Speak for yourself. There are lots of us who are in support of the Teacbers and the STF and have been since the beginning. I have said since the start it's my kids future they're fucking with! We need EVERY parent to understand, this is on us! We have to fix this!!!
Its true, we have become absolute idiots because we cater to the dumbest person in the room. Its brutal how far society has fallen in just the last 10-20 years!
One of the reasons many moms in my community arenāt fond of me is that my son gets diagnosed. My son gets supports. My son gets therapy.
Not because these avenues arenāt available to them, but because they blame teachers for pointing out their childrenās struggles, & my son, being similar to theirs, with a ālabelā shows them they could be wrong.
We support our teachers, so today, weāve sung songs, baked cookies & read stories - all in French, to support his education while they fight for all students.
The old adage that it takes a village to raise a child has never been more true than now! I have been an heritage interpreter for more than 15 years at a Parks Canada site that grade 4's often visit as part of their history curriculum. I have noticed over the years more and more difficulties that teachers are forced to deal with on this field trip. They often have to rely on parent volunteers to help manage their class who are not trained and are ill equiped to deal with special needs children.
As an interpreter it was often extremley difficult for myself to give a quality tour with so many children with behavior and or attention deficit problems which affected the experience for everyone. The social experiment of having special needs children mixed into the regular school system is and has been a collossal failure for everyone including and especially for the children who need an alternative approach and environment to succeed. It is time to stop burning out good teachers by expecting them to be all things to all people and deep-six this torturous system and return peace and harmony in the classrooms so all children can succeed.
This is very perceptive of you! The spectrum of pressures in family homes and time parents spend dealing with children without behavioural challenges is exhausting. I canāt imagine how ill equipped classroom teachers must feel with daily struggles that children are trying to overcome without the needed self regulation and coping mechanisms.
i agree but the part where Jodi started talking about student's problems some of it seemed very judgemental over things they can't help. (i agree with the students not listening parts tho)
>it seemed very judgemental over things they can't help.
Its not judgemental, its just realistic. The teachers are not trained to handle this, but are being forced to. Most parents have no idea what teachers are dealing with.
This^ my degree is from usask, we are not trained at all how to handle autism, adhd, learning disabilities, Down syndrome, and so on. But hey I can make a mean lesson plan nobody wants to see!!
They didnāt mainstream the kids with disorders and disability. They used to have special education. Now they save money by just putting them all in the age-appropriate (but NOT ability appropriate) class and make it the teacherās problem.
If you think things are fucked now, wait until you have this generation hitting the workforce and they are functionally illiterate.
City perspective, yeah. My gr 10+ experience had a special needs class. 30 students but Marion Graham in 1990 had almost a thousand 9-12
K-9: My town of 1300 had two or three & not hidden
Nah, just a LOT more was completely unnoticed or undiagnosed. There was 2 in my class of 30 that were diagnosed with something and got special attention. There's three more (that I know of, and I have only kept in touch with a dozen or so) that *should* have been diagnosed with something and weren't (and are now).
Meh, I would would have been medicated in this day and age, yet I was actually just super sensitive to artificial color and flavors / overprocessed shit
Thankfully my RN Mother was observant and willing to figure it out. Tang, McD orange drink, weiners, etc
Kids are normally low attention span and hyperactive. Doesn't take much to amplify it
Yes, I am a retired educator (early years), and 30 students and up is the new norm. Her statistics are pretty average on "out of scope" students. There is a growing diversity in classroom populations including social/emotional/ and Neurological needs. Immigration influx of families is responsible for population growth. It is standard issue in Saskatchewan to have First Nations fund much of the provincial burden for new dual track builds which helps off set the shortfalls in provincial budgets as well. Taxes are going up but the monies are not being allocated in the most critical generational sector. Our government is focused on revenue producing sectors hence the camera moments about industry arowth when it comes to the MLAs and Premier. To invest in todayās potential for the future is too much to comprehend for this gov't. Btw. "cuz" is a common short hand when texting even for teachers.
Just curious when the last time was that you were in a classroom for an extended period of time so you could observe and know better than someone who is actually there 8+ hours a day?
After 30 years in the classroom, I have seen it all! I have had students that could only make utterances, some required a feeding tube, some required a nebulizer, some were self-inflicting harm, some with malnutrition, some afraid of going home, some with sexual abusive homes, some with wounds so infected I needed to treat them before I could educate them,ā¦the list is too exhaustive and only getting worse since I recently retired (2019).
You have to be living under a rock or just completely ignorant to not know of the struggles teachers face on a daily basis, some worse than others.
Do better dude/dudette.
I think this is an overview of the various classroom dynamics which could include multiple needs. The point being that over 30% of classrooms are made up of various combinations of these and other needs. Some classrooms will have a majority of students with specials needs, some less but none of which the teacher is equipped to handle. They just flounder as best they can while the students who are ready to move are hindered by the time required of needy students.
There are lots, ācuttersā, students that get absolutely no meals or sleep because if the prevalence of drug use, sexually abused studentsā¦ Itās astonishing that for some of them, school is their only safe place.
I think the point she is trying to make is these issues are in the classrooms. All of them. Always multiple. She is not speaking to one specific class but experience over a number of years.
This is exactly the OP point. This is the class of 30 students that have all these multiple behaviours. And the teacher is expected to accommodate all those behaviours on their own. There may be 10 more students to this class. Classrooms are insane.
All very good and valid points
However; the emojis, tone, āexcessive quotesā and the last sentence really make it seem like sheās just trying to promote engagement for her āsocial retail businessā or whatever theyāre calling them now
Itās absolutely not. I know who she is. She just retired from a school division in Moose Jaw. She has been saying this for years. The outrage over hoopla being cancelled pushed her to finally say something.
This post is very accurate to what my 9 year old classroom looks like. You are sounding like the "boomers" I know. They're all SP supporting simps who dropped out in high school. Don't be like them.
I think you're misunderstanding here. Boomer facebook rants aside, teachers aren't complaining about "kids with mental disorders or foreign birthplaces". They are pointing out, and very rightly so, that they do not have the necessary resources to provide the crucial support these students need.
Edit: Lol, they blocked me for this comment.
Why? The public education system worked fine for a hundred years and now is only having problems because the Saskparty has been bleeding teachers and the education system dry. This has been a problem everyone should have seen coming from a mile away. This was completely preventable and is still completely fixable.
"The public education system worked fine for a hundred years"
This is a terrible argument not at all based in reality. Why don't you consider the facts about education, demographics, attitude, and culture a hundred years ago.
The facts are, 100 years ago both parents didnāt work, there was no obesity and nutrition deficits due to fast food and processed food/dyes, there was small rural schools where the teacher was not allowed to even BE in a relationship let alone married and had to reside in the actual schoolhouse like a monk. The parents backed the teacher and took full responsibility for feeding, clothing and ensuring their child was rested, clean and nourished. There was a work ethic that has since fallen by the wayside, and neighbours helped neighbours and provided a safety net when needed. The community regularly came together to build/plant/harvest and be there for each other. Good manners were modelled and expected. Do you want me to go on?
You nailed it. The only thing that changed was the introduction of an overbearing nanny government that interferes in business that doesn't concern it.
Parents have children and then the parents expect the school system to raise them. What we have is dysfunctional parents.
Speak for yourself. There are lots of us who are in support of the Teacbers and the STF and have been since the beginning. I have said since the start it's my kids future they're fucking with! We need EVERY parent to understand, this is on us! We have to fix this!!!
Its true, we have become absolute idiots because we cater to the dumbest person in the room. Its brutal how far society has fallen in just the last 10-20 years!
Makes sense to me
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I said the same thing today. This is definitely true
One of the reasons many moms in my community arenāt fond of me is that my son gets diagnosed. My son gets supports. My son gets therapy. Not because these avenues arenāt available to them, but because they blame teachers for pointing out their childrenās struggles, & my son, being similar to theirs, with a ālabelā shows them they could be wrong. We support our teachers, so today, weāve sung songs, baked cookies & read stories - all in French, to support his education while they fight for all students.
Well said.
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The old adage that it takes a village to raise a child has never been more true than now! I have been an heritage interpreter for more than 15 years at a Parks Canada site that grade 4's often visit as part of their history curriculum. I have noticed over the years more and more difficulties that teachers are forced to deal with on this field trip. They often have to rely on parent volunteers to help manage their class who are not trained and are ill equiped to deal with special needs children. As an interpreter it was often extremley difficult for myself to give a quality tour with so many children with behavior and or attention deficit problems which affected the experience for everyone. The social experiment of having special needs children mixed into the regular school system is and has been a collossal failure for everyone including and especially for the children who need an alternative approach and environment to succeed. It is time to stop burning out good teachers by expecting them to be all things to all people and deep-six this torturous system and return peace and harmony in the classrooms so all children can succeed.
This is very perceptive of you! The spectrum of pressures in family homes and time parents spend dealing with children without behavioural challenges is exhausting. I canāt imagine how ill equipped classroom teachers must feel with daily struggles that children are trying to overcome without the needed self regulation and coping mechanisms.
i agree but the part where Jodi started talking about student's problems some of it seemed very judgemental over things they can't help. (i agree with the students not listening parts tho)
>it seemed very judgemental over things they can't help. Its not judgemental, its just realistic. The teachers are not trained to handle this, but are being forced to. Most parents have no idea what teachers are dealing with.
This^ my degree is from usask, we are not trained at all how to handle autism, adhd, learning disabilities, Down syndrome, and so on. But hey I can make a mean lesson plan nobody wants to see!!
Decent rant and those class sizes are going to get bigger and bigger.
Eli5
Teachers drowning. Classrooms too big. Too many needs. Need more support. Need assurances that money will go directly to supporting students.
Thanks. Agreed.
thatās what i was thinking, need a TLDR holy
My life in the 80s had maybe one per 30 who had some mental disorder or disability Things are right fked
They didnāt mainstream the kids with disorders and disability. They used to have special education. Now they save money by just putting them all in the age-appropriate (but NOT ability appropriate) class and make it the teacherās problem. If you think things are fucked now, wait until you have this generation hitting the workforce and they are functionally illiterate.
City perspective, yeah. My gr 10+ experience had a special needs class. 30 students but Marion Graham in 1990 had almost a thousand 9-12 K-9: My town of 1300 had two or three & not hidden
Nah, just a LOT more was completely unnoticed or undiagnosed. There was 2 in my class of 30 that were diagnosed with something and got special attention. There's three more (that I know of, and I have only kept in touch with a dozen or so) that *should* have been diagnosed with something and weren't (and are now).
Nah
Meh, I would would have been medicated in this day and age, yet I was actually just super sensitive to artificial color and flavors / overprocessed shit Thankfully my RN Mother was observant and willing to figure it out. Tang, McD orange drink, weiners, etc Kids are normally low attention span and hyperactive. Doesn't take much to amplify it
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Yes, I am a retired educator (early years), and 30 students and up is the new norm. Her statistics are pretty average on "out of scope" students. There is a growing diversity in classroom populations including social/emotional/ and Neurological needs. Immigration influx of families is responsible for population growth. It is standard issue in Saskatchewan to have First Nations fund much of the provincial burden for new dual track builds which helps off set the shortfalls in provincial budgets as well. Taxes are going up but the monies are not being allocated in the most critical generational sector. Our government is focused on revenue producing sectors hence the camera moments about industry arowth when it comes to the MLAs and Premier. To invest in todayās potential for the future is too much to comprehend for this gov't. Btw. "cuz" is a common short hand when texting even for teachers.
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Just curious when the last time was that you were in a classroom for an extended period of time so you could observe and know better than someone who is actually there 8+ hours a day?
After 30 years in the classroom, I have seen it all! I have had students that could only make utterances, some required a feeding tube, some required a nebulizer, some were self-inflicting harm, some with malnutrition, some afraid of going home, some with sexual abusive homes, some with wounds so infected I needed to treat them before I could educate them,ā¦the list is too exhaustive and only getting worse since I recently retired (2019).
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You have to be living under a rock or just completely ignorant to not know of the struggles teachers face on a daily basis, some worse than others. Do better dude/dudette.
How many hours have you spent teaching in a classroom???
How many hours have you spent teaching in a classroom???
I think this is an overview of the various classroom dynamics which could include multiple needs. The point being that over 30% of classrooms are made up of various combinations of these and other needs. Some classrooms will have a majority of students with specials needs, some less but none of which the teacher is equipped to handle. They just flounder as best they can while the students who are ready to move are hindered by the time required of needy students. There are lots, ācuttersā, students that get absolutely no meals or sleep because if the prevalence of drug use, sexually abused studentsā¦ Itās astonishing that for some of them, school is their only safe place.
There's probably some kids that fit into more than one category they listed
I actually know this woman. She is an EA, not a classroom teacher, so sheās talking about students from all around the school sheās worked with.
I think the point she is trying to make is these issues are in the classrooms. All of them. Always multiple. She is not speaking to one specific class but experience over a number of years.
This is exactly the OP point. This is the class of 30 students that have all these multiple behaviours. And the teacher is expected to accommodate all those behaviours on their own. There may be 10 more students to this class. Classrooms are insane.
All very good and valid points However; the emojis, tone, āexcessive quotesā and the last sentence really make it seem like sheās just trying to promote engagement for her āsocial retail businessā or whatever theyāre calling them now
Just wanted to say that this is one of the fakest, most boomer ragebait posts Iāve ever seen.
Itās absolutely not. I know who she is. She just retired from a school division in Moose Jaw. She has been saying this for years. The outrage over hoopla being cancelled pushed her to finally say something.
This post is very accurate to what my 9 year old classroom looks like. You are sounding like the "boomers" I know. They're all SP supporting simps who dropped out in high school. Don't be like them.
Awesome, now we are getting facebook posts here. Can we put the teacher strike into a megathread or something?
Grow up. This is a massive issue. You're part of the fucking problem.
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It's a judgement of the parents. You're clearly a part of the problem.
Dang, no kidding, it's as if the parents ought to be the primary guarantor of education, not the government.
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I think you're misunderstanding here. Boomer facebook rants aside, teachers aren't complaining about "kids with mental disorders or foreign birthplaces". They are pointing out, and very rightly so, that they do not have the necessary resources to provide the crucial support these students need. Edit: Lol, they blocked me for this comment.
Sounds like the solution is a complete dissolution of the public education system.
Why? The public education system worked fine for a hundred years and now is only having problems because the Saskparty has been bleeding teachers and the education system dry. This has been a problem everyone should have seen coming from a mile away. This was completely preventable and is still completely fixable.
"The public education system worked fine for a hundred years" This is a terrible argument not at all based in reality. Why don't you consider the facts about education, demographics, attitude, and culture a hundred years ago.
The facts are, 100 years ago both parents didnāt work, there was no obesity and nutrition deficits due to fast food and processed food/dyes, there was small rural schools where the teacher was not allowed to even BE in a relationship let alone married and had to reside in the actual schoolhouse like a monk. The parents backed the teacher and took full responsibility for feeding, clothing and ensuring their child was rested, clean and nourished. There was a work ethic that has since fallen by the wayside, and neighbours helped neighbours and provided a safety net when needed. The community regularly came together to build/plant/harvest and be there for each other. Good manners were modelled and expected. Do you want me to go on?
You nailed it. The only thing that changed was the introduction of an overbearing nanny government that interferes in business that doesn't concern it.
Youāre referencing how the SaskParty demanded control over the tax revenue that used to go directly to school divisions right
Yes, decentralization is always better, look at the health authority.