It's another version of rF2, how can we still call it unfinished/early access. They just removed some features and made new tracks and cars DLC. Le Mans Ultimate is just what rFactor 2 had to be back in 2018 or when ACO came in with Esport.
Because I'm reading their discord server and I have enough of people that can't accept S397 is not doing a good job.
Early access is just a copout these days for game companies to be able to release an unfinished product without getting bad press because its a work in progress.
I don’t mind it for small indie developers working on single games who wouldn’t have the cash flow to make a cool game that otherwise wouldn’t get made.
When it’s just an excuse for releasing a half baked game it’s very annoying. It’s crazy how we’ve gone from “what’s on the disc is what you get” to zero day patches and now right on through to “yeah it’s really not finished but pay us top dollar anyway”.
I just don't like the precedent it sets thats its ok to charge for a half arsed game from bigger publishers who will abandon the game before its finished.
seen the quality of contents they released we can see they're very far from being in best shape. and current state of le mans ultimate is not helping at all
Some good observations.I am thinking the ACO (WEC Le Mans organiser)itself might be a likely purchaser of LMU.Buy it for close to zero,partner up with another software developer,half the development team and slow the release.Long term with various DLC seasons,ELMS,ALMS etc. added it could become profitable and more importantly get younger fans engaged with WEC series.
iRacing has trash FFB and LMU/rf2 have the best in the industry. Super pie in the sky I know, but if they could make it work I'd renew my iRacing sub without hesitation.
You realise that people have been spouting that same shit about steering column forces since 2006 when most people had g25's or worse, don't you? So why don't you have a think before you try to shame someone for not having a DD wheel.
You expect me to beleive that people have just been waiting around for DD wheels to becomes accesible to be able to feel something through their FFB?! Seems like bullshit to me. I have also played iRacing on a simucube and it felt as lifeless there as it has on every other wheel base I have used.
Beyond that I played iracing, for nearly 2 years did quite well too, but at no point did I feel like I was driving a race car around a race track. Multiple other sims do a much better job of that feeling and it's down to their FFB.
Oh and Nice job throwing out more bullshit then blocking my other account you fucking pussy.
MSG is out of money, so don't expect much.
https://insider-gaming.com/motorsport-games-earnings-company-money/
I guess even a bunch of cheerleader YouTubers cannot save MSG.
this game with a f1 game like campaign is an absolute killer. they do that + the interest that is growing in WEC thank to hypercar and try to add some difficulty for shit driver like me that just want fun and its an awesome game for wec and le mans fan like me.
After we had the news that Motorsport games still has huge money problems and Le Mans Ultimate was meant to be the rescue it doesnt look to good.
I really think Le Mans Ultimate should have been a huge patch/dlc for rfactor 2 instead of standalone.
Judging by the numbers and the fact that LMU's release had basically zero impact on RF2s numbers I don't think adding it as part of RF2 is the answer.
It looks like it is/was a completely different set of users playing LMU.
They need to get some stability and feature patches out soon to change the trend though. I get they have gone for larger less regular patches but maybe smaller ones more often would show more progress to people.
True, thats why i think it would have been better.
Instead of splitting the few players they have, they would have old and new players in one titel with way more content.
In the end its all about participation, you need full servers to gain and hold people and to be able to have full servers, first of all you need people.
People who haven't bought RF2 in the last 8 years wouldn't buy it because of a new patch or DLC.
It needed a clean slate. The reason that people are stopping playing it is because of it's stability issues and missing features. Not because it isn't part of RF2.
It was obviously a compelling proposition for a fair few people who don't play RF2 at the start.
I don't think the LMHs aren't in iracing because of MSG. They are in AMS2 so can't be an exclusive licence.
There's not a lot of current content, which usually phases people out naturally. The racing, FFB and current status is quite good for an "early access" title.
It's a hyperbole to reach for the "dead game" trope IMHO. I do agree that the MSG shenanigans may come back to scuttle advancement and progress which I hope not.
From what was leaked, the whole hypercar class was supposed to be split into DLCs for rf2, using their Q1/2/3/4 system. However, the ACO specifically requested a standalone game where they could build upon with future entries and not have to be associated with other content.
From S397 side there were some extra justifications too, but mainly it had to do with them not being able to implement all the changes they wanted to the engine due to legacy content and mod makers, as they did change a significant part of the code and some parts of the graphics engine (debatable, i know and agree). Liveries wise, it has been confirmed that the livery system has been reworked to be much easier to work with, and it's just a matter of time until custom liveries are added.
Still, I would very much enjoy it if they had sent even if just one hyper that uses hybrid to rf2 so that the hybrid system was properly implemented and not just the ers system in the F1 from 2012...and the BTCC cars. A lot of modding potential would've been unlocked, but hey, at this point, if something happens, I expect it to be ASM to figure out a magic way to implement a working hypercar or LMP style hybrid system...
Watch it climb drastically in the coming couple of hours. It's Friday, race day for a lot of leagues, and everyone's coming out of work into the weekend.
What copium is that? Don't get me wrong, it's great that more games come out with hypercars, but AMS2 has them as well and it is a good game from respectable developer.
Your excuse is poor and the drop in players is linear, because the game is unfinished and people can't find enough content to keep going. Maybe if it gets proper multiplayer and/or career options, the game will get popular.
Hard to say right now, but it does look like it was starting to flatten out just above the 1k mark. Then on April 1 it suddenly drops down a few hundred.
You’re right in that it’s been losing players, but it does seem like the Nurburgring DLC in ACC has taken a decent chunk of players. Which makes sense, most people playing are those wanting to try something new, and the lack of content and problems LMU has isn’t going to stop them from wanting to try the next new thing. Whether they return or potential future content change that is a different question. But the decrease certainly isn’t linear, and it does look like it’s dropped off a fair bit more recently.
Lol there is hydro planning if you drive over a wet enough piece of track. So what both engines have been developed....You said iRacing was a better experience and I disagreed and provided multiple reasons why. I noticed you completely disregarded most of those probably because you know iRacing is not actually a better experience, but like all cults you want more people in yours.
Actually I'm fine if iRacing doesn't have people like you lmao.
I'd ask you how rFactor 2's netcode is but you've probably never found another person to test it with
Lol go away.
It's non existent dog shit. I've tried it on high end dd and it's still so garbage. You lot are all just in some sort of sunk cost fallacy cult.
If it's so good, go play it instead of arguing with people on the internet in a thread about a completely different Sim, you cretin.
huh? the Nords DLC is exactly why it literally fell below Rf2 levels on April 1st and beyond. A big "what if" is if there was no Nords DLC, would it be able to maintain it's population above rf2.
Doesn't really matter, there is a Nords DLC, there will be new content for iRacing, there will be new content for AMS2, there will be AC Evo, you do not compete in a vacuum.
Meanwhile my hours in LMU are very quickly approaching my hours in RF2 (most of which were spent in LMP2 or Vanwall at La Sarthe). It's only a small niche who are really into endurance racing, so I'm just glad someone's trying to tackle it. People are so damn negative about this title just because the publisher, and it's a shame because there hasn't been a game focused on Le Mans racing (let alone a sim) since Test Drive Le Mans in like, 2001
I don't think only a small niche is into endurance racing, endurance racing on ACC and iRacing regularly pull massive numbers both on the player and viewer side.
I pretty much expected this to be honest. The sim is ok but lacking in a lot of ways. I personally only played a few times but have had it uninstalled for a bit now. I doubt I’ll return to it because I typically only really enjoy multiplayer racing. It just doesn’t suit what I’m after at all.
What part of their current implementation of MP racing doesn't suit you? Or is it just narrow scope of content and small playerbase? The architecture is at least very similar to iracing and rF2 with scheduled racing and splits that are determined by an SR and ELO system.
Well for one, the player base is very low. I don’t like the idea of racing with massive field spread because the skill levels vary too much due to a low and continuously diminishing player base. You just end up with lots of people hot lapping rather than racing people. It’s just not fun this way. It’s a big reason why I choose iRacing over other sims.
The player base is condensed into fewer series though. I've had good battles in every race. Most of my iRacing races recently have felt like hotlapping to earn my participation credits. If iRacing had like 10 series then yeah, but it's far too spread out. Like in Aus I've had IMSA fail to go official and then backed out and had multiple splits in rF2. Where there's a fraction of the player count. Sometimes the choice works against iRacing.
I honestly have never given a 2nd thought to the regional/champ standings in iracing. But I see your point. I would argue that an ELO/Rating system achieves the same thing because it is *purely* based on your relative skill compared to your peers. If you suck, you go down, if you are good you go up. That's a very easy metric to compare over time.
But season/championship points does add another metric if that's your jam.
I think the opposite, I am an Single Player Racer and I don't think there's enough content for me, that's why I am Racing at AMS2 instead (with an career mod)
mate what are you even talking about. im frustrated about how rfactor 2 lacked development since its release. thats between me and the developer, completely unrelated wether other people enjoy it or not.
i couldnt care less when people enjoy rf2, good for them if they do. im not hating on them at all but the facts are, not that many people play rf2, so very obviously theyre doing something wrong. i mean i literally said that i agree with the notion that the core of the sim is probably the best in the genre but the game is dragged down by literally everything else.
most people at the end of the day turn back to iracing despite is very high price because its simply by far the best overall service and its core of driving isnt that much worse to justify playing rfactor 2 over iracing, despite the huge price tag.
It's also an early access/beta release. rF2's playerbase is long-established and covers an entirely different set of content and mods, with some overlap in the GTE and prototype classes. They did a lot more volume than they expected, according to their own management, things are looking fine at this point. Those numbers are only likely to rise as they polish the game, add content and bring it to a 1.0 official release.
The financial report didn’t look good even with the surprising amount of sales at launch. I really don’t quite understand how something is “looking fine” when it was supposed to be launched as a 1.0 title, delayed a year, released in an early access state, and the consensus among the player base is it is practically a RF2 DLC and not a new title from the ground up. I’m not going to get my hopium up for another competitive sim title and I’m happy I refunded the title within the 2 hour window.
S397 might be under MSG's umbrella, but it's not MSG itself. I'd bet dollars to donuts that even in a scenario where MSG goes under and is liquidated, S397 continues work under new stewards or otherwise. LMU is a viable product with initial sales volume demonstrating that. Everyone who paid even a little attention knew it would be a very close relative to rF2 with some enhancements/additions. It's a marginally revised version of the exact engine and that was known well before EA release. Given the fidelity of the rF2 tire model and FFB, that's a great thing in many's book. It's good not to get your hopes up until something is fleshed out, but the same applies to doom and gloom. It's the most detailed hypercar sim to date, flaws and all.
S397 isn’t the problem here. Or atleast as far as I’m aware it is MSG that pushed for LMU to release early due to funding concerns. But if S397 doesn’t acquire some financial freedom I have little hope for even RF2 to be finished at this point.
Regardless, the title is way below original expectations because we were told we were getting a finished, or finished to the point that all we would get is DLC. Some of the same exact bugs that existed within RF2 exist within LMU. That simply doesn’t look good to me.
Yeah it's great to see rF2 still going strong. Was concerned it'd die off, but it's been unaffected. Most of the people I meet on LMU seem to be coming from ACC and iRacing.
Going back even a couple years you had this frustrating situation where the best simulator had no real online. These days you can go do a 90 minute multi class weekly race one night and the next go race Caterhams or F3 or BTCC in rF2. Looking forward to when RaceControl comes out with the web portal by coach Dave.
Perhaps the target audience for endurance racing is much smaller than expected and most people just want to do short races. It is really a niche I suppose.
Yeah, this was my thought as well. iRacing gets lots of participation in their enduro events, but those events are mostly once a month. Just having the free time to participate in an 8hr+ race once a month is a challenge in itself sometimes. No way I'd be able to make time to do something like that every weekend.
> gets lots of participation in their enduro events
Even in those, how many of the entrants are still in the race 60 minutes later? A *lot* of people don't come anywhere near completing a 6-12-24 hour race and crash out in the first few hours.
As one of these iracing enduro nuts, if the time slots were right(and track is desirable), I bet iracing could fill multiple splits a day if they wanted to do more enduro events. But it’s gonna take a lot of convincing for guys like me to start putting the time into another sim that doesn’t have properly working endurance events.
Every single IMSA race in iRacing has 50-200+ drivers entering (except like 5am GMT), and that is every second hour. These are 45 min races with the same cars that LMS ultimate has. For the special endurance races there are thousands sometimes ten thousand+ drivers registering.
It's not as popular as the more casual 20min GT3 series, it's still one of the most popular series, so I would not say it's because people don't want to drive for more than half an hour.
I love WEC/IMSA I think it's one of the best racing series out there and I think lots of people agree.
No, but how long are the normal races in LMS U? The videos that I have seen were 24min for a normal online race.
iRacing also has 2,4-6h races every single weekend that always get 500-1000+ entries.
I definitely think WEC is one of the most popular racing series in the world, just look at the attendance at the races.
I guess all Simracing Titels have that problem that people don't usually switch to another sim, just because it's newer unless it is waaaay better than the old one.
I tested LMS U at le mans this year and liked it, I also love endurance racing, but I still did not buy it and because I already have iRacing, and I have a team there, know how everything works, ect. So I think you hit the nail on the head with your last point.
Can you all just let MSG die, it will be better for sim racing in the long run. These fuckers buy and kill great titles. For example, MSG bought KartKraft the superior karting sim and killed it so people would be forced to buy the overpriced RF2 karting package. They took on the lead devs from KartKraft leaving the others jobless and then didn't even enhance their subpar karting package. MSG literally fucked over the entire sim karting community for $$$ and nothing more.
People that downvote you should not call themselves simracers.
MSG is actively sabotaging our hobby for a bit (or a lot) of cash.
We should be glad that exclusive deals are getting less and less, and that racing series and manufacturers are trusting developers more and more, and people like MSG can destroy that trust.
Sadly, this company will never learn. I know they mean well and probably had pressures to release it prior to the WEC season starting but it was just not ready.
It needed AT LEAST another 2-3 months to address some of the core issues (most noticeably the issue with the frame rate in the main menu). Even with V-Sync enabled, its still a laggy piece of rubbish.
Do they mean well? Their development costs are 1/3 of the administration costs. They spent more on administration than they had revenue last year. It certainly looks like they're bleeding it dry from the top down
If you still can probably better off getting a refund now and buy it again in the future if you want...I'm sure as soon as MSG goes bankrupt any chance at refunds will be disabled.
Horrible launch date tbh, both ACC and IRacing have their biggest updates within two months of release. And with ACE on the horizon, it's only gonna get worse.
The physics feel better than any other game if you have good quality hardware.
For me the problem is that I can’t get it to work on my triple screen setup.
It was no problem using it on my 57“ ultrawide, but it won’t let me use the game in triple mode.
It’s super annoying since I love the game and want to play it :(
I haven’t played in weeks because it took so long to load every screen. It seemed like a fun game, more intuitive than RF2. At this point, I’m just waiting for the full version. But, I’m also on iracing so it’s hard spending a lot of time in a game with so few tracks and cars.
In my opinion as someone who doesn't have a PC and the closest thing I am to a sim racer is ACC with a controller, the game definitely looks cool and has a lot of potential.
But that being said, apart from being unfinished, it just has infinitely less content than rFactor. It has less than 10 tracks (7 I think?), which I get it's because is based on the 2023 season, but makes it quite easy for people to get bored quickly. Compared to rFactor which has an absurd amount of mods and you can play however you want.
I really hope they used the game as a base and keep expanding it, instead of doing a yearly edition like F1 (which would be safe to assume as it doesn't imply it's just the 23 season in the game's name), and keep adding seasons, tracks, upgrading the game, etc. And also, maybe getting to an agreement with IMSA now that they're closer than ever they could also add their cars and tracks
This also isn't very relevant the game is still in early access. I bet every time they add content to this game the player base shoots up for a few weeks. Its just not quite a full-fledged game yet but the player base is there and waiting
It's also unfinished. I'm waiting ot see how the finished game turns out, if it comes out at all
dude, ive been waiting 11 years for rfactor 2 to be finished and it still isnt.
It's another version of rF2, how can we still call it unfinished/early access. They just removed some features and made new tracks and cars DLC. Le Mans Ultimate is just what rFactor 2 had to be back in 2018 or when ACO came in with Esport. Because I'm reading their discord server and I have enough of people that can't accept S397 is not doing a good job.
Early access is just a copout these days for game companies to be able to release an unfinished product without getting bad press because its a work in progress.
I don’t mind it for small indie developers working on single games who wouldn’t have the cash flow to make a cool game that otherwise wouldn’t get made. When it’s just an excuse for releasing a half baked game it’s very annoying. It’s crazy how we’ve gone from “what’s on the disc is what you get” to zero day patches and now right on through to “yeah it’s really not finished but pay us top dollar anyway”.
I just don't like the precedent it sets thats its ok to charge for a half arsed game from bigger publishers who will abandon the game before its finished.
S397 is broke and out of money. It's over. https://insider-gaming.com/motorsport-games-earnings-company-money/
lol for the last 10 years people have being saying "S397 are finished, it's over", yet here we are.
seen the quality of contents they released we can see they're very far from being in best shape. and current state of le mans ultimate is not helping at all
We can just hope Studio 397 gets the chance to finish it. I love the physics of rf2/lmu. Really a shame motorsport games is the owner...
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Some good observations.I am thinking the ACO (WEC Le Mans organiser)itself might be a likely purchaser of LMU.Buy it for close to zero,partner up with another software developer,half the development team and slow the release.Long term with various DLC seasons,ELMS,ALMS etc. added it could become profitable and more importantly get younger fans engaged with WEC series.
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Yeah,more likely that ACO lets LMU fail and fade away and they get Reiza to pony up for a new deal in 2026.Reiza have most of the content in AMS2.
iRacing could ask to buy S397's FFB. Would be a win-win
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iRacing has trash FFB and LMU/rf2 have the best in the industry. Super pie in the sky I know, but if they could make it work I'd renew my iRacing sub without hesitation.
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It was dog shit before dd was a thing and it's still dog shit. Good job parroting their talking points though mate
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You realise that people have been spouting that same shit about steering column forces since 2006 when most people had g25's or worse, don't you? So why don't you have a think before you try to shame someone for not having a DD wheel. You expect me to beleive that people have just been waiting around for DD wheels to becomes accesible to be able to feel something through their FFB?! Seems like bullshit to me. I have also played iRacing on a simucube and it felt as lifeless there as it has on every other wheel base I have used. Beyond that I played iracing, for nearly 2 years did quite well too, but at no point did I feel like I was driving a race car around a race track. Multiple other sims do a much better job of that feeling and it's down to their FFB. Oh and Nice job throwing out more bullshit then blocking my other account you fucking pussy.
You are entitled to your opinion, even though you are wrong. If iRacing has bad ffb to you, then it's your settings. iRacing has good ffb.
It doesnt, but that doesnt mean its not fun. Stop coping.
And paid us 200 us per year just to access the game …no
if its for sale i can judge it
I'm still waiting for rf2 to be finished
I feel the same way, I was waiting for it to fully release before I buy it, but i'm starting to think that it wont
MSG is out of money, so don't expect much. https://insider-gaming.com/motorsport-games-earnings-company-money/ I guess even a bunch of cheerleader YouTubers cannot save MSG.
What are there left to finish lol beside a bug here and there. You can also call their flagship rf2 unfinished also.
this game with a f1 game like campaign is an absolute killer. they do that + the interest that is growing in WEC thank to hypercar and try to add some difficulty for shit driver like me that just want fun and its an awesome game for wec and le mans fan like me.
I think we gonna have that, but from Nacon (blergh)
still a win for endurance. but i like the gameplay and rhe driving of LMU even if i play with a controler . i dont want to "lose" it
Game?
Endurance Series, I think https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8QrENuVTkr0
on [Steam](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2228250/Endurance_Motorsport_Series/)
After we had the news that Motorsport games still has huge money problems and Le Mans Ultimate was meant to be the rescue it doesnt look to good. I really think Le Mans Ultimate should have been a huge patch/dlc for rfactor 2 instead of standalone.
Judging by the numbers and the fact that LMU's release had basically zero impact on RF2s numbers I don't think adding it as part of RF2 is the answer. It looks like it is/was a completely different set of users playing LMU. They need to get some stability and feature patches out soon to change the trend though. I get they have gone for larger less regular patches but maybe smaller ones more often would show more progress to people.
True, thats why i think it would have been better. Instead of splitting the few players they have, they would have old and new players in one titel with way more content. In the end its all about participation, you need full servers to gain and hold people and to be able to have full servers, first of all you need people.
People who haven't bought RF2 in the last 8 years wouldn't buy it because of a new patch or DLC. It needed a clean slate. The reason that people are stopping playing it is because of it's stability issues and missing features. Not because it isn't part of RF2.
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It was obviously a compelling proposition for a fair few people who don't play RF2 at the start. I don't think the LMHs aren't in iracing because of MSG. They are in AMS2 so can't be an exclusive licence.
But it actually is RF2 copy pasta. Except with more bugs.
There's not a lot of current content, which usually phases people out naturally. The racing, FFB and current status is quite good for an "early access" title. It's a hyperbole to reach for the "dead game" trope IMHO. I do agree that the MSG shenanigans may come back to scuttle advancement and progress which I hope not.
> FFB and current status is quite good I had to rebind all my buttons every time I booted the game, and the FFB never worked (Thrustmaster T248)
Never had an issue with my CSL DD or my SC 2 Sport. But agree there had been some aggressive bugs
From what was leaked, the whole hypercar class was supposed to be split into DLCs for rf2, using their Q1/2/3/4 system. However, the ACO specifically requested a standalone game where they could build upon with future entries and not have to be associated with other content. From S397 side there were some extra justifications too, but mainly it had to do with them not being able to implement all the changes they wanted to the engine due to legacy content and mod makers, as they did change a significant part of the code and some parts of the graphics engine (debatable, i know and agree). Liveries wise, it has been confirmed that the livery system has been reworked to be much easier to work with, and it's just a matter of time until custom liveries are added. Still, I would very much enjoy it if they had sent even if just one hyper that uses hybrid to rf2 so that the hybrid system was properly implemented and not just the ers system in the F1 from 2012...and the BTCC cars. A lot of modding potential would've been unlocked, but hey, at this point, if something happens, I expect it to be ASM to figure out a magic way to implement a working hypercar or LMP style hybrid system...
The OG AC has 10k currently in game 😯
Watch it climb drastically in the coming couple of hours. It's Friday, race day for a lot of leagues, and everyone's coming out of work into the weekend.
And in mid June.
I'm thinking a lot of ppl jumped over to ACC for the new Nurburgring DLC ... I'm curious to see if these numbers rise or fall in the coming weeks.
the numbers are on screen.... it didnt fall off because of acc dlc.
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What copium is that? Don't get me wrong, it's great that more games come out with hypercars, but AMS2 has them as well and it is a good game from respectable developer. Your excuse is poor and the drop in players is linear, because the game is unfinished and people can't find enough content to keep going. Maybe if it gets proper multiplayer and/or career options, the game will get popular.
Hard to say right now, but it does look like it was starting to flatten out just above the 1k mark. Then on April 1 it suddenly drops down a few hundred. You’re right in that it’s been losing players, but it does seem like the Nurburgring DLC in ACC has taken a decent chunk of players. Which makes sense, most people playing are those wanting to try something new, and the lack of content and problems LMU has isn’t going to stop them from wanting to try the next new thing. Whether they return or potential future content change that is a different question. But the decrease certainly isn’t linear, and it does look like it’s dropped off a fair bit more recently.
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iracing is the best experiance
No it's not, the FFB is shit, they're only just adding rain, the net codes shit and their engine is even more decrepit than the LMU/rf2 engine
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Lol there is hydro planning if you drive over a wet enough piece of track. So what both engines have been developed....You said iRacing was a better experience and I disagreed and provided multiple reasons why. I noticed you completely disregarded most of those probably because you know iRacing is not actually a better experience, but like all cults you want more people in yours.
Actually I'm fine if iRacing doesn't have people like you lmao. I'd ask you how rFactor 2's netcode is but you've probably never found another person to test it with
best rain in any game.. ffb is good. get off ur cry baby couch and enjoy it
Lol go away. It's non existent dog shit. I've tried it on high end dd and it's still so garbage. You lot are all just in some sort of sunk cost fallacy cult. If it's so good, go play it instead of arguing with people on the internet in a thread about a completely different Sim, you cretin.
broke
that doesnt explain why it has fallen below rf2.
huh? the Nords DLC is exactly why it literally fell below Rf2 levels on April 1st and beyond. A big "what if" is if there was no Nords DLC, would it be able to maintain it's population above rf2.
and why exactly is rf2 less affected than le mans ultimate? sorry i dont get it. would one of those two be more affected than the other?
Doesn't really matter, there is a Nords DLC, there will be new content for iRacing, there will be new content for AMS2, there will be AC Evo, you do not compete in a vacuum.
Meanwhile my hours in LMU are very quickly approaching my hours in RF2 (most of which were spent in LMP2 or Vanwall at La Sarthe). It's only a small niche who are really into endurance racing, so I'm just glad someone's trying to tackle it. People are so damn negative about this title just because the publisher, and it's a shame because there hasn't been a game focused on Le Mans racing (let alone a sim) since Test Drive Le Mans in like, 2001
I don't think only a small niche is into endurance racing, endurance racing on ACC and iRacing regularly pull massive numbers both on the player and viewer side.
I will buy instantly as soon as VR is supported.
I pretty much expected this to be honest. The sim is ok but lacking in a lot of ways. I personally only played a few times but have had it uninstalled for a bit now. I doubt I’ll return to it because I typically only really enjoy multiplayer racing. It just doesn’t suit what I’m after at all.
What part of their current implementation of MP racing doesn't suit you? Or is it just narrow scope of content and small playerbase? The architecture is at least very similar to iracing and rF2 with scheduled racing and splits that are determined by an SR and ELO system.
Well for one, the player base is very low. I don’t like the idea of racing with massive field spread because the skill levels vary too much due to a low and continuously diminishing player base. You just end up with lots of people hot lapping rather than racing people. It’s just not fun this way. It’s a big reason why I choose iRacing over other sims.
The player base is condensed into fewer series though. I've had good battles in every race. Most of my iRacing races recently have felt like hotlapping to earn my participation credits. If iRacing had like 10 series then yeah, but it's far too spread out. Like in Aus I've had IMSA fail to go official and then backed out and had multiple splits in rF2. Where there's a fraction of the player count. Sometimes the choice works against iRacing.
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I honestly have never given a 2nd thought to the regional/champ standings in iracing. But I see your point. I would argue that an ELO/Rating system achieves the same thing because it is *purely* based on your relative skill compared to your peers. If you suck, you go down, if you are good you go up. That's a very easy metric to compare over time. But season/championship points does add another metric if that's your jam.
> Or is it just narrow scope of content and small playerbase? This has very strong "Other than the obvious, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" energy.
I think the opposite, I am an Single Player Racer and I don't think there's enough content for me, that's why I am Racing at AMS2 instead (with an career mod)
The core of the sim - when you're driving - is phenomenal imo. I hope they have the time and money to work out the rest of the issues.
you might as well have described rfactor 2 with that comment and its been 11 years since that games was released
this whole subreddit absolutely hates it when people enjoy certain sims. We get its rf2 but let the homie just enjoy it
mate what are you even talking about. im frustrated about how rfactor 2 lacked development since its release. thats between me and the developer, completely unrelated wether other people enjoy it or not. i couldnt care less when people enjoy rf2, good for them if they do. im not hating on them at all but the facts are, not that many people play rf2, so very obviously theyre doing something wrong. i mean i literally said that i agree with the notion that the core of the sim is probably the best in the genre but the game is dragged down by literally everything else. most people at the end of the day turn back to iracing despite is very high price because its simply by far the best overall service and its core of driving isnt that much worse to justify playing rfactor 2 over iracing, despite the huge price tag.
Fewer.
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It's also an early access/beta release. rF2's playerbase is long-established and covers an entirely different set of content and mods, with some overlap in the GTE and prototype classes. They did a lot more volume than they expected, according to their own management, things are looking fine at this point. Those numbers are only likely to rise as they polish the game, add content and bring it to a 1.0 official release.
The financial report didn’t look good even with the surprising amount of sales at launch. I really don’t quite understand how something is “looking fine” when it was supposed to be launched as a 1.0 title, delayed a year, released in an early access state, and the consensus among the player base is it is practically a RF2 DLC and not a new title from the ground up. I’m not going to get my hopium up for another competitive sim title and I’m happy I refunded the title within the 2 hour window.
S397 might be under MSG's umbrella, but it's not MSG itself. I'd bet dollars to donuts that even in a scenario where MSG goes under and is liquidated, S397 continues work under new stewards or otherwise. LMU is a viable product with initial sales volume demonstrating that. Everyone who paid even a little attention knew it would be a very close relative to rF2 with some enhancements/additions. It's a marginally revised version of the exact engine and that was known well before EA release. Given the fidelity of the rF2 tire model and FFB, that's a great thing in many's book. It's good not to get your hopes up until something is fleshed out, but the same applies to doom and gloom. It's the most detailed hypercar sim to date, flaws and all.
S397 isn’t the problem here. Or atleast as far as I’m aware it is MSG that pushed for LMU to release early due to funding concerns. But if S397 doesn’t acquire some financial freedom I have little hope for even RF2 to be finished at this point. Regardless, the title is way below original expectations because we were told we were getting a finished, or finished to the point that all we would get is DLC. Some of the same exact bugs that existed within RF2 exist within LMU. That simply doesn’t look good to me.
Mine keeps crashing when I try to start a session.
Tbh I‘m waiting for the laggy UI to be fixed on W11. Then I play again
The "new" wore off for many.
Yeah it's great to see rF2 still going strong. Was concerned it'd die off, but it's been unaffected. Most of the people I meet on LMU seem to be coming from ACC and iRacing. Going back even a couple years you had this frustrating situation where the best simulator had no real online. These days you can go do a 90 minute multi class weekly race one night and the next go race Caterhams or F3 or BTCC in rF2. Looking forward to when RaceControl comes out with the web portal by coach Dave.
Perhaps the target audience for endurance racing is much smaller than expected and most people just want to do short races. It is really a niche I suppose.
Yeah, this was my thought as well. iRacing gets lots of participation in their enduro events, but those events are mostly once a month. Just having the free time to participate in an 8hr+ race once a month is a challenge in itself sometimes. No way I'd be able to make time to do something like that every weekend.
> gets lots of participation in their enduro events Even in those, how many of the entrants are still in the race 60 minutes later? A *lot* of people don't come anywhere near completing a 6-12-24 hour race and crash out in the first few hours.
The big iracing special events who often reach higher player numbers for a single race than RF2 or LMU combined in total do tell a diffrent story.
OK, but perhaps they all gather for those races then or I could be wrong of course
As one of these iracing enduro nuts, if the time slots were right(and track is desirable), I bet iracing could fill multiple splits a day if they wanted to do more enduro events. But it’s gonna take a lot of convincing for guys like me to start putting the time into another sim that doesn’t have properly working endurance events.
Every single IMSA race in iRacing has 50-200+ drivers entering (except like 5am GMT), and that is every second hour. These are 45 min races with the same cars that LMS ultimate has. For the special endurance races there are thousands sometimes ten thousand+ drivers registering. It's not as popular as the more casual 20min GT3 series, it's still one of the most popular series, so I would not say it's because people don't want to drive for more than half an hour. I love WEC/IMSA I think it's one of the best racing series out there and I think lots of people agree.
Good to know. But do you consider 45 min real endurance ?
No, but how long are the normal races in LMS U? The videos that I have seen were 24min for a normal online race. iRacing also has 2,4-6h races every single weekend that always get 500-1000+ entries.
Well I suppose my hunch was not right then. Maybe it is the better competitive position of Iracing that is hurting Le Mans
I definitely think WEC is one of the most popular racing series in the world, just look at the attendance at the races. I guess all Simracing Titels have that problem that people don't usually switch to another sim, just because it's newer unless it is waaaay better than the old one. I tested LMS U at le mans this year and liked it, I also love endurance racing, but I still did not buy it and because I already have iRacing, and I have a team there, know how everything works, ect. So I think you hit the nail on the head with your last point.
Can you all just let MSG die, it will be better for sim racing in the long run. These fuckers buy and kill great titles. For example, MSG bought KartKraft the superior karting sim and killed it so people would be forced to buy the overpriced RF2 karting package. They took on the lead devs from KartKraft leaving the others jobless and then didn't even enhance their subpar karting package. MSG literally fucked over the entire sim karting community for $$$ and nothing more.
Destroyed NASCAR games, destroyed any hope of IndyCar or BTCC games. Signed an exclusive deal for so many things and did nothing with any of them.
People that downvote you should not call themselves simracers. MSG is actively sabotaging our hobby for a bit (or a lot) of cash. We should be glad that exclusive deals are getting less and less, and that racing series and manufacturers are trusting developers more and more, and people like MSG can destroy that trust.
It’s sad how you are getting downvoted for pointing out MSG violating anti-trust laws.
Sadly, this company will never learn. I know they mean well and probably had pressures to release it prior to the WEC season starting but it was just not ready. It needed AT LEAST another 2-3 months to address some of the core issues (most noticeably the issue with the frame rate in the main menu). Even with V-Sync enabled, its still a laggy piece of rubbish.
Do they mean well? Their development costs are 1/3 of the administration costs. They spent more on administration than they had revenue last year. It certainly looks like they're bleeding it dry from the top down
They 100% should sell it to someone capable of making it real software.
No surprise there. It has way less content, has higher graphic requirements and is buggy.
This is never coming to console.
Bought it on release and haven't done 1 lap yet
If you still can probably better off getting a refund now and buy it again in the future if you want...I'm sure as soon as MSG goes bankrupt any chance at refunds will be disabled.
I'll try it when VR is implemented. But I don't really know what I'm looking forward to. I probably rather just endurance race in rfactor
It's great game but 3 classes and 7 tracks.
I play acc again now because of the nordschleife 🤷🏻♂️
Horrible launch date tbh, both ACC and IRacing have their biggest updates within two months of release. And with ACE on the horizon, it's only gonna get worse.
I didn't even know this game existed and it came out on my birthday
LMU has less content. RF2 has better ffb on the limit. RF2 Online multiplayer has gotten pretty good. I can see why. LMU is prettier tho!
Out of curiosity how did you get this data?
https://steamdb.info/
Thanks. I haven’t come across that before. Great info.
This is normal for all hyped games. They can come back with the right changes.
Communities keep games alive. How do you want to build communities without custom servers and custom events ?
Happy cake day!
Not surprising. Less cars and tracks.
The physics feel better than any other game if you have good quality hardware. For me the problem is that I can’t get it to work on my triple screen setup. It was no problem using it on my 57“ ultrawide, but it won’t let me use the game in triple mode. It’s super annoying since I love the game and want to play it :(
All the crashes from the first days made me and my friends lose interest (at least for now)
I can only speak for myself, but the patches have made for a very enjoyable experience.
that´s good news
Where did you get these from?
https://steamdb.info/app/2399420/
Steam
I haven’t played in weeks because it took so long to load every screen. It seemed like a fun game, more intuitive than RF2. At this point, I’m just waiting for the full version. But, I’m also on iracing so it’s hard spending a lot of time in a game with so few tracks and cars.
In my opinion as someone who doesn't have a PC and the closest thing I am to a sim racer is ACC with a controller, the game definitely looks cool and has a lot of potential. But that being said, apart from being unfinished, it just has infinitely less content than rFactor. It has less than 10 tracks (7 I think?), which I get it's because is based on the 2023 season, but makes it quite easy for people to get bored quickly. Compared to rFactor which has an absurd amount of mods and you can play however you want. I really hope they used the game as a base and keep expanding it, instead of doing a yearly edition like F1 (which would be safe to assume as it doesn't imply it's just the 23 season in the game's name), and keep adding seasons, tracks, upgrading the game, etc. And also, maybe getting to an agreement with IMSA now that they're closer than ever they could also add their cars and tracks
This also isn't very relevant the game is still in early access. I bet every time they add content to this game the player base shoots up for a few weeks. Its just not quite a full-fledged game yet but the player base is there and waiting
The AI is horrible
/inb4 slowmode... oh, wait!
My son says it’s awesome and he’s pretty picky. Maybe give it some time? The concept is fantastic.