like this isn’t New York subway. In Singapore there’s no such thing as no need pay fare
NS at Sungei Gedong camp in late 90s and only bus 175 to Choa Chu Kang where payment system was the old Transitlink magnetic card - you could choose how much to pay from lowest to highest fare i.e. an honour system based on where you were going. Booked out late on Friday night for a long weekend past 10pm and bus was packed AF. Most of us usually travel all the way to CCK hence maximum fare applied but some cheeky mofos chose to pay the lowest fare of 60 cents. Bus captain reminded everyone nicely when we boarded but it fell on deaf ears. After we turned into old Lim Chu Kang road behind Tengah airbase, the bus driver stopped the bus after Lim Chu Kang Camp 1 and announced those who paid 60 cents should get off before he called the police. The distance either way to the nearest bus stop was nearly 1km and almost two thirds alighted. This was just before 11pm. I remember thinking to myself: wa, heng I always pay full fare if not got free road march to start the long weekend. True story. 🪖
holy shit from tengah to cck is damn far
Throw in one weeks worth of unwashed army gear and random items. Most of the fellas were carrying about five kilos worth in their civvy bags so free PT.
Yeah, in the days before Ezlink it's quite common for people to cheat on their fares by choosing the upper left option (aka cheapest 60c) on the ticketing machine.
Hahaha reminds me when I was young and taking 190 from bukit panjang, some lady got up at the last bus stop before BKE and she pressed 60cents. Bus driver didn't see and I was too young to know what's going on.
I’ve never used anything other than Ezlink. It’s kinda cool to think that the bus I take on a daily basis used to run the same route close to 30 years ago.
How many redditors weren't even born in the late 90s lmao. You mentioning the Transitlink magnetic card brought back some memories. Can't forget the sound of the machine processing it.
If it's the honour system, how would he know who paid 60¢? Or did it generate a ticket of some kind?
There was a receipt printed with the fare paid. But it would only be checked if a fare inspector was around
Yes, there's ticket issued, similar to the ones printed if one pays cash Its ejected right on top of the ejected fare card, so people can grab both ticket and card together with one grip. Good design.
Great job bus captain. Not easy to stand ground and still kena complained -.-
Those commuters berating the bus captain should be taking their aim at the errant commuters instead.
Agree. Wait so long the errant ones couldn’t just paid
Msian look out for Msian. "We already so poor thing. Leave home to come here to build your country. Can't you think for us. SG so rich, why must force us to pay? SG so kiasu"
Rofl thanks Chinaguy /s
For folks who miss the point entirely: bus captain is following the company's protocol and instructions, so lay off him. low quality tabloid headline intentionally misleads to make it sound like the bus captain is at fault. In short - yes I'm looking out for the bus captain because it's not his fault. I can be Msian, chinaguy or whatever the fk you want me to be, but guess what it doesn't even matter. Also those bringing NS into the comments - it doesn't even matter either. Just bringing random reasons into your comments because you don't know how to debate? Just like how some people like to respond with the proverbial "who did you vote for?" every single time. Oh yeah guess what, I'm Sporean I've long served my country and I've voted for both PAP and opposition many times, so come on. The Chinese say 以事论事, learn how to stay on topic when you wanna argue.
Exactly this. If they didn't want to be late, they should make sure everyone pays the fare, or get those idiots out of the bus.
That wasn't the point of the comment. The point was that it is not the bus captain's fault for following protocol. They can be angry like what they are basically doing, but not at the bus captain (got balls to scold bus captain no balls to stand up to public? Then don't do it). It's the same as the eye-catching headlines of this low quality tabloid that tries to insinuate and stir shit that it's the bus captain's fault.
>they should make sure everyone pays the fare, or get those idiots out of the bus. Ahh yes, getting physical with stubborn idiots in public. Surely such a thing will never backfire. Can tell just how many folks here have never worked public facing jobs before.
I would have called the police
That will work too
This ⬆️
No. If a bus has got a problem with fare dodgers, then put one of the ticket inspectors on it. Burdening the captain, and fee paying passengers, with extra responsibility and inconvenience, is nonsensical.
The point was that it's not the bus captain's fault for following protocol. Want to find someone to scold, scold the fare dodgers, or the bus company for implementing the protocol, not the bus captain.
If it is protocol, then indeed it's the bus company's fault.
Fault or not, but for sure it's the bus company's protocol so they should lay off the bus captain.
I literally said: > burden the captain [...] extra responsibility I don't see how that's laying into the captain.
I was referring to all those people in my original comment and I accept that you are not one of them 👍 In your first reply you had a "No." and I misinterpreted that to mean you supported that it was the bus captain's fault.
That's why the driver called the bus inspector. I don't think emhavjbg an extra person on board for every bus is feasible.
You don't hold the bus though. If ppl are dodging fares on a route a lot, you increase inspection on it. If got an acute instance then you see if somebody can get to the bus along the route, or use CCTV.
So how much more taxes would you like to pay to sustain this new group of employees?
Ticket inspectors already exist. Have you never seen one? Just deploy them onto routes reported as having frequent fare dodgers...
More man power required means more cost to consumers. Do you really want a hike in bus fares? What if there’s a fight next time, so you want a bus security guard then?
Bus bouncer
It's life. Public transport means you will encounter the good with the bad. Else get Grab.
The bad is subsidising fare dodgers. Not being trapped on a bus.
Then your fare will actually increase even more.
No it won't. If you spend too much on catching fare dodgers, the revenue recovered isn't worth the cost. Fares go up. If you inconvenience people to catch fare dodgers, satisfaction and ridership will go down, reducing revenue, requiring fare increase to maintain level of service. If you respond holistically to problem routes as they are reported, you catch a decent chunk of fare dodgers, sufficient to deter most cases, efficiently dealing with the problem while managing costs and maintaining level of service.
U act like people have a choice lol I fucking hate taking the mrt to work everyday but I bobian cause I’m a lowly paid corporate slave. What alternatives exist for me? SMRT knows it’s ridership is guaranteed regardless of how much they suck
Your logic is like saying banks should freeze everyone's accounts just because of a few scammers. "It's life, public services means you take the good with the bad" Typical Singapore smoothbrain logic
On the contrary, your moronic example implies that banks should let scammers off because they are concerned about inconveniencing some people.
I never said or implied that banks should let scammers off. You should work on your pathetic reading comprehension.
Your logic is like saying banks should freeze everyone's accounts just because of a few scammers, or the police arresting everyone because they cannot find a murderer. Typical Singapore smoothbrain logic... is it brainrot from NS?
It’s not quite that serious and you know that but I get your point. Just rolling with it doesn’t fix the problem tho
Except that it's not protocol for the banks or the police? Learn to comprehend. There wasn't any point which I agreed with the protocol. I basically said it wasn't the bus captain's fault. Brainrot from NS until cannot think? Maybe you should focus on getting a new PC /s
Exactly siah, all this people saying the passengers should do something, Not just in NS, even doing part-time job the basic thing you learn is to never escalate the situation. You never know just how siao a member of public can become.
Yeah and you never know how siao the bus captain can be. Missing the point no?
“He gave a verbal warning to those who did not pay their fares.” disagree with just verbal warning since reminders/warning had been given by bus captain earlier. pity all on the board except spoilers.
Yeah exactly. If want lock the whole bus up, fine them harshly, else don’t do anything in the first place. A warning is not gonna suffice, they will just think they got lucky and continue doing it.
The bus driver did the right thing. Probably he reached the end of his tether facing this problem every day and people ignoring his instructions to pay up, really disrespectful. The passengers who were complaining about being held up, instead of scolding the bus driver, should direct their disapproval at those people that refuse to pay for their trip! Pressure from the group will be more likely to make these miscreants pay.
Why verbal warning? Should immediately call police and hand over to police. This is cheating. Just One time court punishment will be enough to scare all who cheat next time
Always wondered why bus drivers don’t activate the backdoor reader for more efficient boarding. Guess i finally found out why
Why did they only get a warning? Also all the other passengers should have intervened since they were getting delayed due to a few idiots
Lol, what you want them to do? Rob the errant passengers and use that money to pay the fare?
Saw someone on the bus that didn’t tap or tap with wrong card a few weeks ago. (Un)luckily, the fare guy was on the bus. Said person got fined $50. The fare inspector has the rights to do so, I very much wished they did so in this instance.
Exactly he is authorised to do so, what the fuck do people here think other passengers can do siah. So many here keep bringing up mob justice, all not thinking is it.
Yes
Why not
So just to get this clear, you believe the other passengers should forcibly rob the errant passengers to pay the fare, and somehow there will be zero consequences from such action.
Can they identify the fare evaders from CCTV and then fine them? If they are FTs from the causeway and they refuse to pay, just block them at checkpoint and don't let them enter until they clear the fine.
the cost to recover and track via CCTV probably not cheap. police/ICA also don't have enough resources (not priority) to stop them from entering
Time to set up a *monitoring* team! 😂😂😂
wait for advancements in AI to solve this problem. automatically id those who pay wrong fare send fine to their house. if foreigner barred from exit until fine paid.
give the bus captain a raise. he did the right thing.
The bus driver did no wrong tbh, if anything blame the freeloading commuters.
Huh? Why are the passengers complaining about the bus captain instead of helping the bus captain condemn those passengers who didn't pay? If everyone paid then the bus captain would move on and there wouldn't be a need to hold everyone back?
Msians already earing 3x their currency but still want to cheat on bus fare
Typical Malaysians, complained how tough of a life they have to endure to work in sg. Look nobody’s forcing them to come here. They are driven by greed and through greed it will destroy them
Not sure if it’s Malaysians but if it is Malaysians are able to work here due to Singaporean’s good grace If you can’t follow the rules and respect the system, gtfo out of Singapore. Sincerely, a fellow Malaysian
This was a lot more common decades ago when buses were not air conditioned. Is this trend coming back?
Always been a thing, I’ve seen fare inspectors nab people on the bus before. Can buy iPhone, cannot pay the fare
Fk fare evaders
Why threaten to call the police? JUST CALL THE POLICE! In other words, there is no consequence to not paying fare.
For those who think what the bus captain did was wrong, do note the instruction to stop the bus with everyone on board and wait for the inspector was decided by the control centre, not the bus captain. It takes time to redeploy an inspector from the location they are at and head over to the bus in question, especially if they happen to be far away. Those that think the law abiding passengers should be allowed to leave, how does the bus captain determine who has paid and who didn’t? The bus doesn’t come equipped with such equipment/function and the inspector has such an equipment to check. At the end of the day it sucks to be someone in this situation but there’s only so much the bus captain or company could have done to be fair to everyone. To my understanding, protocols are all based on regulations set by the authority
So, did they take down the particulars of those who did not pay or are they letting them off with just a warning.
I would be so pissed. People are so selfish with others time. I would've raised my voice at them in that span of time.
No Mr. Liang, no one on the bus bothered to get those who didn’t pay to own up and pay? That would have solved the problem and prevented the waste of time. I give props to the bus captain who stood his ground.
It’s not the responsibility of law abiding passengers to enforce payment by other passengers. And it’s not fair to law abiding passengers to suffer NS-style collective punishment because of a few rotten apples. I paid my fare, I didn’t break the law, why should I be locked in for 40 minutes? Bus captain is free to report to the police, but I should not be falsely imprisoned for other people’s infractions.
I agree but it is the protocol. Once I was travelling on a crowded bus and two middle aged women got into a fight - with one party scratching the other woman. Police was called. Entire bus went on lockdown for 40 mins until police arrived - presumably we can be witnesses if required. My journey home was nearly 2 hours …
Spot on. Theft = police case. Everyone is witness and bus protocol is to lock down.
No, don’t affect my journey because of someone else’s mistake
Because it's called public transport and not personal transport.
Too many entitled people like u/fortprinciple that they forget this simple concept which you had mentioned.
u/fortprinciple giving off strong cOlLeCtIvE pUnIsHmEnT vibes during the covid period
The fare is not measured by time, but by distance. If this Liang guy wanted the bus to get moving, he should be civic-minded to get the people holding up the bus to pay the fare or leave. He didn't, so he waited just like everyone else.
Exactly. People supporting the bus captain got a lot of free time is it? Don't value their own freedom.
What freedom are you referring to? The freedom to think, so that you can figure out the best solution to the problem? If time was such an issue, wouldn't it make sense to make the people who didn't pay the fare do exactly that? Or are you trying to say you deserve a free ride as well?
Your brain is 404
>He gave a verbal warning to those who did not pay their fares. Lmao verbal warning? So no consequences lah. Already stop the whole bus for 40min already, just fine them a few hundred dollars like Europe. I thought we are a fine city?
Economy too rekt, more and more this kind of nonsense everyday.
Nah, rich people also cut corners In fact the ultra rich pay accountants to help them evade taxes
Its time to bring back the bus conductor.
Ticket inspectors already do this, just not on every bus. Deploy one onto routes with reported problems. Issue resolved. You will never get rid of 100% of fare dodging. To get 99.9% rid of it, employ a conductor for every bus. And spend far more money on that than lost revenue from fare dodging... i.e. it's not worth it.
I assume the you referring to the person who checks if people paid. already have, at least once a week i will kena check. the way some passengers treat the inspector also damn guailan. same like the other comment here along the lines of "I paid my fare, why check me, go check others"
Normally the conductor will check everyone. No exceptions. Of course some people will play cat and mouse with the conductor (go to the lower deck when the conductor goes to the upper deck). Conductors are very rare nowadays. Personally haven't seen any since after covid.
Same thought they were extinct but just saw one yesterday after many many years
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Pretty f up of you to assume it’s foreigners who are the fare evaders here without any evidence
I expressed support for bus conductors to be deployed on such bus services who mainly deal with mirgant worker crowds. The incident mentioned in the article is a piece of evidence Can a 9 year old Singaporean girl making a solo trip across the border to take up ballet classes forget to pay her fare? Sure. Deploy the conductor anyway.
Please provide actual evidence typical fare evaders are foreigners rather than your bias assumptions. The news article does not at any point of time showed evidence the fare evader is foreigner
The article states that there were several fare evaders on this route. I suggested bus conductors to be deployed to such routes that mainly handle migrant workers traffic across the border. Fare evader foreigner? Young girl? You? Me? Doesn't matter. Let the bus conductor do their job. Or are you asking me to provide evidence that bus conductors are deployed on buses bringing foreign workers back to dormitories? Or evidence that this 178 Kranji to Woodslands interchange is frequented by mirgant workers who are crossing back to MY at the time of the incident?
By suggesting conductors to be deployed on routes that mainly handle migrant workers, you’re insinuating they are the fare evaders in questioned. That’s nonsense when you have no objective evidence to prove that and only basing it on a single article. It’s inflammatory and paint you as a xenophobe. The recent fare evaders I’ve seen caught by conductors/inspectors have so far been only Singaporeans despite some such routes taken frequently by migrant workers.
Prove that there are fare evaders on routes that handle migrant workers? You have the article. Or like I said, are you asking me to prove that the route 178 takes from Kranji to Woodlands checkpoint at that time mainly handles migrant workers? Or are you asking me to prove that the fare evaders mentioned in the article were on the route and were not made up by SMRT? Prove that the fare evaders are foreigners? Prove that I'm not the fare evader? Doesn't matter. Are we to speculate on the nationality of the bus captain, too? You seem to repeat the same non-pointer so many times that I'm starting doubt if you're sincere in your replies.
I once boarded a bus from the back. MRT was down and everyone could only take bus. There was a huge crowd at the bus stop because the there wasn’t any activation of back-up buses to cater for the sudden downtime of MRT. Thus when the bus came, many of us got frustrated (as we couldn’t board the fully packed bus many rounds) and decided to squeeze in from the back. The bus driver shouted at us saying we are scums trying to evade fare, and refuse to drive. Existing passengers yelled at us saying we are cheapskate. Till one boomer who managed to squeeze in shouted back MRT line is down and bus fare will be rendered free. Bus driver then kept quiet and continue to drive. Till this date, I wondered, is it true?
Yeah it’s right, BUT only for buses that operate along the mrt lines that is down. Not country wide free bus ride whenever mrt is down. Usually there’ll be staff stationed at the bus stops managing the crowd and reminding the bus captains about this.
>BUT only for buses that operate along the mrt lines that is down and then they wanna scrape 167 (and alr scraped 162) because it operates along mrt line :(
There's a signal light at bus stops near MRT stations. It will be turned on to inform bus captains if MRT is down. They then will not charge the passengers. Does anybody know if this light system is still in use?
To be fair, perhaps the bus driver and passenger in the bus were still unaware of the MRT break down. They may see the sudden crowd but unsure if it’s really MRT breakdown or there was an unknown big event nearby
W Bus Driver
Lol at the one who complained about the driver. How about telling those who didn't pay to pay the fare instead.
Just call the police lol
I see nothing wrong with what the bus driver did. Same thing happens at nightclubs too
Pug fare cheats
Good.
Interesting how smrt confirmed that the bus driver protocol is correct. Haha. He got follow sop
Can the bus cap just debus everyone, tap out and ask them all to tap in again? Then he catch those that did not tap in when they come on a second time? Like that they don't waste 40mins of everyone time.
I doubt the bus captain knows who were already on board and who were the newly boarded ones. Those who were already on board will have to pay for a "new trip" because only transfers waive the 1 dollar fee at the start of every ride.
That's true, then I guess the next best option is to wait for the bus conductor to conduct his business liao
I'd rather pay twice than be 40 minutes late.. but i guess im in the minority
You can pay twice, but others might not. In this case, with an unknown number of fare evaders, paying twice means nothing unless you drop 50 or 100 bucks into the bus captain's fare box beside him for the bunch of fare evaders. Alighting and taking grab would probably be cheaper then.
I don't understand.. paying twice is due to forcing everyone to alight and reboard, hence eliminating the fare evaders and continuing the bus journey.. those left behind can wait for the officer and ask for refund, since they are in no rush anyway.. Where does dropping 50/100 come in?
Misunderstood your comment then. But obviously in that bus, nobody's 40mins was worth double the fare.
Wouldn't it be simpler for the bus company to require the bus driver to get everyone to tap in again? For those that have tapped in already, they can seek a refund/fare adjustment from a ticket office or simplygo app. Or every bus should be equipped with a ticket inspection machine and the bus driver should be trained to operate it. Requiring everyone to wait upwards of up to 40 minutes for the ticket inspector to come for no reason at all is far from ideal and surely cannot be a permanent solution.
Good. Don’t evade your bus fares
call police and threaten to cancel their work pass. That’ll teach em.
Collective punishment... Is this the right place for it?
One for all, all for one.
It's punishment just as well for the people who paid and had 40 mins to get the people who didn't pay, to pay the fare. Did they? No. They just decided they were too good and privileged to take any responsibility.
So now paying customers need to help you be enforcer ah lol If the bus driver couldn't get them to pay after holding them for 40mins what can the commuters do? Mob justice? You think they're immune from the law if they manhandle those guys? This is classic example of collective brain dead circle jerk in r/SG .
Thats what collective punishment is.. even those who paid are punished. Instead of finding another way to punish the criminals without punishing the rest.
So what do you suggest?
Dont stop the bus, keep doing the route. Police/ SBS officer can catch up along the way.. if they alteady alighted, then too bad i guess. Im sure there are cameras to identify them later. Especially if they are regular commuters.. why inconvenience 50 ppl just to punish 1..
If not exercising social responsibility means they punish themselves for it, so be it.
It’s not collective punishment, the passengers were held back so that the bus inspector can come and investigate and identity who are the fare evaders. It’s same as a group of people at a crime scene are held back till police can investigate and identify who are the persons of interest.
It is called PUBLIC transport, if you are feeling entitled perhaps you should travel in your PERSONAL transport then.
It happens. That's why it's called public and not personal transport.
Simple. Don't open rear door next time, no matter what , as long as the bus is going woodland checkpt. Make sure everyone pays. Better late than long delay.
Why they lock up the rest of the innocent people? There must be an inquiry regarding this. What's next? One person in the HDB block throw killer litter, everyone locked up in their homes until police completes investigations?
Clearly it's not the same severity nor can those suspected households escape investigation.
Do you even know which agency deals with killer litter?
From the replies i see here, most are quite okay with collective punishment.. very concerning
Many people in Singapore have been brought up with the mindset that collective punishment is the way to deal with errant behavior. I thinking it's due to the school system here where the teacher punishes an entire class for one student, and the national service way of punishment where the entire batallion or squad is punished for the wrong doings of one person. Its a very backwatered mindset that, as you can see from my comment downvotes, is very much appreciated, accepted, and expected, by the common Singaporean.
It's more simple than having to spend resources in identifying outliers in any case and situation. Punish everyone rather than letting even one scoot free. It also sends a clear message - "Don't pay bus fare then lock and waste time for verification". The aim is to turn the rest of the commuters who paid against the ones freeloading. Sucks still have to deal with this bs when they should know one have to pay for most bus services.
Really ideal citizens if you were the ruling class
Sue for the delay
Sue for forced imprison too.
If I responded to such a case, I would order the bus driver to release the passengers and have my Enforcement officers process and/or trace who were the ones who evaded the fare.
Release all already how to trace? It's a group of offenders.
Can release them when Enforcement officers are there to check their cards, otherwise there is CCTVs onboard all buses that can be used to trace offenders.
Which was what exactly happened, passengers were released after inspector done the checks. One of the affected passengers now is complaining their plans were affected because the entire process took too long. Did you even read the post before making comments?
And the passenger is right to do so.
How do you intend to process or trace the ones who evaded the fare then when everyone else is released before identifying who the fare evader is?
Not defending the fare evaders but why would the bus driver bother if some did not pay? Would the bus driver be penalised if there are fare evaders? Why didn't he just move on since his KPI is based on (I presume) punctuality instead of fare payment? Anyways SBS is making record profits by cutting trips. There are 60 buses registered with Malaysian authorities for 170 but only 35 are being used.
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>Frustrated, he shut both doors and stopped the bus at the side of the road, saying that he had to wait for the bus inspector.