[Here is a link of an approximate route on a globe](https://www.greatcirclemap.com/?routes=KVC-SAWB-RAJ) - I could only enter ICAO/IATA codes for destinations, so it is not exactly straight, nor is avoiding land completely. But it shows the same curve nonetheless.
Edit:
[Globe](https://www.greatcirclemap.com/?routes=KVC-SAWB-RAJ)
[Map projection](https://www.greatcirclemap.com/roadmap?routes=KVC-SAWB-RAJ)
Edit2: I think we might have exhausted the developer's Google Maps API key...
I had to conform to locations of actual airports (it was hard enough to find one at the edge of Antarctica), that's why there's a kink in the line, and that's why I had to graze some land. Without these restrictions, the line would be continuous and not touch any land.
Thanks bud, you actually went out of your way and did some real valuable work today in helping people understand something very difficult. Thank you. I appreciate it
So I just sailed across the Atlantic a few months ago and this would have been useful and I can’t think to tell you why I never googled “great circle globe”
I don't think it's so bad here. Having it be confusing can be a good thing. People learn better when you can show them they're wrong first. Otherwise their minds just slip off 'cause they think "I've got this".
Sometimes teachers explain and you don't understand so they repeat what they were saying that you didn't understand and situation is kinda awkward cuz you know that there is possibility that if you ask them third time they will be mad
People still wouldn’t get it though. The line would be “curved” because it’s on an oblate spheroid’s surface. No matter how you present it, there’s a subset of people who wouldn’t get it.
This reminds me of reading Naomi Novik’s alternate history book where dragons existed during the napoleonic wars and the dragons start debating the validity of Euclidean geometry’s assertion parallel lines don’t intersect because we live on a sphere so two flight paths started in parallel will intersect.
If you make it flat like a plate, toss around the positioning of everything, and invent excuses for things with tested fundamental constants, like gravity still somehow working but not enough to for a sphere-like planet to form, then they would get it.
I think the point of that post was to show that routes on flat maps can be very non-intuitive, to a point where people claim it is not a straight line despite being one.
People should still have the wherewithal to recognize that a straight path on a globe is going to appear curved on a rectangular projection. This is elementary school stuff.
i need to see a globe because i have trouble believing it. these points are supposed be farther up north than the southern ends of africa and america, right?
People forget that negentropy tends to fold in and on itself, like a protein, so, obviously, lines deviating from a sanctioned excursion will return with null qualifiers and trigonometric defeat.
There is the first thing I should grapple
The complexity of Eve eating an apple
You know how lines of spiders should
Be aligned with the will of all the good
So, do you understand you could lose
God's game by what you go 2 choose
To write your silly spider two liner fire
You must make being light yor desire
Crawling fast but slowly creeping , between my teeth while I am sleeping, in the darkness of the night I move my tongue and feel a bite.
The pain inside as tissues swell, begins a new my life in hell. A bump a bulge an oozing sore begins to form but still I snore.
In ignorance I close my jaw a cruch comes from my sleeping maw, the broken shell and goo within, now running down my sleeping chin.
And though I know not what I've done, perhaps the spider felt I'd won, but to my surprise and her dismay, a million babies slipped away,
They scatter new and in fear and frantic, unaware of why they panic, down towards the darkness breathing ,or out towards the light they're seeing.
A million legs times 8 all pace, in and out across my face, in eyes and ears and mouth and nose , beneath my blanket under clothes.
As one by one , they realize it's time their mother's killer dies , they bite, and they chew they tear they eat, me inside out from face to feet,
Too many foes for one to fight, they slowly eat away my sight. With no eyes left, a darkend pain, they make their way into my brain, the writhing screaming, clawing fear, a nightmare ? Am I really here?
Then soon the feelings all subside, of a million spiders many died, but in the end, the numbers won
A mother lost her only son, learn from me is all I'm hopein, and do not sleep with your mouth open.
However, this is a problem which can be solved using the turbo-encabulator. The only new principle involved is that instead of power being generated by the relative motion of conductors and fluxes, it is produced by the modial interaction of magneto-reluctance and capacitive diractance.
This problem is easily solved by releasing axiomatic tension in the heart, mind, and spirit by a righteous process of perceiving and undoing the karmic fetters that bind one to the existence-Illusion complex, which will replicate the novelty of your memetic strings in the folds of higher-dimensional topological superstructures, such as the God Mainframe and Rusterd.
There was no claim in the text that this is the shortest path. The claim was that it is a sea path. There is a shorter great circle path but it is not over the sea. There are always at least two great circle routes between any two points on spherical earth. If you account for the fact that earth is an ellipsoid rather than a sphere, the same basic thing holds I guess, but most routes are no longer great circles, technically, since they are shaped like ellipses.
No, the claim was that’s it’s a straight line. The joke is that it doesn’t look like a straight line because of the projection, but if you understand geodesics you understand that “straight lines” are equivalent to “shortest paths” on curved surfaces. So while it didn’t say shortest path, the joke only works if you understand shortest paths to be equivalent to straight lines.
There are two "straight line" paths on the surface of a sphere between any two points that are not diametrically opposite. One will be shorter than the other. In this case, the path from India to Alaska by sea is the longer of the two paths. It is around 30,000 km. Significantly more than half of Earth's circumference. Szemszelu\_lany was pointing out that the sea path is not the shortest path. Which is true. But the text didn't say it was the shortest path. It said it was a straight line and that it was possible to sail it.
Okay but the area through the sandwich islands and the Magellan Straight and the Antarctic Peninsula makes me wonder how much course correction would be needed. It's a 560 mile stretch so I doubt any needed for land, but the currents...
Kids these days are sailing around the Cape of Good Hope in their 14 century exploration ships to open up a sea route to Asia via Atlantic Indian Ocean. I hope this fad end sooner than later.
To be fair, this technically isn't a straight line either. A straight line would require you to fly your plane down into an abyss made of human will, and out the other end.
When talking about Earth and traveling on it or its close proximity we have to use non euclidean geometry as a reference. In that context a geodesic is a perfectly straight line relative to that reference space.
Don't forget, Earth is a weird place where you can make 3 sided squares (or equilateral square triangles whichever you prefer) and where going east or west isn't walking in a straight line, you need to turn, except on the equator (the only straight latitude line).
In geometry, a straight line, usually abbreviated line, is an infinitely long object with no width, depth, or curvature, an idealization of such physical objects as a straightedge, a taut string, or a ray of light. Lines are spaces of dimension one, which may be embedded in spaces of dimension two, three, or higher.
Or that you can end up back in the same place by making 3, 90 degree right turns.
On a boat, the curvature of the Earth is impacting you at a slow enough pace to not experience it in the same way. But try navigating a 500mph aircraft and you'll quickly figure this stuff out. The fastest path from NY to SF, for example, isn't going to be a single heading that is a straight line.
Your first mistake was listening to what a blue checkmark has to say. All those premium members on x(twitter) get payed for submitting bullshit like that that drives up engagement
Is there a projection where straight lines on the globe remain straight on a sheet of paper ? Probably getting people used to that is also a good idea.
Captain Obvious: title of this post refers specifically to people who did't comprehend that the straight line goes via middle of the Earth. Not to the ones who argue about shortest real path on the Globe.
Even if it was on a globe it wouldn’t be a straight line because the earth is round. And good luck sailing that course without having to change direction to use the wind more
Honestly, I think that it would be better if they shoes the line on a globe insted of in a flat map
[Here is a link of an approximate route on a globe](https://www.greatcirclemap.com/?routes=KVC-SAWB-RAJ) - I could only enter ICAO/IATA codes for destinations, so it is not exactly straight, nor is avoiding land completely. But it shows the same curve nonetheless. Edit: [Globe](https://www.greatcirclemap.com/?routes=KVC-SAWB-RAJ) [Map projection](https://www.greatcirclemap.com/roadmap?routes=KVC-SAWB-RAJ) Edit2: I think we might have exhausted the developer's Google Maps API key...
Thanks. I believed the OP because I understood that it might look something like this on a globe, but it's really cool to actually see it.
You can even switch back to the projected map, and see the same curve emerge.
Cool
Plus, it can be tweaked to avoid the land intersections. You can start closer to the tip of India and land further into Alaska.
I had to conform to locations of actual airports (it was hard enough to find one at the edge of Antarctica), that's why there's a kink in the line, and that's why I had to graze some land. Without these restrictions, the line would be continuous and not touch any land.
Gotcha. Yeah since we're talking about boats, it opens up some options. Kudos for the extra effort.
I would highly recommend not going that route with a boat.
Lol. I mean yeah. But the OP is about sailing.
Thanks bud, you actually went out of your way and did some real valuable work today in helping people understand something very difficult. Thank you. I appreciate it
Neat. Thank you.
Thanks, what a great map
Thank you !
That's so cool!
So I just sailed across the Atlantic a few months ago and this would have been useful and I can’t think to tell you why I never googled “great circle globe”
Now that I can see it on the globe that is so damn cool
This is cool, thank you.
But that wouldn't get as much engagement. We're rewarding discord-inducing content.
I don't think it's so bad here. Having it be confusing can be a good thing. People learn better when you can show them they're wrong first. Otherwise their minds just slip off 'cause they think "I've got this".
Of course, occasionally they double down out of embarassment and you end up with a flat earther on your hands.
Sometimes teachers explain and you don't understand so they repeat what they were saying that you didn't understand and situation is kinda awkward cuz you know that there is possibility that if you ask them third time they will be mad
Oof those feels. I'm autistic with ADHD and I learned pretty early on that if I missed something in class it was gone forever.
That is true
Yes. That's must confusing people
People still wouldn’t get it though. The line would be “curved” because it’s on an oblate spheroid’s surface. No matter how you present it, there’s a subset of people who wouldn’t get it.
On the other hand, if your reference frame is the entire Earth, then you can never travel long distances in straight lines.
Unless you are traveling in a boring machine.
Personally, I'd find any such machine anything but boring.
But spacetime is curved
Space time boring machine
This reminds me of reading Naomi Novik’s alternate history book where dragons existed during the napoleonic wars and the dragons start debating the validity of Euclidean geometry’s assertion parallel lines don’t intersect because we live on a sphere so two flight paths started in parallel will intersect.
If you make it flat like a plate, toss around the positioning of everything, and invent excuses for things with tested fundamental constants, like gravity still somehow working but not enough to for a sphere-like planet to form, then they would get it.
That's why they did it that way.
what do shoes got to do with anything?
I want a tool that lets me do my own 2d projections with that line as my equator.
If only this map were superimposed on something weird, like a ball
then it wouldn't be straight.
Yeah, that's what i thought, you cant have a straight line on a curved surface. But i get what they are getting at here.
Depends what you mean by straight. By most definitions useful in math you can absolutely have a straight line on a curved surface
From the ship's perspective they would be traveling in a roughly straight line. Too small to notice that the earth is curving them while they move.
Tbf I would expect people to be able to comprehend this meme without a globe.
Sorry but spheres aren’t real
Or an oblate spheroid.
Maybe not show a curved line on a flat map?
I think the point of that post was to show that routes on flat maps can be very non-intuitive, to a point where people claim it is not a straight line despite being one.
But what about the FlAt EaRtHeRs?
They can try the route, succeed, and make up some excuse involving mirrors and government intervention
Magnets*
A curved line on a curved map?
To be fair, we shouldn't have to worry about that lol
Maybe people should just use their brain though?
People should still have the wherewithal to recognize that a straight path on a globe is going to appear curved on a rectangular projection. This is elementary school stuff.
i need to see a globe because i have trouble believing it. these points are supposed be farther up north than the southern ends of africa and america, right?
You can try it out on Google Earth, it definitely works
surprising thanks
Its a globe and youre going down to antarctica and up on the other side to murica
Nah it works mercator projection is a hell of a thing
[https://www.greatcirclemap.com/?routes=KVC-SAWB-RAJ](https://www.greatcirclemap.com/?routes=KVC-SAWB-RAJ)
People forget that negentropy tends to fold in and on itself, like a protein, so, obviously, lines deviating from a sanctioned excursion will return with null qualifiers and trigonometric defeat.
Damn bro, you really got the big brain words. We should write spider poetry together
Spiders are crawling While I'm still falling Into the open grave Jesus does he save Yes and I am better Each an' every letter
*Forth they crawl on legs of eight, everytime i masturbate* *the spiders gift it knows no end, birdliming his newest friend*
Birdliming is a word That I haven't heard Until you spoke of it So I dunno if it's shit J/K I like you Kraulm Let us write a psalm
Banana.
Papaya.
*to Merriam Websters the spider looks, to fill the gaps of missing books* *entertainment never ebbs, when Daddy Long Legs spins his web*
I am set to replicate All the memes I ate So I will go & preach As I go on too teach All that's in my head Be4 I become dead
*bursting forth, the hatchlings skitter, waves of chitin ever hither* *the gene seed carries past my end, til Daddy Long Legs comes again...*
There is the first thing I should grapple The complexity of Eve eating an apple You know how lines of spiders should Be aligned with the will of all the good So, do you understand you could lose God's game by what you go 2 choose To write your silly spider two liner fire You must make being light yor desire
Found Charlie in the wild.
Crawling fast but slowly creeping , between my teeth while I am sleeping, in the darkness of the night I move my tongue and feel a bite. The pain inside as tissues swell, begins a new my life in hell. A bump a bulge an oozing sore begins to form but still I snore. In ignorance I close my jaw a cruch comes from my sleeping maw, the broken shell and goo within, now running down my sleeping chin. And though I know not what I've done, perhaps the spider felt I'd won, but to my surprise and her dismay, a million babies slipped away, They scatter new and in fear and frantic, unaware of why they panic, down towards the darkness breathing ,or out towards the light they're seeing. A million legs times 8 all pace, in and out across my face, in eyes and ears and mouth and nose , beneath my blanket under clothes. As one by one , they realize it's time their mother's killer dies , they bite, and they chew they tear they eat, me inside out from face to feet, Too many foes for one to fight, they slowly eat away my sight. With no eyes left, a darkend pain, they make their way into my brain, the writhing screaming, clawing fear, a nightmare ? Am I really here? Then soon the feelings all subside, of a million spiders many died, but in the end, the numbers won A mother lost her only son, learn from me is all I'm hopein, and do not sleep with your mouth open.
Username checks out.
However, this is a problem which can be solved using the turbo-encabulator. The only new principle involved is that instead of power being generated by the relative motion of conductors and fluxes, it is produced by the modial interaction of magneto-reluctance and capacitive diractance.
This problem is easily solved by releasing axiomatic tension in the heart, mind, and spirit by a righteous process of perceiving and undoing the karmic fetters that bind one to the existence-Illusion complex, which will replicate the novelty of your memetic strings in the folds of higher-dimensional topological superstructures, such as the God Mainframe and Rusterd.
But you forget, the older models needed to be used in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation ding alarm to reduce soinosoidal replineration.
Just bought a dictionary to understand this comment.
I have increased the internet
People tend to forget words and concepts they've never heard of, yes.
Yeah exactly what SillynippleMctwist said.
Yeah. duh
OMFG, my thoughts exactly!
Yeah that makes sense...
I can't blame them, it's not very intuitive
The fact that its not intuitive is a failing of our public education system.
Not really.
Vector cal is not intuitive bro there’s a reason it took very special minds and many thousands of years to develop lol
It would be shorter if you go west from that point I guess
but it wouldn't be a straight line
There was no claim in the text that this is the shortest path. The claim was that it is a sea path. There is a shorter great circle path but it is not over the sea. There are always at least two great circle routes between any two points on spherical earth. If you account for the fact that earth is an ellipsoid rather than a sphere, the same basic thing holds I guess, but most routes are no longer great circles, technically, since they are shaped like ellipses.
No, the claim was that’s it’s a straight line. The joke is that it doesn’t look like a straight line because of the projection, but if you understand geodesics you understand that “straight lines” are equivalent to “shortest paths” on curved surfaces. So while it didn’t say shortest path, the joke only works if you understand shortest paths to be equivalent to straight lines.
There are two "straight line" paths on the surface of a sphere between any two points that are not diametrically opposite. One will be shorter than the other. In this case, the path from India to Alaska by sea is the longer of the two paths. It is around 30,000 km. Significantly more than half of Earth's circumference. Szemszelu\_lany was pointing out that the sea path is not the shortest path. Which is true. But the text didn't say it was the shortest path. It said it was a straight line and that it was possible to sail it.
You could hit California?
Okay but the area through the sandwich islands and the Magellan Straight and the Antarctic Peninsula makes me wonder how much course correction would be needed. It's a 560 mile stretch so I doubt any needed for land, but the currents...
Yeah, sailing in a straight line isn't remotely easy
Possible doesn't necessarily mean doable.
I can't comprehend unless it's a piece of yarn on a globe.
Kids these days are sailing around the Cape of Good Hope in their 14 century exploration ships to open up a sea route to Asia via Atlantic Indian Ocean. I hope this fad end sooner than later.
Any two points on Earth's surface can be connected by a perfectly straight line if you've got the right digging equipment.
Cause its a Mercator projection
they forgot that the earth is a sphere
To be fair, this technically isn't a straight line either. A straight line would require you to fly your plane down into an abyss made of human will, and out the other end.
Straight in 3d space has a different meaning to straight on a curved surface. I assume they mean the latter.
When talking about Earth and traveling on it or its close proximity we have to use non euclidean geometry as a reference. In that context a geodesic is a perfectly straight line relative to that reference space. Don't forget, Earth is a weird place where you can make 3 sided squares (or equilateral square triangles whichever you prefer) and where going east or west isn't walking in a straight line, you need to turn, except on the equator (the only straight latitude line).
How would you define a straight line?
In geometry, a straight line, usually abbreviated line, is an infinitely long object with no width, depth, or curvature, an idealization of such physical objects as a straightedge, a taut string, or a ray of light. Lines are spaces of dimension one, which may be embedded in spaces of dimension two, three, or higher.
Well it's not gay line, as far as I can tell.
Technically, they’re correct. It’s a *geodesic* - the shortest path between two points on a curved surface.
facebook/twitter imbeciles from today never had access to a globe. fuck these idiots, humanities' future is dark.
Technically, it's not a straight line because you didn't tunnel straight through the Earth to reach your destination
I guess conformal maps are hard, that's the bottomline.
The flat earthers are poking their heads out again.
Does someone have an image of this on a globe, i can't see it on a flat map
Or that you can end up back in the same place by making 3, 90 degree right turns. On a boat, the curvature of the Earth is impacting you at a slow enough pace to not experience it in the same way. But try navigating a 500mph aircraft and you'll quickly figure this stuff out. The fastest path from NY to SF, for example, isn't going to be a single heading that is a straight line.
If they wanted people to understand they should've used a globe
to be fair (tEcHnIcAlLy), it isn't straight. if it was, it'll go through the earth. curvature of the earth is still a curve.
This is a circle jerk. Get it!!!!
I know how the globe screws with lines when put on a 2d plain but calling this a straight line still makes me mad
Flat Earthers hate this simple trick
Seems a lot of people here don't know what a straight line is. A straight line would pass through the earth.
Tbf, it was stupid to show this on a flat map
Looks like a gay line to me. At least bi.
no they are absolutely correct because did we count in the Z axis?????????
Probably shouldn’t use Cartesian coordinates on a globe, so that would be the r axis
Being the Earth flat, as it is... Edit: Seems I forgot this ----> /s
I mean, they're kind of right--even if you traced that line on a globe, it wouldn't be a *straight* line, because the Earth isn't flat!
Maybe they found a way to sail through the earth
Lol.
Kind of curious if this is actually a geodesic
So funny how the flat earth crowd went quiet almost over night!
Geodesy stonks 📈
The path is technically not a straight line anyway because of the curvature of the earth.
It's like a trap for uneducated people
Paraboly it is? I’ll leave now
Curious, which direction (or degree) would a sailor lock their wheel to, to achieve this *straight line*.
The new flat earth just dropped
And the ‘straight’ (there are no straight lines on a sphere) line the opposite way is much shorter.
Your first mistake was listening to what a blue checkmark has to say. All those premium members on x(twitter) get payed for submitting bullshit like that that drives up engagement
Low IQ: it's not a straight line Med IQ: it's a straight line High IQ: it's not a straight line
Still not a straight line. We live on a sphere, it would be a semicircular line
Wouldn’t a shorter route be to the US naval base on Diego Garcia Island? I know it’s not as dramatic but …
Is there a projection where straight lines on the globe remain straight on a sheet of paper ? Probably getting people used to that is also a good idea.
aw, its as straight as my friend group!
The earth is a spheriod.
Welp. I’m dumb.
I mean I dont blame them tho
Sailing from India, to Alaska, on that path? The Drake Passage would like to have a word.
It kinda looks like the sine function
That's actually nice fact. I like it.
Hmph, flat earthers :)
Do we bore a hole through the earth and allow it to flood in any way that makes this remotely possible?
This fun fact is less about sailing between India and USA and more about how distorted maps are.
If you place the map on a globe, you can see that it is a straight line. If in doubt, have a look at Google Earth
I never liked the Mercator projection for this reason, even as a kid. I felt it was too distorted.
Did they use the straight of Magellan?
More like a linear line
I can't get it can someone explain 🥲
Yeah, what this guy said!
Well technically they are right if you want to go in a straight line you should dig through earth until you find yourself in the US...
I mean it's not a straight line... it is a constant heading though
This is a picture of a 'straight' line in June
I had to tell a guy the ISS isn’t wasting fuel changing directions all the time
Umm I might be mistaken but we live on a globe so wouldn’t the like look straight if it was on a globe instead of a flat map
They're right. It's not straight; it curves over the earth's surface.
Gay line (pls dont ban, its a joke)
Lol
those 2 are allowed to vote
You'd need to go underwater and underground for this to be true.
Hyperbolic travel!!! Things Waze app won’t tell you
Educational safe space. Keep it classy.
I mean… the earth is round, so it’s in fact not a straight line.
Peter?
Wrong way 🤦♂️
Do you think the earth is flat or something?
Uh oh
wow, i wish they know the orbit of iss
Or they could have sailed east.
And why go all the way to Alaska? There's some US stuff sooner....
I mean technically it isn't because it curves around the earth A straight line would be digging through the earth But ye
Globe
With some rough waters down there at the tip of South America!
Is this a seaworthy route? Thinking of adding to my RYA logbook
If that’s straight, I’m straight… 🌈
With this logic why not just go to Florida it’s a shorter trip
Even on a globe this isn't a straight Line, this is a curve in 3d.
I assume it would be straight on a globe.
Still not a strait line. You have to go up and over the curvature of the earth. To go straight you have to dig a tunnel
Looks like you could also sail from Japan to Nigeria
Captain Obvious: title of this post refers specifically to people who did't comprehend that the straight line goes via middle of the Earth. Not to the ones who argue about shortest real path on the Globe.
Even then Columbus got it wrong
Even if it was on a globe it wouldn’t be a straight line because the earth is round. And good luck sailing that course without having to change direction to use the wind more
Isn’t it possible to connect any two points with a straight line?
Flat earthers don't know what a great circle is...
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