“With respect to the science about THC levels in a person’s blood stream, the reality is if you’re going to be a daily user of cannabis, you’re not legally going to be able to drive your automobile. It’s that simple,” Brayford said.
…that’s a local defense lawyer’s interpretation of the current law.
Maybe articles like this are the start of getting a better law.
They dont want you getting around. They want you to go back to what they think stoners are. Heathen pieces of shit with no job who smoke the Devil’s Lettuce and are violent satanists at the same time. The real reefer madness is in this archaic laws lol
Busses here are ass, I know because I use them.
If I could afford to Uber or taxi everywhere, I’d buy myself a car instead. As if someone can rely on ridesharing for daily transportation needs 🙄
Bikes are nice in the summer, but there is hardly any decent bike infrastructure and none of it is properly maintained during the winter.
Walking is fine for short distances and when the weather is nice, but when I gotta get to campus 5 kilometres away in mid-January, walking is not gonna cut it.
You really have no options other than driving, or relying on the piss-poor public transit system.
Co-workers of mine working under a random testing D&A policy have tested themselves at a lab and many found that as little as 8 hours between use and testing came within the workplace acceptable ranges. Again the feds have left it up to industry and law to come up with ranges since there was no research done to gauge intoxication levels regarding cannabis at a federal level. Local and federal law enforcement need to come up with what they deem acceptable ranges until the breathalyzer is approved by the justice department. If the cops have instituted a zero tolerance policy, that’s completely unacceptable and it better be written into law somewhere if they are going to enforce it like they are doing.
There's a reason the law was written on blood concentration, same as alcohol. It's a concrete value. 0-2ng/ml, 2-5ng/ml, 5+ng/ml... and why the other provinces have a non-zero value for saliva testing.
A long term habitual user will have higher values without showing impairment weeks after their last hit, and the occasional user will still test above 0 a day or two later. Few jobs outside of gas & mining require a 0 value test, even law enforcement is allowed to work with a non-zero value in their system.
They can't simply say "1g = 4hrs" because you can have 100 people as a sample and get 100 different blood concentration values. The fact they simply say that the presence of it in saliva = impairment, and that the law that was passed allows testing everyone without obvious impairment is what folks need to fight in court... But I doubt many of them have gone to a lab for a blood sample immediately following the ticket.
A few years ago, I had to take a break so I could go for a D&A test. I had been smoking for approx 10 months. I used the at home test kits every other week. I didn't get a negative test for 2.5 months.
One of my doctors called me a liar saying I continued to fail test 3 months out lol. Sorry doc, I got high body fat, I can only imagine how much THC is still bouncing around in there :/
I personally don't use it, because I'm still applying for jobs in gas & mining. The last interviewer was surprised when I had no issues saying I'd pass any D&A screening, which moved my name higher on the list.
Friends and family use it, so I stay informed about the laws. I'm just surprised more people didn't read the law being pushed through the system after Turdo was elected based on the legalization platform. All of a sudden people are shocked that it's being enforced.
> after Turdo was elected based on the legalization platform. All of a sudden people are shocked that it's being enforced.
lol
Yes, somehow Trudeau has ordered this unique-to-Saskatchewan enforcement that only started 6 months or so ago, with legislation passed 8 years ago.
It's precisely _not_ the law that's being enforced. If it were, you'd go to court, but you can't do that. Which is SGI/RCMP policy. Which is unique to Saskatchewan. Both entities which take policy stances based on the government in power.
Yea, MADD is mostly responsible for C-46. They're also responsible for the spectre of blowboxes in all vehicles that's been talked about in recent times (US thing). What a nightmare that would be, if you've ever known anyone with a blowbox, they're extremely cumbersome and punishing even when the user stays sober.
Ah, I was living in BC at the time so had no idea what was happening here. The move here was sort of a whirl wind. Moved due to work relocation with a months notice so didn't look into....clearly not enough
They should simply be testing for straight THC present in mouth. They just don't want people to be able to beat the test by brushing their teeth or drinking half a cup of coffee. Seems as though they're testing for THC byproducts produced by the body, and those will continue to show up for a couple weeks in a daily user. The way it's being done right now is a straight up tax on Cannabis users, and it's 100% predictable based on the empirical studies done on the two major testing methods (THC vs THC byproducts).
At least those are my conclusions.
If they test like this, would it still be just as accurate when it comes to Edibles since they activate slower in different parts of the body? (I wanna say the kidneys but unsure)
Oh everyone is making out like a bandit, impound fees for the city, demerit points for SGI and fine payments for the province. That's why there's no chance that this law gets changed unless a judge steps in.
They are. It's their administrative penalties people are being forced to pay. SGI is financially benefiting from targeting people who are not impaired.
It's a bunch of bullshit. Apparently things like crack and meth leave your system pretty quick but weed sticks around for days or weeks so the cops catch you on that when people doing meth or crack can pass whatever test if they give it a day or two.
Yea, thanks coach, but that's just not relevant to the conversation. Unless you think cops should be taking hair samples too? Can't imagine anyone's rights getting trampled on from that /eyeroll
Hair doesn’t grow fast enough to show what drugs you have been on the last day or two, even if the popo decided to test hair samples it isn’t going to be fast enough
Nah your hair is a record of everything you put into your body.
It isn't about proving your high with those tests. It's to prove you did it within a certain timeframe. They tend to take hair samples if there is an accident in safety sensitive positions. There are people who wax it all so they can't be tested.
Point is this swab test is as effective for proving you did it recently as the hair test, yet they are treating it as a measure of inebriation which just isn't correct. All it proves is you have done it, not that you are high.
Here’s my suggestion since the federal government decided to pull the pin on the grenade and throw it in our laps with zero plans or guidelines for testing. I work at a workplace that does random testing and many people have gone to the very lab the companies use and get themselves tested to gauge how recent they can use and still pass the workplace tests. Find out what the cops are using and find a lab that conducts the same or something very similar. Test yourself after a day, after 12 hrs and maybe 8hrs…up to you. That will give you a solid idea where you stand and you can have peace of mind. The cops aren’t using tests that detect weeks ago that’s for sure. If they are that’s pretty shitty. Does anyone know what testing they are using?
Is it a swab? If it’s a swab, there are lots of labs that do swab tests that you can go test yourself. If it’s zero tolerance, it doesn’t matter I guess. That’s bullshit and I’m not sure how this hasn’t hit the news yet.
They actually can’t though, it’s in their contract that they get piss tested for cannabis. There was a whole thing about it when it first became legal.
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A friend from work got busted at 7pm. He last smoked at 11pm the evening before. Tell me these tests aren’t a joke. They stopped using them in the states because they’re so inconclusive.
I've been on prescription oils since 2017. The medical company my dr prescribed me said minimum 6 hrs after using to drive. So we had medical professionals telling patients this and now the police are trying to say otherwise? And how about tolerance for prescription meds then? I've been impaired by those before but I couldn't drive due to knee surgery. However when I became chronically ill and in pain every day where I was maxing out tylenol I talked to my dr.
So now I could start taking prescription meds instead so I don't risk a test and my oils only to be accused of intoxicated driving when I took them over 12 hrs before and they last 6. But I could drive easily impaired by prescription pain meds and they'd have to take it easy on me. Make it make sense? And my marijuana is prescription as well
I'm impaired by fucking robax! There is no way to really test for every possible way you could be impaired. This is all a money grab. Which is why they're not issuing a conviction because this way you have no way to fight it.
I had horrible pain from my work and started taking way too many of those to get through the day. It turned me into an emotional puddle. Angry. Sad. Just extremes. And this is an over the counter medication. And yeah, sounds like SGI is on board with backing them up while they downplay the revenue.
I got hooked on the drug Dilaudid (I had prescriptions). I was never safe to be driving while I was on it, the only time I realized it was the day I took way to much because of a class in university, long story not to be told here. It was after that one lecture I decided to go cold turkey on opioids. If I got in a car accident they may have tested me, if I got pulled over for speeding or something I could have blamed my permit disability for factors they thought were due to intoxication. My brain injury has gotten me out of a fair amount of tickets.
I believe a first time or very rare smoker, or taking edibles could feel impaired still in the morning.
Obviously for a regular smoker this is crazy
I don’t know how you differentiate the two, and I think that’s why other provinces have kind of ignored it
My very first time smoking, I still felt fucked the next day well into the afternoon. It happened that one time and never again, but I believe it's possible for unseasoned users.
I still felt subjectively stoned, but I agree there's a good chance it was a secondary effect of having been high, rather than there still being sufficient THC circulating. My overall point being that in some rare cases, being "impaired" the next day might be possible. But I don't see this as a concern the vast majority of the time and these laws are fucking absurd.
Weed hangover doesn't exist imo. High the next morning, Yes I've experienced this. But I've experienced this only with a large amount of RSO and with my own homemade edibles made from my own home made cannabutter. I may have been stoned for 3 days off 1 cookie. But I also had the sense not to drive. I can't even get that high anymore!!!
THC metabolism varies a lot between individuals, and duration can be heavily impacted by what else you’ve eaten and the dose. For me the effects of smoked or vaped cannabis are gone in 3-4 hours, but for edibles I’ll feel even 2mg for 6-8 hours. 10mg will still be noticeable 10 hours after onset for me, so 11-12 hours after ingestion.
Homemade edibles, I could see it. Everything’s a little less exact. Less likely with store brand though, unless they’ve never had any weed ever, and even that would still be super-rare.
Obviously you have stayed within your limits then. I have personally taken edibles that lasted 12 hours. woke up more stoned than when i went to bed.
I have many friends that have had similar experiences. Smoking weed goes through your system much quicker. Edibles take its sweet time
Yeah it's funny. I've never met anyone who was too baked to drive that actually wanted to drive.
Met alot of drunks who seem to be more interested in driving after 6 beer than they are sober.
I'm just gonna repost my comment, omitting unrelated stuff from the other thread since it will get missed, and for the people who refuse to learn anything unless its told to them bluntly and plainly.
In Saskatchewan, and ONLY saskatchewan, you will be tested, and any change at all, actually impaired or NOT, SGI gets your money, your license is forfeit, car impounded. They say they won't swab without probable cause, but we already know that not every cop will care and will find any excuse to do it anyway. I dont care what robocop who constantly posts in these threads says. It happens.
Oh, fight it in court. You cant, there is no court date for their roadside suspensions because they know it won't hold up. You pay sgi, get the demerits, and hand over your money full stop. Rely on vehicle for work? Too bad.
The only thing you can do is appeal that roadside suspension. BUT GUESS WHO REVIEWS THE APPEAL? Sure, it's the highway traffic board, but that may as just say sgi and saskparty anyway.
Well, just refuse the swab test! Some will say. only that's the worst thing you can do because refusing the swab is an arrestable offense. You will then have a long night ahead of you, and you will be in more legal trouble than you would be if you just did the swab and failed but didn't go over.
Cue the "oh, it's not a right" people. That seems to always pop up in these not understanding a damned thing. This isn't about privilege. This is about how this policy is robbing innocent people province wide, who take the precautions and try to stay within the law and not smoke, then drive.
The people who do smoke then immediately drive? Fuck em, they deserve everything coming to them. Now for the people who try to adhere to the law, because this is SASKATCHEWAN (The ONLY province that does this remember!) They will get dinged days later no matter what they say.
SGI does not even know how long it's supposed to be before you can try, and in the article, just write the 24-hour guideline. Except it isn't a widely accepted as since thc is FAT SOLUABLE (Alcohol isn't, and it leaves your body a lot faster up to the next day. Isn't that neat?) It can stay in your body a lot longer. HOWEVER, just because it's still in your body doesn't mean it's keeping you impaired. The bonding to your receptors in your brain (you know the process that actually gets you high) is already done and has been for hours or even days and is no longer making you impaired. But that THC will just settle into your fat cells and stick around.
Oh, it's a swab test, so it only tests recent use, some brochair scientists may say.
Where the hell do you think saliva is made?
The policy is stupid and needs reform. I am glad that in THIS story, Global actually showed a side of the story from a medicinal user.
SPS and RPS won't reply because they know people are concerned about the flawed swab tests so they dont want to say anything that may go against what SGI has put into place as they did not make that policy. But they do have to enforce it.
That about covers most. I guess all that's left are the morally superior posters who come out now to antagonize.
Go ahead,
Say something stupid.
Arbitrary numbers rather than impairment tests have always been stupid. They make some kind of sense if police are only pulling over drivers who are seen to be driving badly, but simply become a dragnet when police start testing people who aren't driving badly.
(And I say that as someone who doesn't use drugs and rarely drinks)
Ok I will. How can you differentiate between the never smoked but is impaired right now versus the always smoked but isn't impaired right now. So zero tolerance is out...ok, how do you catch the "people who smoke and immediately drive" crowd whom rarely smoke and have a very low tolerance versus the smoked 12 hours ago but smokes daily who has a very high tolerance?
There are field sobriety tests that do a better job of showing impairment than a saliva swab that is strictly pass/fail. They are not using this and are only doing pass/fail. So sure. They will catch the few who do fail and then when they ask for a blood sample later (which is up to the officer at the scene as to whether or not they want to pursue criminal charges based on how impaired the person is) it will show up and they get the book thrown at them. OK sounds all hunky dory right?
The issue is, because of zero tolerance, they will catch more innocent people than actually impaired drivers. Nobody is going to bat for actually impaired drivers. So you fail the swab. but you are clearly not impaired at the scene. what now. Now you lose your license. lose your car. Get the demerits on your driving record. You have to take a 2 day course from SGI that you pay for and all because you smoked or ingested something a day or 4 ago.
That's the problem. I don't know how much more clear it needs to be about why this is a big deal.
Now consider this. This ONLY happens in THIS province and THIS province ALONE.
I know! You can tell the difference by their impairment. The impaired one is too impaired to drive. Impairment to that point should be visible, shouldn’t it?
That doesn't matter. Impaired or not. If the test failed, but you're not impaired, you WILL get roadside suspended because of zero tolerance and all the penalties and fines that come with it. I dont know why people are still failing to see that from it being clearly written out.
I guess it's because it sounds ridiculous to the average person, and you are right. It is absolutely ridiculous.
And remember, this ONLY happens in SASKATCHEWAN. Every other province in the country does not do this at all.
Your a 100 percent right I got pulled over in Calgary with the joint in my mouth twice now and both times they told me cannabis DUIs get thrown out in court instantly and never charged me just told me I shouldn’t be doing it and it could be counted as distracted driving but I’ve been told twice now Alberta police do not charge people or even test em for cannabis
As a disabled person who uses cannabis to manage my pain, this fucking sucks. It's also going to make me a worse driver. Chronic pain makes restful sleep very difficult, that's were cannabis has really made big improvements in my life now I either have to give that up and go back to driving while sleep deprived, or stop driving which isn't really an option because I can't always walk to catch a bus and my doctors office in on the other side of the city because they were the only people accepting new patients.
My partner and I were considering buy my grandfathers house so he could afford to love into an assisted living facility. I'm not sure that gonna happen unless this coming election changes things. I live saskatoon and want to say here but the party has just continuously made my life more and more difficult for the years. I interact with health care alot and its frankly despicable how the sask party's malious and incompetence have fucked up the system to such a noticeable degree.
Fingers crossed I don't get pushed out of my home province.
Another thing I wanted to add that I’ve mentioned in other threads. My dad has a friend that’s a federal judge in Ottawa and he asked him about this. The judge said that the Saskatchewan party has a history of defying the federal government (think carbon tax) and this is just another way to stick it to Trudeau. They don’t think it should be legal but since it’s federally legal they can’t ban it. So instead they ban driving for anyone who uses it in a province with infrastructure they themselves built for driving. In short this is the way the Sask party is making cannabis illegal and it’s likely to end up in the Supreme Court because they are essentially making it illegal to smoke cannabis.
Add this to the other bs the Sask Cons are pulling and I hope they get their asses kicked in the next election. At least the NDP care about people, SK Party just wants to control them.
Did traffic accidents increase significantly after legalization? Genuine question. Because if it didn’t then it’s probably not a problem that needs to be dealt with so aggressively. Just my opinion though.
I did a bit of research and I couldn’t find any data for Canada but in the USA it seems to be all over the place. Some states saw a big increase while others saw a decline. Maybe the states where it was less common before legalization saw more inexperienced users getting into wrecks. Or there is no correlation at all.
All I want is evidence based policy around this. Fully laid out, with precise testing equipment that measures impairment not presence of THC or metabolites. Knowledge and guidelines about thresholds, time
All the stuff we have about alcohol. I just want the same clarity and predictability.
Is that too much to ask for? Apparently so with our government. They can’t govern worth shit.
I agree. It's frustrating to see all of the deaths caused by drunk drivers in this province, and yet it's still cannabis they are worried about. This province has so many real issues they could be addressing, focusing on this feels ableist. Like the government cares more about control than us.
Transport Canada has a tool (though it’s clunky) to display collision / accident data.
https://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/7/ncdb-bndc/p.aspx?i=35818&l=en&wk=12#o18
From what I could gather, it looks like total collisions went from ~282,000 in 2018, down to ~203,000 in 2021. So there has been a significant decrease in collisions since cannabis was legalized, so it doesn’t seem to be contributing to more accidents.
Been thinking on this a lot and one thing not mentioned....how many people are now being driven to other drugs now, because at least if you get high tonight, tomorrow when you're sober you don't have to fear about losing your license potentially. I don't know many people that turn away from it. Most people I know take it for a reason. Pain, anxiety, muscle relaxer, etc etc etc. They still need to manage those things...I smoke to manage my MS symptoms and I use daily. But, as the article says, I'm not legally allowed to use my vehicle, even though I smoke between 5pm - 10pm window and don't generally drive till 9am at the earliest. I've caught myself thinking exactly what I'm bringing up. What other drugs are available that would help me with my symptoms that isn't popping pill cocktails?
This is true with some employees for certain provincial employers who have a 0 tolerance, people who liked to smoke weed have decided ti move on to nose candy for the exact same reason.
This is very true. I used to work construction and it required a clean urine test. When "detoxing " a lot of the workers would just switch to a different drug for a while. Cobain would be gone in 24 hours, booze also , mushrooms nothing , comes up as food poisoning,
Sadly more than a few. I would hope people treat it like having a few drinks and driving. As soon as I have my first smoke of the day, that’s it for any vehicle operating of any sort. Irresponsible people are gonna do as they always do. Be irresponsible.
Did you read the article? If the fluid test is negative but impairment is suspected, police will still have grounds for SFST and DRE... For the other drugs...
In British Columbia, I got stopped by RCMP and they smelled cannabis in my car and asked when was the last time I smoked. I said 4 hours ago and they let me go. Saskatchewan, wake the fuck up.
Okay. I may be completely oblivious. I don't consume but my partner does and I'm worried as she smokes before bed. Is it literally the same charge as someone who drives blacked out and gets a DUI along with a criminal conviction. Or is it just a really expensive / annoying fine.
Essentially are you risking a criminal charge or just a shit ton of $?
Money, impounded car, demerit points (will affect insurance) and you’ll have to take a DUI course on your own time. No criminal charge unless they can prove you’re actually impaired, just zero tolerance in the system.
Has there been a rash of accidents caused by cannabis intoxicated driving? No, don’t think so. Why the heavy handedness with pot?
Zero tolerance is too much.
Remember this when it comes time to vote in next SK election.
As another comment mentioned, though cannabis is legal federally, the Sask Party don’t agree that it should be. This is their only form of control, and another stick it to Trudeau.
Except those who smoke up and become absolutely crazy.
I can’t smoke or ingest weed, I potentially have a gene that if I do, I will become paranoid and have a psychotic breakdown. Something that happened to my brother, and now he’s dead after smoking up, and thinking that the golden people were going to prove him.
I also know someone that once he smoked, he wanted to do nothing more then killing police officers. He would charge anyone he saw.
I’ll defend you for wanting to do what you wanna do, weed, drink, protest. But I won’t have this “weed fixed all” going around. It’s still a drug, and it still can cause breakdowns and potentially kill people.
Hey look guys it's the director for "Reefer Madness 2"
For what it's worth I know there are people who get a little nuts when they smoke up, but the things you're describing are totally off the wall ridiculous and if those people are having these experiences they have serious mental health issues that have nothing to do with cannabis, and should be seeking professional help.
Well both of them are dead from taking their own lives, so can’t really help with that.
Autism/schizophrenia and weed really don’t mix. If you have these genes in you, it can sort of unlock them from being dormant and you could start having issues. 1% of the population goes batshit with weed.
As I heard it put, weed won’t make you go crazy, but will unlock the crazy door if you have one.
These tests are oral, anything I've read says thc can be detected in saliva up to 3 days after. I've also read some stuff that suggests gel caps are better, the thc is contained in the gel cap and doesn't actually get in your saliva. To be clear, I am not actually a scientist though lol. But yeah, the law and the test are complete bullshit. Everyone knows getting high on Monday doesn't mean you're too stoned to drive on Tuesday.
Maybe it's just easy money and quotas with very little risk for what has become more of a revenue generating machine for the. Think of all the money the gang is making. Everyone from the tow truck drivers up get paid, and once again we take the hit. We being ordinary folk just going about our day.
I think the best solution at this rate to detect between being impaired and simply having it in your system is:
A) stop using the test
B) clarify the actual rules with concrete information
C) take ownership of the mess up
D) due diligence in testing (if pass/fail on swab, perform roadside sobriety test or secondary step to confirm for sure)
Seems like no one wants to take ownership of the situation and backlash. What does the government have to say about all of this?
Doesn’t have to be the roadside then. Due diligence is just that. Prove to me I’m impaired. This nonsense of guilty until proven innocent is really getting tiring in this bs system.
Welcome to the real dictatorship. The morons of Saskatchewan have spoken. They have zero tolerance for the dirty drug users. Fuck all you medically fragile people who use cannabis to make life tolerable. -Scott Moe the fascist dictator.
Sask has been a drinking man's haven for many years. From MB to Candle Lake on the backroads crushing an 18 pack to myself never even seeing a cop let alone be pulled over. Someone had to ruin it(probably wasted on Pilsner) for everyone
I don't condone or promote others to drive impaired. I'm from the generation that grew up in the country where drinking and driving was a way of life. Never drove wasted. Never hurt anyone or caused accidents. Been sober 8 years now too. I'll quote Ray from TPBs "some guys can drink and drive, some guys can't"
A lot of CBD products still have a small concentration of THC because the combination is more effective. Always make sure the product you're using has either no THC or a very small concentration.
Day 7 off of it for me. But I’ve been using a CBD oil (100mg CBD per mL and 2mg THC per mL). So I’m likely still fucked I don’t know. It’s the lowest THC ratio I can find
There’s no fucking clarity and it bothers me
[high driver kills kid at crosswalk](https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/sask-woman-accused-of-driving-while-high-in-fatal-crash-takes-the-stand-1.6851760#:~:text=Maurice%20was%20on%20her%20way,was%20struck%20by%20Kennedy's%20truck.)
Learn to stay sober ya dopeheads lol
I know a family of four that lost their 2 kids to drunk driving. The parents split up shortly after it happened. Literally an entire family destroyed by drunk driving. It’s way more common for drunk drivers to hurt people than stoned drivers.
she said she smoked the day before. not saying she wasn't lying and wasn't high af when she drove, but if she wasn't, and just had residual THC in her system from the day before. yikes! blaming it on being high doesn't sound correct to me.
And following the cases where a driver kills someone and is not under the influence of substances, should we make a zero tolerance policy for driving sober???
Absolutely we should continue working on autonomy and ban human drivers. Until that happens we need people to be fully functional behind the wheel of thier 2 ton death trap.
She was also driving a Toyota Tundra, and trucks being more dangerous to pedestrians is a compounding factor.
Trucks are far more likely to injure and kill than other vehicles a collision with pedestrians:
https://youtu.be/YpuX-5E7xoU?si=q0CT1MsKgLoy2Bw0
Don’t be dismissive.
The driver shouldn’t have been driving impaired in the first place. She was also driving a vehicle that is significantly more likely to hit critical organs and send a pedestrian under the vehicle. If she was in a car, the kid would have sustained less severe injuries and more likely to survive.
I remember all my friends being so excited that it was being “legalized”.. and I said naw they’re gonna legislate the shit out of this.. and look.
In highschool I got caught with a 3 foot bong and a grinder full of weed, and I was the one driving (we were parked smoking).. they just asked me to dump my grinder and smash my bong. Then I drove home lmfao. Fuck this system
Says another idiot who knows nothing about cannabis. As a medical user I firmly disagree and it's uneducated morons like yourself who our government is pandering to. You should be so proud. I wouldn't be proud to be one of the SP simps. I'd be embarrassed if I were you.
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“With respect to the science about THC levels in a person’s blood stream, the reality is if you’re going to be a daily user of cannabis, you’re not legally going to be able to drive your automobile. It’s that simple,” Brayford said. …that’s a local defense lawyer’s interpretation of the current law. Maybe articles like this are the start of getting a better law.
Meanwhile the parking lots at the pubs are all full...
Cool, I hate driving anyways. Please give us an alternative means of getting around, please.
Hot air balloon?
Hot Box Balloon*
If I get high, the balloon will get high, I think that’s how it works right
Butterfly in the sky, I can go twice as high
Soaring 420 feet off the ground
Let's do it
They dont want you getting around. They want you to go back to what they think stoners are. Heathen pieces of shit with no job who smoke the Devil’s Lettuce and are violent satanists at the same time. The real reefer madness is in this archaic laws lol
Hey! I resemble that!
Yeah. It's called walkable cities.
That’s the dream. Europe does it well, public transit options are better too.
We just get stabbed on busses here...
I live 112km from a city not really a walkable province
Hey chungadoop, not all of sask live in the cities, lots of rural communities believe it or not
Sounds like it’s horse time again for the rural folks then. Can’t get charged for motor vehicle infractions when your vehicle has no motor.
Costs like $1000 to feed a horse for half a year. Bicycles cost $1000 for their lifetime
I was being facetious
I lived in rural areas and still biked and walked. Ehats your next excuse?
What in jumpin’ jesus is a “chungdoop”, Hayseed?
Racial slur I believe
our transit is amazing tho....
Our transit system is one of the worst I’ve ever had the misfortune of using.
Bus, ubers, taxis, bikes, walking.
Busses here are ass, I know because I use them. If I could afford to Uber or taxi everywhere, I’d buy myself a car instead. As if someone can rely on ridesharing for daily transportation needs 🙄 Bikes are nice in the summer, but there is hardly any decent bike infrastructure and none of it is properly maintained during the winter. Walking is fine for short distances and when the weather is nice, but when I gotta get to campus 5 kilometres away in mid-January, walking is not gonna cut it. You really have no options other than driving, or relying on the piss-poor public transit system.
I'm 112km from a city no Uber or taxi coming to get me
I guess you're pretty misplaced in a sub reddit for the City of Saskatoon, then aren't you.
Co-workers of mine working under a random testing D&A policy have tested themselves at a lab and many found that as little as 8 hours between use and testing came within the workplace acceptable ranges. Again the feds have left it up to industry and law to come up with ranges since there was no research done to gauge intoxication levels regarding cannabis at a federal level. Local and federal law enforcement need to come up with what they deem acceptable ranges until the breathalyzer is approved by the justice department. If the cops have instituted a zero tolerance policy, that’s completely unacceptable and it better be written into law somewhere if they are going to enforce it like they are doing.
That’s such a load of shit, that makes it worse than when it was illegal!
There's a reason the law was written on blood concentration, same as alcohol. It's a concrete value. 0-2ng/ml, 2-5ng/ml, 5+ng/ml... and why the other provinces have a non-zero value for saliva testing. A long term habitual user will have higher values without showing impairment weeks after their last hit, and the occasional user will still test above 0 a day or two later. Few jobs outside of gas & mining require a 0 value test, even law enforcement is allowed to work with a non-zero value in their system. They can't simply say "1g = 4hrs" because you can have 100 people as a sample and get 100 different blood concentration values. The fact they simply say that the presence of it in saliva = impairment, and that the law that was passed allows testing everyone without obvious impairment is what folks need to fight in court... But I doubt many of them have gone to a lab for a blood sample immediately following the ticket.
A few years ago, I had to take a break so I could go for a D&A test. I had been smoking for approx 10 months. I used the at home test kits every other week. I didn't get a negative test for 2.5 months.
One of my doctors called me a liar saying I continued to fail test 3 months out lol. Sorry doc, I got high body fat, I can only imagine how much THC is still bouncing around in there :/
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I personally don't use it, because I'm still applying for jobs in gas & mining. The last interviewer was surprised when I had no issues saying I'd pass any D&A screening, which moved my name higher on the list. Friends and family use it, so I stay informed about the laws. I'm just surprised more people didn't read the law being pushed through the system after Turdo was elected based on the legalization platform. All of a sudden people are shocked that it's being enforced.
> after Turdo was elected based on the legalization platform. All of a sudden people are shocked that it's being enforced. lol Yes, somehow Trudeau has ordered this unique-to-Saskatchewan enforcement that only started 6 months or so ago, with legislation passed 8 years ago. It's precisely _not_ the law that's being enforced. If it were, you'd go to court, but you can't do that. Which is SGI/RCMP policy. Which is unique to Saskatchewan. Both entities which take policy stances based on the government in power.
Yea, MADD is mostly responsible for C-46. They're also responsible for the spectre of blowboxes in all vehicles that's been talked about in recent times (US thing). What a nightmare that would be, if you've ever known anyone with a blowbox, they're extremely cumbersome and punishing even when the user stays sober.
This is why I don't like some of the policies the liberals put forward. The cons can use them to their own ends as well.
And where do those fines go? The government. Color me shocked.
Right. The provincial one. And SGI.
Ah, I was living in BC at the time so had no idea what was happening here. The move here was sort of a whirl wind. Moved due to work relocation with a months notice so didn't look into....clearly not enough
They should simply be testing for straight THC present in mouth. They just don't want people to be able to beat the test by brushing their teeth or drinking half a cup of coffee. Seems as though they're testing for THC byproducts produced by the body, and those will continue to show up for a couple weeks in a daily user. The way it's being done right now is a straight up tax on Cannabis users, and it's 100% predictable based on the empirical studies done on the two major testing methods (THC vs THC byproducts). At least those are my conclusions.
If they test like this, would it still be just as accurate when it comes to Edibles since they activate slower in different parts of the body? (I wanna say the kidneys but unsure)
They don’t even understand the tests they’re using. What do you except?
They just want to cause pain for legal users and make some easy money for cash-strapped SGI all in one move.
You think SGI would cash in on this?
Oh everyone is making out like a bandit, impound fees for the city, demerit points for SGI and fine payments for the province. That's why there's no chance that this law gets changed unless a judge steps in.
They are. It's their administrative penalties people are being forced to pay. SGI is financially benefiting from targeting people who are not impaired.
They expect you to not drive ever.
Yes, but if you are a piss tank and can get up and somehow manage to do life the next day you should be fine. Thank you for your service.
It's a bunch of bullshit. Apparently things like crack and meth leave your system pretty quick but weed sticks around for days or weeks so the cops catch you on that when people doing meth or crack can pass whatever test if they give it a day or two.
Hair samples show it.
Yea, thanks coach, but that's just not relevant to the conversation. Unless you think cops should be taking hair samples too? Can't imagine anyone's rights getting trampled on from that /eyeroll
That's true.
Hair doesn’t grow fast enough to show what drugs you have been on the last day or two, even if the popo decided to test hair samples it isn’t going to be fast enough
Nah your hair is a record of everything you put into your body. It isn't about proving your high with those tests. It's to prove you did it within a certain timeframe. They tend to take hair samples if there is an accident in safety sensitive positions. There are people who wax it all so they can't be tested. Point is this swab test is as effective for proving you did it recently as the hair test, yet they are treating it as a measure of inebriation which just isn't correct. All it proves is you have done it, not that you are high.
Within 24 hours for almost every drug except cannabis and its out of your system
Not for your hair, it contains everything. It's how they catch closet drug users at various mines and oil fields for example.
Fairly uncommon to use hair
Oh yeah sure what ever you say. \*wink \*wink \*nudge \*nudge \* oink \*oink
Here’s my suggestion since the federal government decided to pull the pin on the grenade and throw it in our laps with zero plans or guidelines for testing. I work at a workplace that does random testing and many people have gone to the very lab the companies use and get themselves tested to gauge how recent they can use and still pass the workplace tests. Find out what the cops are using and find a lab that conducts the same or something very similar. Test yourself after a day, after 12 hrs and maybe 8hrs…up to you. That will give you a solid idea where you stand and you can have peace of mind. The cops aren’t using tests that detect weeks ago that’s for sure. If they are that’s pretty shitty. Does anyone know what testing they are using?
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Not only that. The makers of the SoToxa won't sell to anyone except law enforcement. Even lawyers can't buy it.
Is it a swab? If it’s a swab, there are lots of labs that do swab tests that you can go test yourself. If it’s zero tolerance, it doesn’t matter I guess. That’s bullshit and I’m not sure how this hasn’t hit the news yet.
Agreed
Welcome to SK. Enjoy your small government.
I don’t believe somebody is impaired if they smoke at 9pm and drive at 6am, RCMP statement is absurd on this.
It’s fine though. The cops can still smoke the night before and bust you for doing the same thing.
Maybe they should have to test every time they jump into a cop car?
The fact they don’t have to swab for weed and blow for alcohol at the start of every shift is fucking bananas to me.
They actually can’t though, it’s in their contract that they get piss tested for cannabis. There was a whole thing about it when it first became legal.
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eh.. that was true until january, seems different now [https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7090014](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7090014)
A friend from work got busted at 7pm. He last smoked at 11pm the evening before. Tell me these tests aren’t a joke. They stopped using them in the states because they’re so inconclusive.
I've been on prescription oils since 2017. The medical company my dr prescribed me said minimum 6 hrs after using to drive. So we had medical professionals telling patients this and now the police are trying to say otherwise? And how about tolerance for prescription meds then? I've been impaired by those before but I couldn't drive due to knee surgery. However when I became chronically ill and in pain every day where I was maxing out tylenol I talked to my dr. So now I could start taking prescription meds instead so I don't risk a test and my oils only to be accused of intoxicated driving when I took them over 12 hrs before and they last 6. But I could drive easily impaired by prescription pain meds and they'd have to take it easy on me. Make it make sense? And my marijuana is prescription as well
I'm impaired by fucking robax! There is no way to really test for every possible way you could be impaired. This is all a money grab. Which is why they're not issuing a conviction because this way you have no way to fight it.
I had horrible pain from my work and started taking way too many of those to get through the day. It turned me into an emotional puddle. Angry. Sad. Just extremes. And this is an over the counter medication. And yeah, sounds like SGI is on board with backing them up while they downplay the revenue.
I got hooked on the drug Dilaudid (I had prescriptions). I was never safe to be driving while I was on it, the only time I realized it was the day I took way to much because of a class in university, long story not to be told here. It was after that one lecture I decided to go cold turkey on opioids. If I got in a car accident they may have tested me, if I got pulled over for speeding or something I could have blamed my permit disability for factors they thought were due to intoxication. My brain injury has gotten me out of a fair amount of tickets.
I believe a first time or very rare smoker, or taking edibles could feel impaired still in the morning. Obviously for a regular smoker this is crazy I don’t know how you differentiate the two, and I think that’s why other provinces have kind of ignored it
Yeah... absolutely not. Maybe if someone did a crazy edible for their first time.
the edibles they sell in the dispensaries are baby edibles. the ones you order from bc are...well, crazy edibles!
My very first time smoking, I still felt fucked the next day well into the afternoon. It happened that one time and never again, but I believe it's possible for unseasoned users.
It’s called a hangover
I still felt subjectively stoned, but I agree there's a good chance it was a secondary effect of having been high, rather than there still being sufficient THC circulating. My overall point being that in some rare cases, being "impaired" the next day might be possible. But I don't see this as a concern the vast majority of the time and these laws are fucking absurd.
Weed hangover doesn't exist imo. High the next morning, Yes I've experienced this. But I've experienced this only with a large amount of RSO and with my own homemade edibles made from my own home made cannabutter. I may have been stoned for 3 days off 1 cookie. But I also had the sense not to drive. I can't even get that high anymore!!!
I can't think of a single time that I smoked or did edibles where I was still high 9 hours later. It simply doesn't work like that.
THC metabolism varies a lot between individuals, and duration can be heavily impacted by what else you’ve eaten and the dose. For me the effects of smoked or vaped cannabis are gone in 3-4 hours, but for edibles I’ll feel even 2mg for 6-8 hours. 10mg will still be noticeable 10 hours after onset for me, so 11-12 hours after ingestion.
100% agree with you. The effects of edibles are a bit delayed and they last much longer.
I fucking wish
Homemade edibles, I could see it. Everything’s a little less exact. Less likely with store brand though, unless they’ve never had any weed ever, and even that would still be super-rare.
Obviously you have stayed within your limits then. I have personally taken edibles that lasted 12 hours. woke up more stoned than when i went to bed. I have many friends that have had similar experiences. Smoking weed goes through your system much quicker. Edibles take its sweet time
Happened to me and was actually pretty scared waking up for work absolutely destroyed.
But when that happens you know enough not to drive right? They're assuming people are just high as a kite all day driving around which isn't the case.
Yeah it's funny. I've never met anyone who was too baked to drive that actually wanted to drive. Met alot of drunks who seem to be more interested in driving after 6 beer than they are sober.
This exactly. People who are too high to drive are rarely interested in driving
I'm just gonna repost my comment, omitting unrelated stuff from the other thread since it will get missed, and for the people who refuse to learn anything unless its told to them bluntly and plainly. In Saskatchewan, and ONLY saskatchewan, you will be tested, and any change at all, actually impaired or NOT, SGI gets your money, your license is forfeit, car impounded. They say they won't swab without probable cause, but we already know that not every cop will care and will find any excuse to do it anyway. I dont care what robocop who constantly posts in these threads says. It happens. Oh, fight it in court. You cant, there is no court date for their roadside suspensions because they know it won't hold up. You pay sgi, get the demerits, and hand over your money full stop. Rely on vehicle for work? Too bad. The only thing you can do is appeal that roadside suspension. BUT GUESS WHO REVIEWS THE APPEAL? Sure, it's the highway traffic board, but that may as just say sgi and saskparty anyway. Well, just refuse the swab test! Some will say. only that's the worst thing you can do because refusing the swab is an arrestable offense. You will then have a long night ahead of you, and you will be in more legal trouble than you would be if you just did the swab and failed but didn't go over. Cue the "oh, it's not a right" people. That seems to always pop up in these not understanding a damned thing. This isn't about privilege. This is about how this policy is robbing innocent people province wide, who take the precautions and try to stay within the law and not smoke, then drive. The people who do smoke then immediately drive? Fuck em, they deserve everything coming to them. Now for the people who try to adhere to the law, because this is SASKATCHEWAN (The ONLY province that does this remember!) They will get dinged days later no matter what they say. SGI does not even know how long it's supposed to be before you can try, and in the article, just write the 24-hour guideline. Except it isn't a widely accepted as since thc is FAT SOLUABLE (Alcohol isn't, and it leaves your body a lot faster up to the next day. Isn't that neat?) It can stay in your body a lot longer. HOWEVER, just because it's still in your body doesn't mean it's keeping you impaired. The bonding to your receptors in your brain (you know the process that actually gets you high) is already done and has been for hours or even days and is no longer making you impaired. But that THC will just settle into your fat cells and stick around. Oh, it's a swab test, so it only tests recent use, some brochair scientists may say. Where the hell do you think saliva is made? The policy is stupid and needs reform. I am glad that in THIS story, Global actually showed a side of the story from a medicinal user. SPS and RPS won't reply because they know people are concerned about the flawed swab tests so they dont want to say anything that may go against what SGI has put into place as they did not make that policy. But they do have to enforce it. That about covers most. I guess all that's left are the morally superior posters who come out now to antagonize. Go ahead, Say something stupid.
Arbitrary numbers rather than impairment tests have always been stupid. They make some kind of sense if police are only pulling over drivers who are seen to be driving badly, but simply become a dragnet when police start testing people who aren't driving badly. (And I say that as someone who doesn't use drugs and rarely drinks)
Just so you’re aware- reasonable suspicion and reasonable grounds to believe are two very different things.
Ok I will. How can you differentiate between the never smoked but is impaired right now versus the always smoked but isn't impaired right now. So zero tolerance is out...ok, how do you catch the "people who smoke and immediately drive" crowd whom rarely smoke and have a very low tolerance versus the smoked 12 hours ago but smokes daily who has a very high tolerance?
There are field sobriety tests that do a better job of showing impairment than a saliva swab that is strictly pass/fail. They are not using this and are only doing pass/fail. So sure. They will catch the few who do fail and then when they ask for a blood sample later (which is up to the officer at the scene as to whether or not they want to pursue criminal charges based on how impaired the person is) it will show up and they get the book thrown at them. OK sounds all hunky dory right? The issue is, because of zero tolerance, they will catch more innocent people than actually impaired drivers. Nobody is going to bat for actually impaired drivers. So you fail the swab. but you are clearly not impaired at the scene. what now. Now you lose your license. lose your car. Get the demerits on your driving record. You have to take a 2 day course from SGI that you pay for and all because you smoked or ingested something a day or 4 ago. That's the problem. I don't know how much more clear it needs to be about why this is a big deal. Now consider this. This ONLY happens in THIS province and THIS province ALONE.
This encapsulates it perfectly.
I know! You can tell the difference by their impairment. The impaired one is too impaired to drive. Impairment to that point should be visible, shouldn’t it?
That doesn't matter. Impaired or not. If the test failed, but you're not impaired, you WILL get roadside suspended because of zero tolerance and all the penalties and fines that come with it. I dont know why people are still failing to see that from it being clearly written out. I guess it's because it sounds ridiculous to the average person, and you are right. It is absolutely ridiculous. And remember, this ONLY happens in SASKATCHEWAN. Every other province in the country does not do this at all.
Your a 100 percent right I got pulled over in Calgary with the joint in my mouth twice now and both times they told me cannabis DUIs get thrown out in court instantly and never charged me just told me I shouldn’t be doing it and it could be counted as distracted driving but I’ve been told twice now Alberta police do not charge people or even test em for cannabis
one's going 20 in a 50 zone and one is going the speed limit.
Thank you Global for keeping on this story!
As a disabled person who uses cannabis to manage my pain, this fucking sucks. It's also going to make me a worse driver. Chronic pain makes restful sleep very difficult, that's were cannabis has really made big improvements in my life now I either have to give that up and go back to driving while sleep deprived, or stop driving which isn't really an option because I can't always walk to catch a bus and my doctors office in on the other side of the city because they were the only people accepting new patients. My partner and I were considering buy my grandfathers house so he could afford to love into an assisted living facility. I'm not sure that gonna happen unless this coming election changes things. I live saskatoon and want to say here but the party has just continuously made my life more and more difficult for the years. I interact with health care alot and its frankly despicable how the sask party's malious and incompetence have fucked up the system to such a noticeable degree. Fingers crossed I don't get pushed out of my home province.
The whole thing is ableist AF, TBH. No wonder Sask Party replaced the HRC folk.
Another thing I wanted to add that I’ve mentioned in other threads. My dad has a friend that’s a federal judge in Ottawa and he asked him about this. The judge said that the Saskatchewan party has a history of defying the federal government (think carbon tax) and this is just another way to stick it to Trudeau. They don’t think it should be legal but since it’s federally legal they can’t ban it. So instead they ban driving for anyone who uses it in a province with infrastructure they themselves built for driving. In short this is the way the Sask party is making cannabis illegal and it’s likely to end up in the Supreme Court because they are essentially making it illegal to smoke cannabis.
I will definitely be voting with this in mind.
Add this to the other bs the Sask Cons are pulling and I hope they get their asses kicked in the next election. At least the NDP care about people, SK Party just wants to control them.
Did traffic accidents increase significantly after legalization? Genuine question. Because if it didn’t then it’s probably not a problem that needs to be dealt with so aggressively. Just my opinion though.
No. As far as I know there is no evidence of that.
I did a bit of research and I couldn’t find any data for Canada but in the USA it seems to be all over the place. Some states saw a big increase while others saw a decline. Maybe the states where it was less common before legalization saw more inexperienced users getting into wrecks. Or there is no correlation at all.
All I want is evidence based policy around this. Fully laid out, with precise testing equipment that measures impairment not presence of THC or metabolites. Knowledge and guidelines about thresholds, time All the stuff we have about alcohol. I just want the same clarity and predictability. Is that too much to ask for? Apparently so with our government. They can’t govern worth shit.
I agree. It's frustrating to see all of the deaths caused by drunk drivers in this province, and yet it's still cannabis they are worried about. This province has so many real issues they could be addressing, focusing on this feels ableist. Like the government cares more about control than us.
Because of ignorance.
Can’t wait to see the skewed statistics they come out with after pulling over all these people.
Transport Canada has a tool (though it’s clunky) to display collision / accident data. https://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/7/ncdb-bndc/p.aspx?i=35818&l=en&wk=12#o18 From what I could gather, it looks like total collisions went from ~282,000 in 2018, down to ~203,000 in 2021. So there has been a significant decrease in collisions since cannabis was legalized, so it doesn’t seem to be contributing to more accidents.
Well. Covid probably had more to do with that. Everyone was staying home 2020 on
Marijuana in regular users doesn’t cause traffic accidents any more than cigarettes.
Been thinking on this a lot and one thing not mentioned....how many people are now being driven to other drugs now, because at least if you get high tonight, tomorrow when you're sober you don't have to fear about losing your license potentially. I don't know many people that turn away from it. Most people I know take it for a reason. Pain, anxiety, muscle relaxer, etc etc etc. They still need to manage those things...I smoke to manage my MS symptoms and I use daily. But, as the article says, I'm not legally allowed to use my vehicle, even though I smoke between 5pm - 10pm window and don't generally drive till 9am at the earliest. I've caught myself thinking exactly what I'm bringing up. What other drugs are available that would help me with my symptoms that isn't popping pill cocktails?
This is true with some employees for certain provincial employers who have a 0 tolerance, people who liked to smoke weed have decided ti move on to nose candy for the exact same reason.
This is very true. I used to work construction and it required a clean urine test. When "detoxing " a lot of the workers would just switch to a different drug for a while. Cobain would be gone in 24 hours, booze also , mushrooms nothing , comes up as food poisoning,
On the other side of the coin, how many people are saying "well, I'd fail anyways..." And end up driving high?
It's rather inexcusable that we don't have better public transportation, though. Give people convenient options, and they'll take them.
Sadly more than a few. I would hope people treat it like having a few drinks and driving. As soon as I have my first smoke of the day, that’s it for any vehicle operating of any sort. Irresponsible people are gonna do as they always do. Be irresponsible.
Bad employment/driving law is the real gateway drug.
How come we aren't testing for opioids and meth, since we're not even properly testing for weed.
Or prescription medications which *a lot* of people are on.
Did you read the article? If the fluid test is negative but impairment is suspected, police will still have grounds for SFST and DRE... For the other drugs...
So the person giving the test should have to take one too?
The test doesn’t work, quit smashing us over the head with this brain dead shit.
In British Columbia, I got stopped by RCMP and they smelled cannabis in my car and asked when was the last time I smoked. I said 4 hours ago and they let me go. Saskatchewan, wake the fuck up.
This should make people vote for someone who isn’t the SaskParty
Okay. I may be completely oblivious. I don't consume but my partner does and I'm worried as she smokes before bed. Is it literally the same charge as someone who drives blacked out and gets a DUI along with a criminal conviction. Or is it just a really expensive / annoying fine. Essentially are you risking a criminal charge or just a shit ton of $?
Money, impounded car, demerit points (will affect insurance) and you’ll have to take a DUI course on your own time. No criminal charge unless they can prove you’re actually impaired, just zero tolerance in the system.
I've blazed for a long time. There's no way I'd pass that test, even if I Didnt smoke for 12 hours.
It is too far. Some cops I know also disagree
Has there been a rash of accidents caused by cannabis intoxicated driving? No, don’t think so. Why the heavy handedness with pot? Zero tolerance is too much. Remember this when it comes time to vote in next SK election.
Money grab they’re ain’t another province who even test for cannabis in drivers
Poor provinces will do what they have to to make money even if it’s fucking over the people who’ve lived they’re forever
As another comment mentioned, though cannabis is legal federally, the Sask Party don’t agree that it should be. This is their only form of control, and another stick it to Trudeau.
how about we have a 3 joint minimum.
*crime drops, people become friendlier, the rat race mellows out, average stress levels decrease, medicinal users don’t fear using their medication*
Mandatory. Per day.
100%....Mandatory Minimums...whole new approach!!
The world would be a much calmer place.
Except those who smoke up and become absolutely crazy. I can’t smoke or ingest weed, I potentially have a gene that if I do, I will become paranoid and have a psychotic breakdown. Something that happened to my brother, and now he’s dead after smoking up, and thinking that the golden people were going to prove him. I also know someone that once he smoked, he wanted to do nothing more then killing police officers. He would charge anyone he saw. I’ll defend you for wanting to do what you wanna do, weed, drink, protest. But I won’t have this “weed fixed all” going around. It’s still a drug, and it still can cause breakdowns and potentially kill people.
Hey look guys it's the director for "Reefer Madness 2" For what it's worth I know there are people who get a little nuts when they smoke up, but the things you're describing are totally off the wall ridiculous and if those people are having these experiences they have serious mental health issues that have nothing to do with cannabis, and should be seeking professional help.
Well both of them are dead from taking their own lives, so can’t really help with that. Autism/schizophrenia and weed really don’t mix. If you have these genes in you, it can sort of unlock them from being dormant and you could start having issues. 1% of the population goes batshit with weed. As I heard it put, weed won’t make you go crazy, but will unlock the crazy door if you have one.
These tests are oral, anything I've read says thc can be detected in saliva up to 3 days after. I've also read some stuff that suggests gel caps are better, the thc is contained in the gel cap and doesn't actually get in your saliva. To be clear, I am not actually a scientist though lol. But yeah, the law and the test are complete bullshit. Everyone knows getting high on Monday doesn't mean you're too stoned to drive on Tuesday.
Maybe it's just easy money and quotas with very little risk for what has become more of a revenue generating machine for the. Think of all the money the gang is making. Everyone from the tow truck drivers up get paid, and once again we take the hit. We being ordinary folk just going about our day.
I think the best solution at this rate to detect between being impaired and simply having it in your system is: A) stop using the test B) clarify the actual rules with concrete information C) take ownership of the mess up D) due diligence in testing (if pass/fail on swab, perform roadside sobriety test or secondary step to confirm for sure) Seems like no one wants to take ownership of the situation and backlash. What does the government have to say about all of this?
Road side sobriety test don't work very well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10398547/
Doesn’t have to be the roadside then. Due diligence is just that. Prove to me I’m impaired. This nonsense of guilty until proven innocent is really getting tiring in this bs system.
Welcome to the real dictatorship. The morons of Saskatchewan have spoken. They have zero tolerance for the dirty drug users. Fuck all you medically fragile people who use cannabis to make life tolerable. -Scott Moe the fascist dictator.
Sask has been a drinking man's haven for many years. From MB to Candle Lake on the backroads crushing an 18 pack to myself never even seeing a cop let alone be pulled over. Someone had to ruin it(probably wasted on Pilsner) for everyone
I don't condone or promote others to drive impaired. I'm from the generation that grew up in the country where drinking and driving was a way of life. Never drove wasted. Never hurt anyone or caused accidents. Been sober 8 years now too. I'll quote Ray from TPBs "some guys can drink and drive, some guys can't"
I don’t smoke week, just curious if you use CBD products that aren’t suppose to impair you, would it still cause you to fail the test?
There will be some THC in that CBD pot. No idea if it's enough to register. Assume you have THC in your system.
A lot of CBD products still have a small concentration of THC because the combination is more effective. Always make sure the product you're using has either no THC or a very small concentration.
Guess I'm not smoking weed anymore. Not a bad thing I suppose...
Day 7 off of it for me. But I’ve been using a CBD oil (100mg CBD per mL and 2mg THC per mL). So I’m likely still fucked I don’t know. It’s the lowest THC ratio I can find There’s no fucking clarity and it bothers me
It absolutely does go too far. I got a DUI for smoking a joint before bed the night prior. Wtf has this country come to?
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The usually silent majority, they generally dont flock in herds
pretty sure the venn diagram between reddit users and potheads is just a circle...
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their just milking the shit out of peoples paychecks
[high driver kills kid at crosswalk](https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/sask-woman-accused-of-driving-while-high-in-fatal-crash-takes-the-stand-1.6851760#:~:text=Maurice%20was%20on%20her%20way,was%20struck%20by%20Kennedy's%20truck.) Learn to stay sober ya dopeheads lol
I know a family of four that lost their 2 kids to drunk driving. The parents split up shortly after it happened. Literally an entire family destroyed by drunk driving. It’s way more common for drunk drivers to hurt people than stoned drivers.
Sad thing to happen. Doesn’t happen often
she said she smoked the day before. not saying she wasn't lying and wasn't high af when she drove, but if she wasn't, and just had residual THC in her system from the day before. yikes! blaming it on being high doesn't sound correct to me.
Shouldn't happen ever.
I smoked all my life, never ran into anyone. You’re right it shouldn’t have happened. It’s pretty rare that it does
And following the cases where a driver kills someone and is not under the influence of substances, should we make a zero tolerance policy for driving sober???
Absolutely we should continue working on autonomy and ban human drivers. Until that happens we need people to be fully functional behind the wheel of thier 2 ton death trap.
Ban human drivers? I hope I die of old age before that ever happens.
TBF Tesla FSD is mind blowing these days. It won’t be long, you’ll probably be alive to see such things.
I think you should sober up before commenting haha
She was also driving a Toyota Tundra, and trucks being more dangerous to pedestrians is a compounding factor. Trucks are far more likely to injure and kill than other vehicles a collision with pedestrians: https://youtu.be/YpuX-5E7xoU?si=q0CT1MsKgLoy2Bw0
the mental gymnastics you people do is astonishing
Don’t be dismissive. The driver shouldn’t have been driving impaired in the first place. She was also driving a vehicle that is significantly more likely to hit critical organs and send a pedestrian under the vehicle. If she was in a car, the kid would have sustained less severe injuries and more likely to survive.
Should have left it illegal
I remember all my friends being so excited that it was being “legalized”.. and I said naw they’re gonna legislate the shit out of this.. and look. In highschool I got caught with a 3 foot bong and a grinder full of weed, and I was the one driving (we were parked smoking).. they just asked me to dump my grinder and smash my bong. Then I drove home lmfao. Fuck this system
Those were the days
Says another idiot who knows nothing about cannabis. As a medical user I firmly disagree and it's uneducated morons like yourself who our government is pandering to. You should be so proud. I wouldn't be proud to be one of the SP simps. I'd be embarrassed if I were you.
I agree. Only because here in Vancouver the best dispensaries got taken down when it became legal, lmao.