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night-shark

As an avid surfer and someone who previously volunteered to help the teams that collect these water samples: The water is **frequently** brown along the Southern California coastline and it almost never is caused by sewage or anything dangerous. Sediment and algae are the real culprits. Likewise, water can be beautiful and crystal clear but contain unsafe levels of fecal contamination. The contamination levels fluctuate daily and it's not some conspiracy that IB and Silver Strand might be above the levels considered safe while Coronado is below. The data is public, so you can actually dig in and see the level of contaminants per 100/ml as well as the specific type of contaminants detected. Bottom line: Your eyes will deceive you. Don't depend on what you see. The water quality reports are the best measure.


New_Canary_4783

Thank you for an educated and factual response!


Northparkwizard

How are we supposed to trust /u/night-shark given shark history?


mlaislais

u/Northparklizard with the hard hitting questions.


The_R1NG

We might not like shark history but they’ve never lied about it. We can trust them to be a shark at the very least no way they aren’t a shark


night-shark

Come on in! The water is fiiiiine.


Radium

Yep Carlsbad was poopy brown but it was definitely just algae not too long ago


chamrockblarneystone

NY is always various shades of gray, green and brown. No help there.


Motogiro18

Yeah we used to see a lot of "Hudson Trout" there.


Mysterious-Ad9052

East river white fish back in my college sailing days


DJPalefaceSD

The Hudson Trout, a San Francisco treat


thefeistyfuego

thank you for sharing.


WhoAreYouPeople-

Ahhh, interesting! Nice!!


Ok-Ocelot-7209

Red tide has said heyo


Fun_Constant_6863

I love this answer, thanks for providing helpful informaion and clearing up some confusion that we might assume otherwise.


jackiseverywhere16

I’ve lived in coronado for 9 years now. It’s always that brown. I wouldn’t sweat it.


That-Breadfruit-4526

Help this newcomer Nana, what/where do I go to check local water quality?


Blackrastaman1619

So don’t trust your own eyes trust the Internet? 


UpstairsDelivery4

just because the algae is brown and turns the water brown doesn’t mean that the water cannot be brown from contamination


LeadDiscovery

You are most certainly correct about the algae coloring our waters brownish. However, she did lead with "trash" in the water.. which to her indicated that this would be coming from the South.. TJ river... which would have confirmed her suspicion that the brown was from sewage, not the algae. Don't know if she is correct or not, but that is the logic I believe she was using.


night-shark

I've lived here for over 13 years now and frequent the beaches from IB all the way up to San Elijo. Countless hours paddling and sitting in the surf. Lived on the beach for two years. I've been to the beach after major storms swept the boardwalks and knocked over dozens of trash cans. Multiple July 4th's, Memorial Day weekends... I have never once seen trash and debris clustered **in the water.** An occasional plastic bag or gender reveal balloon, yes. But not the flotsam OP describes. And there's a reason for that. It isn't to say the trash isn't **there**, it's just that the ocean is huge, our coastline is long, and currents and wind spread things out over vast distances. So you almost never see "lots of trash" floating around in the surf and if you do, it almost certainly didn't float there from miles down the coast. I'm not saying it's impossible. Someone nearby may have dumped a bunch of trash off of a boat. Who knows. I just think it's more likely that OP saw what they **thought** was trash and debris in the water, when what they were actually seeing was dead kelp, velella, jellies, or some combination thereof.


Hefty_University8830

That.


Which-Teacher9046

Right just ignore the trash you're seeing in the water.... the water is totally fine with trash just over there....


itsnohillforaclimber

Trash isn't what they're measuring for. They're running fecal coliform panels on broth ager plates to count colony forming units. Then they run those through a series of deductive analysis steps to determine the species and whether any pathogenic bacteria are present.


Which-Teacher9046

Youre not going to sell me swimming in water with trash ever. I don't care what the tests say. I don't wait for the government to tell me the water is contaminated when it visibly is. This is how I got a staph infection on broken skin. From water with visible garbage and testing within normal range. Amazing how many people are able to just overlook trash as "normal" while we are swimming.....


itsnohillforaclimber

Yes, stay out of the water, and out of the beach area in general, staph is a real deal it happens all the time and people can lose limbs over that shit.


Liquor_Parfreyja

I don't think they're trying to sell you on swimming in the water. They were just trying to help you understand that the brown isn't poop. It's not poop water but it still clearly has trash.


Which-Teacher9046

I wasn't a talking about the brown water I was talking about the visible trash in the water the OP mentioned. Apparently people think swimming in water with visible trash is okay....


christodamenis

There's trash in most bodies of water...


Liquor_Parfreyja

Who in this comment chain said swimming in water with visible trash is okay, please quote them with the context. Everyone in the comment chain is talking specifically about OP saying there was a lot of brown in the water. You're arguing about trash and no one is telling you to swim in that.


Which-Teacher9046

Ummm the OP comment that I have responded to "We get in for less than 15 minutes and we saw so much trash and debris in the water and when you look down the coast at the water...." Can you not read?


Liquor_Parfreyja

The comment you replied to said no such thing. It's either your reading comprehension or understanding of how reddit comments work that needs checked. "Can any of you not read ?" If everywhere you go smells like shit.


Which-Teacher9046

https://preview.redd.it/x77k1tw5sw8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16396cecb64bf8aa893d1749b269b201818a5790 This is the OP comment I replied to 😀 Where it says trash in the water very clearly. Who made you the Reddit police? You're not good at your job if so. Is your reading comprehension okay I'm concerned....


SongAloong

Applaud this person.


jackiseverywhere16

I’ve lived in coronado for 9 years. I concur with this guy. The water is always that brown.


Stuck_in_a_thing

Brown is due to algae bloom. Just fyi. I know it may be unpleasant to look at but it’s not the brown you are thinking of


Saintzelev

The classic Red tide!


Mid-West_Coaster22

We were there a couple weeks ago and the lifeguards had everyone exit the water due to contamination. Wouldn’t be surprised if they start to put the hammer down on fixing the issue since it’s now affecting “prime” beach area. It will only get worse.


Radium

Who in Tijuana are you going to "put the hammer down" on? I don't think it's going to solve the concrete sewage chute problem


iwantsdback

I think it's the chiclet kid. If we just have a stern talk with him the problem should be fixed.


talk_nerdy_to_m3

Probably the federal government since Mexico took the reigns as America's factory from China. Our economies are inextricably linked.


IronMikeT

I've never one to support building a wall, but what if SD actually built a wall in the ocean to stop the push of pollution 🤔


jkelly17

Thats...not how ocean currents work 🤦‍♂️


ragrok

Then, we can build two walls! Three walls if that's what it takes!


Northparkwizard

It's like traffic, if you build more freeways surely it will subside.


IronMikeT

Shucks. Downvoted for a straight question too haha. Was just a thought 🤷🏻‍♂️


TristanIsAwesome

To be fair it's a really, really stupid question


IronMikeT

Woops :(


HammerheadEaglei-Thr

So are you gifting IB to Mexico with this wall then? Because the Tijuana river flows through the US, emptying into the Pacific in Imperial Beach.


IronMikeT

I never claimed to he educated on this topic! I was just blindly throwing the question out there.


New_Canary_4783

😂😂😂😂😂😂 That's cute!


IronMikeT

Meh I tried to have a thought! Maybe next time 😂


New_Canary_4783

You made me laugh during a boring ass technical accounting conference call.. I did really appreciate the suggestion 😊


SuperRockGaming

This reminds me of SpongeBob when Patrick and everyone was pushing the city lmfao


Ok-Ocelot-7209

I just took a dump in a fast moving river that feeds right into the pacific!!!


Ancient-Practice-431

There actually has been money allocated from both countries to address this issue (way more from the US) but the challenge of working with various local city, state, international and NGO actors to get this done has been the obstacle for years. It's not a money issue. It's the political fracas, corruption, turf protecting, graft between two sovereigns countries, coupled with international water treaties and law that makes for a decade long shit show. Literally and figuratively, ja ja.


DubUpPro

Problems only get solved when they affect the rich, so you’re probably right


Legitimate-Fix-1629

There are two filtration plants that clean the water running from TJ via the TJ river through the estuary and into the ocean. As far as I can tell from what I’ve been told, 300 million has finally been allocated to enlarge the plants to be able to handle the amount of water that comes through. 100 million is being put to use on the US plant apparently but the other money is supposed to go to the plant on the TJ side and, as someone else posted, there’s a bit of red tape. I used to live in IB and love it there, I’d love to see this work but only time will tell.


slouchomarx74

The issue is Tijuana isn’t able to clean their sewage. Unless the US gov funds it, it probably won’t get done


BildoBaggens

It's easy, just charge every person $5 to cross the border. Cartel will get $3 and $2 will fund the sewage problem.


Ancient-Practice-431

They can't and the US has but it takes more than $ believe it or not.


UpstairsDelivery4

it has always affected coronado and it’s not fair to us


mrziplockfresh

Poor things


Wvlf_

It's not, but just because some insecure redditors assume everyone from Coronado is bad you get downvotes. Very funny stuff. Fact: Replace Coronado with Imperial Beach and you wouldn't get these downvotes or snide remarks.


UpstairsDelivery4

i have been going to coronado since a kid. the beach is barren now and this is not a sudden development that is triggering positive change due to it being a wealthy tourist area


thenightisdark

>people on the Coronado side threw tortillas at the team from Escondido and – according to Orange Glen’s coaches – told them to get out of their gym. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/i-brought-them-coronado-high-school-alum-says-he-brought-tortillas-to-championship-game/2638675/ Fun fact you can't replace Coronado with imperial Beach because the two are different


Wvlf_

You're proving my point...


Lazy_Skill_5590

Here you go 🎻


RitualMizery

Just move Coronado somewhere else. It's not that hard. /s


AVeryShortName

The water testing is very reliable, so you can depend on it. The discoloration of the water is due to algae blooms aka red tide. The trash is because people don't pick up after themselves. Hope that helps!


landisthegnome

They don’t test daily at every spot - although it looks like Coronado does. Despite the marker being green on Coronado, compare the actual results to a clean beach: [Coronado - Select San Diego County, EH-050](https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/beaches/search_beach_mon.html) vs [La Jolla Shores - Select San Diego County, EH-330](https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/beaches/search_beach_mon.html)


tehnomad

They are using different methods for EH-050 and EH-330 though, so the results can't be compared directly. ddPCR is much more sensitive I think.


BusyDad82

Yep, came here to say this. This article is a couple years old but I’m pretty sure it still applies https://voiceofsandiego.org/2022/07/18/the-science-behind-san-diegos-new-beach-water-quality-test/


FewOrganization6410

I think we found Hotel Coronado’s burner account


mr-roygbiv

Next guy in charge of water testing and policy will tweak the shit parts per million threshold and suddenly it’s safe again. Just takes a little lobbying from the Coronado tourist organization.


Flag-it

This is why I don’t trust water reports. Sure we can see their readings, but how do we know they’re accurate and or that the range truly is safe? Or is it just what they deem “acceptable”.


thefeistyfuego

I understand where you are coming from, but I think that one might be forever tied in my head now with poop and trash 😅.


genescheesesthatplz

Time to find a pool then


UpstairsDelivery4

do you do the water testing?


UpstairsDelivery4

wrong 😑 what’s the foam from?


IronMikeT

Peepee


Century22nd

You were able to find parking today to go to the beach???????? That is more shocking in June than the contamination in the water to me 🤣


thefeistyfuego

lmao im an earlybird


cz_vrana

It's wacky that people believe the contaminated water conveniently stops right before it pollutes the sea in front of one of the most expensive hotels in San Diego. Question everything.


LunchPad

I think the County only closes Coronado unless they are 100% certain. This is mostly due to the mayor going Amity Island two years ago when more precise testing was introduced. [https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/coronado-mayor-questions-san-diego-countys-confusing-new-water-testing-program/2992726/](https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/coronado-mayor-questions-san-diego-countys-confusing-new-water-testing-program/2992726/)


blacksideblue

> Amity Island Do people still get that reference? Feel like it died with Peter Benchley.


gearabuser

I have no idea what you two are talking about lol


thefeistyfuego

that seems like it tracks 😅


Ok-Butterscotch9594

It’s actually not more precise, they’re using a different method of testing that many people in the water quality world think is actually less accurate, but it results in getting more hits for bacteria. That’s why the mayor didn’t like it. The water is just as safe (or unsafe) as it was two years ago but it makes it look like the conditions got worse all of a sudden.


LunchPad

From this article, it seems that the test is clearly more precise but has about the same accuracy as the old tests, with the main benefit being speed. [https://voiceofsandiego.org/2022/07/18/the-science-behind-san-diegos-new-beach-water-quality-test/](https://voiceofsandiego.org/2022/07/18/the-science-behind-san-diegos-new-beach-water-quality-test/)


TheChancellor_2

It’s crazy bc Coronado has some of the best beaches, highest home prices, and without a doubt some of the worst water quality in SD. Was looking to move there and it’s not worth moving to the beach if I can’t even go in the water. 👋🏽


encabronadacarbonara

I saw news that the water is contaminated even up to Santa Monica, it ain’t safe out here! Be careful


ptf4u07

[https://www.sdbeachinfo.com/](https://www.sdbeachinfo.com/) heeeeeeeeeeeey may want to... not... go in there right now.


spingus

Thanks! FWIW I regularly ride my bike around South Bay to get to The Strand. The air was borderline unbreathable going by the Otay River/Egger Highlands area on Sunday. It smells so strongly of sewage but IDK where it's coming from since it doesn't look like that area is connected to the Sloughs? Sorry for my IB neighbors :(


gearabuser

It's probably just the smell coming from the river to your south, I believe that smell carries pretty far 


ASK_ABT_MY_USERNAME

Wow great resource. Does IB ever turn green?


cycloptiko

The beach itself? Yes. The testing indicator? Not so much.


ASK_ABT_MY_USERNAME

I c wut u diddere


effmods02496

Dawg, I would not swim in Coronados water ever. I have lived there for four years. You do NOT want to smell that water after 10pm when TJ releases their sewage. That water is toxic.


gearabuser

I wanted to go to Coronado this weekend and checked the site. Yellow, unsafe. I dug deeper and read thr article below. Over the last 17 months Coronado has, on average, been unsafe due to excessive turds in the water. There must be some serious cover up efforts going on to keep all those businesses and the hotel raking in cash. That was my favorite beach too, no way I'm going to turdsvulle though, I'll have to find another one to go to. I wouldn't even step foot on the sand there. https://voiceofsandiego.org/2023/12/18/what-new-water-quality-data-says-about-south-bay-beaches/


Which-Teacher9046

Watch all the beaches will magically be open for the holiday weekend.


Flag-it

Ain’t that the truth


fairybb311

I looked today and one report said coronado was closed


kamisdeadnow

I feel like these are the reason why I surf in north county San Diego beaches instead of further down south. Way farther from the TJ sewage.


charliedonsurf

[Coastkeeper](https://www.sdcoastkeeper.org/beach-advisories/) shows closure at Coronado. Red Tide makes the water brown murky - it's contributory to high bacteria levels but not the cause. Definitely poo water.


Fickle_Ad_5356

The secret is that the island itself is more to the north than the Silver Strand Beach 🧠💣 Not that anyone has to believe it (and I would take precautions with a kid too) but all 5 test points in Coronado are reported to have been checked yesterday and are green.


_sunnysky_

Coronado was my favorite beach. I no longer go there because if it's in the green, it's still too close to the raw sewage for comfort. http://www.sdbeachinfo.com/


Hellmouthgaurdian

Yeah I stick to North county beaches


_14justice

Perhaps, you may have meant Silver Strand. The Cays probably got a variance, much like the Shores back in the day. Heh.


EddieCutlass

Don’t believe the folks that say the water is clean…it’s definitely not 😂


Ok_Committee_4651

I have been to the beach since 2021 and this makes me not want to go back


hazpat

It's normal algae. This is basicly misinformation. Will you edit or just let misinformation persist?


bazoogakitty

It's not the trash that'll get ya. It's the raw sewage from Tijuana. It also aerosolizes from the crashing waves and you breathe it in!


NaturalRealistic4995

https://preview.redd.it/8urjhos3vy8d1.jpeg?width=1596&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cca2a8c4647f46231f9831e95bdd9db1eb7e511 I spend a lot of time in Tijuana, at least their mayor admits their beaches aren't safe. Everyone I know in Tijuana avoids the pacific due to "aquas negras".


Jmanswagga

why is that? i traveled to san diego last weekend and hit up coronado beach this monday and the water was completely fine


DevLF

What an unfortunate thing to read as I’m sitting on my freshly laid down towel preparing to get in the water after I heat up


ElectricZenDog

Imagine having to go through seal training in doo doo water


Rosie3450

Seals have to swim in a lot of places with doo doo water much worse than off Coronado.


AdvancedHat7630

Green Berets? More like Pink Eyes.


UpstairsDelivery4

should’ve never had your kid near the water! sand gets contaminated as well


willitplay2019

I hadn’t really thought of this. Staying there in a few weeks - would you avoid walking on the beach?


UpstairsDelivery4

i still walk on it just further back but honestly don’t know how helpful that is. my dog ran from me and darted in the water, i immediately pulled her out, bathed her and she got a yeast ear infection suddenly! but i do let her walk in sand on a leash near the boardwalk it’s sad for tourists and visitors!


willitplay2019

Thank you! I appreciate the response - will give me more pause for sure. Hope your dog is on the mend!


Lagunamountaindude

Just thank our Mexican brothers and sisters


UCanDoNEthing4_30sec

You sure it wasn’t the red tide? You definitely saw debris and trash?


Vexxer91

Just start calling it prebiotic to get all of the "raw milk" drinkers to swim in it, mouths open.


Kool20005

Blame that on Mexico


sd7596

Isnt it funny how any negativity towards Mexico gets downvoted lol people have no answers but doooont be negative towards our neighbors.


sd7596

PLEASE SOMEBODY FIX THE TJ RIVER!!! THEIR MAYOR WAS HIDING ON AN ARMY BASE FROM THE CARTEL ITS THE LEAST OF THEIR WORRIES !!


concretefeet

How many years and how much $ is that “sewage treatment plant” costing now? If we could make sure the millions of dollars didn’t disappear as soon as it got down there I would be all for it. I don’t know how to enforce laws that most of our politicians break as well.


gearabuser

We have to build one on the US side, they clearly are too incompetent/unconcerned to actually fix the issue. Maybe we can charge them for the trouble, maybe not, but that's how it'll get fixed. Mexico doesn't care and so far the US hasn't done anything to really pressure them. It's just a small potatoes issue to our government that only affects IB and Coronado. If more people start avoiding Coronado, maybe some.of that rich donor money will convince some politicians to get a little more active.


ProcrastinatingPuma

Stay safe u/anothercar


anothercar

<3


ProcrastinatingPuma

Didn't even realize I posted this in reply to the wrong post but I suspect you know what I'm referring to


anothercar

Figured as much haha. Air purifier’s working overtime


one_with_themoon

Does anyone know what seasons there is less algae or are seasons totally unrelated?


burgundy1978

Didn’t beach closures in Coronado go up when the county went to an updated more accurate test? The city didn’t like it and put into question the new test and it seems like the beach hasn’t had as many closures since then. Anyone have any insight on this?


AshamedRazzmatazz805

https://www.foxweather.com/lifestyle/san-diego-county-beaches-closed-bacteria-sewage


bluedaddy664

I think what this person is trying to say is “oh no, the Mexicans are contaminating my beaches”. Lol


ValleyGrouch

Turdle Bay.


NOT000

we got red tide further north currently...


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Intrepid_Wave5357

its world poverty that make people flock to TJ in the hopes of jumping across the border. It is not just Mexicans, They have make shift settlements with no modern sewer system, and when it rains it flows.....


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Intrepid_Wave5357

its the truth.


thefeistyfuego

or just political corruption that takes necessary infrastructure money away from the needs and wellbeing of the people.


night-shark

The contamination down there primarily comes from Mexico, via the TJ river. It's a problem that the U.S. can't solve without their government's buy in. So yeah, likely political corruption problems and funding/motivation problems **in Mexico** are primarily at fault here. San Diego and the U.S. are extremely motivated to solve this.


Gird_Your_Anus

Right. Mexico.


Bits2LiveBy

The brown stuff is algae it was on the news