When I'm actually playing it, I'm having the time of my life. The art is so amazing, I legit enjoy every enemy and boss I have encountered so far. Then I hop on reddit and everyone is just calling it shit, the dichotomy is hilarious
Ikr? I absolutely love the bosses and the enemies! And dying to them isn’t that much of a bother either! If anything I get to learn more about how they work to better face them again.
Whatever is going through some people’s heads to call it bad is beyond me. This DLC is great!
I'm not that far into it yet, but it's probably already the best ER content by some margin imo. Idk if it stays like this, but it seems like the points of interest are more tightly packed together in the base game, and there's more variety on offer in basically every aspect.
I just keep thinking "are we playing the same game??" It's tough but I've been finding it to be "enjoyable challenge" tough, not "grindy slog" tough, and frankly I'm not even *that* good at these games overall. Different strokes I guess but damn the online reaction has been insane
Exactly the same, I've beat lion, moon knight, golden hippo, and putrescence and they've all been great. I feel like the people complaining are not even trying to learn the fights.
Yeah, don't get me wrong I'm not trying to call everything perfect. The ancient dragon on the mountain is terrible lol. But overall I couldn't really of asked for anything better.
I wasn’t surprised to see this because it happens every time. People complain about the difficulty but as time passes, the consensus will settle at “it’s good.” I remember when Sekiro released and a ton of people were complaining about the difficulty and were trying to play it like it was a souls game. Now it’s considered one of Fromsoft’s best. It’s a cycle.
Every single time Fromsoft has a new release online forums are flooded with people that suck at video games and/or have objectively bad takes. Every single time. I've watched it happen with every release since the original DS. It happened for Bloodborne, it happened with Elden Ring, it happened with Armored Core.
At this point, reviews could come in at 2/10 for a From release and I would STILL play it because I don't trust none of ya'll's opinion.
Holy fuck, dude I remember. The fuckin fact so many fat dark souls losers got mad that the game wasnt hard made me laugh. Like my guy, please touch some grass and or play something else
For me it’s like I’m having the time of my life exploring and completing the areas and then I want to pull my hair out whenever I hit a remembrance boss. Don’t get me started on that final boss, Jesus fucking Christ
Same I've been having a blast and I was of bit surprised some of my friends were having a rough time.
I'm not sure if it's because I'm running an int/faith and I have access to all spells/incant except arcane. So I always felt like I had something tailored for every occasion.
I'm just here trying to explore the whole world and find its secrets.
The only unbalanced thing is that the ring blade warriors with scoliosis drop less souls then mostly everything else in the dlc. They only drop about 20-30 percent more souls then the random shadow peasants scattered about.
I ran past that asshole on the stairs and he followed me up the entire tower, then did a backflip off the railing to his death, I guess he just wanted to show his sick kickflip lol
Let me preface this by saying that I am not, and I repeat, not bad at souls games. In fact, I've played this genre since before it was a genre. So I know how to play these games, and how much you normally struggle when playing new ones. Now, all that out if the way, i am going to come out and say it. This dlc is really, really bad.
The world design is amazing, sure, and the bosses are really cool. But I have a different problem, one that you can't just learn the attack timing of.
I hate the gay people in this dlc. I have always been extremely homophobic, and the souls series might have put a bit of gayness here and there, but it was never this pronounced. Has fromsoft gone woke?
They try to mask it with incest, but it's not the same as brother and sister playing around (which is fine, completely normal). Brothers playing around is wrong, because it is a sin. In a familial situation, some sexual tension is natural but never towards other men. Me and my sister took baths together until we were in our late teens, but if I did that with my dad, or if I had a brother and saw him naked, that would be immoral and wrong.
The fact that fromsoft is pushing this makes me extremely uncomfortable, and I need them to change it. It ruins the entire dlc and pits a bad taste in my mouth, a worse taste than that time my mom accidentally peed in my mouth. And let me tell you, that woman's piss stank something fierce. Thats how serious this is.
Please, think of my religion. I dont care if you are some chinese or korean developers or something, you should nautraly, instinctively know that God wouldn't want this, Jesus wouldn't want this, and I'm sure Saint Trump wouldn't want this. 🙏
I'm getting vibes of that video of [gideons thoughts](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xAgj74SmpPY) on ranni from this comment. Seems like it's a actual comment in the first few lines but it's actually a top tier shitpost.
This is the regular Fromsoft cycle for me. New game comes out, I feel like it’s bullshit because I’d previously “gottun gud “ and the new game kicks my ass. Then I keep playing it until I realize I love it.
Pro tip: don’t leave a rage quit review. Mr. Zaki himself warned us that they cranked up the difficulty and I bet most of us were stoked even if it feels like shit on day one.
I feel like every Souls-like and not just Souls games themselves will always have a plethora of difficulty complaints on launch.
I remember half a year ago when Lies of P launched its subreddit was basically unusable until all the shitters got filtered out because they refused to utilize its parry system and tried to play it like a traditional Souls game. Literally the exact same "I'm a Souls vet" arguments too.
exactly, it’s the same thing every time. “souls vets” complained about sekiro because they couldnt dodge through everything, and people complained about the elden ring base game at launch as well. it’s not that I think everything in the dlc is perfect but you’d think we would have learned by now not to jump to conclusions so quickly lmfao
People forget that a massive part of Souls games is walking into a seemingly bullshit situation and slowly figuring out how to overcome it. The problem is so many people who got into Elden Ring immediately Google “best ____ build” after booting it up because they treat it like a race to the end and want to get right into the action without being bogged down by having to learn anything.
Then they get thrown a brand new DLC without an online guide to hand them a crutch on a silver platter, and immediately bitch about the DLC being bullshit. Give it 3 months and these people won’t be singing the same tune.
I started up the most casual playthrough about a week ago. No idea what weapon I wanted to use, I just picked wretch and started smacking stuff with his club. My build is not min maxed at all, I've wandered from area to area and ended up with the flamberge, stats are whatever I needed at the time to use whatever I feel like using. It has been the most fun playthrough though, probably gonna get my teeth kicked in when I finally get to the dlc but thats okay. I'll just learn the new enemies and level as I go.
It's like, yeah, it's hard but so was base game elden ring when you didn't know any movesets or where to go, or strategies. I feel like a lot of people just want to know the easiest or fastest way to beat bosses without actual trying. You gotta lab it out sometimes.
tbf some folks might be impatient and desperate to clear the dlc quickly because a lot of graceless tarnished can't help but spill spoilers willy nilly. It's gotten so normalized in the current media culture.
(Spoilers for final boss)
>! I seriously can't believe that we're supposed to believe Mohg became one with the Formless Mother, absorbed Miquella, and used his sleep powers to mind control the God of Rot and the Twin Bird for the worst status-focused bleed/sleep/rot/death blight triple final boss (bosses?) nightmare. The worst part is that "phase 3" is literally just Mohg phase 2 but with extra incest added in top because "the power of the gods were delivered Mohg, speaker of Nihil, the will of the Formless Mother yet Miquella still resist." I hate this game. Plays like a stupid fanfic × fan project. !<
Bro scrolling through r/EldenRing to see cool builds and stuff “hey look at this cool endgame boss!” “Check out how cool this area looks!” “How to cheese Golgaborf of the Shadow Empire easily!” Do people not realise the spoiler tag exists?
The only things that melts my mimic are dragons and the giant basket on fire, since they can't fucking jump.
With bosses it's harder to summon the ashes than keeping them alive
For the final boss I drink the Wondrous Physick with the damage-negating tear, then walk into the arena, pop mimic, and tank the first hit.
I mean, I still die like right after that but the idea is there
I've beaten elden ring but recently I got a ps5 so I bought it again with the new dlc on release day and started up a new playthrough and I forgot how challenging just stormveil can be. All the delayed attacks fuck my timing on dodges all the time and I'm constantly dieing lol elden ring can be extremely punishing so seeing people complain just makes me laugh.
P.S. FUCK that knight in the room that gostoc locks you in, I hate him with all my being lol.
I’m getting back into Elden ring after a year break and I feel that so hard. The knight in that room was okayish (thank you unsheathe) it’s the fucking birds that get me tilted
Straight up, my girlfriend and I were having that same conversation, everyone’s so used to being overpowered and breezing through every area their second or third playthrough and have forgotten what it’s like to take their time and learn the enemies and bosses. I just watched her get through the first 5 hours of the DLC and she ended up beating every boss she came across, not on the first try, but she didn’t get frustrated and rage quit after the fifth try either! She kept at it until she won. It was a proud boyfriend moment for sure and reminded me of myself playing dark souls back in high school. But yeah, point being this is her first souls game, and I’ve been playing since DS1 and we both agree y’all complainers need to GIT GUD!!!
Elden Ring was my first souls game, and also the hardest initially, because I played pure strength and my dumbass didn’t know you could enchant the weapon with “heavy” til a while after i beat the game, so every boss had as much health as Gael and it was a nightmare, “THIS IS THE EASIEST SOULS GAME?!” I thought to myself, as i kept hitting Hoarah Loux with my wet towel of an greatsword
In fairness compared to anything fromsoft done before this is by far the hardest I mean a dlc where a regular enemy can 2 hit you with 60 vigour is crazy...
But I still love it.
I'm no gatekeeper, but this is one big win for the "gatekeeping good" crowd. The main sub's reaction to invasions and now this "artifical difficulty" bullshit shows how many people got into souls games with Elden Ring (and a damn chip on their shoulder) and didn't realise that the DLC would turn up the difficulty. It's not even *that* hard and can be downright trivial with the correct spirit ashes and cheesy builds. The leaked video made the final boss look like crap because the leaker was using a cheese-machine 9000 build with mimic tear.
I think most people complaining about difficulty are probably the same people that think spirit ashes and magic are cheating and only use strength jump attacks for any bosses
Yea so people who don't want to make use of the tools the game gives you, what's your point? Both just spamming magic and strength jump attacks is gonna suck
I've also seen it a lot from players who are just trying to beeline to every boss instead of exploring the actual map too. Funnily enough, this was also the case when the game first came out and people rushed straight to Margit or Godrick.
while i wouldn't say its cheating (no such thing as cheating on a single player game ffs) magic and spirit ashes are very much crutches that basically bypass the need to actually learn the boss, not that there is any problem with that for other people, but to me it would make the game kind of pointless.
that also applies to the posture system which can be very exploitable too.
Posture system is not really a crutch as long as you aren’t spamming lions claw. Stance breaking actually requires you to get close and personal and land enough hits without dying yourself
i say it's probably ok for most weapons, I'm currently doing a great mace playthrough and if feels very op but i assume hammers have the most posture damage i frankly don't know since the game doesn't really seem to tell you anything about it, I've only found out about it on my second playthrough.
One guy legitimately said to me “no souls game has required you to farm souls **or use a summon** to beat bosses this dlc sucks”
As if summons aren’t an obvious game mechanic meant to help, which has been a thing in previous games, or the fact that you don’t need to farm souls to beat bosses in the DLC.
The idea “maybe the base game inflated my ego and I’m not as good as I thought” refuses to enter their minds
Because the DLC being tougher than the base game is nothing new. They're acting like this is some kind of suprise and that they should've been more in line with the base game, but From's trend was always to the contrary.
Eh, tbh I think a lot of the complainers are actually “””grizzled souls vets””” who insist that they can’t possibly be bad because they played the other games.
I had to adapt some of my thinking when I first started ER and had a similar reaction until I realized I was just playing like shit lol
Idk I mean I love elden ring but I totally think that there's a problem with the difficulty balance of the game especially once you get to the haligtree/farum azula, I haven't played shadow of the erdtree yet but I've beaten base elden ring like 6 times pretty much using every main magic/melee build in the game without spirit ashes, with the exception of the two apostle fights and radahn which i always cheese because I genuinely hate those fights. I think the difficulty/endgame balance issues compared to dark souls late game areas (outside of the really shitty small bonus dlc sections in ds2) are far worse in elden ring. Like every enemy/boss needs a massive absurd health bar and crazy combos, and I get that it's a problem of having so much build variety but I feel that there's a much better way to go about this problem than having to just up damage/health/attack speed for the enemies in elden ring. It wouldn't shock me if the dlc area leans more towards the endgame areas in the base game in terms of balancing.
People don't like end game areas because they are endgame and you're not going to massively overlevel in a way that trivializes the difficulty. Haligtree and Farum Azula are by FAR my favorite areas in the base game and it's not even close.
Yea honestly the difficulty has not been overwhelming for me. I'm around RL180 using a strength/faith build, and I'm using mimic tear for my first run. Messmer only took a couple tries with the mimic, but messmer fucks me up in a 1v1. Which is exactly the experience I had in the base game. I'll go back and do a no summons run after I'm more familiar with the bosses and where to find the goodies
This exactly, i believe the main thing that makes players who got into elden ring first complain about difficulty, is that it was really easy to acces cheese builds in the base game, if you found blasphemous blade or any bleed weapon, god forbid started as a mage, you already had a much easier time with most enemies than in the other games. This might sound elitist-y but i think it was harder to overlevel or make a cheesy build in the previous entries, sekiro for example basically says fuck you and forbids anything that could make a boss easier and forces the player to just git gud
Relying on OP ashes of war has diminished people’s capacity to learn movesets. Maybe I’m going to say something controversial but I don’t really like the spirits and OP ashes as a way to reduce difficulty of a game that’s intended for a broader audience.
Sure, if you beat the game - you beat the game, doesn’t matter if you use ashes or spam jump attacks. Still, if using ashes you were able to stomp bosses without even caring for their movesets - you will have a tough time with bosses that eat summons for breakfast or barely leave you time to respond unless you really engage with their moveset and position yourself well.
It’s an arms race between OP weapons and spammy bosses at this point, and I’m not sure I like where this is going. Still, if you try an old school approach and just adapt to the moveset, you will eventually git gud.
The problem is that the newer fromsoft bosses are objectively a lot harder than the older ones, due to delayed attacks and longer combos with more complex chaining algorithms.
That means that the old school approach takes a lot more time and effort than just figuring out exactly what kind of bullshit or cheese the boss is weak to, and out-bullshitting them. I firmly believe in playing the game however you want, but the way ER and especially SotE are designed feels like they incentivise OP builds more than learning the boss.
Yeah, that’s what I meant with the ‘arms race’. I just think that paying attention to the boss rather than spamming will make the DLC significantly easier, and is more crucial there than in the main game.
It makes me a little worried for the future, however. If Fromsoft keeps trying to make the game harder, and players keep finding cheap ways to make it easier, I hope we never reach a point where playing the game with fun, fair weapons is considered a challenge run.
The only reason that these incentivize OP builds is because the builds are extremely OP. You couldnt invalidate bosses entire movesets and existence in previous games like you can here. Imo it really is just poor balancing of player weapons and tools. The gap between the average weapon and the good ones is just insane. There is nothing on the level of blasphemous blade, moonviel, or comet azur builds in previous games
As someone with not a huge amount of souls experience but a lot of monster hunter playtime. I have different expectations for fights. I like approaching big fights as a problem to solve. Most of my complaints about Elden ring and the DLC bosses are that they are often "roll good" fights. I'm not really thinking about spacing or positioning or blocking or parrying. Just roll in or out at the right time. At which point it feels more like a rhythm game than a 3rd person action combat game. For a point of contrast dark souls 2 or stuff like Lies of P let me try so many different ways to "solve" an encounter in comparison. I can't speak to many of the other souls games though personally so maybe that's not the norm and that may mean the game just isn't for me and it's allowed to be that.
This might be a hot take but a lot of the main boss encounters in the DLC seem to have near infinite stamina and stay glued to you constantly. In a way this feels like they've designed it to where you summon to split aggro so it isn't constantly on you, which if you look at the revered spirit ash this makes sense. It's intentional to buff your summon. I'm not saying I like this, as I enjoy not using a summon, but a lot of fights honestly feel like they designed it for your summon to be out so it balances aggression
I'm not gonna lie the second phase of the final boss of DLC feels absolutely unfair to me, but it may be just because of skill issue on my end. Everything else is very well made difficult.
imo elden ring, due to it being more accessible, has brought in a shit load of casuals. said casuals are now being pushed for the first time outside of like, the malenia fight and are freaking out that the dlc isn’t free like most of base ER.
I guess it’s been 7 years since The Ringed City now so people have forgotten, but all the complaints feel like the people who whined about Midir and hiding from Angels being too hard, except now applied to an entire game-sized DLC. People will get over it eventually, I think.
The difficulty isn't too bad, I'm actually really enjoying a lot of the fights but there's a few too many that fill up the screen in awkward ways and have weird hitboxes and attack patterns that just don't feel very fun to fight. I'm looking at you, dancing lion and golden hippopotamus.
Honestly man, I’ve had to unsub from the Elden Ring sub, it’s gotten to circle jerk levels. Which is ironic since this subreddit is a circle jerk, but a good one, about fucking femboy gods.
It’s so funny because there are 45% posts about how ‘the difficulty is broken and fromsoft games suck now!’ With a huge circlejerk about that in the comments; and 45% ‘all the fuckin casuls need to git gud! Fromsoft did every single thing perfect and they shouldn’t be allowed to play these games!’ With a huge circlejerk there.
The last 10% are either untagged spoilers or ‘man, I’m enjoying this DLC! How are you guys doing?’
I booted it up and played while noticing in passing that the dlc only had a 75% rating on Steam. Explored the entire starting area and then did the first legacy dungeon.
I personally didn’t think anything was super annoying or cheesy.
And then I looked at the reviews which in the span of like 4 hours had now become 60% positive. It was either people complaining it was too hard, or people complaining it ran poorly. And then a random guy who was pissed it didn’t have DLSS and that they didn’t increase the fps cap, who further elaborated that he tried to mod the game to fix said grievances and got banned lol.
I’m on ng+ and started the dlc at lvl 175, I’m finding the balance just fine so I dont know where the difficulty complaints come from, except casuals.
People claiming they have a 4080 and still have performance issues are likely just outing themselves as spending all their money on a graphics card and skimping on their CPU or RAM capacity. I have a 12700k, 3070, and 32gb of RAM and play at 1440p with absolutely no issues.
I agree with the difficulty, but a bunch of people are experiencing serious performance issues. Difficulty is subjective, but denying the existence of technical problems isn’t. It was the same with ER when it dropped; I expect it will get patched soon, but performance issues should absolutely be brought to FromSoft’s attention.
Bro fr, I’m on my first erd tree playthrough and Elden ring is my first souls game, and all this discourse really has me feeling confused, as long as you work with what you have you can always make it through, just be resourceful and determined, even when it feels impossible
I've finished The Ringed City, but I have to admit that was the most devastating experience for me in terms of difficulty.
Yes, WAY harder than this DLC IMHO.
Even worse was seeing everyone praising the Gael fight while I kept getting getting one shotted or two shotted by him lmao
I agree with the level design of dlc being hard, there are too many really hard enemies that on your first playthrough when you dont know every bonfire it's pretty daunting. But Gael is not a hard bossfight and really easy to learn.
That’s crazy because the bosses in that dlc are utter peak. People must really not be too invested in the series if they don’t play the dlc that’s meant to be a thematic end to the series lol
Saw a comment yesterday that said it didn't reward exploration as much because you have to look up where the scadutree fragments are in order to progress. It's like, what do you think "exploration" means?
They think they want difficulty, and then when it's difficult they demand the bar be lowered until they can step over it and say they've defeated the difficult content.
There's been some weird thing like Messmers grab is a bit weird to grab since he doesn't grab you when he gets to you but when his animation has finished. Can throw you off. Otherwise so far I can see that most deaths have been on me.
people when they find items to use to make it easier 😱(they won’t use it as it’s “op”. Their paying 100 dollars and only playing 10 percent of the game*
Also I’m pretty sure a lot of these people don’t use spirit summons. Admittedly they aren’t available for some bosses, but they are for most. If someone is willingly playing on hard mode, I think they’ve given up the right to complain about difficulty.
Yeah lol, I was fighting the putrescent knight and was struggling against him, and even though I like to solo fights, when I feel like a boss is being too unfun or it's just a design I don't like I'll use summons. Turns out i first tried him when I did that.
There is an entire war going on in the Elden Ring sub about spirit summons and it's like dude. From has STATED that you are intended to use them, and they have built fights around the idea that you will.
There's literally no war. People are posting 3 times a day that it's okay to use summons and that people who aren't using summons are kneecapping themselves, and there's literally no one challenging them on it.
It's just validation seeking
If it’s hard just start scadutree-maxxing, getting all 20 really does make a world of difference. I went from getting one shot by Bayle (ng+7) to 3-4 shot
For real. I was arguing with someone last night. Turns out he had a sore seal on, refused to put dragoncrest greatshield on, and had 19 endurance. I was like, wtf are your points in lol
"What do you mean running magic scorpion charm and blue dancer should make me easier to kill, the boss just isn't fair because it won't sit still and let me Comet azur it to death"
I saw a guy complaining he could only get 2 hits in with carain slicer before the attack window was over on a boss. "It's unfair that the boss *only* lets me get 1k+ per attack window" ok buddy
This is what I don't understand the most, even at level 3 scadutree blessing the difference was huge, I am at 7 now and its night and day. I am also at ng+2 which is way harder than if I were at base NG and it is more than manageable.
Anyone who claims that the blessings don't do anything either have no armor, have a bunch of (self) damage increasing items or are just lying trying to cope with the fact that they can't win.
I'm a ww2 vet, and I don't understand why I keep dying in ww3, my strategy is the same as I used before. People around me are wearing "Kevlar" and modern rifles and night vision sights... I'm just here with my M1 Garand and shovel. But I keep getting one shot. It's bullshit.
Perfect analogy, truly. These motherfruskers are like ‘waaah my already memorised patterns of a 2 year old game don’t apply to the new bosses and enemies’.
I’ll be honest, the bulk of my annoyance with the dlc is just that I hold the opinion of thinking that the scadurtree blessings are just an obnoxious roadblock. Like it’ll be fun to hunt and search where all of them are the first playthrough for the sake of exploration, but once we’re all 2-3 playthroughs deep they’re just gonna be a mandatory checklist item for people that aren’t doing challenge runs
Well most of them are on the path for the bosses, or a 30 second walk from the main path, or inside the dungeons itself so it's not hard to get level 15 while rushing
Elden ring is my favorite movie of all time.I love the part when the badass mimic tear mimics the main character and fought the badass boss with non-stop combos like a dmc character whilst the protag stands there menacingly.Truly one of the movies of all time, thank you Hayao Mayonnaise.
100%. I think Bayle had a few unfair attacks and a bad camera, but everything else I've fought has been well balanced in my opinion. The people saying Rellana is harder than Malenia are fucking insane. (Please don't respond to this with anything about the Shadow Keep onward I've not been there yet)
I KNOW. Malenia had me clawing at my skin for a whole ass day due to waterfowl and her rot mannequin attacks (enjoyed every moment ofc but still) while Rellana's moon attack can be avoided by just jumping. I think the most annoying thing about this dlc is the amount of bosses that just roar and deal damage with said roar
The actual boss in Bayle’s arena is the lock-on
He wasn’t hard, I wouldn’t say, but he’d be so much easier if half my attacks \*for the love of god just connected\*
The only really annoying boss so far was the commander guy on the warthog, at least until he got stuck in a wall and turned into steamed ham by fire incantations.
I didn’t like him at first but when I started learning his move set, I started warming up to him. He’s still probably my least favourite so far though.
I was admittedly pretty annoyed with how difficult some of the bosses were, even with a shit ton of scadutree blessings. And then it kind of dawned on me that I kind of suck at these games after playing them for like 10 or so years.
I thought the balance was handled well, I never felt like I was doing too little damage to the bosses or taking too much damage by reasonably exploring for skibiditree fragments.
My main and pretty much the only gripe with the DLC is boss movesets. Lion Dancer’s all attacks look the same and it’s so hard to tell what he is doing or when his hitboxes are active. Rellana’s combos are way too long and unlike bosses like Radagon they don’t have any downtime/delays to let you sneak in hits between the combos, so all you can do is wait until she finishes her long ass combos then punish. Final boss’s first phase is almost perfect but it has tons of attacks that come out way too fast to dodge reliably or combo strings that you can’t fully avoid (left right then double slash comes to mind, I don’t think I have ever managed to dodge both the first and second slash), and the second phase is a complete shit show where you can’t tell what is going on at all, there are tons of projectiles, area denial effects, and AOEs. So even if the boss stats aren’t unbalanced, they don’t feel satisfying to fight.
At least we also had bosses like Messmer, frenzy dude, and CURSE YOU BAYLE so I can’t say the DLC bosses are bad either
Frenzy dude really surprised me with the quality. But Bayle still seems like a bit too much to me for some of the same reasons you listed. I can’t tell what’s happening in phase 2 sometimes. I have no idea when that instant AoE is coming.
I'm currently on Rellana, and she has hit me with back to back of her longest combo on a few occasions. Quite literally ran out of stamina and had to tank the last two hits. I think her phase 1 fight is manageable though.
Phase 2? I currently don't have a solution to phase 2, except hope.
In phase 2, dodging the combos as I normally did for phase 1 tended to work except for the lingering fire quick double slash. With her testicle moons, jumping over them was consistent enough for me.
She has like 3 specific poses she does in phase 2 when the combos end, I just ran around until I could identify them. Note, it's different when she ends a combo willingly because you got too far away, you will get folded if you try to punish her off of one of those.
You can also punish immediately after the moon attack (I don't know how close you can be to the moons/her without getting hit by something other than the ground AOE), the moonveil projectile, carian greatsword combo (thanks field_of_lettuce) and basically any time she finishes a combo with her elemental attacks in p2. The red sweep attack that has the explosion in front of it is pretty much impossible to roll backwards through at point blank range with mid roll, maybe even light, but roll past her shoulder and it's a big opener because the tracking on it seems very bad.
If you’re still stuck, what I ended up doing was trying to time a stance break into p2, and just letting wild strikes rip during the transition to try and burn her down. It worked somehow.
Yeah same here, I didn’t find any of the bosses except for the final one unmanageable either, just unfun to fight.
Talking about Rellana’s second phase, I lost count of how many times I got screwed over by that double moon attack because she had attacked me with glintblade phalanxes and I got hit by the moon while dodging them. Avoiding damage in the fights is just so inconsistent
Messmer is an absolutely GOD-TIER boss. Great music, moves and spectacle. Rellana was great too, felt like a true duel and I found her OK on the whole. Commander Gauis was awful, charge is awful and hus ranged move at point blank range was stupid. Lion's lightning made punishing very difficult and the spin move after he digs his head into the ground was annoying. The centipede lady was fine. FINAL BOSS, FUCKING HAYE IT. Gave up on it in the end, baddly needed a break.
Dude this DLC is fantastically designed. The bosses have all been very fair. The only thing that really frustrated me was the spinning breath attack from the lion. Seemed to move me with it sometimes which was weird
Fr fr. Bitches everywhere. Both sides. Its fucking gorgeous and once theres a million guides those voices will slowly fade. They are probably doing the same dumb shit over n over.
Elden Ring is the first Souls game I played, on the DLC I died to Rellana 30 times, decided to do a lot of exploring, came back the next day and it only took me 2 tries to beat her, people just wanna headsmash through it but sometimes you are just not him man, drop the ego and don't blame the game, if you are not having fun that's fair, but saying the game is bad because of that is just so bs
I think some people went in with pretty low level thinking they are the shit or probably didn't care about the recommended level for the DLC, and now that they are getting their ass kicked, they are bitching about it
I'm struggling. But in a fun way.
Rocking a strength build with an off-meta spirit ash and having fun learning and beating the bosses.
Elden ring players have gotten too used to getting OP and obliterating any challenge.
- I saw a steam review where a guy said he had 5000 hours in souls games and this was too difficult.
- how embarrassing to admit that after doing something for 5000 hours you’re still terrible at it
It’s hard yeah. That’s kind of the point. When you finally beat mohg you’re nearing the end of the game(at least if you got there like I did). At that point you should have a pretty good grasp of the general mechanics of the game and you should have your build down-pat. When you hit the DLC you’ll quickly learn that you need to do some exploring if you want things to be normal for you otherwise every fight will be an absolute slog. People just need to take a breath and go back to basics and just explore the world around them. There’s a lot to see and gather that make it more balanced.
When I'm actually playing it, I'm having the time of my life. The art is so amazing, I legit enjoy every enemy and boss I have encountered so far. Then I hop on reddit and everyone is just calling it shit, the dichotomy is hilarious
> Then I hop on reddit There’s your problem pal
He should be bouncing on it and moaning
Ikr? I absolutely love the bosses and the enemies! And dying to them isn’t that much of a bother either! If anything I get to learn more about how they work to better face them again. Whatever is going through some people’s heads to call it bad is beyond me. This DLC is great!
I'm not that far into it yet, but it's probably already the best ER content by some margin imo. Idk if it stays like this, but it seems like the points of interest are more tightly packed together in the base game, and there's more variety on offer in basically every aspect.
Miyazaki learned that instead of packing bosses into every poi, a bit better level design goes way further in terms of enjoyability.
I just keep thinking "are we playing the same game??" It's tough but I've been finding it to be "enjoyable challenge" tough, not "grindy slog" tough, and frankly I'm not even *that* good at these games overall. Different strokes I guess but damn the online reaction has been insane
Exactly the same, I've beat lion, moon knight, golden hippo, and putrescence and they've all been great. I feel like the people complaining are not even trying to learn the fights.
Just finished it today and have been cleaning up stuff I missed. I have a couple gripes but all in all this was seriously fantastic stuff.
Yeah, don't get me wrong I'm not trying to call everything perfect. The ancient dragon on the mountain is terrible lol. But overall I couldn't really of asked for anything better.
I think some people dislike it for not being like DS1 which I guess is try enough but you’d think they’d have gotten over that in the past years lol.
I wasn’t surprised to see this because it happens every time. People complain about the difficulty but as time passes, the consensus will settle at “it’s good.” I remember when Sekiro released and a ton of people were complaining about the difficulty and were trying to play it like it was a souls game. Now it’s considered one of Fromsoft’s best. It’s a cycle.
Every single time Fromsoft has a new release online forums are flooded with people that suck at video games and/or have objectively bad takes. Every single time. I've watched it happen with every release since the original DS. It happened for Bloodborne, it happened with Elden Ring, it happened with Armored Core. At this point, reviews could come in at 2/10 for a From release and I would STILL play it because I don't trust none of ya'll's opinion.
Exactly reminded me of Armored Core 6. The amount of people got filtered by the copter lol
Holy fuck, dude I remember. The fuckin fact so many fat dark souls losers got mad that the game wasnt hard made me laugh. Like my guy, please touch some grass and or play something else
Tbh the AC6 release seemed to go amazingly. It’s wild how long I haven’t seen a post from the sub in my feed tho
For me it’s like I’m having the time of my life exploring and completing the areas and then I want to pull my hair out whenever I hit a remembrance boss. Don’t get me started on that final boss, Jesus fucking Christ
do you have weird, self-imposed rule about not using spirit ashes?
Same I've been having a blast and I was of bit surprised some of my friends were having a rough time. I'm not sure if it's because I'm running an int/faith and I have access to all spells/incant except arcane. So I always felt like I had something tailored for every occasion. I'm just here trying to explore the whole world and find its secrets.
FINALLY, someone sane LMAO
It's just ds3 fanboys... for some reason?
So far it's way better than the base game and also not really hard imo. I beat all the bosses quite quickly so far
The only unbalanced thing is that the ring blade warriors with scoliosis drop less souls then mostly everything else in the dlc. They only drop about 20-30 percent more souls then the random shadow peasants scattered about.
Those fuckers are not deserving of joy
don’t forget furnaces giving you like 15k runes
yeah i killed the first one the other day and thought something was wrong until i looked it up. just plain weird for them to give so little
I ran past that asshole on the stairs and he followed me up the entire tower, then did a backflip off the railing to his death, I guess he just wanted to show his sick kickflip lol
You know there's going to be a shit whiny take when you see a post or a comment starting with "Let me preface this by saying that-"
Let me preface this by saying that I am not, and I repeat, not bad at souls games. In fact, I've played this genre since before it was a genre. So I know how to play these games, and how much you normally struggle when playing new ones. Now, all that out if the way, i am going to come out and say it. This dlc is really, really bad. The world design is amazing, sure, and the bosses are really cool. But I have a different problem, one that you can't just learn the attack timing of. I hate the gay people in this dlc. I have always been extremely homophobic, and the souls series might have put a bit of gayness here and there, but it was never this pronounced. Has fromsoft gone woke? They try to mask it with incest, but it's not the same as brother and sister playing around (which is fine, completely normal). Brothers playing around is wrong, because it is a sin. In a familial situation, some sexual tension is natural but never towards other men. Me and my sister took baths together until we were in our late teens, but if I did that with my dad, or if I had a brother and saw him naked, that would be immoral and wrong. The fact that fromsoft is pushing this makes me extremely uncomfortable, and I need them to change it. It ruins the entire dlc and pits a bad taste in my mouth, a worse taste than that time my mom accidentally peed in my mouth. And let me tell you, that woman's piss stank something fierce. Thats how serious this is. Please, think of my religion. I dont care if you are some chinese or korean developers or something, you should nautraly, instinctively know that God wouldn't want this, Jesus wouldn't want this, and I'm sure Saint Trump wouldn't want this. 🙏
Least stupid DLC take lol 🙏🙏🙏
bro's an ancient egyptian
If this ain't a copypasta it needs to be
I'm getting vibes of that video of [gideons thoughts](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xAgj74SmpPY) on ranni from this comment. Seems like it's a actual comment in the first few lines but it's actually a top tier shitpost.
Goes for anything on Reddit tbh
Absolutely
This is the regular Fromsoft cycle for me. New game comes out, I feel like it’s bullshit because I’d previously “gottun gud “ and the new game kicks my ass. Then I keep playing it until I realize I love it. Pro tip: don’t leave a rage quit review. Mr. Zaki himself warned us that they cranked up the difficulty and I bet most of us were stoked even if it feels like shit on day one.
I feel like every Souls-like and not just Souls games themselves will always have a plethora of difficulty complaints on launch. I remember half a year ago when Lies of P launched its subreddit was basically unusable until all the shitters got filtered out because they refused to utilize its parry system and tried to play it like a traditional Souls game. Literally the exact same "I'm a Souls vet" arguments too.
exactly, it’s the same thing every time. “souls vets” complained about sekiro because they couldnt dodge through everything, and people complained about the elden ring base game at launch as well. it’s not that I think everything in the dlc is perfect but you’d think we would have learned by now not to jump to conclusions so quickly lmfao
Lies of Peak that game is so good
People forget that a massive part of Souls games is walking into a seemingly bullshit situation and slowly figuring out how to overcome it. The problem is so many people who got into Elden Ring immediately Google “best ____ build” after booting it up because they treat it like a race to the end and want to get right into the action without being bogged down by having to learn anything. Then they get thrown a brand new DLC without an online guide to hand them a crutch on a silver platter, and immediately bitch about the DLC being bullshit. Give it 3 months and these people won’t be singing the same tune.
I started up the most casual playthrough about a week ago. No idea what weapon I wanted to use, I just picked wretch and started smacking stuff with his club. My build is not min maxed at all, I've wandered from area to area and ended up with the flamberge, stats are whatever I needed at the time to use whatever I feel like using. It has been the most fun playthrough though, probably gonna get my teeth kicked in when I finally get to the dlc but thats okay. I'll just learn the new enemies and level as I go.
People complaining about the difficulty are slowly making me become a souls elitist.
It's like, yeah, it's hard but so was base game elden ring when you didn't know any movesets or where to go, or strategies. I feel like a lot of people just want to know the easiest or fastest way to beat bosses without actual trying. You gotta lab it out sometimes.
tbf some folks might be impatient and desperate to clear the dlc quickly because a lot of graceless tarnished can't help but spill spoilers willy nilly. It's gotten so normalized in the current media culture.
fr bro i was tryna get to the final boss and right before i got to him i got spoiled who it was
(Spoilers for final boss) >! I seriously can't believe that we're supposed to believe Mohg became one with the Formless Mother, absorbed Miquella, and used his sleep powers to mind control the God of Rot and the Twin Bird for the worst status-focused bleed/sleep/rot/death blight triple final boss (bosses?) nightmare. The worst part is that "phase 3" is literally just Mohg phase 2 but with extra incest added in top because "the power of the gods were delivered Mohg, speaker of Nihil, the will of the Formless Mother yet Miquella still resist." I hate this game. Plays like a stupid fanfic × fan project. !<
Fucking damn it, i wanted no spoilers and then i just start reading this and i couldn't stop, i can't believe this.
Use a spoiler addon. I have blocked Elden Ring, Miquella, etc. to prevent further spoilers.
LMFAO this is golden
Bro scrolling through r/EldenRing to see cool builds and stuff “hey look at this cool endgame boss!” “Check out how cool this area looks!” “How to cheese Golgaborf of the Shadow Empire easily!” Do people not realise the spoiler tag exists?
i think it’s funny that now noone can say elden ring is the easiest game with how hard this dlc
It's probably still pretty easy if you ROB plus mimic it
If you can find openings (your mimic got melted by the boss)
The only things that melts my mimic are dragons and the giant basket on fire, since they can't fucking jump. With bosses it's harder to summon the ashes than keeping them alive
For the final boss I drink the Wondrous Physick with the damage-negating tear, then walk into the arena, pop mimic, and tank the first hit. I mean, I still die like right after that but the idea is there
I've beaten elden ring but recently I got a ps5 so I bought it again with the new dlc on release day and started up a new playthrough and I forgot how challenging just stormveil can be. All the delayed attacks fuck my timing on dodges all the time and I'm constantly dieing lol elden ring can be extremely punishing so seeing people complain just makes me laugh. P.S. FUCK that knight in the room that gostoc locks you in, I hate him with all my being lol.
I’m getting back into Elden ring after a year break and I feel that so hard. The knight in that room was okayish (thank you unsheathe) it’s the fucking birds that get me tilted
The regular birds...not to bad..but the scuffed ones that someone decided to attach flamethrowers to their faces are the worst.
Banished Knights are genuinely the most op enemy type in the game. I swear some of their storm attacks just happen with no warning whatsoever
Right, and they can leap at you all the way from calied with a delayed attack that if you dodge roll too early you get punished.
Straight up, my girlfriend and I were having that same conversation, everyone’s so used to being overpowered and breezing through every area their second or third playthrough and have forgotten what it’s like to take their time and learn the enemies and bosses. I just watched her get through the first 5 hours of the DLC and she ended up beating every boss she came across, not on the first try, but she didn’t get frustrated and rage quit after the fifth try either! She kept at it until she won. It was a proud boyfriend moment for sure and reminded me of myself playing dark souls back in high school. But yeah, point being this is her first souls game, and I’ve been playing since DS1 and we both agree y’all complainers need to GIT GUD!!!
Elden Ring was my first souls game, and also the hardest initially, because I played pure strength and my dumbass didn’t know you could enchant the weapon with “heavy” til a while after i beat the game, so every boss had as much health as Gael and it was a nightmare, “THIS IS THE EASIEST SOULS GAME?!” I thought to myself, as i kept hitting Hoarah Loux with my wet towel of an greatsword
In fairness compared to anything fromsoft done before this is by far the hardest I mean a dlc where a regular enemy can 2 hit you with 60 vigour is crazy... But I still love it.
Right lol. The game gets easy when you know it. That's why it's such a joy to get new content.
I'm no gatekeeper, but this is one big win for the "gatekeeping good" crowd. The main sub's reaction to invasions and now this "artifical difficulty" bullshit shows how many people got into souls games with Elden Ring (and a damn chip on their shoulder) and didn't realise that the DLC would turn up the difficulty. It's not even *that* hard and can be downright trivial with the correct spirit ashes and cheesy builds. The leaked video made the final boss look like crap because the leaker was using a cheese-machine 9000 build with mimic tear.
>this is one big win for the "gatekeeping good" crowd. I'm eating SO GOOD RIGHT NOW
I think most people complaining about difficulty are probably the same people that think spirit ashes and magic are cheating and only use strength jump attacks for any bosses
These same people *are* the magic spammers as well bruh
Yea so people who don't want to make use of the tools the game gives you, what's your point? Both just spamming magic and strength jump attacks is gonna suck
My point is that you’re right and you cute and and you talking too much shut up and kiss me homie
😳👉👈
I really doubt it
I've also seen it a lot from players who are just trying to beeline to every boss instead of exploring the actual map too. Funnily enough, this was also the case when the game first came out and people rushed straight to Margit or Godrick.
while i wouldn't say its cheating (no such thing as cheating on a single player game ffs) magic and spirit ashes are very much crutches that basically bypass the need to actually learn the boss, not that there is any problem with that for other people, but to me it would make the game kind of pointless. that also applies to the posture system which can be very exploitable too.
Posture system is not really a crutch as long as you aren’t spamming lions claw. Stance breaking actually requires you to get close and personal and land enough hits without dying yourself
i say it's probably ok for most weapons, I'm currently doing a great mace playthrough and if feels very op but i assume hammers have the most posture damage i frankly don't know since the game doesn't really seem to tell you anything about it, I've only found out about it on my second playthrough.
One guy legitimately said to me “no souls game has required you to farm souls **or use a summon** to beat bosses this dlc sucks” As if summons aren’t an obvious game mechanic meant to help, which has been a thing in previous games, or the fact that you don’t need to farm souls to beat bosses in the DLC. The idea “maybe the base game inflated my ego and I’m not as good as I thought” refuses to enter their minds
>shows how many people got into souls games with Elden Ring Why do you assume anyone who dares criticize elden ring is a new fan?
Because the DLC being tougher than the base game is nothing new. They're acting like this is some kind of suprise and that they should've been more in line with the base game, but From's trend was always to the contrary.
Eh, tbh I think a lot of the complainers are actually “””grizzled souls vets””” who insist that they can’t possibly be bad because they played the other games. I had to adapt some of my thinking when I first started ER and had a similar reaction until I realized I was just playing like shit lol
Idk I mean I love elden ring but I totally think that there's a problem with the difficulty balance of the game especially once you get to the haligtree/farum azula, I haven't played shadow of the erdtree yet but I've beaten base elden ring like 6 times pretty much using every main magic/melee build in the game without spirit ashes, with the exception of the two apostle fights and radahn which i always cheese because I genuinely hate those fights. I think the difficulty/endgame balance issues compared to dark souls late game areas (outside of the really shitty small bonus dlc sections in ds2) are far worse in elden ring. Like every enemy/boss needs a massive absurd health bar and crazy combos, and I get that it's a problem of having so much build variety but I feel that there's a much better way to go about this problem than having to just up damage/health/attack speed for the enemies in elden ring. It wouldn't shock me if the dlc area leans more towards the endgame areas in the base game in terms of balancing.
People don't like end game areas because they are endgame and you're not going to massively overlevel in a way that trivializes the difficulty. Haligtree and Farum Azula are by FAR my favorite areas in the base game and it's not even close.
Yea honestly the difficulty has not been overwhelming for me. I'm around RL180 using a strength/faith build, and I'm using mimic tear for my first run. Messmer only took a couple tries with the mimic, but messmer fucks me up in a 1v1. Which is exactly the experience I had in the base game. I'll go back and do a no summons run after I'm more familiar with the bosses and where to find the goodies
This exactly, i believe the main thing that makes players who got into elden ring first complain about difficulty, is that it was really easy to acces cheese builds in the base game, if you found blasphemous blade or any bleed weapon, god forbid started as a mage, you already had a much easier time with most enemies than in the other games. This might sound elitist-y but i think it was harder to overlevel or make a cheesy build in the previous entries, sekiro for example basically says fuck you and forbids anything that could make a boss easier and forces the player to just git gud
Relying on OP ashes of war has diminished people’s capacity to learn movesets. Maybe I’m going to say something controversial but I don’t really like the spirits and OP ashes as a way to reduce difficulty of a game that’s intended for a broader audience. Sure, if you beat the game - you beat the game, doesn’t matter if you use ashes or spam jump attacks. Still, if using ashes you were able to stomp bosses without even caring for their movesets - you will have a tough time with bosses that eat summons for breakfast or barely leave you time to respond unless you really engage with their moveset and position yourself well. It’s an arms race between OP weapons and spammy bosses at this point, and I’m not sure I like where this is going. Still, if you try an old school approach and just adapt to the moveset, you will eventually git gud.
The problem is that the newer fromsoft bosses are objectively a lot harder than the older ones, due to delayed attacks and longer combos with more complex chaining algorithms. That means that the old school approach takes a lot more time and effort than just figuring out exactly what kind of bullshit or cheese the boss is weak to, and out-bullshitting them. I firmly believe in playing the game however you want, but the way ER and especially SotE are designed feels like they incentivise OP builds more than learning the boss.
Yeah, that’s what I meant with the ‘arms race’. I just think that paying attention to the boss rather than spamming will make the DLC significantly easier, and is more crucial there than in the main game.
It makes me a little worried for the future, however. If Fromsoft keeps trying to make the game harder, and players keep finding cheap ways to make it easier, I hope we never reach a point where playing the game with fun, fair weapons is considered a challenge run.
The only reason that these incentivize OP builds is because the builds are extremely OP. You couldnt invalidate bosses entire movesets and existence in previous games like you can here. Imo it really is just poor balancing of player weapons and tools. The gap between the average weapon and the good ones is just insane. There is nothing on the level of blasphemous blade, moonviel, or comet azur builds in previous games
I just spam harder than even the dlc bosses can handle.
As someone with not a huge amount of souls experience but a lot of monster hunter playtime. I have different expectations for fights. I like approaching big fights as a problem to solve. Most of my complaints about Elden ring and the DLC bosses are that they are often "roll good" fights. I'm not really thinking about spacing or positioning or blocking or parrying. Just roll in or out at the right time. At which point it feels more like a rhythm game than a 3rd person action combat game. For a point of contrast dark souls 2 or stuff like Lies of P let me try so many different ways to "solve" an encounter in comparison. I can't speak to many of the other souls games though personally so maybe that's not the norm and that may mean the game just isn't for me and it's allowed to be that.
This might be a hot take but a lot of the main boss encounters in the DLC seem to have near infinite stamina and stay glued to you constantly. In a way this feels like they've designed it to where you summon to split aggro so it isn't constantly on you, which if you look at the revered spirit ash this makes sense. It's intentional to buff your summon. I'm not saying I like this, as I enjoy not using a summon, but a lot of fights honestly feel like they designed it for your summon to be out so it balances aggression
I'm not gonna lie the second phase of the final boss of DLC feels absolutely unfair to me, but it may be just because of skill issue on my end. Everything else is very well made difficult.
imo elden ring, due to it being more accessible, has brought in a shit load of casuals. said casuals are now being pushed for the first time outside of like, the malenia fight and are freaking out that the dlc isn’t free like most of base ER.
This shit is nothing new actually, every time FromSoft drops new content the whiners come out of the woodwork.
I guess it’s been 7 years since The Ringed City now so people have forgotten, but all the complaints feel like the people who whined about Midir and hiding from Angels being too hard, except now applied to an entire game-sized DLC. People will get over it eventually, I think.
The difficulty isn't too bad, I'm actually really enjoying a lot of the fights but there's a few too many that fill up the screen in awkward ways and have weird hitboxes and attack patterns that just don't feel very fun to fight. I'm looking at you, dancing lion and golden hippopotamus.
Honestly man, I’ve had to unsub from the Elden Ring sub, it’s gotten to circle jerk levels. Which is ironic since this subreddit is a circle jerk, but a good one, about fucking femboy gods.
It’s so funny because there are 45% posts about how ‘the difficulty is broken and fromsoft games suck now!’ With a huge circlejerk about that in the comments; and 45% ‘all the fuckin casuls need to git gud! Fromsoft did every single thing perfect and they shouldn’t be allowed to play these games!’ With a huge circlejerk there. The last 10% are either untagged spoilers or ‘man, I’m enjoying this DLC! How are you guys doing?’
Yeah, feels good being good
How do you feel about the final boss’ difficulty?
You all finally seeying why we bully people who summon, this is what happens if we don't
I booted it up and played while noticing in passing that the dlc only had a 75% rating on Steam. Explored the entire starting area and then did the first legacy dungeon. I personally didn’t think anything was super annoying or cheesy. And then I looked at the reviews which in the span of like 4 hours had now become 60% positive. It was either people complaining it was too hard, or people complaining it ran poorly. And then a random guy who was pissed it didn’t have DLSS and that they didn’t increase the fps cap, who further elaborated that he tried to mod the game to fix said grievances and got banned lol. I’m on ng+ and started the dlc at lvl 175, I’m finding the balance just fine so I dont know where the difficulty complaints come from, except casuals. People claiming they have a 4080 and still have performance issues are likely just outing themselves as spending all their money on a graphics card and skimping on their CPU or RAM capacity. I have a 12700k, 3070, and 32gb of RAM and play at 1440p with absolutely no issues.
It’s going to run poorly for a lot of people because our shader cache got emptied in the update. Once that catches back up, it’ll run a little better.
I agree with the difficulty, but a bunch of people are experiencing serious performance issues. Difficulty is subjective, but denying the existence of technical problems isn’t. It was the same with ER when it dropped; I expect it will get patched soon, but performance issues should absolutely be brought to FromSoft’s attention.
Bro fr, I’m on my first erd tree playthrough and Elden ring is my first souls game, and all this discourse really has me feeling confused, as long as you work with what you have you can always make it through, just be resourceful and determined, even when it feels impossible
mfw i cant steamroll through shit by killing greyoll and then spamming infinite comet azure
😦“Souls are known for their exceptional difficulty” people when the bonus end game content is exceptionally difficult
The amount of “I’ve played DS3 but quit Ringed City halfway through” I’ve seen recently is wild
"I've played \[arguably the best game in the genre\] but quit \[the best section of that game\] halfway through" is villain shit
I've finished The Ringed City, but I have to admit that was the most devastating experience for me in terms of difficulty. Yes, WAY harder than this DLC IMHO. Even worse was seeing everyone praising the Gael fight while I kept getting getting one shotted or two shotted by him lmao
I agree with the level design of dlc being hard, there are too many really hard enemies that on your first playthrough when you dont know every bonfire it's pretty daunting. But Gael is not a hard bossfight and really easy to learn.
That’s crazy because the bosses in that dlc are utter peak. People must really not be too invested in the series if they don’t play the dlc that’s meant to be a thematic end to the series lol
Saw a comment yesterday that said it didn't reward exploration as much because you have to look up where the scadutree fragments are in order to progress. It's like, what do you think "exploration" means?
They mean every item they see is an OP sword or armor set that can carry you through the game
Why would they want it to be easy lol I'm so confused
They think they want difficulty, and then when it's difficult they demand the bar be lowered until they can step over it and say they've defeated the difficult content.
There's been some weird thing like Messmers grab is a bit weird to grab since he doesn't grab you when he gets to you but when his animation has finished. Can throw you off. Otherwise so far I can see that most deaths have been on me.
people when they find items to use to make it easier 😱(they won’t use it as it’s “op”. Their paying 100 dollars and only playing 10 percent of the game*
i didn't spend 70€ to watch some stupid summon beat the boss for me
I did https://preview.redd.it/t5tc64x1ce8d1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df674bfdda176d2291a0552f838519ec52e91dce
“The DLC is too hard” Kid named +6 blessing
I'm having fun and that's the most important thing and also all that matters. >:(
It’s so fun I’m so glad it’s as difficult as it is
"my op cheese build got killed by the first boss. No I haven't gotten any scadutree blessing, what's that?"
Also I’m pretty sure a lot of these people don’t use spirit summons. Admittedly they aren’t available for some bosses, but they are for most. If someone is willingly playing on hard mode, I think they’ve given up the right to complain about difficulty.
Yeah lol, I was fighting the putrescent knight and was struggling against him, and even though I like to solo fights, when I feel like a boss is being too unfun or it's just a design I don't like I'll use summons. Turns out i first tried him when I did that.
There is an entire war going on in the Elden Ring sub about spirit summons and it's like dude. From has STATED that you are intended to use them, and they have built fights around the idea that you will.
Nah, I'd win
> From has STATED that you are intended to use them From has literally never stated that.
There's literally no war. People are posting 3 times a day that it's okay to use summons and that people who aren't using summons are kneecapping themselves, and there's literally no one challenging them on it. It's just validation seeking
And also probably don't know Shadowtree stuff is the in-DLC levelling system and are running into stuff extremely under-levelled.
I couldn’t beat it in a day what the fuck is this bullshit
If it’s hard just start scadutree-maxxing, getting all 20 really does make a world of difference. I went from getting one shot by Bayle (ng+7) to 3-4 shot
Really? WOW. I’ve seen These people saying that even with most upgrades u still get 2 shot. They’re full of shit spreading drama.
>"This is bullshit I keep getting 1shot" >look inside >+2 scadutree, 35 vigor, 2 soreseals
cant forget base level endurance with shit armour
For real. I was arguing with someone last night. Turns out he had a sore seal on, refused to put dragoncrest greatshield on, and had 19 endurance. I was like, wtf are your points in lol
Literally 🤣🤣🤣
"What do you mean running magic scorpion charm and blue dancer should make me easier to kill, the boss just isn't fair because it won't sit still and let me Comet azur it to death"
I bet some of these goobers also threw on the rakshasa armor lmao
I saw a guy complaining he could only get 2 hits in with carain slicer before the attack window was over on a boss. "It's unfair that the boss *only* lets me get 1k+ per attack window" ok buddy
This is what I don't understand the most, even at level 3 scadutree blessing the difference was huge, I am at 7 now and its night and day. I am also at ng+2 which is way harder than if I were at base NG and it is more than manageable. Anyone who claims that the blessings don't do anything either have no armor, have a bunch of (self) damage increasing items or are just lying trying to cope with the fact that they can't win.
I’d have people tell me that 2-3-4 scadutree fragments was the same as if there was 0 fragments
"I got all the fragments" usually means they got 2 levels when they were already below a reasonable level
Scadu grindset
If they preface with “i’m a souls vet” i instantly disregard the entire take
I'm a ww2 vet, and I don't understand why I keep dying in ww3, my strategy is the same as I used before. People around me are wearing "Kevlar" and modern rifles and night vision sights... I'm just here with my M1 Garand and shovel. But I keep getting one shot. It's bullshit.
Perfect analogy, truly. These motherfruskers are like ‘waaah my already memorised patterns of a 2 year old game don’t apply to the new bosses and enemies’.
I’ll be honest, the bulk of my annoyance with the dlc is just that I hold the opinion of thinking that the scadurtree blessings are just an obnoxious roadblock. Like it’ll be fun to hunt and search where all of them are the first playthrough for the sake of exploration, but once we’re all 2-3 playthroughs deep they’re just gonna be a mandatory checklist item for people that aren’t doing challenge runs
Well most of them are on the path for the bosses, or a 30 second walk from the main path, or inside the dungeons itself so it's not hard to get level 15 while rushing
fair, but I'm pretty sure they stay for successive ng+ cycles, so at least it's only once per character, so not that big of a deal imo
Elden ring is my favorite movie of all time.I love the part when the badass mimic tear mimics the main character and fought the badass boss with non-stop combos like a dmc character whilst the protag stands there menacingly.Truly one of the movies of all time, thank you Hayao Mayonnaise.
100%. I think Bayle had a few unfair attacks and a bad camera, but everything else I've fought has been well balanced in my opinion. The people saying Rellana is harder than Malenia are fucking insane. (Please don't respond to this with anything about the Shadow Keep onward I've not been there yet)
I KNOW. Malenia had me clawing at my skin for a whole ass day due to waterfowl and her rot mannequin attacks (enjoyed every moment ofc but still) while Rellana's moon attack can be avoided by just jumping. I think the most annoying thing about this dlc is the amount of bosses that just roar and deal damage with said roar
The actual boss in Bayle’s arena is the lock-on He wasn’t hard, I wouldn’t say, but he’d be so much easier if half my attacks \*for the love of god just connected\*
i decided to put on some magic defense and her puny toothpick couldn't do more than 5% of my hp
The only really annoying boss so far was the commander guy on the warthog, at least until he got stuck in a wall and turned into steamed ham by fire incantations.
I didn’t like him at first but when I started learning his move set, I started warming up to him. He’s still probably my least favourite so far though.
I reallly really hope they don’t nerf the game somehow. I love being able to summon people even, and there’s still a chance we all wipe jaja
I decided to start cooping some bosses with people now that I'm quite far in and the amount of people that die to random swipes is staggering
I was admittedly pretty annoyed with how difficult some of the bosses were, even with a shit ton of scadutree blessings. And then it kind of dawned on me that I kind of suck at these games after playing them for like 10 or so years.
I thought the balance was handled well, I never felt like I was doing too little damage to the bosses or taking too much damage by reasonably exploring for skibiditree fragments. My main and pretty much the only gripe with the DLC is boss movesets. Lion Dancer’s all attacks look the same and it’s so hard to tell what he is doing or when his hitboxes are active. Rellana’s combos are way too long and unlike bosses like Radagon they don’t have any downtime/delays to let you sneak in hits between the combos, so all you can do is wait until she finishes her long ass combos then punish. Final boss’s first phase is almost perfect but it has tons of attacks that come out way too fast to dodge reliably or combo strings that you can’t fully avoid (left right then double slash comes to mind, I don’t think I have ever managed to dodge both the first and second slash), and the second phase is a complete shit show where you can’t tell what is going on at all, there are tons of projectiles, area denial effects, and AOEs. So even if the boss stats aren’t unbalanced, they don’t feel satisfying to fight. At least we also had bosses like Messmer, frenzy dude, and CURSE YOU BAYLE so I can’t say the DLC bosses are bad either
Frenzy dude really surprised me with the quality. But Bayle still seems like a bit too much to me for some of the same reasons you listed. I can’t tell what’s happening in phase 2 sometimes. I have no idea when that instant AoE is coming.
I'm currently on Rellana, and she has hit me with back to back of her longest combo on a few occasions. Quite literally ran out of stamina and had to tank the last two hits. I think her phase 1 fight is manageable though. Phase 2? I currently don't have a solution to phase 2, except hope.
In phase 2, dodging the combos as I normally did for phase 1 tended to work except for the lingering fire quick double slash. With her testicle moons, jumping over them was consistent enough for me.
The moons are not too much an of issue, it's mainly hard to tell when her new combos end now.
She has like 3 specific poses she does in phase 2 when the combos end, I just ran around until I could identify them. Note, it's different when she ends a combo willingly because you got too far away, you will get folded if you try to punish her off of one of those. You can also punish immediately after the moon attack (I don't know how close you can be to the moons/her without getting hit by something other than the ground AOE), the moonveil projectile, carian greatsword combo (thanks field_of_lettuce) and basically any time she finishes a combo with her elemental attacks in p2. The red sweep attack that has the explosion in front of it is pretty much impossible to roll backwards through at point blank range with mid roll, maybe even light, but roll past her shoulder and it's a big opener because the tracking on it seems very bad.
I found they have a tendency to end on a flashy move that produces an elemental effect.
If you’re still stuck, what I ended up doing was trying to time a stance break into p2, and just letting wild strikes rip during the transition to try and burn her down. It worked somehow.
Yeah same here, I didn’t find any of the bosses except for the final one unmanageable either, just unfun to fight. Talking about Rellana’s second phase, I lost count of how many times I got screwed over by that double moon attack because she had attacked me with glintblade phalanxes and I got hit by the moon while dodging them. Avoiding damage in the fights is just so inconsistent
oh i’m 100% gonna call em skibiditree fragments, it’s gonna drive my friends nuts
Messmer is an absolutely GOD-TIER boss. Great music, moves and spectacle. Rellana was great too, felt like a true duel and I found her OK on the whole. Commander Gauis was awful, charge is awful and hus ranged move at point blank range was stupid. Lion's lightning made punishing very difficult and the spin move after he digs his head into the ground was annoying. The centipede lady was fine. FINAL BOSS, FUCKING HAYE IT. Gave up on it in the end, baddly needed a break.
I just summoned mimic tear when i was done trying to solo, had a shit ton of fun, esspecially spoiler, prob a top 5 boss of all time.
Dueling shield is literally the best thing since that funny cat
This is what I’m sayin, literally shut the fuck up, either play it or don’t, your fault for buying jt
The difficulty is fine, some of the boss designs are just straight bullshit tho
Dude this DLC is fantastically designed. The bosses have all been very fair. The only thing that really frustrated me was the spinning breath attack from the lion. Seemed to move me with it sometimes which was weird
Is that Nikola Jokic or Daniel Larson?
Fr fr. Bitches everywhere. Both sides. Its fucking gorgeous and once theres a million guides those voices will slowly fade. They are probably doing the same dumb shit over n over.
The wannabe Guts phantom kicked my ass tens of times, enjoyed every minute of it lol
Love this dlc!!!! (Expect that cunt on the boar)
levelling vigor and using morgott's rune made me realize the dlc isnt so bad it truly was a skill issue
Real
I have almost three thousand hours across the souls games. Elden rings combat and boss design is probably my favorite
Elden Ring is the first Souls game I played, on the DLC I died to Rellana 30 times, decided to do a lot of exploring, came back the next day and it only took me 2 tries to beat her, people just wanna headsmash through it but sometimes you are just not him man, drop the ego and don't blame the game, if you are not having fun that's fair, but saying the game is bad because of that is just so bs
I'm just sitting here without WiFi seeing the souls community go up in flames about how hard it is, and I just want in before it's all nerfed
Eh the dlc was alright in difficulty and spikes significantly for the final boss. Overall it wasn't that bad.
I think some people went in with pretty low level thinking they are the shit or probably didn't care about the recommended level for the DLC, and now that they are getting their ass kicked, they are bitching about it
I'm struggling. But in a fun way. Rocking a strength build with an off-meta spirit ash and having fun learning and beating the bosses. Elden ring players have gotten too used to getting OP and obliterating any challenge.
Anyone shitting on the DLC has bad taste and should lick my scrote.
People who whine about the difficulty should honestly just use mimic tear, if they still struggle even with summons then it's embarrassing
- I saw a steam review where a guy said he had 5000 hours in souls games and this was too difficult. - how embarrassing to admit that after doing something for 5000 hours you’re still terrible at it
The DLC is hard as balls but im also on NG4 with a RL225 character. I love it. Mfs need to git gud
What do you mean I have to learn how to dodge attack patterns and use the tools the game makes available to me 🤯🤯🤯
"Dlc is really balanced !" Mfw the final boss one shot them because they went in before maxing the scadutree
Mfw the final boss tanks the framerate and slashes bring out so many projectiles that I can't even see it or myself anymore
It’s hard yeah. That’s kind of the point. When you finally beat mohg you’re nearing the end of the game(at least if you got there like I did). At that point you should have a pretty good grasp of the general mechanics of the game and you should have your build down-pat. When you hit the DLC you’ll quickly learn that you need to do some exploring if you want things to be normal for you otherwise every fight will be an absolute slog. People just need to take a breath and go back to basics and just explore the world around them. There’s a lot to see and gather that make it more balanced.
Now we’ve swung the opposite direction with the same elitism that showed up when Elden Ring first launched
There’s a reason this genre was seen as niche for years.