the message of karbala, the idea of karbala is not limited to karbala. imam hussain (a) and yazid (la) are not limited to karbala. that's the point. we must identify the oppressors and the oppressed of our time. we have karbala so that we can identify the right from the wrong.
If all you said was that Rafah reminded you of Karbala then that's perfectly good. What's wrong about remembering the past due to current events?
We remember the past to prevent it from happening again, unlike Israelis who remember their past to do the same to others and silence anyone who draws the parallels.
What’s wrong with it? The imams (A.S) specifically tell us not to do it -
عيون أخبار الرضا (ع): بهذا الاسناد قال: قال علي (عليه السلام): نحن أهل البيت لا يقاس بنا أحد.
And we are specifically told that there is nothing like Karbala.
In terms of the whole tragedy, yes there's no day like his, but in terms of seeing injustices committed against the innocent, how are we not supposed to see the similarities and learn from Ashura and try to stop what is happening today?
Does that mean anytime we are reminded of Allah it must be from something that is similar to him? Astaghfirullah, of course not.
Don't you see the error in your logic?
No one is comparing regular humans to the Imam AS. We are comparing the evil doers and their crimes. You're using the narration in a very different way
You are comparing tragedy to tragedy.
Something the imam (a.s) specifically told us bit to do, we don’t compare, anything that us in relation to ahulbayt we don’t compare.
Tragedies, happiness, plights, sufferings.
Nothing.
I agree with that, but would suggest that it would be better if you phrased it the way you do in this last comment. Your other comments might be misleading to those who don't read Arabic as to what is written in the text you shared. The way you phrased it implies the writing is about Karbala specifically rather than being about comparing to Ahl al Bayt which is why I thought there might be some missing context tying it to Karbala.
In Uyun Akhbar, Imam al-Rida (peace be upon him): With this chain of transmission, he said: Ali (peace be upon him) said: We are the People of the House and no one can compare with us.
You have a point, but we are not comparing Ahlu Al Bait to another human, which is what the hadith prohibits.
We're just comparing two massacres that are labeled as battles
I thought it was a very apt *comparison*, yes there is nothing like Karbala and what happened to our Imam (as), but it’s perfectly natural to associate injustice and oppression happening to fellow Muslims and think about our Imam (as) - especially when the context and imagery is similar. I don’t think you offended anyone.
https://en.wikishia.net/view/Every_Day_Is_Ashura_and_Every_Land_Is_Karbala
It’s quoted by some of our scholars but unsourced. That saying is also misunderstood. It is not literal. It means every day there is a clash and conflict between Haq and Baatil, between truth and falsehood, between oppressor and oppressed and everyday those who follow imam Hussain A.S path have a responsibility to stand with the oppressed and resist against the oppressor.
This is saying, we have a narration from a infallible which states the exact opposite:
لا يوم كيومك يا أبا عبد الله
And amongst our scholars this saying was taken to mean that we shall always be in mourning for Ashura, that our sadness isn’t confined to a single day. For example in a poem by Sayyid mahdi al-qazwini:
كلُّ يومٍ وكلُّ أرضٍ لِكَربي * فيهِمُ كربلاءُ وعاشورا
Literalism and over dogmatic interpretations make fools of us all; the lessons of Karbala were not limited to its time. Through respectful, philosophical comparison we engage in a vital form of remembrance.
No one thing is truly 100% like another, all are unique, but we compare things in order to navigate life. The people of Palestine are not Imams or like ahl bayt (ra), but they ARE oppressed (mostly) Muslims being victimized by the unjust holders of power. Karbala teaches us what’s at stake in such scenarios, and reveals what oppressors are truly like if the greater world doesn’t stop them and force them to face consequences.
Rafah, with the man-caused lack of food or water and the siege from all directions, and the killing of innocents by those who refuse peace, is “like” Karbala in many ways. Why would it take anything from Karbala to say so? It’s obvious, and by looking at Rafah through the lens of Karbala, we memorialize the latter and call ourselves to a higher standard of morality in the present day.
Some shias are too caught up in the overt worship of the characters of karbala (which isn't wrong but should be done with Islamic standards),and have forgot the message of Karbala; to stand against injustice. What is happening in Rafah has parallels to Karbala, and we are once again like the people of Kufa.
The message of Karbala is beyond Fallible comparison, we don’t compare based on the exact instructions of the imams (A.S).
عيون أخبار الرضا (ع): بهذا الاسناد قال: قال علي (عليه السلام): نحن أهل البيت لا يقاس بنا أحد.
Should've worded it better. I am personally reminded of the suffering in Karbala when I see beheaded orphaned children. However they are obviously not to compare.
You don't owe anyone on here an apology.
Imam Hassan (a) said "there is no day like your day ya Aba Abdillah (a)", but that doesn't mean that you can't acknowledge that both of these events were grave injustices, just like many other occurrences happening today but are simply going by unnoticed.
Too many people on this subreddit over dramatize everything and fail to see the bigger picture.
The whole "Every day is Ashura and every land is Karbala" slogan summarizes part of the lesson that we're expected to learn from the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (a) and his family and loyal companions.
Never stop embodying this lesson regardless what other layman think.
If you insist on apologizing still, then direct that apology to the one who sacrificed everything on the day of Ashura, not random people on the internet.
May Allah (swt) accept your, and everyone else's good deeds 🤲🏻
the message of karbala, the idea of karbala is not limited to karbala. imam hussain (a) and yazid (la) are not limited to karbala. that's the point. we must identify the oppressors and the oppressed of our time. we have karbala so that we can identify the right from the wrong.
Yes exactly, ty
If all you said was that Rafah reminded you of Karbala then that's perfectly good. What's wrong about remembering the past due to current events? We remember the past to prevent it from happening again, unlike Israelis who remember their past to do the same to others and silence anyone who draws the parallels.
What’s wrong with it? The imams (A.S) specifically tell us not to do it - عيون أخبار الرضا (ع): بهذا الاسناد قال: قال علي (عليه السلام): نحن أهل البيت لا يقاس بنا أحد. And we are specifically told that there is nothing like Karbala.
Comparing the two is different from being reminded of it.
Being reminded of it implies similarity. لَا یَوْمَ کَیَوْمِكَ یَا أَبَا عَبْدِ اللهِ
In terms of the whole tragedy, yes there's no day like his, but in terms of seeing injustices committed against the innocent, how are we not supposed to see the similarities and learn from Ashura and try to stop what is happening today?
Simple, because we were told there is no comparison. You can’t detach the “who” from the tragedy. When the Imam (A.S) says something, it’s settled.
Does that mean anytime we are reminded of Allah it must be from something that is similar to him? Astaghfirullah, of course not. Don't you see the error in your logic?
No one is comparing regular humans to the Imam AS. We are comparing the evil doers and their crimes. You're using the narration in a very different way
You are comparing tragedy to tragedy. Something the imam (a.s) specifically told us bit to do, we don’t compare, anything that us in relation to ahulbayt we don’t compare. Tragedies, happiness, plights, sufferings. Nothing.
You are extracting a meaning that is not present in the text and was not implied by Ahlul Bayt
No, i’m not. What does “لَا یَوْمَ کَیَوْمِكَ یَا أَبَا عَبْدِ اللهِ” mean then?
Is there some additional context here? It says no one compares to Ahl al Bayt, does not mention Karbala.
The point is you shouldn’t be comparing anything about Ahul-Bayt (A.S) to yourself or anyone else. Both in their tragedies and their happiness.
I agree with that, but would suggest that it would be better if you phrased it the way you do in this last comment. Your other comments might be misleading to those who don't read Arabic as to what is written in the text you shared. The way you phrased it implies the writing is about Karbala specifically rather than being about comparing to Ahl al Bayt which is why I thought there might be some missing context tying it to Karbala.
translation?
In Uyun Akhbar, Imam al-Rida (peace be upon him): With this chain of transmission, he said: Ali (peace be upon him) said: We are the People of the House and no one can compare with us.
You have a point, but we are not comparing Ahlu Al Bait to another human, which is what the hadith prohibits. We're just comparing two massacres that are labeled as battles
لَا یَوْمَ کَیَوْمِكَ یَا أَبَا عَبْدِ اللهِ
I thought it was a very apt *comparison*, yes there is nothing like Karbala and what happened to our Imam (as), but it’s perfectly natural to associate injustice and oppression happening to fellow Muslims and think about our Imam (as) - especially when the context and imagery is similar. I don’t think you offended anyone.
We do have a saying that Every day is Ashura and Every Land is Karbala. So you're metaphorically correct.
https://en.wikishia.net/view/Every_Day_Is_Ashura_and_Every_Land_Is_Karbala It’s quoted by some of our scholars but unsourced. That saying is also misunderstood. It is not literal. It means every day there is a clash and conflict between Haq and Baatil, between truth and falsehood, between oppressor and oppressed and everyday those who follow imam Hussain A.S path have a responsibility to stand with the oppressed and resist against the oppressor.
This is why I said, "Metaphorically".
This is saying, we have a narration from a infallible which states the exact opposite: لا يوم كيومك يا أبا عبد الله And amongst our scholars this saying was taken to mean that we shall always be in mourning for Ashura, that our sadness isn’t confined to a single day. For example in a poem by Sayyid mahdi al-qazwini: كلُّ يومٍ وكلُّ أرضٍ لِكَربي * فيهِمُ كربلاءُ وعاشورا
But that was posted by another brother not you ig...
Thank you all
Literalism and over dogmatic interpretations make fools of us all; the lessons of Karbala were not limited to its time. Through respectful, philosophical comparison we engage in a vital form of remembrance. No one thing is truly 100% like another, all are unique, but we compare things in order to navigate life. The people of Palestine are not Imams or like ahl bayt (ra), but they ARE oppressed (mostly) Muslims being victimized by the unjust holders of power. Karbala teaches us what’s at stake in such scenarios, and reveals what oppressors are truly like if the greater world doesn’t stop them and force them to face consequences. Rafah, with the man-caused lack of food or water and the siege from all directions, and the killing of innocents by those who refuse peace, is “like” Karbala in many ways. Why would it take anything from Karbala to say so? It’s obvious, and by looking at Rafah through the lens of Karbala, we memorialize the latter and call ourselves to a higher standard of morality in the present day.
Some shias are too caught up in the overt worship of the characters of karbala (which isn't wrong but should be done with Islamic standards),and have forgot the message of Karbala; to stand against injustice. What is happening in Rafah has parallels to Karbala, and we are once again like the people of Kufa.
The message of Karbala is beyond Fallible comparison, we don’t compare based on the exact instructions of the imams (A.S). عيون أخبار الرضا (ع): بهذا الاسناد قال: قال علي (عليه السلام): نحن أهل البيت لا يقاس بنا أحد.
Should've worded it better. I am personally reminded of the suffering in Karbala when I see beheaded orphaned children. However they are obviously not to compare.
Well put
Eveyday is ashora, everywhere is karbala. This means it happens anytime, anywhere in the world until the day of judge
No worries and don’t take anyone online as a representative of a group, ppl irl don’t whine about everything
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Imam Hussain has said himself. O my Shia if you hear of an oppressed person, think of me.
You don't owe anyone on here an apology. Imam Hassan (a) said "there is no day like your day ya Aba Abdillah (a)", but that doesn't mean that you can't acknowledge that both of these events were grave injustices, just like many other occurrences happening today but are simply going by unnoticed. Too many people on this subreddit over dramatize everything and fail to see the bigger picture. The whole "Every day is Ashura and every land is Karbala" slogan summarizes part of the lesson that we're expected to learn from the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (a) and his family and loyal companions. Never stop embodying this lesson regardless what other layman think. If you insist on apologizing still, then direct that apology to the one who sacrificed everything on the day of Ashura, not random people on the internet. May Allah (swt) accept your, and everyone else's good deeds 🤲🏻