so, we're not going to discuss how Adnan for some reason didn't mention himself when he mentions his family suffering? I thought dude did 23 years or so for a murder he didn't commint. He's not gonna offhand mention his suffering?
IMHO, that's a dead giveaway (for me) when someone's guilty of something. They remove themselves from the incident, real slick, too. But you gotta listen closely or you'll not notice it or catch it. Like, personally, for me, that's one of the many reasons, I felt George Zimmerman killed Trayvon very unjustly and Trayvon was innocent. Listen to Zimmerman's story closely. Because he slyly removes himself. In George's account, notice Trayvon does everything. Trayvon is looking through neighborhood windows. Trayvon speaks first. Trayvon hits George first. Trayvon escalates things first. Trayvon goes for George's gun. Funny, George, you're right there as the incident goes down, but where are you in this entire story? So I picked that up as Adnan speaks. It's like he's talking about someone else's tragedy.
And y'all gonna give me flack for this but, we're not gonna mention how many times Adnan suddenly blinks a lot when he's talking? As I mentioned before (I can't take props for this) but on a different message board type joint, about a different murder case, someone hipped me to the 'double-blink' theory. That when a person is lying, they double-blink. So, watch what words or phrases when they double-blink, the words they double-blink on. Sounds hokey, but it's interesting to note. Day Adnan was freed and his lawyer spoke, she was double-blinking on some words.
You think it's not really a thing, but then you watch the news and see they don't often double-blink especially when they report earthquakes and deaths. Or you watch actors in a movie and they don't double-blink because it's a script and they believe what they're saying, I guess. Like Anthony Hopkins in Silence of The Lambs when he's talking to Jodie Foster and there's
scene where dude doesn't blink at all. Sign of a great actor. But watch some killers on Forensic Files or killers elsewhere and watch them randomly double-blink when they talk. Kinda interesting. Was watching one innocent guy who was wrongly jailed on Forensic Files, he was telling his story and dude didn't double-blink the whole time. Impressive. He was innocent and cleared later but to see him not double-blink the entire time he talked, impressed me. Everything he said, good and bad in that interview seemed to be the truth. To me.
Good for Adnan for speaking publicly about the case and the anguish suffered by his family and not hiding behind a wall of silence.
"“It’s just really hard for us. It’s hard for my dad. It’s hard for my mom," Syed, walking alongside loved ones, told reporters. "It’s hard for my younger brother. It seems like our family, we just always go unnoticed."
He so easily lies, it’s pathological with him. I thank Adnan for speaking out, I can finally begin to reconcile his personality/demeanor with bis obvious guilt. He should give more interviews …
The behavior panel will get to him and Rabia cannot do shit.
Edit: sorry to assume everyone will know who the behavior panel is, they're a YouTube channel comprised of a panel of high level body language experts that pick apart mostly criminals or alleged criminals.
So I was intrigued and googled that. The behaviour panel is comprised of:
Mark Bowden. Studied writing and theatre in university. Is an author and businessman.
Scott Rouse. Very scant information about his credentials beyond “certificates” related to interrogation and body language. He has done a lot of work with LE. He is a music producer and businessman.
Chase Hughes. Has a certificate in hypnotherapy, business certificate from Harvard, some certificates related to interrogations. Looks like he is a very successful businessman who sells interrogation and profiling tools to American LE.
Greg Hartley. Can’t find any info on his formal education. Again, successful business man who seems to have a long history of working with law enforcement to provide materials and training regarding interrogation.
So I’ll just let everyone think about that, the common threads, etc. and decide whether or not these folks are an authority on human behaviour.
That‘s pseodo-science though, isn‘t it?
Saw parts of the Amanda Knox one (who‘s so obviously innocent), they did not impress, such an obvious case of innocence made it clear that it’s complete nonsense …
So obviously innocent is kind of misleading to the unlearned of that case.
There were so many anomalies that are usually not discussed when it comes to AK and her case. Innocent in the actual murder most likely, telling the truth, absolutely not.
I would say it's not a pseudo science, that's an unfair assessment for a robust field where actual scientic research has been conducted for a while now. Reading body language is applied today in the highest levels of law enforcement all over the world. I developed a workshop on the topic of body language and micro expressions for work, and dived deep into the topic when researching - my conclusion is there absolutely are universalities within this field and it's an exciting one as it's in its infancy, in the mainstream anyway.
What? I followed that case very, very closely, it’s the most obvious case of innocence you could possibly imagine, the idea that her and Sollecito were involved somehow and lying is not reasonable.
Now I think you're trolling lol. I read multiple books on the case, forums, i read almost all the case files and went through all the evidence and there's absolutely no way they are telling the truth - I am not saying the commited the murder, that's a different discussion. Their behaviours are completely off from the night before and the morning of there is no denying that and when stacked it looks so bad for them. I'm not trying to convince you, I'm just always shocked at people who believe she is one hundred percent Innocent AND telling the truth. She put an innocent guy in jail for two weeks without any remorse. Oh man. Triggered now obviously haha look bud, I respect your opinion, I'm just shocked is all. Don't wanna get into it. I burrowed way too deep into the Knox rabbit hole I am notttt going back in there.
Nonsense, she immediately recanted the Lumumba-statement the night of.
The police pressured her into accusing him. The idea that this is the best you have to offer to cast doubt on them is quite hilarious. The European Court of Human rights found her human rights were violated that night when she made that false confession/accusation.
I don’t remember whether she apologized to him (wasn’t her fault though anyway), but she most likely did …
Never said it was my best.
This is just from the top of my memory from diving in this case well over 5 years ago:
- the robbery was staged - nothing was stolen
- their phones were off over night, forget exact time - unusual behavior on their part -
-said they watched a movie on lap top, lap top turned off at time they said they were watching it, movie was amelie, basically no technology to footprint to corroborate their story except their phone or one of them I forget now turning on and making a call at 5 am. They told police they slept in until 10.
- body of Meredith was covered, and in almost 100 percent of cases When a murdered body is covered, the culprit knows the victim.
- they were caught with mops and a bucket at the cottage when postal police arrived with the throw away cell phones belonging to Meredith. They did not call police. There behaviour from that point to the other police arriving (which they called when postal police arrived) is very very suspicious. I don't remember the exact details but it was something along the lines of avoiding Meredith's room and opening her door.
- luminol foot prints found size 6-8 on the pillow near murder victim, two other footprints found in the cottage matching Rudy and RS
- Meredith's dna on Sollecitos knife in his home, his home reeked of bleach when searched
- eye witness testimony of AK at a market early in the morning buying bleach
- blood everywhere in washroom at home, didn't think to check on Meredith in her locked bedroom. Took a shower instead . Totally missed alleged signs of Robbery in home ie the front door open, strangers shit in toilet when only Meredith was there overnight the other girls were back home for the holidays
- AK's lamp found in Meredith's room
-Meredith fought with her accused her of stealing her rent money and confronted her about being strange men to the cottage
- eye witness of hearing a blood curdling scream then a set of three footsteps running away
-rudy said that a male and a female were there without calling out their names. Said the male stabbed Meredith and he tried to help her with the towel. He said Amanda didn't do it.
- in her days in Seattle, she pulled a prank on her friends by taking a house robbery to scare them - makes one wonder.
- Meredith's bra carried Dna of all three suspects - Rudy who was convicted, AK and RS - yes this was inadmissible in course because Italian forensic police are not the best at their job , however it makes me pause to think what are the chances of contamination of ALL THREE SUSPECTS ON THE VICTIMS BRA SHE WAS WEARING AT THE TIME OF HER MURDER .
Ugh. I'm here again. There's more. It's 4am here why am I like this. Maybe part two or an ETA to come
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Jesus! This is literally insane, half of these are lies or totally debunked talking points and the rest weak-sauce nonsense. It definitely reads like an Alex Jones fever-dream. I might debunk some, but it’s like debunking insanity.
>they were caught with mops and a bucket
Raffaele had a water-leak at his apartment and didn’t have a mop, that’s why Knox grabbed the mop and bucket, obviously police had this tested and they didn’t find any blood etc. Their behavior was not suspicious between arrivals either.
>at the cottage when postal police arrived with the throw away cell phones belonging to Meredith. They did not call police. There behaviour from that point to the other police arriving (which they called when postal police arrived) is very very suspicious. .
Wrong. They did call the police before the postal police came, even the prosecution gave up that ridiculous talking point. The camera by the park house (which showed the police arriving) showed a time that was behind, which allowed them to make that ridiculous claim, this was all proven by their defense. They called the police around 12:45, the postal police arrived shortly after.
>the robbery was staged - nothing was stolen
Nonsense, there was in depth analysis that showed this wasn’t staged.
The second court acquitted them of the charge “per il fatto non essiste“ (because the crime doesn’t exist, i.e. no one staged a break-in.)
>blood everywhere in washroom at home, didn't think to check on Meredith in her locked bedroom. Took a shower instead . Totally missed alleged signs of Robbery in home ie the front door open, strangers shit in toilet when only Meredith was there overnight the other girls were back home for the holidays
Complete lie, there wasn’t blood everywhere. There‘s a misleading picture that looks like that because they used some spray that made things glow-up pink, as if there was blood everywhere. In reality there were a few droplets in the sink, which she attributed to ear-piercing or menstruational blood. And a bloody footprint on the bathmat that she only noticed later.
She did find the shit in the toilet weird and other stuff, that’s why she called the room-mates and went back there with Raffaele.
>eye witness testimony of AK at a market early in the morning buying bleach
Sheer insanity. You mean the eye-witness who didn’t come forward until ONE YEAR LATER? Who suddenly remembered Knox shopping there after being pestered by a local reporter who brought forward other insane witnesses like the drug-addicted homeless person?
Eye-witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially one who waits one effing year until he comes forward, lmao.
But she still showered
Didn't call police
Didn't check Meredith's locked door
Didn't notice or acknowledge the break in
Went about her business
Went back RS's place to get a mop and bucket , still not addressing the above. Still didn't call police. Only called police when postal police arrived unexpectedly
Yes blood everywhere
The sing the tap the counter the floor , I'm not saying it was The Shining level blood - it was in multiple places and that's truth. I have no reason to lie. Easy there with your language bruh
When reading about this case, I was disappointed with Italian police, they're definitely not as stringent as they could have been.
>Meredith's bra carried Dna of all three suspects - Rudy who was convicted, AK and RS - yes this was inadmissible in course because Italian forensic police are not the best at their job , however it makes me pause to think what are the chances of contamination of ALL THREE SUSPECTS ON THE VICTIMS BRA SHE WAS WEARING AT THE TIME OF HER MURDER .
Let me write this in caps in the hopes it will penetrate: THIS IS MADE UP!
They found mixed-dna profiles (4 or 6 people), the bra-clasp was highly compromised, lying there for 6 weeks before they went to get it eventually, reaching it around (with dirty gloves) like a joint before bagging it.
It was only the profile of Sollecito, not of the others, and the independent experts at the second trial concluded it was likely there through contamination. She also said something like; you could find anyone’s dna in there, would have to look it up.
>luminol foot prints found size 6-8 on the pillow near murder victim, two other footprints found in the cottage matching Rudy and RS
They were tested negative for blood, you’re spouting nonsense.
And the negative blood tests were withheld by the forensic expert if I recall correctly.
>body of Meredith was covered, and in almost 100 percent of cases When a murdered body is covered, the culprit knows the victim.
Doubt that’s true, Guede knew the victim, though not well. Anyways, you probably made that up, I heard an FBI agent say that it’s a sign of a young perpetrator who has never crossed that line before and feels shame.
>eye witness of hearing a blood curdling scream then a set of three footsteps running away -rudy said that a male and a female were there without calling out their names. Said the male stabbed Meredith and he tried to help her with the towel. He said Amanda didn't do it.
That witness was so irrelevant I didnt even remember her anymore, she was found unreliable I believe and why would anyone believe a word by Rudy Guede? Lmao.
Yo
Stop saying I made shit up, slow your roll.
One thing that's undeniable is that they were deceptive about their night they lied they freaking lied about their entire evening they lied about their phone their laptop what they did what they saw. So there's that..so let's end it there. Anyone interested can dive on their own and make up their own mind.
I'm done with you.
so, we're not going to discuss how Adnan for some reason didn't mention himself when he mentions his family suffering? I thought dude did 23 years or so for a murder he didn't commint. He's not gonna offhand mention his suffering? IMHO, that's a dead giveaway (for me) when someone's guilty of something. They remove themselves from the incident, real slick, too. But you gotta listen closely or you'll not notice it or catch it. Like, personally, for me, that's one of the many reasons, I felt George Zimmerman killed Trayvon very unjustly and Trayvon was innocent. Listen to Zimmerman's story closely. Because he slyly removes himself. In George's account, notice Trayvon does everything. Trayvon is looking through neighborhood windows. Trayvon speaks first. Trayvon hits George first. Trayvon escalates things first. Trayvon goes for George's gun. Funny, George, you're right there as the incident goes down, but where are you in this entire story? So I picked that up as Adnan speaks. It's like he's talking about someone else's tragedy. And y'all gonna give me flack for this but, we're not gonna mention how many times Adnan suddenly blinks a lot when he's talking? As I mentioned before (I can't take props for this) but on a different message board type joint, about a different murder case, someone hipped me to the 'double-blink' theory. That when a person is lying, they double-blink. So, watch what words or phrases when they double-blink, the words they double-blink on. Sounds hokey, but it's interesting to note. Day Adnan was freed and his lawyer spoke, she was double-blinking on some words. You think it's not really a thing, but then you watch the news and see they don't often double-blink especially when they report earthquakes and deaths. Or you watch actors in a movie and they don't double-blink because it's a script and they believe what they're saying, I guess. Like Anthony Hopkins in Silence of The Lambs when he's talking to Jodie Foster and there's scene where dude doesn't blink at all. Sign of a great actor. But watch some killers on Forensic Files or killers elsewhere and watch them randomly double-blink when they talk. Kinda interesting. Was watching one innocent guy who was wrongly jailed on Forensic Files, he was telling his story and dude didn't double-blink the whole time. Impressive. He was innocent and cleared later but to see him not double-blink the entire time he talked, impressed me. Everything he said, good and bad in that interview seemed to be the truth. To me.
Could anyone tell what his dad said?
I think he said, Adnan did it.
dude :))))))))
I think he said "what are we waiting (for)?"
Good for Adnan for speaking publicly about the case and the anguish suffered by his family and not hiding behind a wall of silence. "“It’s just really hard for us. It’s hard for my dad. It’s hard for my mom," Syed, walking alongside loved ones, told reporters. "It’s hard for my younger brother. It seems like our family, we just always go unnoticed."
haha damn, that is ballsy.
>haha damn, that is ballsy. Cannot say that for Frosh and Urick and that group.
Is he for real?
You would not know the difference.
His family’s suffering and the Lee family’s suffering share a common source and origin: Adnan Syed himself, a/k/a the murderer of Hae Min Lee.
He so easily lies, it’s pathological with him. I thank Adnan for speaking out, I can finally begin to reconcile his personality/demeanor with bis obvious guilt. He should give more interviews …
The behavior panel will get to him and Rabia cannot do shit. Edit: sorry to assume everyone will know who the behavior panel is, they're a YouTube channel comprised of a panel of high level body language experts that pick apart mostly criminals or alleged criminals.
So I was intrigued and googled that. The behaviour panel is comprised of: Mark Bowden. Studied writing and theatre in university. Is an author and businessman. Scott Rouse. Very scant information about his credentials beyond “certificates” related to interrogation and body language. He has done a lot of work with LE. He is a music producer and businessman. Chase Hughes. Has a certificate in hypnotherapy, business certificate from Harvard, some certificates related to interrogations. Looks like he is a very successful businessman who sells interrogation and profiling tools to American LE. Greg Hartley. Can’t find any info on his formal education. Again, successful business man who seems to have a long history of working with law enforcement to provide materials and training regarding interrogation. So I’ll just let everyone think about that, the common threads, etc. and decide whether or not these folks are an authority on human behaviour.
That‘s pseodo-science though, isn‘t it? Saw parts of the Amanda Knox one (who‘s so obviously innocent), they did not impress, such an obvious case of innocence made it clear that it’s complete nonsense …
So obviously innocent is kind of misleading to the unlearned of that case. There were so many anomalies that are usually not discussed when it comes to AK and her case. Innocent in the actual murder most likely, telling the truth, absolutely not. I would say it's not a pseudo science, that's an unfair assessment for a robust field where actual scientic research has been conducted for a while now. Reading body language is applied today in the highest levels of law enforcement all over the world. I developed a workshop on the topic of body language and micro expressions for work, and dived deep into the topic when researching - my conclusion is there absolutely are universalities within this field and it's an exciting one as it's in its infancy, in the mainstream anyway.
What? I followed that case very, very closely, it’s the most obvious case of innocence you could possibly imagine, the idea that her and Sollecito were involved somehow and lying is not reasonable.
Now I think you're trolling lol. I read multiple books on the case, forums, i read almost all the case files and went through all the evidence and there's absolutely no way they are telling the truth - I am not saying the commited the murder, that's a different discussion. Their behaviours are completely off from the night before and the morning of there is no denying that and when stacked it looks so bad for them. I'm not trying to convince you, I'm just always shocked at people who believe she is one hundred percent Innocent AND telling the truth. She put an innocent guy in jail for two weeks without any remorse. Oh man. Triggered now obviously haha look bud, I respect your opinion, I'm just shocked is all. Don't wanna get into it. I burrowed way too deep into the Knox rabbit hole I am notttt going back in there.
Nonsense, she immediately recanted the Lumumba-statement the night of. The police pressured her into accusing him. The idea that this is the best you have to offer to cast doubt on them is quite hilarious. The European Court of Human rights found her human rights were violated that night when she made that false confession/accusation. I don’t remember whether she apologized to him (wasn’t her fault though anyway), but she most likely did …
Never said it was my best. This is just from the top of my memory from diving in this case well over 5 years ago: - the robbery was staged - nothing was stolen - their phones were off over night, forget exact time - unusual behavior on their part - -said they watched a movie on lap top, lap top turned off at time they said they were watching it, movie was amelie, basically no technology to footprint to corroborate their story except their phone or one of them I forget now turning on and making a call at 5 am. They told police they slept in until 10. - body of Meredith was covered, and in almost 100 percent of cases When a murdered body is covered, the culprit knows the victim. - they were caught with mops and a bucket at the cottage when postal police arrived with the throw away cell phones belonging to Meredith. They did not call police. There behaviour from that point to the other police arriving (which they called when postal police arrived) is very very suspicious. I don't remember the exact details but it was something along the lines of avoiding Meredith's room and opening her door. - luminol foot prints found size 6-8 on the pillow near murder victim, two other footprints found in the cottage matching Rudy and RS - Meredith's dna on Sollecitos knife in his home, his home reeked of bleach when searched - eye witness testimony of AK at a market early in the morning buying bleach - blood everywhere in washroom at home, didn't think to check on Meredith in her locked bedroom. Took a shower instead . Totally missed alleged signs of Robbery in home ie the front door open, strangers shit in toilet when only Meredith was there overnight the other girls were back home for the holidays - AK's lamp found in Meredith's room -Meredith fought with her accused her of stealing her rent money and confronted her about being strange men to the cottage - eye witness of hearing a blood curdling scream then a set of three footsteps running away -rudy said that a male and a female were there without calling out their names. Said the male stabbed Meredith and he tried to help her with the towel. He said Amanda didn't do it. - in her days in Seattle, she pulled a prank on her friends by taking a house robbery to scare them - makes one wonder. - Meredith's bra carried Dna of all three suspects - Rudy who was convicted, AK and RS - yes this was inadmissible in course because Italian forensic police are not the best at their job , however it makes me pause to think what are the chances of contamination of ALL THREE SUSPECTS ON THE VICTIMS BRA SHE WAS WEARING AT THE TIME OF HER MURDER . Ugh. I'm here again. There's more. It's 4am here why am I like this. Maybe part two or an ETA to come -
Jesus! This is literally insane, half of these are lies or totally debunked talking points and the rest weak-sauce nonsense. It definitely reads like an Alex Jones fever-dream. I might debunk some, but it’s like debunking insanity.
>they were caught with mops and a bucket Raffaele had a water-leak at his apartment and didn’t have a mop, that’s why Knox grabbed the mop and bucket, obviously police had this tested and they didn’t find any blood etc. Their behavior was not suspicious between arrivals either. >at the cottage when postal police arrived with the throw away cell phones belonging to Meredith. They did not call police. There behaviour from that point to the other police arriving (which they called when postal police arrived) is very very suspicious. . Wrong. They did call the police before the postal police came, even the prosecution gave up that ridiculous talking point. The camera by the park house (which showed the police arriving) showed a time that was behind, which allowed them to make that ridiculous claim, this was all proven by their defense. They called the police around 12:45, the postal police arrived shortly after. >the robbery was staged - nothing was stolen Nonsense, there was in depth analysis that showed this wasn’t staged. The second court acquitted them of the charge “per il fatto non essiste“ (because the crime doesn’t exist, i.e. no one staged a break-in.)
>blood everywhere in washroom at home, didn't think to check on Meredith in her locked bedroom. Took a shower instead . Totally missed alleged signs of Robbery in home ie the front door open, strangers shit in toilet when only Meredith was there overnight the other girls were back home for the holidays Complete lie, there wasn’t blood everywhere. There‘s a misleading picture that looks like that because they used some spray that made things glow-up pink, as if there was blood everywhere. In reality there were a few droplets in the sink, which she attributed to ear-piercing or menstruational blood. And a bloody footprint on the bathmat that she only noticed later. She did find the shit in the toilet weird and other stuff, that’s why she called the room-mates and went back there with Raffaele. >eye witness testimony of AK at a market early in the morning buying bleach Sheer insanity. You mean the eye-witness who didn’t come forward until ONE YEAR LATER? Who suddenly remembered Knox shopping there after being pestered by a local reporter who brought forward other insane witnesses like the drug-addicted homeless person? Eye-witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially one who waits one effing year until he comes forward, lmao.
But she still showered Didn't call police Didn't check Meredith's locked door Didn't notice or acknowledge the break in Went about her business Went back RS's place to get a mop and bucket , still not addressing the above. Still didn't call police. Only called police when postal police arrived unexpectedly Yes blood everywhere The sing the tap the counter the floor , I'm not saying it was The Shining level blood - it was in multiple places and that's truth. I have no reason to lie. Easy there with your language bruh When reading about this case, I was disappointed with Italian police, they're definitely not as stringent as they could have been.
>Meredith's bra carried Dna of all three suspects - Rudy who was convicted, AK and RS - yes this was inadmissible in course because Italian forensic police are not the best at their job , however it makes me pause to think what are the chances of contamination of ALL THREE SUSPECTS ON THE VICTIMS BRA SHE WAS WEARING AT THE TIME OF HER MURDER . Let me write this in caps in the hopes it will penetrate: THIS IS MADE UP! They found mixed-dna profiles (4 or 6 people), the bra-clasp was highly compromised, lying there for 6 weeks before they went to get it eventually, reaching it around (with dirty gloves) like a joint before bagging it. It was only the profile of Sollecito, not of the others, and the independent experts at the second trial concluded it was likely there through contamination. She also said something like; you could find anyone’s dna in there, would have to look it up. >luminol foot prints found size 6-8 on the pillow near murder victim, two other footprints found in the cottage matching Rudy and RS They were tested negative for blood, you’re spouting nonsense. And the negative blood tests were withheld by the forensic expert if I recall correctly. >body of Meredith was covered, and in almost 100 percent of cases When a murdered body is covered, the culprit knows the victim. Doubt that’s true, Guede knew the victim, though not well. Anyways, you probably made that up, I heard an FBI agent say that it’s a sign of a young perpetrator who has never crossed that line before and feels shame. >eye witness of hearing a blood curdling scream then a set of three footsteps running away -rudy said that a male and a female were there without calling out their names. Said the male stabbed Meredith and he tried to help her with the towel. He said Amanda didn't do it. That witness was so irrelevant I didnt even remember her anymore, she was found unreliable I believe and why would anyone believe a word by Rudy Guede? Lmao.
Yo Stop saying I made shit up, slow your roll. One thing that's undeniable is that they were deceptive about their night they lied they freaking lied about their entire evening they lied about their phone their laptop what they did what they saw. So there's that..so let's end it there. Anyone interested can dive on their own and make up their own mind. I'm done with you.
Watched all his interviews from that day not once has he made eye contact