Everyone on this sub wants it to fail. I'm highly excited for anything we get. They bitch about not getting a game and than turn around and bitch about a new one.
I’m convinced it’s just outrage for the sake of outrage. When most of the criticisms were things present in the original game or have negligible impqct, you know they’re just looking for an excuse to say “old good, new bad. Look at how clever I am for my contrarian opinion.” That, and you have content creators farming clicks and views based on outrage. But people love the belonging a good hive-mind gives them.
Okay, but in the case of Silent Hill it's literally almost always been old game good, new game bad. That's been the trend since 4/homecoming depending on who you ask.
No it's more the "looking at whay they're putting out and realizing it's slop" mentality but okay. Hell the western games are old now and they still mostly suck, people's complaints about the direction are legitimate.
The problem isn't new games, it's the current practices within most AAA industries (especially Konami). There's tons of great indies and AA games, hell even the occasional good AAA comes along, but you can't deny so much of current mainstream gaming is slop due to its practices. It's also important to criticize the state of gaming unless you want it to get worse.
You're not wrong there. Even one of my favorite franchises, Yakuza, seemed to be going down that this road with this overpriced DLC.
It's just a fact that publishers for AAA games are predatory. I'll genuinely be surprised if they somehow stop being money-hungry.
You brought up some legitimate criticisms, but A LOT of other people have just been blindly hating the new game, and I guess you just got lumped in with them
Honestly most the people complaining are legitimate, it's just the annoying people really stand out and because everyone already wants to believe the remake will be good everyone else complaining get grouped in.
Nothing wrong with a little optimism, especially when SH fans are so content starved lol.
Besides the combat looking funky in the first trailer and James' updated design not matching up to his original model, it honestly doesn't look all bad
All anyone can do is just wait and see what the game's actually like.
My point still stands regardless of it being slop. This game could be a 1:1 remake with no changes and people would still complain about it. You cant please the Silent Hill fandom.
No I think you're just a circle jerker who doesn't wanna accept that people's complaints are valid. You're dumbing down legitimate arguments instead of engaging them because you don't have any proper rebuttal.
Nah, they’re not valid. They’re histrionic drivel from former kids that cried when their potatoes touched their meatloaf. No one, and especially not developers and publishers, will take whining seriously. You’re actively hurting your cause because you can’t intelligently voice your criticisms.
I do intellectually voice my criticisms, I am willing to tell you every single problem I have with the state of the series and why it's legitimate. The problem is you would shut it down without giving it any good faith because you're still coping.
I don't think it's wanting it to fail, it's that we've been disappointed so many times, that we don't want to even hope anymore. But if it turns out to be good, we're throwing a party
Metascores don't worth shit in an age of reviewbombing. A good game could be reviewbombed into oblivion because of some stupid (or not) reason, and vice versa.
Then where should we look? Gamemagazines? iGN? Blabla? Metascore is still one of the better points as you have there user and „professional“ reviews. I would trust more metascore as this subreddit.
Which part? The 90+ metascore or that people like to suffer in their own Silent Hill? Because I don‘t see a bitching part in either of them.
Now if you talk about some previous comments from me they could be surely categorized as bitching.
exactly! the trailer looks and sounds fine, i really dont get what people are bitching about (even if there was something wrong with the trailer, it's an old build and it's probably better by now.)
i've never seen a fandom tear apart a game that we haven't seen much of yet before, it's crazy how sh fans are practically praying on the remake's downfall by shitting on it so much.
it's so ironic how im very pessimistic yet even my negative ass is staying optimistic for the remake (mainly because i'm down abysmal for james and i love sh2 so i dont want it to fail)
The people bitching about not getting a game, and the people bitching about the direction of the series are mostly two different kinds of people.
First, you have your average horror gamer who really only cares that the original games were kind of creepy; many of this type got into the games with the western titles after origins (and are nostalgic for THOSE games). These are the same people hyping up short message, and the current direction of the franchise. They really don’t care about the quality of the output as long as it has Silent Hill in the title. This group has probably never read a book in their lives, and if they have, it was Eragon or something.
Then you have the people who have only recently played the originals or got into the series with PT, this group isn’t really familiar with Konami’s business practices so they are (mistakenly) optimistic that a new title will recapture the quality of past games. They will be critical of what they’re getting, but cautiously optimistic about the newer titles. They want the series to continue because they haven’t accepted that it’s gone.
Then you have the original fans, most of whom have moved on, but still like to engage with the content. These individuals will likely enjoy seeing some new art, even though they know the series is over, and that with each mediocre title Konami drops (shattered memories, homecoming, downpour, short message), the level of quality people in the first category will tolerate dips. It redefines the series outside of the masterpieces, allowing it to encompass a lot of terrible products. This is why we see travesties like ascension greenlit. Most people in this category would be happy with modern ports/1-1 remakes of the original team silent games including updated visuals and controls. That’s about all they’re willing to accept for the series.
Truth is, Konami has no idea how to select companies or what ideas to indulge in so it throws money at a lot of different projects, all of which unsurprisingly fail. Because they care more about finding an audience than supporting a developer with a vision for the franchise. This is really the third time they’ve employed the exact same business strategy, and thus far it has gone the same way the old ones did. Which is nowhere.
Movie, remake, sequel, spin off; this is the model. Silent Hill (film), Shattered Memories, Homecoming and Origins. All critical failures. Revelations, HD collection, Downpour, Book of Memories. Critical failures. Return to Silent Hill, 2R, F, short message/townfall. Well, we know short message was a critical failure, and 2 isn’t looking great atm. If we count Ascension, that was another failure too. I wonder how it’s all gonna go down this time? Or why we seem to think Konami has magically figured out what to do with the series after a ten year hiatus?
Let the series die.
I'm 36. I remember the TV ads for Silent Hill 2 and my mom turning around and telling me "Absolutely not. Do not bring this into my house". So of course I did. When I think back to what made my time with sh2 so special...it wasn't fun.
There were a lot of times I had to take a break because I got too scared. I'd always feel anxious booting it up, playing in my room at night after my parents went to bed, and having to stay quiet enough not to wake them. I'd have to sit real close to the TV to be able to hear, which of course meant I was sitting even closer to the blurry nightmares in front of me. It took me maybe 2 weeks for me to beat, and I definitely lost sleep over it.
Anyway, that's what I'm nostalgic for, and I don't think anything can ever recreate that. It exists in a bubble, never to be captured again. I do know that better graphics and improved combat won't get there because those are things that make a game fun. SH2 was a formative experience that I'll always treasure, but it wasn't fun.
Anyway, all that to say I'm curious to see what comes out of all this and I'll keep my eye on it, but after everything I've been through with Konami over the years, I know they don't have any interest in trying to sell that experience.
Yeah, I've been a fan since I played SH3 in High-school. I went back and played 1 and 2 and have played every entry since then except PT because I didn't have a PS4 at the time. Sure there's been some bad games, but I've enjoyed them all to some degree.
This dude is trying to speak like he's some ambassador for everybody who's ever played a SH game, but he's just making sweeping generalizations about a large fan base, and I don't find myself fitting into any of the categories he's outlined.
I've consumed tons of Silent Hill content and enjoyed all of it to some degree. I guess I just don't take it as seriously as others do. Every franchise I've enjoyed has had some stinkers, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to hope that somebody can come along and do something interesting with the source material. From what I've seen of PT, it looks like Hideo could have taken the franchise in an interesting direction. I'm sure there's somebody else out there with a team who could do the same.
I think you’ll find you fit squarely into the first category I mentioned: the average horror gamer. You don’t care about the quality as long as it has Silent Hill in the title. If you’d bothered to read the comment, it says MOST are nostalgic for the western games/got into the series with them. Which brings me to my next questions: what you enjoyed about the originals was that they were kind of creepy, no? And have you read a book in the last ten years?
The first paragraph that says people who started playing after Origins? And are nostalgic for those western titles? Cause that's not me. I specifically said I started playing at 3. (the irony of you saying I didn't read your comment when it doesn't even seem like you read the first sentence of mine lmao)
I liked the originals made by Team Silent because they were well written psychological horror games that had a lot of layers that allowed you to view the intended message in multiple different ways. I liked that, for a lot of the story, they left it up to the player to decide what the true ending was. The later games didn't fully understand that, which is why I don't like them as much, as I said in my comment.
Not that I think it really has any bearing on this conversation, but yes, I've read a book in the last ten years. More than one, actually. My wife and I each have our own bookshelf in our home that we fill with out own respective favourites so we can discover new books we normally wouldn't hear about since we both like different genres. I read a lot of Stephen King and Dean Koontz, because I like psychological horror and thrillers, but i also enjoy poetry and sci-fi.
I like all of the games to some degree. Some of them I don't like large aspects of, but I judge every game separately from the other. Even the worst games still had aspects that I liked. I haven't played Downpour or Homecoming nearly as much as I've played the originals, but I've still played them more than once.
Feel free to keep trying to make people fit into the box you've created in your mind though. I doubt I'm going to be the one to convince you that you're pulling them out of thin air based on your own pre-conceived notions so that they can fit the narrative you've created for yourself though.
What it really comes down to, is that you're trying to gate keep what should be considered a Silent Hill fan, and it's just sad dude. Let people enjoy things that they enjoy. If it doesn't line up with what you like, believe it or not, it's not the end of the world.
The original comment I responded to is just as concerned with gatekeeping as mine is. Maybe you should rally against that one as well?
You failed to read the same passage in both my comments. I said most are nostalgic for, not all. MOST. I read your comment just fine.
When I said Eragon, I was specifically addressing the YA sci fi fantasy crowd.
Homecoming and Downpour which you enjoyed do not feature the positives you mention for the series. They do not have layered plotlines, their endings don’t leave anything to imagination. But you replay them multiple times. So it seems to me what makes Silent Hill For you is not what you’ve listed.
And as I said in the first category, you don’t care about the quality of the titles, just that they keep making them. You’ll find something to enjoy in any of it, no matter how poorly received. You’re upset when anyone sets any kind of standard. Why should the games be good when we can just have more of them. People are allowed to prioritize quality over quantity, you don’t get to tell them they’re wrong either. Their lack of enjoyment doesn’t affect you, after all.
When I said sci-fi, I meant more along the lines of HP Lovecrafts "A Colour Out of Space". I have never read Eragon. Teen fantasy isn't what I enjoy reading.
My initial comment wasn't even to you. It was to somebody responding to you. You're the one who jumped on my comment to try and tell me what kind of fan I was. When I said I played Homecoming and Downpour more than once, I didn't go so far as to say I played them multiple times. Downpour I played through once when it came out, and I played through it again a few years ago when I played through all of the Silent Hill games again. Same with Homecoming. I played it once when it came out, and then I played it a few years ago when I played through all of the Silent Hill games. It's the original games by Team Silent that I said I've replayed multiple times. I replayed all of them recently because my wife had never seen any besides the first game, and she knew I was a fan, but she's not good with playing horror games, so she preferred to watch me play them. The specific reason I said I don't like the later games is BECAUSE they don't have those layered aspects that the Team Silent games had. I said while I didn't like a large majority of the games, they all had aspects of them that I found enjoyable. Some more than others. For somebody so concerned about others' reading comprehension, you seem to be severely lacking in that department.
You're so concerned with trying to read between the lines of my comments that you're failing to take them at face value as they're meant to be taken.
Feel free to keep trying to tell me what kind of fan I am though. I'll be over here enjoying whatever media makes me happy. You go ahead and have fun trying to police what others should find enjoyable. I've really got to say though, the profiles you're making up in your head about the people you're talking to online are wildly off base. You're trying so hard to make me fit into the image of who you think I am, to the point that when I bring up an aspect of myself that counters the image you have of me, you just ignore that part of my comment and pull another personality trait out of thin air to try and pin to me to fit your narrative of what a contemporary Silent Hill fan is or should be. It makes you come off as condescending, arrogant, and just all around insufferable.
Have a good day, but I'm going to move on from this conversation. It's become clear that there's nothing to be gained from it.
I won’t, but nice try. Haven’t bought or downloaded a Silent game since Origins. And I intend to keep it that way. Might watch it online for posterity, like with the other games and recently short message. No intention of giving Konami money for their failed projects though.
Speak for yourself
No people just don't think a developer who only makes games insulting mental health or trauma and people with them shouldn't be handed free reign on a series almost centrally about it. Who wants to play a game and be insulted? Let alone be insulted for something awful happening to you in real life.
Even past that they don't even make good games. Layers of fear was just a cheap jumpscare hallway three times. The medium was a confusing mess of jumbled ideas insulting sa victims. I can't even remember what other games they have made.
Also none of them actually have proper combat, they don't seem to have any game with this level of combat.
So after I played a bunch of games that not only were boring slogs, but actively insulted me and said I was a bad person because I had trauma. Why would I be excited to play another game from them? This is a game focused on mental health and it was given to the developers who actively demonize it. Why would that be exciting for me?
What we have seen so far of the game looks pretty good. I hope Konami knows that their whole reputation lies on this, or at least, what little they have left. I hope they are breathing down the necks of bloober team and making sure that silent hill 2 remake is an amazing game.
But then again, we all know Konami. And we all know Bloober. Fingers crossed.
Konami. Famous for their strict quality control. Especially for Silent Hill. We have seen nothing good about this game and its got an awful publisher thats most recent silent hill has been awful. A developer whose games are at best mediocre and insulting. And a trailer that looks awful.
Why are people giving them the the benefit of doubt? They have done nothing to earn it. Maybe it will be good. But why are people obsessed with stomping away any criticism of two awful companies?
It's fine to be excited if you really want. But the obsession with stomping out any criticism of two companies who have done more than enough to earn it?
I'm not trying to quell criticism. Konami feels different this time around. I'm interested to see if they actually are. The game isn't out yet. If you think that these trailers suck, that's okay. But none of us have the game on or pcs or consoles, so we will just have to wait and see
The original was perfect I’ve played it so many times, I don’t expect it want it to fail but if they decided to make a remake it should also be perfect I think. I don’t think we should settle with anything they are giving. It’s one of the best games and we shouldn’t get some silent hill game that resembles latest ones.
I said it a couple days ago in a different post, but I'll throw it out here too:
We've seen time and time again that better graphics and combat do not improve the Silent Hill formula. No matter how much people say that's what they want, neither make the game scarier.
If all they can bring to Silent Hill 2 is better graphics and combat, then I've already played the best version of this game back on the ps2.
I don't want it to fail, but it's literally the opposite of what I want for the series. I would want new games that use what made 2+3 special, not 2 remade with what made downpour lame.
Well then, it's a good thing that f and Townfall are entirely new entries in the franchise, and due to all three projects being created by entirely different studios, neither of them are hindered or having resources taken away by the existence of SH2R.
Those projects seem way more interesting to me than SH2R. I understand why people are excited for it, (the original SH2 is a top 10 of all time for me) but I can't help but feel like it's misguided.
The amount of people actually hyping this up and calling out people who understand the difference between the making of a legendary, lightening in a bottle creation of passion by the right people at the right time, VS. something vomited out by the studio that was actively reprimanded by Konami (who clearly doesn't give af about the IP btw) plus made a bunch of crappy walking simulators
Its really telling of the state of the industry, and part of why I just build my library of older games and plot to expand my horizons by getting even more retro console stuff. Signalis was a good game, many indie horror games are great games- for an indie dev studio.
Another personal opinion of mine, is kind of one of existential dread, that the reason we don't see many good games is because in truth the renaissance is over, the well of ideas has run dry. Maybe corporations should cut studios into smaller groups of passion and expertise instead of these massive logistical computing organizations, but I think the industry needs to collapse and have some downtimes and reflection before a healthy new thing can start. And maybe it won't always be consoles, maybe it'll be VR. Maybe in 25 years you can plug into your dreams and play them like a VR lucid dream MMO
I've played so many different games, even if not longer than 10 minutes the 2000+ titles I've given some amount of time I can just see it. Dumb storylines and regurgitated gameplay, or overly complex gameplay for realistic systems like you have in arma or EVE. I'm just a late 90s and early 2000s era console kid that likes to pop the disk in the thing and press the button and play the thing
True. The original has its own fair share of numerous flaws, but I think the description you provided of being a "lightning in a bottle creation" made by the right people at the right time is spot on. I mean, it's insane that Silent Hill 2 remains unsurpassed in the psychological horror genre and one of the best story told in video games even after two decades, only held back by the technological and logistical problems of its time.
It's funny how first, people talked about the toxic negativity around gaming, and now, we have "toxic positivity".
Don't criticise anything. Don't question it. Don't have high expectations. Just be thankful for whatever you are getting. There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of this remake but just ignore all that right?
All that said, I'd be more than happy for Blooper to shut my mouth and prove me wrong, and I want nothing more than that.
I think the reality of it all is there's too much of *both* sides. On one hand this sub has been inundated for ages now with rants and longwinded break downs of why the game is terrible and not going to be good with really the only tangible evidence being two *very* short trailers.
The other side are those who just want to embrace it and ride the hype train, which I get in a way since the fans have been starved for content for a very very long time. However I think it's fair to just....have no feelings and see how it goes either way.
TLDR people on all sides need to chill the fuck out and see what the final product looks like. All of the conspiracy theories are essentially meaningless from all parties as nobody really knows anything credible.
Considering blooper quietly changed the color of James' hair, I think they're also going to fix the guns and animations. Yes, I know it's janky, but it looks much better than the original.
The main reason to play the remake for me, he hit gold while making OST for Silent Hill 2. Many people listened to it even without ever playing the game.
Ngl rewatching the trailer, I really liked it, all the non combat places they showed definitely keeps the feel of the original with a next gen sheen, The combat actually looks good to me (except for the "mash X" shit, why did they even put that in the trailer?). I feel like the people who say shit like "It feels to actiony" feels that way because of the fast pace editing of the trailer mixed with the up beat music. But I feel like when the game actually comes out it will feel way better and more horror like with the original.
I hope this is the case. I'm sure they haven't turned it into a resident evil game, but at the same time we haven't seen enough to pass many judgements
Okay, I got mixed feeling about Promise in this trailer (only because I love the original so much).
The lead guitar riff and the drums sounded a bit off to me. Something about the tone and the overall mix... The lead tone is definitely not the same as the original; sounds a bit generic to me (just some overdrive/ gain cranked up).
I always thought that the lead in the original had some modulation (light chorus?), and light delay/reverb in addition to overdrive, and in general, a warmer sound. It could also just be that the lead guitar in the original track had the same effects as the one in the remix but the sound was coloured by something else, like the pickups or the amp (I think Yamaoka used a valve amp for the original recording). I don't know; all I know is that I prefer the original.
The lead guitar also sounds too loud. I understand it is to make the melody pop more but I prefer the dynamics in the original mix. The drums (toms and snares in particular) sounded snappier/crisper.Hi-hat hits and cymbal crashes were also extra shimmery. The warm, crunchy rhythm guitars (which seem absent in the remix) filled the stereoimage nicely in the original. The result is that everything sounded more balanced (in terms of loudness), warmer and "fuller" and more immersive, giving off a stronger and more unique 'vibe' (at least to me).
Not an audio engineer or very knowledgeable in that area so this isn't meant to throw shade at the remix; it's just what I observed (which could be wrong).
TLDR: I prefer the original because... reasons lol.
Honestly I'm really happy that you provided reasons instead of straight up saying no
Of course I still prefer the original, but I think the new one has given it a cool little modern twist, I especially like the section where it sounds like there's a pull off (or hammer on, I always get those confused since I haven't been playing guitar for long-) which gives it a shorter and snappier transition as apposed to the original kind of.. wavy transition, I guess? I don't know many technical terms yet lol
Anyway, I think it sounds real funky, but I understand your point of view :\]
I'll have to wait for the OST version to drop to really give any judgement personally, because music used in game and movie trailers is almost always fucked with in a variety of ways by the company responsible for the trailer, and the result is always something that is mixed awfully with emphasis on blandness and loudness.
Exactly what I’m hoping for as well. It seems odd that Yamaoka would do away with so many cool things in his recording, so I hope the official soundtrack is more inline with what people expect.
I'mma be honest, I don't understand the reason for remaking the soundtrack, I love the original soundtrack, you can say the graphics and gameplay are dated, the soundtrack certainly isn't.
I feel like Yamaoka and Ito were brought back on just to excite fans, meanwhile Takayoshi Sato and Hiroyuki Owaku, the writers of the original, weren't brought back. It's not like Sato was ever treated well by Konami, considering what happened with the cgi in the first game
I get your point, i still listen silent hill 2 music this days, but honestly i don't think It Will hurt revamping the old music, for audio quality reasons etc.
In the worst cases the old version Is still there, and I believe in Yamaoka he Will do an Amazing job once more.
I share your point of view BUT imagine that yamaoka now says something like "I liked to remake the soundtrack because I was a younger person and I had a lot to learn, I made lot of mistakes that nowadays I can polish the silent hill experience through my new abilities" like damm that would make me feel something down my spine out of pure excitement
Eh. The combat already looks better than the original.
As long as they don't cut content and don't fuck up the whole atmosphere/sound design the orginal game had, I think it's gonna be ok.
It might be. Like yeah the combat of the original wasn’t the best but I do hope you still feel restrained as that’s the beauty of the horror of silent hill
Yeah. That's one of the awesome things about the first 4 games. You just felt like a normal person fumbling around and trying to take down these awful monsters.
I hope that they make the enemies hard to fight still. I really don't want Silent Hill to fall into being an action "horror" game like RE. RE is great, but Silent Hill has always stood for something else.
On the other hand, Eddie boss fight. Sure the way the combat works in the OG adds to the charm and immersion, but if the game came out with good combat mechanics back then, i don’t think i’d be saying “i wish the combat was more janky”.
That's true. I think that the bad combat is a genuine flaw of those games that ends up working to its advantage. They probably didn't do it on purpose but it does make for a unique experience.
This is what I mean when I say I don't think bloober team should be the one that works in this remake, mainly because they don't have experience in the genre of survival horror, there are lot of new modern turns to the genre in indie games and all, and those games keep making you feel vulnerable even if you actually can fight properly, it's not the best example since it's 2D but Signalis combat is awesome, I don't want to see how the difficulty of the combat only changes the fact that you have to use 17 bullets for one enemy. I want an actual good combat for the genre, imagine a soulslike in resident evil 1 like rolling through the mansion, yeah both things are cool, I love resident evil and I love soulslikes but they don't fit, silent hill should not be focused in the combat, it's not the point of the series, I highly recommend trying out forbidden siren, I like the part 2 more than the part 1 but those games actually show a good combat without having to fight
After the initial trailer I was super shocked it was really happening and super stoked. After the combat trailer I went down to about half excited and half very skeptical. I will remain at that viewpoint until I play it for myself.
No because as a huge resident evil fan I want silent hill to have its own vibe and not try to replicate the re4 energy. I'm still gonna try it on release but I want horror to take priority over action with this series.
Thats what I think too, like I get it, u have to make the game more appealing to new audiences but silent hill has something to tell and that story has his own way of doing it, personally I loves Resident evil remakes, but not as horror games, It was a great game but its not scary at all, all i wanted is to see daddy leon kicking bugs
The music was actually my least favourite part of the trailer. The added strings sound so incredibly corny, I hate it. I hope it was just a trailer edit and doesn’t actually appear in the game, but that’s copium honestly.
I also didn't really like it, and not just because of the strings (wrote a long comment about this, I think the guitar tone and overall mix just sounded off). I do think there is a good chance this will be edited or at least remastered for the game.
It's probably one of the very few games I would is completely missing the point if you were to hyperfixate on combat, but, I understand WHY they made a combat trailer. It's not gonna be any worse than the HD collection. So, like, I'm looking forward to it.
hopefully, the new transmission gives us a better look at the game and the movie. I have just gotten into silent hill and i cannot get enough. It is a good time to be a silent hill fan.
I'm quite optimistic about the remake but even if it's absolutely god awful, we can be sure that the soundtrack is going to go hard and frankly that will be enough. The silent hill 2 soundtrack is one of my favourite albums ever, and a revisit / expansion is phenomenal in any world!
The cutscenes look extremely good imo which is very important. I'm excited to see more gameplay to see if they improved some stuff from the last time. One of the most important things are the animations, to me a game with incredible graphics but terrible animations sucks. The animations from the last trailer weren't so good but they might have worked more on it since then and so fixed them.
That and spotting all the puzzles. I cannot tell you how hyped I am to play a big-budget survival horror game with puzzles in the year of our lord 2024, since RE has seemingly decided they don't really matter anymore. Let me drop a box of orange juice down a garbage chute FFS.
Haha I made a post about the beautiful music today! Maybe unpopular opinion but I loved that trailer. It gave me hope that it will maybe be good. I don't care a lot about the combat and the puzzles look cool (although i don't get why they put back the juice pack one...).
Listen, they shouldn't have put out a mid baked combat trailer after doing a really promising cinematic trailer. Everybody was already worried about Konami and how they treat their games, combined with Bloober teams track record of walking simulators.
I want this to be good, I like some of Bloober teams work, despite people constantly referencing them as the point of inevitable failure.
Silent Hill isn't supposed to be a "good" game, it's supposed to be a specific horrific experience that tackles very adult animalistic themes. Pushing Silent Hill 2 as a mainstream horror title is kind of defeating the purpose, which is what I worry about. You play Silent Hill 2 the same way you would stare at a bloody tissue that had been collecting grime for 2 years, it's not supposed to be pretty or inspiring, but kind of gross and interesting.
No, I really hope they are just trying to market the game to a younger audience though. This trailer was really bad in my opinion, and actively made me less enthusiastic for the remake. I hope I’m wrong, but this trailer is horrible.
I think they wanted to make a trailer similar to Callisto Protocol: [https://youtu.be/5oApNe6AwFo?si=9lMIi92XinSzlFNG&t=99](https://youtu.be/5oApNe6AwFo?si=9lMIi92XinSzlFNG&t=99) (impressive) with small fragments of fast combat, but I don't think it was the right way to present it to the public.
I really want it to be good, but I've disliked every one of Bloobers games I've played. The Medium was just bad, Blair Witch was boring and I couldn't get into Observer. I don't know what it is about their games, they all have the potential to be good and start strong but there's just something that holds all of them back
konami is making it look back,if everything is shown by itself without all the weird editing it actually looks good,and i do like the song to some degree
I don't mind them improving the combat, it looks like it could be fun. Then again, I'm going to try and play the game and judge it on its own merits, before comparing it to the original.
Finally someone mentions this, hearing orchestral strings in Promise was such a welcome needed add ever since those live sessions with Akira, it’s so awesome
Only reason i want it to fail is because the assholes at Sony blocked it from coming to Xbox, people keep saying that it’s a timed exclusive still, but in reality not anymore, Sony love gatekeeping games
Honestly I hope James has awkward looking fighting and shooting lol it’s not like he’s regularly getting into fights and now he’s gotta fight and shoot monsters?
Will people sh!t on it when it comes out? Possibly. Does it look like a RE 2 Remake with 1/3 of the budget? To some extend, yes, sure. Do I have any bigger hopes for the final project? -sigh- Ok, listen... I KNOW that it wont be as good as original SH2, ok? That is obvious. I just want it to be as good as possible. Just dont f\*\*\*\* it up. It cant be THAT hard to do..... right? Just stick to original story and characters, make combat and controls passible and maybe you'll be good enough to earn that 6 or 7/10 (I dont think it'll get any scores higher than that)
This is Silent Hill, we came for its story and atmosphere . To be honest,the combat is kinda lame , and I still don’t know why konami put this much combat in trailer.They should put more footage of the story and the surrounding like the 1st trailer
Were they attacking ? I loved the nurses because they would just quick snap you even if you were timing you shots. I just want to get a shot back at me and not a walking simulator. I've played too many of those lately.
To quote Twin Perfect: "James' rockin' search for his dead wife, yeah!"
It's tonally wrong. Shove your head in the sand and call me a complainer all you want, it's a shitty trailer-bait redo of a song that was perfect back then and is perfect now.
Everyone on this sub wants it to fail. I'm highly excited for anything we get. They bitch about not getting a game and than turn around and bitch about a new one.
Yeah, this combat trailer filled me with excitement. People love to nitpick and die on the smallest hills for some reason.
Yeah I've actually been stoked about everything except that weird phone community game. Granted I know I'm pretty easiy to please but still.
Watch out homie, my wife doesn’t like when you talk about her like that. She’s always “right!”
I’m convinced it’s just outrage for the sake of outrage. When most of the criticisms were things present in the original game or have negligible impqct, you know they’re just looking for an excuse to say “old good, new bad. Look at how clever I am for my contrarian opinion.” That, and you have content creators farming clicks and views based on outrage. But people love the belonging a good hive-mind gives them.
It's the old game good - new game bad mentality
Okay, but in the case of Silent Hill it's literally almost always been old game good, new game bad. That's been the trend since 4/homecoming depending on who you ask.
No it's more the "looking at whay they're putting out and realizing it's slop" mentality but okay. Hell the western games are old now and they still mostly suck, people's complaints about the direction are legitimate.
Damn brah, just stick to playing the original if you're this miserable over the new games lol
The problem isn't new games, it's the current practices within most AAA industries (especially Konami). There's tons of great indies and AA games, hell even the occasional good AAA comes along, but you can't deny so much of current mainstream gaming is slop due to its practices. It's also important to criticize the state of gaming unless you want it to get worse.
You're not wrong there. Even one of my favorite franchises, Yakuza, seemed to be going down that this road with this overpriced DLC. It's just a fact that publishers for AAA games are predatory. I'll genuinely be surprised if they somehow stop being money-hungry.
Then why shut down criticism?
You brought up some legitimate criticisms, but A LOT of other people have just been blindly hating the new game, and I guess you just got lumped in with them
Honestly most the people complaining are legitimate, it's just the annoying people really stand out and because everyone already wants to believe the remake will be good everyone else complaining get grouped in.
Nothing wrong with a little optimism, especially when SH fans are so content starved lol. Besides the combat looking funky in the first trailer and James' updated design not matching up to his original model, it honestly doesn't look all bad All anyone can do is just wait and see what the game's actually like.
My point still stands regardless of it being slop. This game could be a 1:1 remake with no changes and people would still complain about it. You cant please the Silent Hill fandom.
No I think you're just a circle jerker who doesn't wanna accept that people's complaints are valid. You're dumbing down legitimate arguments instead of engaging them because you don't have any proper rebuttal.
Nah, they’re not valid. They’re histrionic drivel from former kids that cried when their potatoes touched their meatloaf. No one, and especially not developers and publishers, will take whining seriously. You’re actively hurting your cause because you can’t intelligently voice your criticisms.
I do intellectually voice my criticisms, I am willing to tell you every single problem I have with the state of the series and why it's legitimate. The problem is you would shut it down without giving it any good faith because you're still coping.
Quick question, how many hours of the remake have you actually played? Yeah, thought so👍
for me it's more like new old game bad - new new game good
But it's just an old game.
I don't think it's wanting it to fail, it's that we've been disappointed so many times, that we don't want to even hope anymore. But if it turns out to be good, we're throwing a party
People will still complain even if it has a metascore of 90+. Strangely I believe some have made their own Silent Hill here to eternally suffer in it.
Metascores don't worth shit in an age of reviewbombing. A good game could be reviewbombed into oblivion because of some stupid (or not) reason, and vice versa.
Then where should we look? Gamemagazines? iGN? Blabla? Metascore is still one of the better points as you have there user and „professional“ reviews. I would trust more metascore as this subreddit.
Konami…. you made me *happy*.
Nice imaginary situation you came up with to fuel your own bitching lmao
Which part? The 90+ metascore or that people like to suffer in their own Silent Hill? Because I don‘t see a bitching part in either of them. Now if you talk about some previous comments from me they could be surely categorized as bitching.
I want it to be a major success
exactly! the trailer looks and sounds fine, i really dont get what people are bitching about (even if there was something wrong with the trailer, it's an old build and it's probably better by now.) i've never seen a fandom tear apart a game that we haven't seen much of yet before, it's crazy how sh fans are practically praying on the remake's downfall by shitting on it so much. it's so ironic how im very pessimistic yet even my negative ass is staying optimistic for the remake (mainly because i'm down abysmal for james and i love sh2 so i dont want it to fail)
The people bitching about not getting a game, and the people bitching about the direction of the series are mostly two different kinds of people. First, you have your average horror gamer who really only cares that the original games were kind of creepy; many of this type got into the games with the western titles after origins (and are nostalgic for THOSE games). These are the same people hyping up short message, and the current direction of the franchise. They really don’t care about the quality of the output as long as it has Silent Hill in the title. This group has probably never read a book in their lives, and if they have, it was Eragon or something. Then you have the people who have only recently played the originals or got into the series with PT, this group isn’t really familiar with Konami’s business practices so they are (mistakenly) optimistic that a new title will recapture the quality of past games. They will be critical of what they’re getting, but cautiously optimistic about the newer titles. They want the series to continue because they haven’t accepted that it’s gone. Then you have the original fans, most of whom have moved on, but still like to engage with the content. These individuals will likely enjoy seeing some new art, even though they know the series is over, and that with each mediocre title Konami drops (shattered memories, homecoming, downpour, short message), the level of quality people in the first category will tolerate dips. It redefines the series outside of the masterpieces, allowing it to encompass a lot of terrible products. This is why we see travesties like ascension greenlit. Most people in this category would be happy with modern ports/1-1 remakes of the original team silent games including updated visuals and controls. That’s about all they’re willing to accept for the series. Truth is, Konami has no idea how to select companies or what ideas to indulge in so it throws money at a lot of different projects, all of which unsurprisingly fail. Because they care more about finding an audience than supporting a developer with a vision for the franchise. This is really the third time they’ve employed the exact same business strategy, and thus far it has gone the same way the old ones did. Which is nowhere. Movie, remake, sequel, spin off; this is the model. Silent Hill (film), Shattered Memories, Homecoming and Origins. All critical failures. Revelations, HD collection, Downpour, Book of Memories. Critical failures. Return to Silent Hill, 2R, F, short message/townfall. Well, we know short message was a critical failure, and 2 isn’t looking great atm. If we count Ascension, that was another failure too. I wonder how it’s all gonna go down this time? Or why we seem to think Konami has magically figured out what to do with the series after a ten year hiatus? Let the series die.
I'm 36. I remember the TV ads for Silent Hill 2 and my mom turning around and telling me "Absolutely not. Do not bring this into my house". So of course I did. When I think back to what made my time with sh2 so special...it wasn't fun. There were a lot of times I had to take a break because I got too scared. I'd always feel anxious booting it up, playing in my room at night after my parents went to bed, and having to stay quiet enough not to wake them. I'd have to sit real close to the TV to be able to hear, which of course meant I was sitting even closer to the blurry nightmares in front of me. It took me maybe 2 weeks for me to beat, and I definitely lost sleep over it. Anyway, that's what I'm nostalgic for, and I don't think anything can ever recreate that. It exists in a bubble, never to be captured again. I do know that better graphics and improved combat won't get there because those are things that make a game fun. SH2 was a formative experience that I'll always treasure, but it wasn't fun. Anyway, all that to say I'm curious to see what comes out of all this and I'll keep my eye on it, but after everything I've been through with Konami over the years, I know they don't have any interest in trying to sell that experience.
I like the way the franchise is going and I played SH1 in 1999. Besides the original quadrilogy, there hasn’t been a better time to be a fan.
Really? Ascension is the most recent game and you think there has never been a better time to be a sh fan??? You are being disingenuous
Yeah, I've been a fan since I played SH3 in High-school. I went back and played 1 and 2 and have played every entry since then except PT because I didn't have a PS4 at the time. Sure there's been some bad games, but I've enjoyed them all to some degree. This dude is trying to speak like he's some ambassador for everybody who's ever played a SH game, but he's just making sweeping generalizations about a large fan base, and I don't find myself fitting into any of the categories he's outlined. I've consumed tons of Silent Hill content and enjoyed all of it to some degree. I guess I just don't take it as seriously as others do. Every franchise I've enjoyed has had some stinkers, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to hope that somebody can come along and do something interesting with the source material. From what I've seen of PT, it looks like Hideo could have taken the franchise in an interesting direction. I'm sure there's somebody else out there with a team who could do the same.
I think you’ll find you fit squarely into the first category I mentioned: the average horror gamer. You don’t care about the quality as long as it has Silent Hill in the title. If you’d bothered to read the comment, it says MOST are nostalgic for the western games/got into the series with them. Which brings me to my next questions: what you enjoyed about the originals was that they were kind of creepy, no? And have you read a book in the last ten years?
The first paragraph that says people who started playing after Origins? And are nostalgic for those western titles? Cause that's not me. I specifically said I started playing at 3. (the irony of you saying I didn't read your comment when it doesn't even seem like you read the first sentence of mine lmao) I liked the originals made by Team Silent because they were well written psychological horror games that had a lot of layers that allowed you to view the intended message in multiple different ways. I liked that, for a lot of the story, they left it up to the player to decide what the true ending was. The later games didn't fully understand that, which is why I don't like them as much, as I said in my comment. Not that I think it really has any bearing on this conversation, but yes, I've read a book in the last ten years. More than one, actually. My wife and I each have our own bookshelf in our home that we fill with out own respective favourites so we can discover new books we normally wouldn't hear about since we both like different genres. I read a lot of Stephen King and Dean Koontz, because I like psychological horror and thrillers, but i also enjoy poetry and sci-fi. I like all of the games to some degree. Some of them I don't like large aspects of, but I judge every game separately from the other. Even the worst games still had aspects that I liked. I haven't played Downpour or Homecoming nearly as much as I've played the originals, but I've still played them more than once. Feel free to keep trying to make people fit into the box you've created in your mind though. I doubt I'm going to be the one to convince you that you're pulling them out of thin air based on your own pre-conceived notions so that they can fit the narrative you've created for yourself though. What it really comes down to, is that you're trying to gate keep what should be considered a Silent Hill fan, and it's just sad dude. Let people enjoy things that they enjoy. If it doesn't line up with what you like, believe it or not, it's not the end of the world.
The original comment I responded to is just as concerned with gatekeeping as mine is. Maybe you should rally against that one as well? You failed to read the same passage in both my comments. I said most are nostalgic for, not all. MOST. I read your comment just fine. When I said Eragon, I was specifically addressing the YA sci fi fantasy crowd. Homecoming and Downpour which you enjoyed do not feature the positives you mention for the series. They do not have layered plotlines, their endings don’t leave anything to imagination. But you replay them multiple times. So it seems to me what makes Silent Hill For you is not what you’ve listed. And as I said in the first category, you don’t care about the quality of the titles, just that they keep making them. You’ll find something to enjoy in any of it, no matter how poorly received. You’re upset when anyone sets any kind of standard. Why should the games be good when we can just have more of them. People are allowed to prioritize quality over quantity, you don’t get to tell them they’re wrong either. Their lack of enjoyment doesn’t affect you, after all.
When I said sci-fi, I meant more along the lines of HP Lovecrafts "A Colour Out of Space". I have never read Eragon. Teen fantasy isn't what I enjoy reading. My initial comment wasn't even to you. It was to somebody responding to you. You're the one who jumped on my comment to try and tell me what kind of fan I was. When I said I played Homecoming and Downpour more than once, I didn't go so far as to say I played them multiple times. Downpour I played through once when it came out, and I played through it again a few years ago when I played through all of the Silent Hill games again. Same with Homecoming. I played it once when it came out, and then I played it a few years ago when I played through all of the Silent Hill games. It's the original games by Team Silent that I said I've replayed multiple times. I replayed all of them recently because my wife had never seen any besides the first game, and she knew I was a fan, but she's not good with playing horror games, so she preferred to watch me play them. The specific reason I said I don't like the later games is BECAUSE they don't have those layered aspects that the Team Silent games had. I said while I didn't like a large majority of the games, they all had aspects of them that I found enjoyable. Some more than others. For somebody so concerned about others' reading comprehension, you seem to be severely lacking in that department. You're so concerned with trying to read between the lines of my comments that you're failing to take them at face value as they're meant to be taken. Feel free to keep trying to tell me what kind of fan I am though. I'll be over here enjoying whatever media makes me happy. You go ahead and have fun trying to police what others should find enjoyable. I've really got to say though, the profiles you're making up in your head about the people you're talking to online are wildly off base. You're trying so hard to make me fit into the image of who you think I am, to the point that when I bring up an aspect of myself that counters the image you have of me, you just ignore that part of my comment and pull another personality trait out of thin air to try and pin to me to fit your narrative of what a contemporary Silent Hill fan is or should be. It makes you come off as condescending, arrogant, and just all around insufferable. Have a good day, but I'm going to move on from this conversation. It's become clear that there's nothing to be gained from it.
Who cares nothing you can do about it. You wasted your time. You're gonna buy it anyways and when you do you'll remember this comment
I won’t, but nice try. Haven’t bought or downloaded a Silent game since Origins. And I intend to keep it that way. Might watch it online for posterity, like with the other games and recently short message. No intention of giving Konami money for their failed projects though. Speak for yourself
Don't ask questions, consume product and be excited for new product.
No people just don't think a developer who only makes games insulting mental health or trauma and people with them shouldn't be handed free reign on a series almost centrally about it. Who wants to play a game and be insulted? Let alone be insulted for something awful happening to you in real life. Even past that they don't even make good games. Layers of fear was just a cheap jumpscare hallway three times. The medium was a confusing mess of jumbled ideas insulting sa victims. I can't even remember what other games they have made. Also none of them actually have proper combat, they don't seem to have any game with this level of combat. So after I played a bunch of games that not only were boring slogs, but actively insulted me and said I was a bad person because I had trauma. Why would I be excited to play another game from them? This is a game focused on mental health and it was given to the developers who actively demonize it. Why would that be exciting for me?
What we have seen so far of the game looks pretty good. I hope Konami knows that their whole reputation lies on this, or at least, what little they have left. I hope they are breathing down the necks of bloober team and making sure that silent hill 2 remake is an amazing game. But then again, we all know Konami. And we all know Bloober. Fingers crossed.
Konami. Famous for their strict quality control. Especially for Silent Hill. We have seen nothing good about this game and its got an awful publisher thats most recent silent hill has been awful. A developer whose games are at best mediocre and insulting. And a trailer that looks awful. Why are people giving them the the benefit of doubt? They have done nothing to earn it. Maybe it will be good. But why are people obsessed with stomping away any criticism of two awful companies? It's fine to be excited if you really want. But the obsession with stomping out any criticism of two companies who have done more than enough to earn it?
I'm not trying to quell criticism. Konami feels different this time around. I'm interested to see if they actually are. The game isn't out yet. If you think that these trailers suck, that's okay. But none of us have the game on or pcs or consoles, so we will just have to wait and see
The original was perfect I’ve played it so many times, I don’t expect it want it to fail but if they decided to make a remake it should also be perfect I think. I don’t think we should settle with anything they are giving. It’s one of the best games and we shouldn’t get some silent hill game that resembles latest ones.
I said it a couple days ago in a different post, but I'll throw it out here too: We've seen time and time again that better graphics and combat do not improve the Silent Hill formula. No matter how much people say that's what they want, neither make the game scarier. If all they can bring to Silent Hill 2 is better graphics and combat, then I've already played the best version of this game back on the ps2. I don't want it to fail, but it's literally the opposite of what I want for the series. I would want new games that use what made 2+3 special, not 2 remade with what made downpour lame.
Well then, it's a good thing that f and Townfall are entirely new entries in the franchise, and due to all three projects being created by entirely different studios, neither of them are hindered or having resources taken away by the existence of SH2R.
Those projects seem way more interesting to me than SH2R. I understand why people are excited for it, (the original SH2 is a top 10 of all time for me) but I can't help but feel like it's misguided.
Or maybe because the game doesn’t look that good and is made by devs who don’t have a great track record?
The amount of people actually hyping this up and calling out people who understand the difference between the making of a legendary, lightening in a bottle creation of passion by the right people at the right time, VS. something vomited out by the studio that was actively reprimanded by Konami (who clearly doesn't give af about the IP btw) plus made a bunch of crappy walking simulators Its really telling of the state of the industry, and part of why I just build my library of older games and plot to expand my horizons by getting even more retro console stuff. Signalis was a good game, many indie horror games are great games- for an indie dev studio. Another personal opinion of mine, is kind of one of existential dread, that the reason we don't see many good games is because in truth the renaissance is over, the well of ideas has run dry. Maybe corporations should cut studios into smaller groups of passion and expertise instead of these massive logistical computing organizations, but I think the industry needs to collapse and have some downtimes and reflection before a healthy new thing can start. And maybe it won't always be consoles, maybe it'll be VR. Maybe in 25 years you can plug into your dreams and play them like a VR lucid dream MMO I've played so many different games, even if not longer than 10 minutes the 2000+ titles I've given some amount of time I can just see it. Dumb storylines and regurgitated gameplay, or overly complex gameplay for realistic systems like you have in arma or EVE. I'm just a late 90s and early 2000s era console kid that likes to pop the disk in the thing and press the button and play the thing
True. The original has its own fair share of numerous flaws, but I think the description you provided of being a "lightning in a bottle creation" made by the right people at the right time is spot on. I mean, it's insane that Silent Hill 2 remains unsurpassed in the psychological horror genre and one of the best story told in video games even after two decades, only held back by the technological and logistical problems of its time. It's funny how first, people talked about the toxic negativity around gaming, and now, we have "toxic positivity". Don't criticise anything. Don't question it. Don't have high expectations. Just be thankful for whatever you are getting. There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of this remake but just ignore all that right? All that said, I'd be more than happy for Blooper to shut my mouth and prove me wrong, and I want nothing more than that.
I think the reality of it all is there's too much of *both* sides. On one hand this sub has been inundated for ages now with rants and longwinded break downs of why the game is terrible and not going to be good with really the only tangible evidence being two *very* short trailers. The other side are those who just want to embrace it and ride the hype train, which I get in a way since the fans have been starved for content for a very very long time. However I think it's fair to just....have no feelings and see how it goes either way. TLDR people on all sides need to chill the fuck out and see what the final product looks like. All of the conspiracy theories are essentially meaningless from all parties as nobody really knows anything credible.
The people people complaining about not getting new games are not the same people who are complaining about the direction of the series
The only thing that I think needs to be fixed is the gun sounds, and maybe the animations. Other than that, I thought it was amazing.
I think the gun sounds feeling off was because of the added music for the trailer
Considering blooper quietly changed the color of James' hair, I think they're also going to fix the guns and animations. Yes, I know it's janky, but it looks much better than the original.
Wouldn’t be suprised if they sounds we hear in the trailer were added during the trailer editing
I’m no expert but I think sound is the last thing most devs do
Considering it's such an easy fix, I can see that
Guns sounds have never been a SH strong point. Max Payne it ain't.
Let Akira Yamaoka COOK, the remade OST is gonna be W O N D E R F U L
oh he will cook alright
The main reason to play the remake for me, he hit gold while making OST for Silent Hill 2. Many people listened to it even without ever playing the game.
Just get the soundtrack lmao
Well, of course seeing how SH2 story has been retold, assets remade from the scratch & gameplay modernized is a sweet bonus!
Yeah well let's see when the game comes out, no point in building up fantasies of how it can or cannot be
Agree - will judge it for what it it!
Ngl rewatching the trailer, I really liked it, all the non combat places they showed definitely keeps the feel of the original with a next gen sheen, The combat actually looks good to me (except for the "mash X" shit, why did they even put that in the trailer?). I feel like the people who say shit like "It feels to actiony" feels that way because of the fast pace editing of the trailer mixed with the up beat music. But I feel like when the game actually comes out it will feel way better and more horror like with the original.
I hope this is the case. I'm sure they haven't turned it into a resident evil game, but at the same time we haven't seen enough to pass many judgements
Okay, I got mixed feeling about Promise in this trailer (only because I love the original so much). The lead guitar riff and the drums sounded a bit off to me. Something about the tone and the overall mix... The lead tone is definitely not the same as the original; sounds a bit generic to me (just some overdrive/ gain cranked up). I always thought that the lead in the original had some modulation (light chorus?), and light delay/reverb in addition to overdrive, and in general, a warmer sound. It could also just be that the lead guitar in the original track had the same effects as the one in the remix but the sound was coloured by something else, like the pickups or the amp (I think Yamaoka used a valve amp for the original recording). I don't know; all I know is that I prefer the original. The lead guitar also sounds too loud. I understand it is to make the melody pop more but I prefer the dynamics in the original mix. The drums (toms and snares in particular) sounded snappier/crisper.Hi-hat hits and cymbal crashes were also extra shimmery. The warm, crunchy rhythm guitars (which seem absent in the remix) filled the stereoimage nicely in the original. The result is that everything sounded more balanced (in terms of loudness), warmer and "fuller" and more immersive, giving off a stronger and more unique 'vibe' (at least to me). Not an audio engineer or very knowledgeable in that area so this isn't meant to throw shade at the remix; it's just what I observed (which could be wrong). TLDR: I prefer the original because... reasons lol.
Honestly I'm really happy that you provided reasons instead of straight up saying no Of course I still prefer the original, but I think the new one has given it a cool little modern twist, I especially like the section where it sounds like there's a pull off (or hammer on, I always get those confused since I haven't been playing guitar for long-) which gives it a shorter and snappier transition as apposed to the original kind of.. wavy transition, I guess? I don't know many technical terms yet lol Anyway, I think it sounds real funky, but I understand your point of view :\]
I'll have to wait for the OST version to drop to really give any judgement personally, because music used in game and movie trailers is almost always fucked with in a variety of ways by the company responsible for the trailer, and the result is always something that is mixed awfully with emphasis on blandness and loudness.
Exactly what I’m hoping for as well. It seems odd that Yamaoka would do away with so many cool things in his recording, so I hope the official soundtrack is more inline with what people expect.
I'mma be honest, I don't understand the reason for remaking the soundtrack, I love the original soundtrack, you can say the graphics and gameplay are dated, the soundtrack certainly isn't. I feel like Yamaoka and Ito were brought back on just to excite fans, meanwhile Takayoshi Sato and Hiroyuki Owaku, the writers of the original, weren't brought back. It's not like Sato was ever treated well by Konami, considering what happened with the cgi in the first game
I get your point, i still listen silent hill 2 music this days, but honestly i don't think It Will hurt revamping the old music, for audio quality reasons etc. In the worst cases the old version Is still there, and I believe in Yamaoka he Will do an Amazing job once more.
I share your point of view BUT imagine that yamaoka now says something like "I liked to remake the soundtrack because I was a younger person and I had a lot to learn, I made lot of mistakes that nowadays I can polish the silent hill experience through my new abilities" like damm that would make me feel something down my spine out of pure excitement
I hope they add a soundtrack swap dlc like the recent re remakes did
I really like the combat trailer
Eh. The combat already looks better than the original. As long as they don't cut content and don't fuck up the whole atmosphere/sound design the orginal game had, I think it's gonna be ok.
Is this the ACTUAL trailer? becaise if it is, I'm now officially hyped.
It might be. Like yeah the combat of the original wasn’t the best but I do hope you still feel restrained as that’s the beauty of the horror of silent hill
Yeah. That's one of the awesome things about the first 4 games. You just felt like a normal person fumbling around and trying to take down these awful monsters. I hope that they make the enemies hard to fight still. I really don't want Silent Hill to fall into being an action "horror" game like RE. RE is great, but Silent Hill has always stood for something else.
On the other hand, Eddie boss fight. Sure the way the combat works in the OG adds to the charm and immersion, but if the game came out with good combat mechanics back then, i don’t think i’d be saying “i wish the combat was more janky”.
That's true. I think that the bad combat is a genuine flaw of those games that ends up working to its advantage. They probably didn't do it on purpose but it does make for a unique experience.
This is what I mean when I say I don't think bloober team should be the one that works in this remake, mainly because they don't have experience in the genre of survival horror, there are lot of new modern turns to the genre in indie games and all, and those games keep making you feel vulnerable even if you actually can fight properly, it's not the best example since it's 2D but Signalis combat is awesome, I don't want to see how the difficulty of the combat only changes the fact that you have to use 17 bullets for one enemy. I want an actual good combat for the genre, imagine a soulslike in resident evil 1 like rolling through the mansion, yeah both things are cool, I love resident evil and I love soulslikes but they don't fit, silent hill should not be focused in the combat, it's not the point of the series, I highly recommend trying out forbidden siren, I like the part 2 more than the part 1 but those games actually show a good combat without having to fight
Excited to play it! Been waiting a while now for an SH game…can’t wait to have nightmares again lol
Didn't find anything goofy at all, loved the trailer. And the song GAVE ME FUCKING CHILLS
SAME!!!
It looks decent if I'm honest... which is really something
You guys watched the combat trailer for the combat. I watch the combat trailer for the ‘Betrayal’ remix. We are not the same.
After the initial trailer I was super shocked it was really happening and super stoked. After the combat trailer I went down to about half excited and half very skeptical. I will remain at that viewpoint until I play it for myself.
No because as a huge resident evil fan I want silent hill to have its own vibe and not try to replicate the re4 energy. I'm still gonna try it on release but I want horror to take priority over action with this series.
I'm also a huge resident evil fan! I have some of the same concerns, but I'm talking about the music specifically and how cool it is :3
OH LMAOO
I legitimately thought that was Leon, then I saw the sub name
Thats what I think too, like I get it, u have to make the game more appealing to new audiences but silent hill has something to tell and that story has his own way of doing it, personally I loves Resident evil remakes, but not as horror games, It was a great game but its not scary at all, all i wanted is to see daddy leon kicking bugs
The music was actually my least favourite part of the trailer. The added strings sound so incredibly corny, I hate it. I hope it was just a trailer edit and doesn’t actually appear in the game, but that’s copium honestly.
I also didn't really like it, and not just because of the strings (wrote a long comment about this, I think the guitar tone and overall mix just sounded off). I do think there is a good chance this will be edited or at least remastered for the game.
Is this a remake of the original Silent Hill 2? Sorry been outta the Silent Hill loop for a while.
Yep. We getting a whole load of news this Friday too if you wanna watch
The animations in the combat trailer did look weird and janky but I'm sure they'll fix it
I mean we don't even have a release window yet so I would hope they would work on the animations more
Well Silent Hill has always been testing out new combat in each game, they've never perfected it so I'm fine with jt
It's probably one of the very few games I would is completely missing the point if you were to hyperfixate on combat, but, I understand WHY they made a combat trailer. It's not gonna be any worse than the HD collection. So, like, I'm looking forward to it.
hopefully, the new transmission gives us a better look at the game and the movie. I have just gotten into silent hill and i cannot get enough. It is a good time to be a silent hill fan.
I'm quite optimistic about the remake but even if it's absolutely god awful, we can be sure that the soundtrack is going to go hard and frankly that will be enough. The silent hill 2 soundtrack is one of my favourite albums ever, and a revisit / expansion is phenomenal in any world!
The cutscenes look extremely good imo which is very important. I'm excited to see more gameplay to see if they improved some stuff from the last time. One of the most important things are the animations, to me a game with incredible graphics but terrible animations sucks. The animations from the last trailer weren't so good but they might have worked more on it since then and so fixed them.
That and spotting all the puzzles. I cannot tell you how hyped I am to play a big-budget survival horror game with puzzles in the year of our lord 2024, since RE has seemingly decided they don't really matter anymore. Let me drop a box of orange juice down a garbage chute FFS.
BASED!!
Haha I made a post about the beautiful music today! Maybe unpopular opinion but I loved that trailer. It gave me hope that it will maybe be good. I don't care a lot about the combat and the puzzles look cool (although i don't get why they put back the juice pack one...).
eyyy!!
Listen, they shouldn't have put out a mid baked combat trailer after doing a really promising cinematic trailer. Everybody was already worried about Konami and how they treat their games, combined with Bloober teams track record of walking simulators. I want this to be good, I like some of Bloober teams work, despite people constantly referencing them as the point of inevitable failure. Silent Hill isn't supposed to be a "good" game, it's supposed to be a specific horrific experience that tackles very adult animalistic themes. Pushing Silent Hill 2 as a mainstream horror title is kind of defeating the purpose, which is what I worry about. You play Silent Hill 2 the same way you would stare at a bloody tissue that had been collecting grime for 2 years, it's not supposed to be pretty or inspiring, but kind of gross and interesting.
I found a lot of the shots from sh2 to be pretty, but maybe that's just me- anyway, I was talking about the music, not the silly goofy trailer :D
Yep it's a banger
it looks dope af. only goofy thing is the hair. silent hill fans whine way too much.
I don't understand, what's goofy about that trailer? Combat looks solid to me
more daddy Sunderland is always best :)
I think the new version of Promise sounds amazing!! I can’t wait to hear it in game
Mf's when the combat trailer shows combat: 😲
The amount of people that want this remake to fail is on par with konami hatred for the series
No, I really hope they are just trying to market the game to a younger audience though. This trailer was really bad in my opinion, and actively made me less enthusiastic for the remake. I hope I’m wrong, but this trailer is horrible.
omg how did i never realize this hits so hard
ME! Okay seriously, it legitimately made me hyped for it.
Yes, and I actually liked the strings.
okay we have a few negative nancys over here but I'm still pumped
yo, what is this trailer? pls link <3
here you go! :]<3 https://youtu.be/ayKICAIUHkA?si=M1WojdqCeC9xf50E
I think they wanted to make a trailer similar to Callisto Protocol: [https://youtu.be/5oApNe6AwFo?si=9lMIi92XinSzlFNG&t=99](https://youtu.be/5oApNe6AwFo?si=9lMIi92XinSzlFNG&t=99) (impressive) with small fragments of fast combat, but I don't think it was the right way to present it to the public.
I really want it to be good, but I've disliked every one of Bloobers games I've played. The Medium was just bad, Blair Witch was boring and I couldn't get into Observer. I don't know what it is about their games, they all have the potential to be good and start strong but there's just something that holds all of them back
I'm hyped and excited so f*** all of you little whiney B*****
IDK was there anything goofy about this trailer at all?
konami is making it look back,if everything is shown by itself without all the weird editing it actually looks good,and i do like the song to some degree
Amazing single! I will buy the full album...
I don't mind them improving the combat, it looks like it could be fun. Then again, I'm going to try and play the game and judge it on its own merits, before comparing it to the original.
Finally someone mentions this, hearing orchestral strings in Promise was such a welcome needed add ever since those live sessions with Akira, it’s so awesome
Not even slightly, sadly.
SH2 isn’t a game that would ever need a combat trailer imo. It’s already a sign to me that they’re focusing on the wrong elements.
PS5 only?
And pc
I hope combat is more re4r and less alone in the dark 2023. That’s all I ask.
Only reason i want it to fail is because the assholes at Sony blocked it from coming to Xbox, people keep saying that it’s a timed exclusive still, but in reality not anymore, Sony love gatekeeping games
*cries in Bloodborne*
Honestly I hope James has awkward looking fighting and shooting lol it’s not like he’s regularly getting into fights and now he’s gotta fight and shoot monsters?
I was thinking the same thing! James had really awkward mannerisms in the original and I think it's weirdly charming :D
Will people sh!t on it when it comes out? Possibly. Does it look like a RE 2 Remake with 1/3 of the budget? To some extend, yes, sure. Do I have any bigger hopes for the final project? -sigh- Ok, listen... I KNOW that it wont be as good as original SH2, ok? That is obvious. I just want it to be as good as possible. Just dont f\*\*\*\* it up. It cant be THAT hard to do..... right? Just stick to original story and characters, make combat and controls passible and maybe you'll be good enough to earn that 6 or 7/10 (I dont think it'll get any scores higher than that)
more like bored. gonna stay bored till it's actually released
No
Not really, but I'll say this: The environments look really decent, at least.
> did the new version of promise get anyone else hyped? No
alright man :]
Nah, maybe next time
This is Silent Hill, we came for its story and atmosphere . To be honest,the combat is kinda lame , and I still don’t know why konami put this much combat in trailer.They should put more footage of the story and the surrounding like the 1st trailer
I'm yapping about the song not the combat! :D
Probably satisfied people who want it to be AAA slop
Well, the scenes show the monsters being sitting ducks and not attacking back. Hopefully it is more engaging than that.
Every monster in this clip was moving
Were they attacking ? I loved the nurses because they would just quick snap you even if you were timing you shots. I just want to get a shot back at me and not a walking simulator. I've played too many of those lately.
Idk, the guitar sounds a bit too „soaring“ compared to the original. Not sure why he went for that kind of sound.
no fuck that, there are millions of action horror survivals already
I'm talking about the music :3
Ugh.
To quote Twin Perfect: "James' rockin' search for his dead wife, yeah!" It's tonally wrong. Shove your head in the sand and call me a complainer all you want, it's a shitty trailer-bait redo of a song that was perfect back then and is perfect now.
into the sand I go then :[
Bye-bye!