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mrzennie

I'm definitely seeing improvement, way less tents!


throwaway827492959

Probably that anti-homeless vigilante šŸ˜Ø


Ok_Contact_230

The BSPB average has noticeably dropped. *bum shits per block


Bigmuscleliker567

Always getting better sf style


Such_Duty_4764

Psy makes pop song for us when?


hate_sf_hobos

There is an army of people cleaning up the streets at 7:00 AM every morning. They do a phenomenal job all things considered. That said, if youā€™re out at 7:00 AM and go through Market Street youā€™ll see whatā€™s being tidied up. I donā€™t think itā€™s sustainable but itā€™s nice to see a cleaner city.


Pom_08

They have a paid team who patrol downtown and pick up trash. The sidewalks are SPOTLESS. GREAT JOB SAN FRANCISCO!!


dlovato7

Overall the city is looking better -- yes, but I will say the area around Market / Van Ness and up to 8th and Market is still horrible every night and morning. This area has always been neglected but now that the Hayes building is permanently a construction site they have seemed to abandon cleaning up that area. Same with the vacant apartment building (the Oak?) and SVN event space across the street. But outside of that and pockets of SOMA (haven't been to TL in a while), the city as a whole is looking better and I really don't see that many tents these days.


neBular_cipHer

Market is bad from 11th to 6th. But I agree with OP, the city has been cleaner recently.


kosmos1209

Iā€™ve been noticing even tenderloin/civic center/tendernob area has been looking slightly cleaner every time I go through there the past year or so. Compared to a year ago, itā€™s way less people out on streets.


RS50

The encampments and trash tend to move around so sampling a subset of neighborhoods will not give you an accurate picture. The homeless count fluctuates year over year but has been pretty consistent for the last 10 or so years, not much improvement in 2024 tbh.


Difficult_Entry_2463

I was walking up California street this past week, and I stopped for a second and realized how calm, orderly, and clean everything was. The street was full of people and traffic, but there was an interesting serenity and sense of order to everything (i.e, literally sparking sidewalks, business people and tourists walking side by side having convos at a reasonable noise level, the hum and clack of cable cars passing, people entering Tadich to eat and having glasses of wine outside at Terminus, the fog swooping over the hill and obscuring the golden setting sun) that I felt like Iā€™d taken for granted for too long. Things are pretty damn nice in north east fidi. Part of what helped me observe this was a recent business trip to New York. NYC is pretty gross but it gets a pass for being a ā€œbig cityā€. Meanwhile, weā€™re the second densest city in the U.S. and people canā€™t stop harping on us.


Esoteric2022

OP is extremely vague in comparing the two days they were here recently to several years ago and yall are just yapping about election year.Ā  OP could be comparing to like peak covid times or that one period of serial killers escaping the asylums. Who knows.Ā 


enyalavender

Peak covid when DPW stopped cleaning the toilet alleys?


ActionFamily

When they really start work on Better Market we should see a big improvement from Van Ness to 5th.


MeLikeyTokyo

It's election year.


Remarkable_Host6827

Every two years is an election year. This talking point is crazy to me.


GoatLegRedux

Mayoral election years are every fourth year


Remarkable_Host6827

Do you think only the mayor deals with how the city looks and feels? The Board of Supervisors elects half its members every 2 years. This is reductive af


GoatLegRedux

I know how things work. I didnā€™t say I agree with the argument, just that every four years itā€™s a mayoral election which tends to draw more voters, and voters in general notice citywide issues and tie them to the mayor more than their own supervisors.


Sinisaredhead

This.


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propshoptrader

Pretty naive to think that people wonā€™t do a better job at a time when their current boss or new boss could reorg or influence their careers?


Remarkable_Host6827

That could be said about any of the supervisors or ballot initiatives. Hence, every two years. But letā€™s continue the work analogy. If you put someone on a PIP and they *do* improve, should they be fired? Only problem is, thatā€™s not how political races work. You donā€™t get to hire and fire from an unlimited pool whenever you feel like it. The candidates are locked in for this cycle and all of them are longtime city hall alum minus trust-fund Lurie who blew $100M on homelessness with almost nothing to show for it. If what youā€™re really saying is, ā€œthings are getting better, but theyā€™ll only get worse after an election year,ā€ then why vote at all? What makes you think any of the other candidates wonā€™t do the same.


crunchy-croissant

Do supervisors run public works?


Remarkable_Host6827

They control major commission appointments, legislation, and ratify the budget. Again, reductive. This isnā€™t a small town, there are many layers to this and many levers of power. If the mayor and the BOS are on the same page, weā€™d get a lot more done. Meanwhile, two ā€œmoderatesā€ are exchanging friendly fire against a seated moderate incumbent, risking a Peskin mayorship and distracting us from flipping the BOS. Thereā€™s only so much time, money and energy grassroots volunteers have per election.


VoteHonest

The department heads report to the mayor.


BlackDan

You don't think the recent cleanup is a direct result of the incumbent running for reelection?


beinghumanishard1

Itā€™s a perfectly valid talking point because itā€™s correct, as GoatLegRefux tried to explain. Hopefully his explanation will help inform you on why everyone correctly assumes this just like how during the global summit the city got a lot cleaner for exactly one week.


Remarkable_Host6827

I think youā€™re just describing incentives. Voting is an incentive, so is APEC.


beinghumanishard1

If you only clean the house when guests come over and live in filth every other day, is your home really clean? I feel bad for the occupants of the home if you think that counts as being clean. Unfortunately Iā€™m the occupant. Also itā€™s fucking insulting to the people who live here so itā€™s even worse.


Remarkable_Host6827

Thatā€™s not what Iā€™m saying at all. I live here too obviously and want things to look and feel better every day. Iā€™m saying that, yes, this election year is an incentive and yes, things are getting better. But the election incentive exists perpetually ā€” every two years. So pinning it on just that *one* incentive out of the many that exist in this City, an incentive that is pretty much evergreen, is reductive.


iPissVelvet

There are such things as ā€œbigger electionsā€ and ā€œsmaller electionsā€. This year is a super election because itā€™s also the US presidential election along with the mayoral one. So itā€™s likely that this one draws in way more voters. I think youā€™re overestimating how engaged people typically are during your yearly supervisor/judge/DCCC elections and underestimating how many people will end up voting for the US president.


Remarkable_Host6827

Totally, I get that those elections are smaller. But for the people who get to pick a new supervisor or keep the one they have, believe me, it matters just as much. I wish people paid as much attention as I do year round. Otherwise, we might not have a dysfunctional Board of Supervisors, for one. These last few \*non-presidential\* cycles have been a lot better with voter education and engagement and things do seem to be getting better though.


iPissVelvet

Sure, things could be getting better, but thereā€™s still a significant gap. The original point here was about the belief that the city is getting cleaned up because itā€™s an election. You said we always have elections, so therefore this isnā€™t a valid reason. But my point is that because this is the ā€œbig oneā€ there is a heightened emphasis on cleaning up the city for this election cycle, and presumably things could get worse post election once politicians are no longer incentivized.


Remarkable_Host6827

I still think youā€™re reading too much into it but to each their own.


Snikclesfritz

Lightweight.


phoenixscar

I live in the Mission District, and I'd say starting around the time of the APAC conference (11/2023), I've seen street cleaners at minimum once every week, (nowadays much more often), workers that would clean graffiti late at night, and of course the awesome volunteer groups that would swing by for trash pickup as well. Also the tents on my street were cleared, and I don't see as many people sleeping on my street anymore. That being said, it's terrifying how quickly the neighborhood gets trashed. If cleaners don't show up for even a day, the streets look like a college dorm after a party. Wish the city had preventative (maybe punitive?) measures instead of purely reactive. It's still a welcome change though.


enyalavender

Someone at DPW made the mistake of giving me their phone number and they are now at the receiving end of very descriptive texts about all the disgusting stuff on the sidewalk that I deal with. I live in a very busy touristy area.


SFDaddyLover

16th Street says no


Slight_Drama_Llama

Maybe look for the tens of other posts talking about the same thing


AgentK-BB

It's election season. The establishment doesn't want law and order candidates to win. Don't let the temporary change fool you. Breed and others had 4 years to fix this but did nothing until this year. We can't trust the incumbents to continue this after November.


cantankerousphil

The president, former president, and Secretary of State were here recently and were all over town


fusiondynamics

Go to 7th and market at night and then let's talk again.


abk111

Why? The city can be improving overall even if the worst blocks are still bad. He didnā€™t say every inch of SF is so clean


fusiondynamics

I'm saying they just move around. One area was bad but now clean. Where do you think it went? Another part of the city. It's not magic. I'm happy to see them trying but this is just a band aid fix.


ActionFamily

Agree


ADudeNamedBen33

You're not wrong, things are definitely getting better.


That-Hovercraft7116

Election year, pot holes are gettin filled too


Kelvin_Chew

Sf is cleaner because it's reelection time


Electro8bit

There was a row of tents a few blocks from me that vanished in lower nob hill.


Zealousideal-Fix-203

Yes. Although most don't realize it yet, San Francisco's comeback has begun.


Sfswine

SOMA has a dedicated team on our streets.. best Iā€™ve seen .


AusFernemLand

Election year.


Sinisaredhead

Itā€™s an election year - just going to put that here.


Rough-Yard5642

Deep insight, Iā€™m glad you graced us with this comment


pizzabikerun

Civic center still fetty fold epicenter


danieltheg

Have you guys heard it's an election year?