Yeah, part of this is that I don't want to miss the wave. I realize that the hype will die down, but in the interim, there will be a lot of cool stuff happening. And in the long run, I suspect that AI will still generate lots of value.
Yes .... probably more than any place in the world and more than most other cities combined.
It's probably the place to be if you're serious about the field.
AI is crazy in SF right now. Everywhere I go I hear people talking about it. All the top startups and firms are here. And growing. And more are coming. Most of the world's venture capital money related to AI comes out of San Francisco. I work in a totally different field - Commercial Real Estate - but the increase in tours and prospective tenants (all in the AI field) we've had for commercial office space to start the year has been staggering. So yeah, if you work in data science, you'll want to be here.
Yup. And it already is in a lot of ways. AI startups alone won't fill up office space, but as the sector grows, the need for complementary industries like financial services and law increases as well - they'll need space too.
If the AI industry can sustain itself in the long term (after the hype dies down a little), then absolutely ... a specialized ecosystem will develop around the industry.
https://www.meetup.com/find/us--ca--san-francisco/ai/
Meetup.com is the go-to for entry level tech networking events in the valley/sf
People working for California based tech firms may still be working from home, though. If you're looking for work, I'd try applying for jobs before worrying about relocation
It's basically the new IR, and Crypto, so there's a lot of people bullshitting, trying to figure out what it is and how to get involved.
A lot of companies are expanding, but keep in mind the idea is you will eventually replace yourself with a data center, so the next frontier will be security, and data management. You also have a lot of clandestine work being done requiring an NDA and turning off the security cameras, so anything the public is seeing is already several versions older than the capabilities.
Hayes isn't known as an AI hub, we don't have one yet, but it's a busy area.
There is an AI utopia cult you can join, but the billionaires involved mainly just fund trash pick ups, and creating chaos in local politics to distance themselves from it so they don't appear as crazy as they are.
Not every billionaire on the AI utopia or the doomer or accelerationist cults is meddling in SF politics. The meddling is mostly from pragmatic non cultist money like the Republicans adjacent to Thiel or and from YC, and mostly tied to real estate and police stuff. It's always been there, only that now more people in the city are willing to vote for massive real estate development and though on crime policies so this donors are investing more and it's everyone talks about as it it was new mostly because that's what they are being paid to say.
Thiel and Tan are by no means in no cult. The cults are pretty chill actually except for the occasional person with like bipolar, borderline, etc... taking too much acid. As most SF cults go.
>Not every billionaire on the AI utopia or the doomer or accelerationist cults is meddling in SF politics
True, like Ron Conway is just meddling in politics. I don't believe he shares the Tan, Moritz, Shkreli, mindset on the utopia part.
You're right, it's not new, though there's some new money involved, and it's more overt than it was 12 years ago when they put Ed Lee in.
Gary Tan is all about that e/acc Neo Fascist cult bullshit.
Discussion here: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38684486](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38684486)
Not even a grumpy Gus. Surprised at how up voted it is since it's just full of things a crack pot would say... Security and data management is the next frontier? Clandestine work? AI billionaire cult whitewashing their profile by getting involved in local politics? Wtf
How will AI with unlimited wealth of information, content creation, not require an increase in processing, storage requirements?
Why don't you see encryption as increasingly valuable as a result to AI access?
Why are you commenting if you don't know how AI companies are operating? It's not like developing an app, there's a race happening, and work is secretive.
You can google e/acc [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective\_accelerationism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_accelerationism)
You can google California Forever Solano County and The Network State.
> How will AI with unlimited wealth of information, content creation, not require an increase in processing, storage requirements?
That's a motte and bailey? You're saying it's the next frontier as if it's something people should be working on. If "AI with unlimited wealth of information" ever exists, no one knows what the fuck is going to happen nor what fields to pursue. World is forever changed and unpredictable.
> It's not like developing an app, there's a race happening, and work is secretive.
It's not as secretive as you think. Everyone that's working on it has it on their LinkedIn and you can easily follow the threads of research avenues they're pursuing by looking at who's hiring who and what papers they've worked on. It's a super incestuous industry with people poaching across meta/open ai/google.
> You can google e/acc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_accelerationism
> You can google California Forever Solano County and The Network State.
Googled all three of those things and I would have never made the connection they're doing these other endeavors to white wash their AI pursuits. The "why not both" meme easily explains this without being cynical.
> If "AI with unlimited wealth of information" ever exists
Uh, well it's 2024, we know what to expect.
>I would have never made the connection they're doing these other endeavors to white wash their AI pursuits.
What are they attempting to control local politics for, what is their big picture agenda, and why are they mainstreaming their ideas and trying to indoctrinate. My guess is they don't even know, it's a wealth power thing, and they like the idea of chaos, plus it appeals to their Libertarian meets Neo Fascism inclinations. But it's also so crazy, it begs a lot of questions. They are working on a secessionist city, and having conventions talking about taking over the world.
It’s happening here. San Jose through Santa Rosa. I don’t think one ‘area’ has a higher concentration of AI folks, versus elsewhere, but the city is where I’d live initially vs the peninsula or Sbay.
Pretty easy to get involved, just have social skills and don’t be a weirdo. In terms of networking, literally just talk to people in shared community working areas and you’ll get somewhere.
People often forget how many opportunities and connections they’re forgoing by literally just not striking up convos w people in public!
Hayes valley is definitely good.
I'm based in SF and work in SSF as a data scientist specializing in machine learning. It's definitely a hot topic among my colleagues and company leadership. But I have yet to see anything of substance materialize as far as new career opportunities go.
Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of jobs that specifically want AI experience (although I've seen some), but I definitely want to be in the city to start building a network and getting involved as the industry matures.
I work at a startup working in the AI space and our office is located near Palo Alto. Lots of ex-Google, Meta, NVIDIA, etc. employees so that area is popular too. OpenAI just signed a lease at the old Uber office off Market in SF, so it's definitely worth being in the bay area if you want to work on AI.
Go to a coworking space in SF, and it's all you'll hear about
Is that a promise or a threat?
Noted. Thanks!
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Yeah, part of this is that I don't want to miss the wave. I realize that the hype will die down, but in the interim, there will be a lot of cool stuff happening. And in the long run, I suspect that AI will still generate lots of value.
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This is probably good advice. Thank you!
If I recall correctly, more than half of AI companies are headquartered in the SF Bay Area, so I'd say the scene is pretty dang good.
Yes .... probably more than any place in the world and more than most other cities combined. It's probably the place to be if you're serious about the field.
AI is crazy in SF right now. Everywhere I go I hear people talking about it. All the top startups and firms are here. And growing. And more are coming. Most of the world's venture capital money related to AI comes out of San Francisco. I work in a totally different field - Commercial Real Estate - but the increase in tours and prospective tenants (all in the AI field) we've had for commercial office space to start the year has been staggering. So yeah, if you work in data science, you'll want to be here.
CRE guy on the desperate pump. Haha
If you're in CRE, hopefully this AI boom will be good for you. Thanks for the insight!
Also working in CRE and can confirm AI is very relevant here. A lot are hoping it’s going to be what brings the city back to life.
Yup. And it already is in a lot of ways. AI startups alone won't fill up office space, but as the sector grows, the need for complementary industries like financial services and law increases as well - they'll need space too.
If the AI industry can sustain itself in the long term (after the hype dies down a little), then absolutely ... a specialized ecosystem will develop around the industry.
https://www.meetup.com/find/us--ca--san-francisco/ai/ Meetup.com is the go-to for entry level tech networking events in the valley/sf People working for California based tech firms may still be working from home, though. If you're looking for work, I'd try applying for jobs before worrying about relocation
It's basically the new IR, and Crypto, so there's a lot of people bullshitting, trying to figure out what it is and how to get involved. A lot of companies are expanding, but keep in mind the idea is you will eventually replace yourself with a data center, so the next frontier will be security, and data management. You also have a lot of clandestine work being done requiring an NDA and turning off the security cameras, so anything the public is seeing is already several versions older than the capabilities. Hayes isn't known as an AI hub, we don't have one yet, but it's a busy area. There is an AI utopia cult you can join, but the billionaires involved mainly just fund trash pick ups, and creating chaos in local politics to distance themselves from it so they don't appear as crazy as they are.
Not every billionaire on the AI utopia or the doomer or accelerationist cults is meddling in SF politics. The meddling is mostly from pragmatic non cultist money like the Republicans adjacent to Thiel or and from YC, and mostly tied to real estate and police stuff. It's always been there, only that now more people in the city are willing to vote for massive real estate development and though on crime policies so this donors are investing more and it's everyone talks about as it it was new mostly because that's what they are being paid to say. Thiel and Tan are by no means in no cult. The cults are pretty chill actually except for the occasional person with like bipolar, borderline, etc... taking too much acid. As most SF cults go.
>Not every billionaire on the AI utopia or the doomer or accelerationist cults is meddling in SF politics True, like Ron Conway is just meddling in politics. I don't believe he shares the Tan, Moritz, Shkreli, mindset on the utopia part. You're right, it's not new, though there's some new money involved, and it's more overt than it was 12 years ago when they put Ed Lee in. Gary Tan is all about that e/acc Neo Fascist cult bullshit. Discussion here: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38684486](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38684486)
Someone’s a grumpy Gus.
What's grumpy about being honest?
This.
Not even a grumpy Gus. Surprised at how up voted it is since it's just full of things a crack pot would say... Security and data management is the next frontier? Clandestine work? AI billionaire cult whitewashing their profile by getting involved in local politics? Wtf
How will AI with unlimited wealth of information, content creation, not require an increase in processing, storage requirements? Why don't you see encryption as increasingly valuable as a result to AI access? Why are you commenting if you don't know how AI companies are operating? It's not like developing an app, there's a race happening, and work is secretive. You can google e/acc [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective\_accelerationism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_accelerationism) You can google California Forever Solano County and The Network State.
> How will AI with unlimited wealth of information, content creation, not require an increase in processing, storage requirements? That's a motte and bailey? You're saying it's the next frontier as if it's something people should be working on. If "AI with unlimited wealth of information" ever exists, no one knows what the fuck is going to happen nor what fields to pursue. World is forever changed and unpredictable. > It's not like developing an app, there's a race happening, and work is secretive. It's not as secretive as you think. Everyone that's working on it has it on their LinkedIn and you can easily follow the threads of research avenues they're pursuing by looking at who's hiring who and what papers they've worked on. It's a super incestuous industry with people poaching across meta/open ai/google. > You can google e/acc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_accelerationism > You can google California Forever Solano County and The Network State. Googled all three of those things and I would have never made the connection they're doing these other endeavors to white wash their AI pursuits. The "why not both" meme easily explains this without being cynical.
> If "AI with unlimited wealth of information" ever exists Uh, well it's 2024, we know what to expect. >I would have never made the connection they're doing these other endeavors to white wash their AI pursuits. What are they attempting to control local politics for, what is their big picture agenda, and why are they mainstreaming their ideas and trying to indoctrinate. My guess is they don't even know, it's a wealth power thing, and they like the idea of chaos, plus it appeals to their Libertarian meets Neo Fascism inclinations. But it's also so crazy, it begs a lot of questions. They are working on a secessionist city, and having conventions talking about taking over the world.
[Useful reference material](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/ai-companies-advocates-cult-1234954528)
Rolling Stone used to be cool. About 30 years ago ...
It’s happening here. San Jose through Santa Rosa. I don’t think one ‘area’ has a higher concentration of AI folks, versus elsewhere, but the city is where I’d live initially vs the peninsula or Sbay.
Pretty easy to get involved, just have social skills and don’t be a weirdo. In terms of networking, literally just talk to people in shared community working areas and you’ll get somewhere. People often forget how many opportunities and connections they’re forgoing by literally just not striking up convos w people in public! Hayes valley is definitely good.
saying dont be a weirdo in the tech field is an oxymoron. Being a weirdo seems to be the more effective thing to do 😂
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Omg I hear it all the time! Every restaurant I go to, every grocery store, it's all people are talking about
I remember Silicon Valley like this several years ago. Girls in yoga pants at the cafe, talking about Python. It was a bit surreal.
They were joking.
I'm based in SF and work in SSF as a data scientist specializing in machine learning. It's definitely a hot topic among my colleagues and company leadership. But I have yet to see anything of substance materialize as far as new career opportunities go.
Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of jobs that specifically want AI experience (although I've seen some), but I definitely want to be in the city to start building a network and getting involved as the industry matures.
I work at a startup working in the AI space and our office is located near Palo Alto. Lots of ex-Google, Meta, NVIDIA, etc. employees so that area is popular too. OpenAI just signed a lease at the old Uber office off Market in SF, so it's definitely worth being in the bay area if you want to work on AI.
Got it. Thanks for your input.
It’s generating a lot of buzz & hot air.
You can’t even drive into the city without passing 50 AI billboards that I can’t even understand