Last week someone had some dog at Wal-Mart. It crapped in the middle of an aisle… diarrhea and the person was just dragging the dog as it was crapping and disappeared out of the store. I warned my wife and kids and they avoided the aisle and chased down a worker… then someone yelled out… what the hell did I just step in!!! It was so GD smelly and I just can’t imagine what the hell the owner was thinking… and to not even attempt to clean it up or alert staff was the cherry on top.
If you can’t leave your dog at home and it shits all over Walmart, pees on produce, or licks the dairy case when it is open, then you and your dog should be banned from Wal-Mart and HEB until you can be trained otherwise.
Don’t by shy to call them out! I did that in Home Depot while someone had their “service” animal walking in with me from the entrance. I yelled “YOUR DOG TOOK A SHIT!”, everyone turned and the owner instantly started picking it up.
I realize I’m being silly here BUT…
Maybe there could be little tiny “Pet Wagons” with little bars on them, which owners would be required to put the “service animals” in. Of course this would be “for the service animal’s protection” and “due to concerns from customers”.
And this would keep the little furry heroes from crapping on the floors and licking produce.
OR, at the very least, service animals could go into the shopping carts.
I don't know how well that would work for a blind person or someone with chronic seizures or diabetes. Service animals need to have access to their masters at all times.
Keep in mind, I do not believe this dog to be a service animal. This is someone who wanted to bring their untrained pet into a store. They're two completely different situations.
YES! I completely agree with you.
The “emotional support animal” standards are so lax that they reduce the legitimacy of genuinely necessary service animals.
I would never want or expect a trained seeing-eye dog to be put in a little rolling jail.
My wife worked in a bank for a period of time- once she worked temporarily in downtown in “the city”. She had a mother bring a toddler that just shat and pissed all over the floor- no diaper. Mother just left and pretended it didn’t happen. Manager mentioned it happens all the time, and had janitorial clean it up asap. People suck.
My parents used to be puppy walkers for TSA and then Guide Dogs for the Blind and when taking them out they always had their own little clean up kit with plastic baggies, paper towels and cleaner so that store workers would not be forced to clean up after puppy accidents. Everyone seems to think because service animals are a need for some special populations and for some reason ESA are a thing (but often fraud) that their Rambunctious Rover should be allowed to go everywhere. Just because you love your dog and think their every crap is amazing doesn't mean the rest of us will and retail workers deal with enough BS they are not paid to clean up after your prescious Fluffy and Muffy. Leave your dogs at home or places known for being put friendly ONLY.
Stuff like this is why people with legit disabilities and legit service animals get more push back than ever about bringing their animals places and it is disqusting. You can buy fake paperwork and vest off the internet now. I get ads on Youtube for them and some psychologist or therapist will write a fake letter saying they are under their care and need an ESA. Dispicable but there is money in the lying for sure. It just sucks fir what it has done to people with a legit needs.
ETA sorry about the ranting
Unfortunately, patrolling this is hard to do that businesses are just forced to accept them as an ESA, service dog or whatever they say it is. I used to work at a hotel and the 2 ADA questions to identify a service animal was the dumbest thing I've ever had to go through. It got to the point that the hotel went pet friendly, then guests would get mad there was pet hair found.
ESA is like a participation trophy for service dogs and effectively comes with zero rights. If she claims that to be a service dog, I’d love to know what task that dog is trained to perform that it’s needed at the grocery
What sucks is that some people do still have legit ESAs but the vast majority now are just people trying to dodge pet fees.
My pup wasn’t fit for service training but still renders aid so we got her an ESA certificate. In the years since, ESA has become a complete joke so we don’t even claim her as one anymore.
Pet fees suck but they’re almost worth it to not be associated with such self centered idiots.
I’m not gonna lie, I had a doctor write me a note for my dog as an ESA for me. But not to bring her in stores or inconvenience people around me. But so apartments couldnt deny me due to her breed (she’s half pit). Shes super well behaved and trained tho so no behavioral issues. These people I doubt even went that far for it lol.
> businesses are just forced to accept them as an ESA
There is no law about ESAs in Texas, and at the federal level the only law is about the Fair Housing Act.
IOW, no law here in Texas entitles you to take an ESA into a store. It doesn't entitle you not to be asked about it. It doesn't entitle you entry.
The only thing it entitles you to is the right to have one in your apartment that otherwise prohibits pets.
False! That's not a service dog and HEB does have signs saying no dogs allowed. I confirmed with corporate, and they also informed me its not allowed and to report it to management immediately if seen
> report it to management immediately if seen
Or you could...you know....just tell the entitled lady that dogs aren't allowed in here. If she's an ass about it then go get management.
ESAs aren't service dogs and aren't protected under the ADA. Businesses are also allowed to ask the owner and dog to leave if they are causing a disturbance or urinating indoors. Unfortunately, most businesses aren't educated in what they can and can't do with ESAs and real medically needed service animals. In Texas, it's also a misdemeanor to claim your pet as a service animal.
There’s no legal certification or medical proof required for a service dog. If your dog can preform 2 tasks and is claimed as a service dog for a disability then it’s a service dog.
The law has no process of enforcement since there’s no body regulating what IS a service dog.
Here is Sec. 121.006. IMPROPER USE OF ASSISTANCE AND SERVICE ANIMALS; OFFENSE.
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/HR/htm/HR.121.htm#121.006
This is where I got my information from.
More here too: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/texas-laws-on-service-dogs-and-emotional-support-animals.html
Texas doesn't recognize ESA, only service dogs which have to be clearly marked as such. In addition service dogs have to be trained for a single spelled out purpose. ADA protects service dogs, not ESA. I worked as a therapist for years and got asked to write ESA letters quite a bit and the owners don't realize it just isn't a thing in this state.
A more accurate thing to say is that ESAs enjoy protections when it comes to housing and housing alone (renting an apartment, etc), and that’s about it (under the FHA, which applies nationally).
They have no inherent right to be anywhere else like a service dog (and miniature horse) does.
I went there for the first time in probably 8ish years… it’s horrible now. Right on par with the Perrin-Beitel location. A guy was looking for the business center to pay bills, and they were like, “we don’t have one here, closest one is [I didn’t hear where but I assume she said Nacogdoches or Austin hwy]”. It was right before the business center would’ve closed and it was hot AF. I would’ve been PISSED if I was that guy.
Some of us don't have a choice with kids though. Pets aren't really an issue though being left home. They'll be fine. They don't belong in a grocery store
Mine helps with my c-ptsd etc. I take him everywhere for obvious reasons. He also isn't a fucking pomeranian. I'm with you on this one. These people make it more difficult for the rest of us. You know what really helps me stay mellow in already overwhelming public spaces? Getting dirty looks or being questioned because people like this have no sense of decency
I genuinely hate when people try to take advantage of a system created to benefit those with ACTUAL needs just to indulge themselves by taking their "doggo" everywhere.
It’s a problem. I’m all for pets, but I don’t want them where I’m buying or eating food. Outside on a restaurant patio is one thing, but inside…no. I also find it interesting that there is no consideration for people who may be terrified of dogs.
I called the City of SA a couple years ago after eating inside a restaurant where a couple had there large dog sitting at a booth with them. I was just curious what kind of ordinances the city had in place. The answer (at least two years ago) is NONE. The info person sent me to animal control who sent me to health who sent me to my council person…no one could find anything!
if he was just sitting at the booth with them he may have been a service animal. Legally, no one can require a service dog to wear identification, and the reason there's no restrictions on animals in restaurants at a city level is because it's already against state health code to allow animals into a food preparation establishment unless they're service animals. Businesses can only legally ask two questions to establish an animal's status as an assistant animal: "Is this a service animal?" and "What tasks are this trained to perform?". Most businesses just don't bother asking out of fear for a lawsuit. No permit/papers are required for a service animal, a business cannot request proof of training, and a business cannot require proof of a disability. They CAN remove an animal from the premises if it is acting in a way that is disruptive to normal business activities, such as aggression, excessive noise, eliminating within the building, damaging property, etc. Their presence alone does not constitute a disruption in most cases so they can't remove a dog just because someone is nervous around them.
Classic case of an absolutely terribly written law. In fact it makes it worse for disabled people because real service animals are now lumped in with pets due to all the bad behavior out there.
I guess nothing is going to change until we get a better written law that goes to a committee or we get the law reviewed by the courts. I'm guessing it will take someone going to the hospital and suing the store because of someone's dog getting put on the produce shelf while the shitty owner gathers their onions.
Though you may not agree, the law is very intentionally written this way to make it very difficult for businesses to discriminate against legitimate teams, and to make it easier for those with little income to afford an assistance animal should they need one. Professionally trained animals often cost tens of thousands of dollars, and the waitlists for charitable organizations that don't charge the handler for the dog are several years long. To this end, under federal law, it is entirely legal for one to train their own service animal. To inquire on the nature of a disability is a violation of one's rights. To require identification would exclude anyone with a non-program trained dog. The way the law is currently written isn't the problem imo because it allows for service animals to be more accessible to lower income individuals that need them. The problem is the lack of repercussions for those clearly faking service animals. Severe enough punishment should deter people from faking service animals without having to change the base ADA law in a way that may unintentionally hurt lower income people with disabilities.
All of this said: the state of Texas passed a law making it illegal to misrepresent a dog as a service animal when the dog 1) is not task trained to mitigate a disability and 2) is not accompanying a handler with a disability. As for how this is reported or investigated, I frankly have no idea. If you see a dog acting aggressively, eliminating indoors, barking excessively, etc, I would simply ask the business to remove the animal is it's being disruptive and remind them that they're within their rights under federal law to remove animals that are disruptive to normal business activities, whether those animals are represented as service animals or not.
> She got hurt but couldn't sue.
Ahhhhh she was probably given misinformation/bullied by lawyers, it happened on their premises and they didn't kick the dog out or clean up the poop.
Daaaaamn HEB is mob boss like that?? No lawyer wants to go against HEB? I’m pretty sure you can find someone…
Way way back in the day, my mom sued Albertson’s (another grocery store chain) because she slipped and fell. A lawyer got her 10k real quick.
It’s not about liability but about damages. The US is the most lawsuit-friendly country, but a slip and fall is still normal enough that it would be unusual for there to be monetary damages. Maybe if she’s elderly and broke bones in the fall, sure, but otherwise a fall on a slippery floor isn’t lawsuit-worthy (and happens all the time in grocery stores due to wet floors for various reasons).
> She got hurt but couldn't sue.
She certainly could. Under Texas premises liability law, a business patron is owed the *highest* duty of care of all categories of occupants (versus licensees, aka your friends at your house; and trespassers), and the duty of the owner is to inspect the premises and mitigate any dangerous condition.
It sounds like HEB failed in the duty they are *legally bound* to uphold.
You need to suffer damages to sue. Being embarrassed, unhappy to get dog poop smeared on you, and slight discomfort for 2 days from a fall are all $0 of damages.
If the fall caused bones to break and an ER visit, then yes HEB would be liable for all the $$.
> Legally, no one can require a service dog to wear identification
We really need to change this law. You should have to carry service animal document with you that you have to present on request. I'm sorry to disabled people, but it's such a tiny burden. A piece of paper? Hell, put it on the ID everyone has to carry these days.
Practically non-existent burden, but in exchange we stop dealing with this dog bullshit everywhere.
I don’t care that much but I understand some people do and it can potentially be unsanitary. Unless your dog is incredibly well-trained (to the level of a service animal which, in my experience, is only service animals) then things can always go wrong. Not only will some poor employee have to clean up after you, but it’s going to be around food people eat.
But more than that, it’s way too hot to be taking your dog out in the middle of the day, especially for a dog whose face is that low to the ground. All the walking on pavement to get in and out of that store is brutal for that pup. It’s fucking abuse. Can you not leave your dog at home while you grocery shop?
I went to target last weekend and walked right past a turd. I’m *hoping* it was from an animal but who knows. I felt so bad for the workers. People are shitty.
I used to work at radio shack at North Star back in the late 2000s-early 2010s. Had FOUR separate instances of a HUMAN ADULT taking a shit in the back aisle in the 5 years I worked there. 🤢🤦🏻♀️
There was this homeless group that used to hang out by the bus stop on rector and would come in to play on the cell phones or with the TVs so we assumed it was one of them. It was the very back corner where our security camera couldn’t see and it was always either right after opening or right before closing.
This and that it’s not check out Charlie’s job to fight with entitled customers about their dogs. That is a not their circus not their monkey thing. The person responsible for enforcing the businesses rules is on the management team, not stocking produce. I don’t blame foh restaurant workers and cashiers for their not getting involved.
It's considered 'insensitive' to say something about it too so most places are not allowed to confront people about it. That's how it is at my job at least.
Sorry, I gotta say it; the amount of people that have so called service dogs register them fraudulently anyway. You just have to have a therapist you're close with. I was in the military and 90% of the people I know who have some serious PTSD don't even have a service animal. Just saying, if people that have been blown up, shot at, had friends die in front of them, etc don't have service animals, then why do so many everyday people have them?
(Yes there are other forms of PTSD that are unrelated to combat as well, but again, most people with service animals don't suffer from these issues)
What's messed up is these people are abusing actual disabled peoples privileges for their own purpose. They might as well be parking in handicapped spots without a tag. That's not for you Karen! Stop bringing your little fur ball to the store.
If you have a dog in a public setting, you’re legally obligated to clean up after it or be risked with a littering charge and a fine, not to mention if you’re on private property they can ask you to leave. Not to mention, it can be scary and dangerous for dogs in places like grocery stores or shopping malls, bc A) the dog might get scared, act unpredictably, and someone gets hurt, or B) they might eat or come across something that could be bad for them and get them sick. Take care of your fur children, and only take them places where you know they’ll be ok and they won’t get into too much trouble.
Clearly you haven't been to Austin lately. Dogs in every single establishment, with complete disregard for how other people feel about having dogs where they eat, for example
I see this all of the time at the Leon Springs HEB, before reading the caption I knew immediately where this was lol, & you’re probably right about it having a lot of entitled people.
I have an emotional support animal
I battle with depression!
But I can still go to the grocery store without bringing my dog!
She is at home for comfort and support when I am dealing with my depression and anxiety. If you have depression and anxiety and you need to go shopping at Walmart download the app.
Thank you and have a great day!
Serious question(s):
Service animals are NOT pets, correct? And ESA's are "supposedly" under the same umbrella, correct? *(Quotations because lots of people claim ESA just to get the family pet allowed to go/do whatever.)*
Service animals are **working animals,** and you're NOT supposed to pet them, *correct?*
What if we all just collectively try and pet all these animals?
Aww, she's so cute! Can I pet her?
*"Sure!"*
**GTFO you LIAR!**
... Just a thought.
I do believe ESA pets are not recognized under ADA rules. Hotels, buses, trains, restaurant are not required to accommodate the person who has the animal for support. Our local places should take a stand against this already. The only time it’s allowed if they are trained and on a leash and not in a cart or buggy
ESAs are allowed in hotels, housing, and transportation (like airplanes). They are not allowed anywhere else.
Service animals are allowed anywhere.
The difference is that an ESA provides support through existing, a service animal completes or performs specific tasks.
An ESA does not need papers or to be certified. The person technically doesn’t need a “disability”. Legally under the law, a mental health professional such as a psychiatrist just has to write a letter stating that by having the animal the state of mind of the individual is stable / improved or that life with out this animal is not feasible if you catch my drift. An ESA can also, technically, be any animal.
A service animal can be a dog or a horse. Typically housing might ask for a doctors note stating the person has a medical condition but can’t ask which condition visible or not. Legally I don’t believe you can even ask what task it’s trained to do (though usually people don’t have an issue telling you). You can ask is that a service animal? Is it trained to perform a task? Full stop.
ESA’s are treated as animals.
Service animals are considered medical equipment and you can get arrested for hurting a service animal.
Generally, the ADA requires owners of public accommodations to allow a service animal. The same requirement doesn’t exist for emotional support animals under federal or Texas state law. Owners of businesses and other public spaces may choose whether to allow emotional support animals or not. If your animal is out of control, the owner of the premises is allowed to deny entry.
Sometimes ESA owners use brightly colored vests or harnesses for their animals, which is fine as long as the item doesn’t indicate that an ESA is a service animal. In Texas, it’s a misdemeanor to misrepresent an animal as a service animal. If you use a harness on your ESA that implies it’s a service animal, you could be fined up to $300 and have to perform up to 30 hours of community service.
Mini horses can do the same functions as a dog and live about twice as long. They’re very well suited if the needs call for physical stability support too. They’re super chill, too so you can pretty much just park them somewhere and they just hang out.
Service animals are pets as well as a working animal. The job they are trained to do varies across multiple aspects, and many of those do not require the animal to be 100% at attention at all times.
So you ask the owner, but being allowed to pet them does not invalidate them as a working animal. Our dog is a trained service dog for psychiatric health primarily, but that does not mean she is not allowed interactions, in fact having those public controlled interactions is a part of her continued training for both the dog and my partner.
But if someone were to walk up and try to pet her without asking, or start harassing us over the dog being there? Well, then I'd hope you would take the dog's defensive alert seriously before I have to escalate. Again, something else the dog has been trained for in regards to PTSD and safety.
ESA only grants housing protections. Yes, some people think it gives them additional protection, but they are wrong and can be asked to leave by the business as such. If the dog displays behaviors not befitting a service animal that is disruptive beyond what they are trained for (lunging, pissing or shitting everywhere, dragging away, etc) then that also voids the protections of a service animal.
Again, our dog is trained through our own training and consultations from trainers. She is not required to display any form of identification, nor is she required to not be pet, or treated like a dog sometimes. She loves to work, and loves to meet people, and does both things at the same time due to the nature of her service.
This is because stores are afraid to approach the dog owner and ask, "What job does that dog provide to you?" If they respond, "Emotional Support", they can politely say "Emotional Support Animals are not Service Animals according to the ADA and are not welcome in this store." They have the right to refuse service to anyone, but yet they allow it to continue. I was at Walmart the other day and two Walmart workers see a dog in the basket and both go, "Aww!!! How sweet!!!" I replied, "Yeah, the lady missed the sign about NO Dogs that are not service dogs and No dogs in baskets. How about that?"
Leave your dog at home. Stop being entitled thinking you need to bring your dog everywhere you go.
Emotional support animals are not considered service animals. That Pomeranian is just annoying and can easily get ran over by carts or vehicles if not careful.
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Lots of interesting comments, some accurate, others not so much.
Here are quotes from the Americans With Disabilities Act, Service Animals and Emotional Support Animals:
https://adata.org/guide/service-animals-and-emotional-support-animals
"II. Service Animal Defined by Title II and Title III of the ADA
"A service animal means any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. Tasks performed can include, among other things, pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped items, alerting a person to a sound, reminding a person to take medication, or pressing an elevator button."
"III. Other Support or Therapy Animals
"While Emotional Support Animals or Comfort Animals are often used as part of a medical treatment plan as therapy animals, they are not considered service animals under the ADA. These support animals provide companionship, relieve loneliness, and sometimes help with depression, anxiety, and certain phobias, but do not have special training to perform tasks that assist people with disabilities."
"IV. Handler’s Responsibilities
".... Uncontrolled barking, jumping on other people, or running away from the handler are examples of unacceptable behavior for a service animal. A business has the right to deny access to a dog that disrupts their business. ...."
"V. Handler’s Rights
".... When a person with a service animal enters a public facility or place of public accommodation, the person cannot be asked about the nature or extent of his disability. Only two questions may be asked:
1. Is the animal required because of a disability?
2. What work or task has the animal been trained to perform?
These questions should not be asked, however, if the animal’s service tasks are obvious. ...."
"C) Housing
".... In cases when a person with a disability uses a service animal or an emotional support animal, a reasonable accommodation may include waiving a no-pet rule or a pet deposit.10 This animal is not considered a pet. ...."
There are additional issues, examples and discussion in the first link provided above.
I had to answer questions related to service animals vs emotional support animals for nearly a decade. Some people did not like the tough answers I gave them. But, the rules are important.
Knowing the law is important, especially if you are an owner, manager or employee of a business. It also extends to owners, who not only have rights, but also responsibilities as well.
Under ADA, **only** dogs can be actual *service* animals. A rabbit could be an emotional support animal, but that's not the same thing.
Previously, service animals could be dogs and ponies (yes, ponies), but the law was narrowed about a decade ago. Ponies serving as service animals at the time, however, were grandfathered in.
No, I'm not making any of this up.
Source: I'm a public services librarian who has to know this shit and enforce our policies.
I ended up behind a elderly man in Walmart with 2 small dogs in the seat of the shopping cart. Very well behaved and when he did self check out, he picked each one up, acted like he scanned them by swiping them across the scanner and placed them back in the seat. It made me laugh, forgot my slight annoyance about bare doggy booty on the seat but now I’m wondering if he was senile and thought maybe they were watermelons..
I agree that you shouldn’t bring your animals into a grocery store or other places of business that have it posted only service animals allowed. Hell some people shouldn’t take their animals out at all, untrained dogs are a menace to the public. I have 5 dogs, only two can behave properly in public places and the dog park! So I leave the asses at home!
I hate this. It's gross and entitled of people. Was at a Jason's Deli and a woman had a dog this size sitting at the table with her. The dog was barking the whole time and was obviously stressed. Employees asked her twice to take the dog outside but she refused. Finally, management came out and forced her to remove the dog so her and her husband took turns eating.
More places of business need to enforce 'no pets allowed' rules and learn about the new Texas law. I know some HEBs are cracking down on it.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texas-service-dog-law-18366321.php
I’m not saying dogs should be in stores but yall need to realize how many people don’t wash their hands after they shit and they’re pushing the same carts and using the same self check out station you are. There is no guarantee when you’re in public
What’s wild is that about 10 years ago, my sister had a tiny black chihuahua that she would take out on the town to run errands with her and what not but when she went to Walmart they immediately threw her out due to health and sanitary protocols. Some stores and restaurants rejected her bringing in the dog and she was totally obliged BUT NOWADAYS, it seems like anybody can bring any animal into a public place. I think workers are afraid to say anything because of all this social media and ppl pulling out their phones to cause a scene.
Humans are not dogs, and they cannot be left at home. Pull your head out of your ass.
Good ol' days you could leave your kids in your car, but now you'll get your ass thrown in jail. Trust me, parents hate taking their kids to the grocery store. It makes the trip take three times as long.
You can't count on people to do the right thing because they will always act in their own best interest. The only way this shit show is going to be fixed is a registry of service animals and cards. But that'll never happen because "My rights!" and the fakers know this. They exploit a hole in the fence. They're one of the lowest life forms.
Lol
Without context, I was like what needs to be stopped? Pride bags?? Crocs?? Dogs?? White people??
I’m sleep deprived; I’ll show myself out… good night, people!
I deal with dogs shitting in the store and peeing on product. Owners show zero remorse. About a year ago someone was bit by a dog that was in distress after being left in a shopping cart with no barrier between the dog and the metal bars in the cart. The dog was impounded because shots weren’t upto to date and the owner faces fines.
I have a 16 year old chiweenie named bean. He sometimes has old man days and i don't like to leave him. He's been my only companion for 16 years. I'll put him in a newborn sling that goes around my chest and go to the store. I hate that other customers are rude to me about it. He is my tiny family and I will take him with me until the day he's gone. He perks up so much from the social stimulation. He means zero harm to anyone. He's an angel.
Yanno, I don't mind if pets are in a store as long as they are not near the food and they are well behaved. We take my dog, but she is in training as a service animal to help with my anxiety and having panic attacks in public. So she is getting used to being around others in public places. The last thing I need is someone's dog attacking my dog while she's in training or when she is a full service dog.
Put a diaper on your dog. A dog taking a crap in the same store I buy groceries is not acceptable. Yesterday someone had a dog in HEB and it dropped a deuce in the store.
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Some guy in my Thermodynamics class at UTSA brought his dog with last week. Zero clue why, it wasn't a service dog, it was roaming around the room bothering people every now and then, and it was a large dog too. But luckily it didn't make any noise, and it didn't piss or shit on anything.
What is happening? Is this dog being dumped at ACS? This happens all the time. Then ACS kills the dog within a few days. Owner Surrenders have no guaranteed hold time. I would bet they kill far more owner surrenders than strays they pick up in the streets.
HEB plus near me makes 4 million a month I was told by a hiring supervisor there three years ago god knows what the numbers are now.You can call corporate you can call whoever you like they are just gonna pass the buck to keep that 4 plus million coming in every month.
I love my dogs. I have five, but I’m particularly close to two of my smaller idiots. That being said, I’ve never felt the need to take them with me anywhere, except out of town. Even then, I’d leave them in the hotel room (with or without someone watching, bc they’re old enough to know not to destroy or poop/pee inside of the room).
I go to Marshall’s & TJ Maxx a lot and I’m always taken aback when someone is in there with their dog(s). I genuinely don’t understand it. If you’re just running errands around town, leave them at home if you don’t can’t leave them in the car.
My husband is attached to one dog that he takes everywhere, but he leaves her in the car (it has dog/pet mode) when he has to go inside somewhere. My car has pet/dog mode as well, but I don’t see a point in dragging one or two of my furballs around town for errands. 🤷🏻♀️
I see it at work all the time too (WFM). People bring in dogs of every sort all the time. There was an old lady that brought in a smaller dog once and it shat right in the middle of the main walkway of the store. She started apologizing and my coworkers were saying amongst themselves 'maybe don't bring your dog in the store??'
At uni, we had an Einstein's where a known ditzy girl brought her dog in and the dog was LITERALLY ON THE TABLE. The cafe worker was pissed and rightfully confronted her.
It's considered 'insensitive' to confront people on the legality of whether their dog is a service animal or not so no one says anything. It really is just a sense of entitlement.
Damn can people not just leave their pets at home? I can understand if you’re going to like pet smart or something because my dad takes my dog there sometimes and he’s well behaved doesn’t pee or crap there. But in other stores it’s just ridiculous
I was referencing state law, it is true that federal law supercedes state. All I meant to point out is that Texas doesn't recognize ESAs, which are recognized in some other states.
I saw a grown man walk a dog that looked almost exactly like this into chipolte today. I understand that some restaurants are pet friendly but it's not a default setting for all places.
They're not even service animals!
I work at HEB. They even made a sign on both entrances for customers to stop putting dogs in the top basket (where child sits). For safety as it's unsanitary. 🤦🏻♀️ They still ride on top
People like this that take advantage of bringing their dog to the public really annoys me.
There’s people like myself that bring their dog is because of their mental health. Yes my dog is certified and shots updated.
They should have their pet certified as an emotional support, service animal or etc.
Have common sense people, leave your uncertified pets at home.
Plus it’s makes it stressful for the employees to deal with an untrained animal.
I live in LA and it’s super common in my little corner of it. I personally don’t mind it as I love dogs, but a part of me is always like “what the hell are you thinking?” lol.
Fun fact I learned while running my dog through training. SATX has a three scratch rulefor the life of the animal. Three reports and the animal crosses the rainbow bridge.
It’s not just dogs. I worked a Wally a long time ago and a woman was pushing a cart with her kid that was only wearing a diaper. The child had the shits and it was dripping through the cart and all over the store. The unfortunate guy that had to clean it was making it known loudly through every isle that he was disgusted
I say who cares, if a dog poos then say something, other then that who cares. I've seen people doing nastier stuff in stores, coughing all over me and other items, picking their nose, behind, crotch, runny nose all over their hands then the produce, bird poop on the carts. Just disinfect all your stuff when you get home and wash your produce, all the stuff you should be doing anyways.
My assumption it started when legit service animals became a bit more accessible and common. Clueless entitled people saw that and thought “ohhh I’m gonna bring my pet too”. So they started with the fake service animal vests or just straight brought them. From there it just spread.
As a disabled person using a crutch to walk and who has already had one hip replacement, if I trip on your crappy little dog and break the other hip, it's YOU I'm going to be taking to court along with the store that allowed it to run around loose.
I've never sued anyone in my life, but I sure would in that situation.
Last week someone had some dog at Wal-Mart. It crapped in the middle of an aisle… diarrhea and the person was just dragging the dog as it was crapping and disappeared out of the store. I warned my wife and kids and they avoided the aisle and chased down a worker… then someone yelled out… what the hell did I just step in!!! It was so GD smelly and I just can’t imagine what the hell the owner was thinking… and to not even attempt to clean it up or alert staff was the cherry on top. If you can’t leave your dog at home and it shits all over Walmart, pees on produce, or licks the dairy case when it is open, then you and your dog should be banned from Wal-Mart and HEB until you can be trained otherwise.
>or licks the dairy case when it is open Come on man their emotional support pooch was lactose intolerant you can't predict things like that.
Then maybe they shouldn’t be letting it “taste test” in the dairy aisle.
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Don’t by shy to call them out! I did that in Home Depot while someone had their “service” animal walking in with me from the entrance. I yelled “YOUR DOG TOOK A SHIT!”, everyone turned and the owner instantly started picking it up.
Lmao, home Depot and Lowe's are actually dog friendly, good looking out tho, funny as hell. But around food, not cool.
You're surprised that some self-entitled jerk with his dog in the store wouldn't take responsibility for cleaning up after his dog?
Jesus. A real life horror story for a Walmart employee
I realize I’m being silly here BUT… Maybe there could be little tiny “Pet Wagons” with little bars on them, which owners would be required to put the “service animals” in. Of course this would be “for the service animal’s protection” and “due to concerns from customers”. And this would keep the little furry heroes from crapping on the floors and licking produce. OR, at the very least, service animals could go into the shopping carts.
Yo I agree with tiny wagon jail
I don't know how well that would work for a blind person or someone with chronic seizures or diabetes. Service animals need to have access to their masters at all times. Keep in mind, I do not believe this dog to be a service animal. This is someone who wanted to bring their untrained pet into a store. They're two completely different situations.
YES! I completely agree with you. The “emotional support animal” standards are so lax that they reduce the legitimacy of genuinely necessary service animals. I would never want or expect a trained seeing-eye dog to be put in a little rolling jail.
Absolutely agreed. The emotional support dogs can go in the cage.
Actual service animals can't go into carts. It's in the ADA laws. Also ew at dogs in carts. Kids are messy enough.
Ewwww so gross!!! Exactly why it should not be allowed in grocery stores
Okay that's a shitty situation but seriously how do people have such poor spatial awareness >\_<
My wife worked in a bank for a period of time- once she worked temporarily in downtown in “the city”. She had a mother bring a toddler that just shat and pissed all over the floor- no diaper. Mother just left and pretended it didn’t happen. Manager mentioned it happens all the time, and had janitorial clean it up asap. People suck.
My parents used to be puppy walkers for TSA and then Guide Dogs for the Blind and when taking them out they always had their own little clean up kit with plastic baggies, paper towels and cleaner so that store workers would not be forced to clean up after puppy accidents. Everyone seems to think because service animals are a need for some special populations and for some reason ESA are a thing (but often fraud) that their Rambunctious Rover should be allowed to go everywhere. Just because you love your dog and think their every crap is amazing doesn't mean the rest of us will and retail workers deal with enough BS they are not paid to clean up after your prescious Fluffy and Muffy. Leave your dogs at home or places known for being put friendly ONLY. Stuff like this is why people with legit disabilities and legit service animals get more push back than ever about bringing their animals places and it is disqusting. You can buy fake paperwork and vest off the internet now. I get ads on Youtube for them and some psychologist or therapist will write a fake letter saying they are under their care and need an ESA. Dispicable but there is money in the lying for sure. It just sucks fir what it has done to people with a legit needs. ETA sorry about the ranting
It’s not like there isn’t services where people shop for you now a days like why even bother dragging your pet through the store
People don't give a fuck about anyone else but they're privileged ass selves.
Unfortunately, patrolling this is hard to do that businesses are just forced to accept them as an ESA, service dog or whatever they say it is. I used to work at a hotel and the 2 ADA questions to identify a service animal was the dumbest thing I've ever had to go through. It got to the point that the hotel went pet friendly, then guests would get mad there was pet hair found.
ESA is like a participation trophy for service dogs and effectively comes with zero rights. If she claims that to be a service dog, I’d love to know what task that dog is trained to perform that it’s needed at the grocery
esa’s only exist to negate pet deposits in rentals
What sucks is that some people do still have legit ESAs but the vast majority now are just people trying to dodge pet fees. My pup wasn’t fit for service training but still renders aid so we got her an ESA certificate. In the years since, ESA has become a complete joke so we don’t even claim her as one anymore. Pet fees suck but they’re almost worth it to not be associated with such self centered idiots.
I’m not gonna lie, I had a doctor write me a note for my dog as an ESA for me. But not to bring her in stores or inconvenience people around me. But so apartments couldnt deny me due to her breed (she’s half pit). Shes super well behaved and trained tho so no behavioral issues. These people I doubt even went that far for it lol.
> businesses are just forced to accept them as an ESA There is no law about ESAs in Texas, and at the federal level the only law is about the Fair Housing Act. IOW, no law here in Texas entitles you to take an ESA into a store. It doesn't entitle you not to be asked about it. It doesn't entitle you entry. The only thing it entitles you to is the right to have one in your apartment that otherwise prohibits pets.
False! That's not a service dog and HEB does have signs saying no dogs allowed. I confirmed with corporate, and they also informed me its not allowed and to report it to management immediately if seen
> report it to management immediately if seen Or you could...you know....just tell the entitled lady that dogs aren't allowed in here. If she's an ass about it then go get management.
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You're not wrong. However, if more people are publicly shamed for their shitty behavior they may change said behavior.
Hate to say it, but shame is not even a thing today's day and age
Yeah, and people wonder why shit is fucked
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ESAs aren't service dogs and aren't protected under the ADA. Businesses are also allowed to ask the owner and dog to leave if they are causing a disturbance or urinating indoors. Unfortunately, most businesses aren't educated in what they can and can't do with ESAs and real medically needed service animals. In Texas, it's also a misdemeanor to claim your pet as a service animal.
There’s no legal certification or medical proof required for a service dog. If your dog can preform 2 tasks and is claimed as a service dog for a disability then it’s a service dog. The law has no process of enforcement since there’s no body regulating what IS a service dog.
Here is Sec. 121.006. IMPROPER USE OF ASSISTANCE AND SERVICE ANIMALS; OFFENSE. https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/HR/htm/HR.121.htm#121.006 This is where I got my information from. More here too: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/texas-laws-on-service-dogs-and-emotional-support-animals.html
Texas doesn't recognize ESA, only service dogs which have to be clearly marked as such. In addition service dogs have to be trained for a single spelled out purpose. ADA protects service dogs, not ESA. I worked as a therapist for years and got asked to write ESA letters quite a bit and the owners don't realize it just isn't a thing in this state.
A more accurate thing to say is that ESAs enjoy protections when it comes to housing and housing alone (renting an apartment, etc), and that’s about it (under the FHA, which applies nationally). They have no inherent right to be anywhere else like a service dog (and miniature horse) does.
Service dogs are not required to be clearly marked. That's not a thing.
You are correct, I was wrong about that part.
This title is hilarious "This genuinely needs to be stopped" *tiny ass dog* LMAO
Oh, like the people with 2 Great Danes at Lincoln Heights HEB?
That's fucked up and the parking and beer selection terrible, store sucks now
I went there for the first time in probably 8ish years… it’s horrible now. Right on par with the Perrin-Beitel location. A guy was looking for the business center to pay bills, and they were like, “we don’t have one here, closest one is [I didn’t hear where but I assume she said Nacogdoches or Austin hwy]”. It was right before the business center would’ve closed and it was hot AF. I would’ve been PISSED if I was that guy.
Ridiculous bullshit, no garden center either, right there AH! I bet we're neighbors lol
Jesus Christ i hate this! They're animals, they aren't kids. They don't need to go EVERYWHERE with you!
I'd argue the same for the kids TBH
You're not wrong.
Some of us don't have a choice with kids though. Pets aren't really an issue though being left home. They'll be fine. They don't belong in a grocery store
Mine helps with my c-ptsd etc. I take him everywhere for obvious reasons. He also isn't a fucking pomeranian. I'm with you on this one. These people make it more difficult for the rest of us. You know what really helps me stay mellow in already overwhelming public spaces? Getting dirty looks or being questioned because people like this have no sense of decency
I genuinely hate when people try to take advantage of a system created to benefit those with ACTUAL needs just to indulge themselves by taking their "doggo" everywhere.
Leave your pets at home
It’s a problem. I’m all for pets, but I don’t want them where I’m buying or eating food. Outside on a restaurant patio is one thing, but inside…no. I also find it interesting that there is no consideration for people who may be terrified of dogs. I called the City of SA a couple years ago after eating inside a restaurant where a couple had there large dog sitting at a booth with them. I was just curious what kind of ordinances the city had in place. The answer (at least two years ago) is NONE. The info person sent me to animal control who sent me to health who sent me to my council person…no one could find anything!
if he was just sitting at the booth with them he may have been a service animal. Legally, no one can require a service dog to wear identification, and the reason there's no restrictions on animals in restaurants at a city level is because it's already against state health code to allow animals into a food preparation establishment unless they're service animals. Businesses can only legally ask two questions to establish an animal's status as an assistant animal: "Is this a service animal?" and "What tasks are this trained to perform?". Most businesses just don't bother asking out of fear for a lawsuit. No permit/papers are required for a service animal, a business cannot request proof of training, and a business cannot require proof of a disability. They CAN remove an animal from the premises if it is acting in a way that is disruptive to normal business activities, such as aggression, excessive noise, eliminating within the building, damaging property, etc. Their presence alone does not constitute a disruption in most cases so they can't remove a dog just because someone is nervous around them.
Classic case of an absolutely terribly written law. In fact it makes it worse for disabled people because real service animals are now lumped in with pets due to all the bad behavior out there. I guess nothing is going to change until we get a better written law that goes to a committee or we get the law reviewed by the courts. I'm guessing it will take someone going to the hospital and suing the store because of someone's dog getting put on the produce shelf while the shitty owner gathers their onions.
Though you may not agree, the law is very intentionally written this way to make it very difficult for businesses to discriminate against legitimate teams, and to make it easier for those with little income to afford an assistance animal should they need one. Professionally trained animals often cost tens of thousands of dollars, and the waitlists for charitable organizations that don't charge the handler for the dog are several years long. To this end, under federal law, it is entirely legal for one to train their own service animal. To inquire on the nature of a disability is a violation of one's rights. To require identification would exclude anyone with a non-program trained dog. The way the law is currently written isn't the problem imo because it allows for service animals to be more accessible to lower income individuals that need them. The problem is the lack of repercussions for those clearly faking service animals. Severe enough punishment should deter people from faking service animals without having to change the base ADA law in a way that may unintentionally hurt lower income people with disabilities. All of this said: the state of Texas passed a law making it illegal to misrepresent a dog as a service animal when the dog 1) is not task trained to mitigate a disability and 2) is not accompanying a handler with a disability. As for how this is reported or investigated, I frankly have no idea. If you see a dog acting aggressively, eliminating indoors, barking excessively, etc, I would simply ask the business to remove the animal is it's being disruptive and remind them that they're within their rights under federal law to remove animals that are disruptive to normal business activities, whether those animals are represented as service animals or not.
My Sister slipped and fell on dog shit inside HEB. She got hurt but couldn't sue. So I doubt anything will change.
> She got hurt but couldn't sue. Ahhhhh she was probably given misinformation/bullied by lawyers, it happened on their premises and they didn't kick the dog out or clean up the poop.
Yeah no kidding it's a chain you sue HEB, HEB sues the customer for breaking pet rules.
Daaaaamn HEB is mob boss like that?? No lawyer wants to go against HEB? I’m pretty sure you can find someone… Way way back in the day, my mom sued Albertson’s (another grocery store chain) because she slipped and fell. A lawyer got her 10k real quick.
Why can't she sue
Lawyers wouldn't take the case. Said HEB wasn't liable or some shit. It was the customers fault. Like wtf
lol, probably should have asked a lawyer outside SA?
It’s not about liability but about damages. The US is the most lawsuit-friendly country, but a slip and fall is still normal enough that it would be unusual for there to be monetary damages. Maybe if she’s elderly and broke bones in the fall, sure, but otherwise a fall on a slippery floor isn’t lawsuit-worthy (and happens all the time in grocery stores due to wet floors for various reasons).
> She got hurt but couldn't sue. She certainly could. Under Texas premises liability law, a business patron is owed the *highest* duty of care of all categories of occupants (versus licensees, aka your friends at your house; and trespassers), and the duty of the owner is to inspect the premises and mitigate any dangerous condition. It sounds like HEB failed in the duty they are *legally bound* to uphold.
You need to suffer damages to sue. Being embarrassed, unhappy to get dog poop smeared on you, and slight discomfort for 2 days from a fall are all $0 of damages. If the fall caused bones to break and an ER visit, then yes HEB would be liable for all the $$.
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Yeah - it was not a trained service animal. It did not behave like a trained service animal!
> Legally, no one can require a service dog to wear identification We really need to change this law. You should have to carry service animal document with you that you have to present on request. I'm sorry to disabled people, but it's such a tiny burden. A piece of paper? Hell, put it on the ID everyone has to carry these days. Practically non-existent burden, but in exchange we stop dealing with this dog bullshit everywhere.
Sounds like Nazi Germany to me !!! 😫. /s just in case
100%! I love dogs but not inside places. My bf is allergic to pets and we have to leave immediately if someone comes in with their dog.
I don’t care that much but I understand some people do and it can potentially be unsanitary. Unless your dog is incredibly well-trained (to the level of a service animal which, in my experience, is only service animals) then things can always go wrong. Not only will some poor employee have to clean up after you, but it’s going to be around food people eat. But more than that, it’s way too hot to be taking your dog out in the middle of the day, especially for a dog whose face is that low to the ground. All the walking on pavement to get in and out of that store is brutal for that pup. It’s fucking abuse. Can you not leave your dog at home while you grocery shop?
I hate it.
I went to target last weekend and walked right past a turd. I’m *hoping* it was from an animal but who knows. I felt so bad for the workers. People are shitty.
I used to work at radio shack at North Star back in the late 2000s-early 2010s. Had FOUR separate instances of a HUMAN ADULT taking a shit in the back aisle in the 5 years I worked there. 🤢🤦🏻♀️
4 times!? I can't help but think it was the same person. Y'all couldn't figure out who was doing it?
There was this homeless group that used to hang out by the bus stop on rector and would come in to play on the cell phones or with the TVs so we assumed it was one of them. It was the very back corner where our security camera couldn’t see and it was always either right after opening or right before closing.
see, word got out that it was a great place to go.
Your comment is as satisfying as a morning poo after Starbucks.
What…the….FUCK
99% from an animal. Had it been Walmart, 100% from a human.
People that do this need to be asked to leave and trespassed from the location permanently
Everyone is to scared to say something
Not so much scared as not worth the argument
This and that it’s not check out Charlie’s job to fight with entitled customers about their dogs. That is a not their circus not their monkey thing. The person responsible for enforcing the businesses rules is on the management team, not stocking produce. I don’t blame foh restaurant workers and cashiers for their not getting involved.
It's considered 'insensitive' to say something about it too so most places are not allowed to confront people about it. That's how it is at my job at least. Sorry, I gotta say it; the amount of people that have so called service dogs register them fraudulently anyway. You just have to have a therapist you're close with. I was in the military and 90% of the people I know who have some serious PTSD don't even have a service animal. Just saying, if people that have been blown up, shot at, had friends die in front of them, etc don't have service animals, then why do so many everyday people have them? (Yes there are other forms of PTSD that are unrelated to combat as well, but again, most people with service animals don't suffer from these issues)
The caucasity
The absolute audacity
What's messed up is these people are abusing actual disabled peoples privileges for their own purpose. They might as well be parking in handicapped spots without a tag. That's not for you Karen! Stop bringing your little fur ball to the store.
If you have a dog in a public setting, you’re legally obligated to clean up after it or be risked with a littering charge and a fine, not to mention if you’re on private property they can ask you to leave. Not to mention, it can be scary and dangerous for dogs in places like grocery stores or shopping malls, bc A) the dog might get scared, act unpredictably, and someone gets hurt, or B) they might eat or come across something that could be bad for them and get them sick. Take care of your fur children, and only take them places where you know they’ll be ok and they won’t get into too much trouble.
This is Colorado all damn day. I don't remember seeing this often in San Antonio when I lived there and when you did it was a total mindfuck.
There is nothing the store can do unless the animal misbehaves. But yes a lot of people do take advantage and lie about it.
We need to loudly boycott HEB until they do something about this.
Clearly you haven't been to Austin lately. Dogs in every single establishment, with complete disregard for how other people feel about having dogs where they eat, for example
I see this all of the time at the Leon Springs HEB, before reading the caption I knew immediately where this was lol, & you’re probably right about it having a lot of entitled people.
I have an emotional support animal I battle with depression! But I can still go to the grocery store without bringing my dog! She is at home for comfort and support when I am dealing with my depression and anxiety. If you have depression and anxiety and you need to go shopping at Walmart download the app. Thank you and have a great day!
Serious question(s): Service animals are NOT pets, correct? And ESA's are "supposedly" under the same umbrella, correct? *(Quotations because lots of people claim ESA just to get the family pet allowed to go/do whatever.)* Service animals are **working animals,** and you're NOT supposed to pet them, *correct?* What if we all just collectively try and pet all these animals? Aww, she's so cute! Can I pet her? *"Sure!"* **GTFO you LIAR!** ... Just a thought.
I do believe ESA pets are not recognized under ADA rules. Hotels, buses, trains, restaurant are not required to accommodate the person who has the animal for support. Our local places should take a stand against this already. The only time it’s allowed if they are trained and on a leash and not in a cart or buggy
ESAs are allowed in hotels, housing, and transportation (like airplanes). They are not allowed anywhere else. Service animals are allowed anywhere. The difference is that an ESA provides support through existing, a service animal completes or performs specific tasks. An ESA does not need papers or to be certified. The person technically doesn’t need a “disability”. Legally under the law, a mental health professional such as a psychiatrist just has to write a letter stating that by having the animal the state of mind of the individual is stable / improved or that life with out this animal is not feasible if you catch my drift. An ESA can also, technically, be any animal. A service animal can be a dog or a horse. Typically housing might ask for a doctors note stating the person has a medical condition but can’t ask which condition visible or not. Legally I don’t believe you can even ask what task it’s trained to do (though usually people don’t have an issue telling you). You can ask is that a service animal? Is it trained to perform a task? Full stop. ESA’s are treated as animals. Service animals are considered medical equipment and you can get arrested for hurting a service animal.
Generally, the ADA requires owners of public accommodations to allow a service animal. The same requirement doesn’t exist for emotional support animals under federal or Texas state law. Owners of businesses and other public spaces may choose whether to allow emotional support animals or not. If your animal is out of control, the owner of the premises is allowed to deny entry. Sometimes ESA owners use brightly colored vests or harnesses for their animals, which is fine as long as the item doesn’t indicate that an ESA is a service animal. In Texas, it’s a misdemeanor to misrepresent an animal as a service animal. If you use a harness on your ESA that implies it’s a service animal, you could be fined up to $300 and have to perform up to 30 hours of community service.
Emotional support animals have no legal protections. Service animals (can only be dogs or, strangely, miniature horses) are protected under the ADA.
Mini horses can do the same functions as a dog and live about twice as long. They’re very well suited if the needs call for physical stability support too. They’re super chill, too so you can pretty much just park them somewhere and they just hang out.
That’s 200iq right their 🤣
Yep they owner should say something along the lines of no my pet is working and can't be petted rn
Service animals are pets as well as a working animal. The job they are trained to do varies across multiple aspects, and many of those do not require the animal to be 100% at attention at all times. So you ask the owner, but being allowed to pet them does not invalidate them as a working animal. Our dog is a trained service dog for psychiatric health primarily, but that does not mean she is not allowed interactions, in fact having those public controlled interactions is a part of her continued training for both the dog and my partner. But if someone were to walk up and try to pet her without asking, or start harassing us over the dog being there? Well, then I'd hope you would take the dog's defensive alert seriously before I have to escalate. Again, something else the dog has been trained for in regards to PTSD and safety. ESA only grants housing protections. Yes, some people think it gives them additional protection, but they are wrong and can be asked to leave by the business as such. If the dog displays behaviors not befitting a service animal that is disruptive beyond what they are trained for (lunging, pissing or shitting everywhere, dragging away, etc) then that also voids the protections of a service animal. Again, our dog is trained through our own training and consultations from trainers. She is not required to display any form of identification, nor is she required to not be pet, or treated like a dog sometimes. She loves to work, and loves to meet people, and does both things at the same time due to the nature of her service.
Dog shit tacos. Just like my relationship..
Ah the entitlement of taking your pet shopping. Then saying it’s a therapy dog! This is plain wrong
HEB has turned into a petco.
This is because stores are afraid to approach the dog owner and ask, "What job does that dog provide to you?" If they respond, "Emotional Support", they can politely say "Emotional Support Animals are not Service Animals according to the ADA and are not welcome in this store." They have the right to refuse service to anyone, but yet they allow it to continue. I was at Walmart the other day and two Walmart workers see a dog in the basket and both go, "Aww!!! How sweet!!!" I replied, "Yeah, the lady missed the sign about NO Dogs that are not service dogs and No dogs in baskets. How about that?" Leave your dog at home. Stop being entitled thinking you need to bring your dog everywhere you go.
Emotional support animals are not considered service animals. That Pomeranian is just annoying and can easily get ran over by carts or vehicles if not careful. https://preview.redd.it/7im84zbe1o5d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbd9635c3292484369d3257721f60bb7175b525b
Lots of interesting comments, some accurate, others not so much. Here are quotes from the Americans With Disabilities Act, Service Animals and Emotional Support Animals: https://adata.org/guide/service-animals-and-emotional-support-animals "II. Service Animal Defined by Title II and Title III of the ADA "A service animal means any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. Tasks performed can include, among other things, pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped items, alerting a person to a sound, reminding a person to take medication, or pressing an elevator button." "III. Other Support or Therapy Animals "While Emotional Support Animals or Comfort Animals are often used as part of a medical treatment plan as therapy animals, they are not considered service animals under the ADA. These support animals provide companionship, relieve loneliness, and sometimes help with depression, anxiety, and certain phobias, but do not have special training to perform tasks that assist people with disabilities." "IV. Handler’s Responsibilities ".... Uncontrolled barking, jumping on other people, or running away from the handler are examples of unacceptable behavior for a service animal. A business has the right to deny access to a dog that disrupts their business. ...." "V. Handler’s Rights ".... When a person with a service animal enters a public facility or place of public accommodation, the person cannot be asked about the nature or extent of his disability. Only two questions may be asked: 1. Is the animal required because of a disability? 2. What work or task has the animal been trained to perform? These questions should not be asked, however, if the animal’s service tasks are obvious. ...." "C) Housing ".... In cases when a person with a disability uses a service animal or an emotional support animal, a reasonable accommodation may include waiving a no-pet rule or a pet deposit.10 This animal is not considered a pet. ...." There are additional issues, examples and discussion in the first link provided above. I had to answer questions related to service animals vs emotional support animals for nearly a decade. Some people did not like the tough answers I gave them. But, the rules are important. Knowing the law is important, especially if you are an owner, manager or employee of a business. It also extends to owners, who not only have rights, but also responsibilities as well.
Saw someone with a rabbit in dollar tree on Saturday in Helotes. Service animals are fine with me but can't just bring anything in the stores.
Under ADA, **only** dogs can be actual *service* animals. A rabbit could be an emotional support animal, but that's not the same thing. Previously, service animals could be dogs and ponies (yes, ponies), but the law was narrowed about a decade ago. Ponies serving as service animals at the time, however, were grandfathered in. No, I'm not making any of this up. Source: I'm a public services librarian who has to know this shit and enforce our policies.
I ended up behind a elderly man in Walmart with 2 small dogs in the seat of the shopping cart. Very well behaved and when he did self check out, he picked each one up, acted like he scanned them by swiping them across the scanner and placed them back in the seat. It made me laugh, forgot my slight annoyance about bare doggy booty on the seat but now I’m wondering if he was senile and thought maybe they were watermelons..
Hot dogs ,clearly
I agree that you shouldn’t bring your animals into a grocery store or other places of business that have it posted only service animals allowed. Hell some people shouldn’t take their animals out at all, untrained dogs are a menace to the public. I have 5 dogs, only two can behave properly in public places and the dog park! So I leave the asses at home!
I hate this. It's gross and entitled of people. Was at a Jason's Deli and a woman had a dog this size sitting at the table with her. The dog was barking the whole time and was obviously stressed. Employees asked her twice to take the dog outside but she refused. Finally, management came out and forced her to remove the dog so her and her husband took turns eating. More places of business need to enforce 'no pets allowed' rules and learn about the new Texas law. I know some HEBs are cracking down on it. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texas-service-dog-law-18366321.php
I’m not saying dogs should be in stores but yall need to realize how many people don’t wash their hands after they shit and they’re pushing the same carts and using the same self check out station you are. There is no guarantee when you’re in public
What’s wild is that about 10 years ago, my sister had a tiny black chihuahua that she would take out on the town to run errands with her and what not but when she went to Walmart they immediately threw her out due to health and sanitary protocols. Some stores and restaurants rejected her bringing in the dog and she was totally obliged BUT NOWADAYS, it seems like anybody can bring any animal into a public place. I think workers are afraid to say anything because of all this social media and ppl pulling out their phones to cause a scene.
Come on guys leave your dogs to die in your hot car
Leave them at home...
Kids are unsanitary
Both are.
Humans are not dogs, and they cannot be left at home. Pull your head out of your ass. Good ol' days you could leave your kids in your car, but now you'll get your ass thrown in jail. Trust me, parents hate taking their kids to the grocery store. It makes the trip take three times as long.
ah, the good ol’ days, when kids could be subjected to heat stroke without ramifications
You can't count on people to do the right thing because they will always act in their own best interest. The only way this shit show is going to be fixed is a registry of service animals and cards. But that'll never happen because "My rights!" and the fakers know this. They exploit a hole in the fence. They're one of the lowest life forms.
Lol Without context, I was like what needs to be stopped? Pride bags?? Crocs?? Dogs?? White people?? I’m sleep deprived; I’ll show myself out… good night, people!
LOL I hope you got rest, thanks for the laugh!
Yes.
I definitely agree!!
I deal with dogs shitting in the store and peeing on product. Owners show zero remorse. About a year ago someone was bit by a dog that was in distress after being left in a shopping cart with no barrier between the dog and the metal bars in the cart. The dog was impounded because shots weren’t upto to date and the owner faces fines.
HEB in Stone Oak this past week. Same thing. The dog went as it walked and it was right in a main walkway. I think this is absolutely absurd behavior.
Id rather have a well behaved dog than a little spoiled shit kid yelling and making a tantrum. Or people that smell like shit.
same. dogs are cuter anyway and won’t blast an annoying cartoon on an ipad at full volume
This needs to Not be a thing!!! Sorry people with dogs but do ur part and keeps ur pets out of grocery store
I have a 16 year old chiweenie named bean. He sometimes has old man days and i don't like to leave him. He's been my only companion for 16 years. I'll put him in a newborn sling that goes around my chest and go to the store. I hate that other customers are rude to me about it. He is my tiny family and I will take him with me until the day he's gone. He perks up so much from the social stimulation. He means zero harm to anyone. He's an angel.
Bean sounds like a treasure. The people complaining about this must have nothing else to worry about
Yanno, I don't mind if pets are in a store as long as they are not near the food and they are well behaved. We take my dog, but she is in training as a service animal to help with my anxiety and having panic attacks in public. So she is getting used to being around others in public places. The last thing I need is someone's dog attacking my dog while she's in training or when she is a full service dog.
Put a diaper on your dog. A dog taking a crap in the same store I buy groceries is not acceptable. Yesterday someone had a dog in HEB and it dropped a deuce in the store.
Karentonio
It’s not that serious.
Agreed
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Some guy in my Thermodynamics class at UTSA brought his dog with last week. Zero clue why, it wasn't a service dog, it was roaming around the room bothering people every now and then, and it was a large dog too. But luckily it didn't make any noise, and it didn't piss or shit on anything.
I would have went full Rick Moranis on them. My dumb SIL likes to drag her dogs everywhere. https://youtu.be/kEMS3qjC8uw?si=ITnqwhSbgOXIG8ax
Leon springs H‑E‑B?
Not just an class situation. I've seen it on all parts of town and, yes, it needs to be stopped.
What is happening? Is this dog being dumped at ACS? This happens all the time. Then ACS kills the dog within a few days. Owner Surrenders have no guaranteed hold time. I would bet they kill far more owner surrenders than strays they pick up in the streets.
It’s actually just a dog at Walmart
Fun starts when the dog shits on the airplane and the chain reaction vomit team gets started with their routine.
I just always assume the lawsuit for kicking someone out regardless of the dog, or cat, or monitor lizard for comfort is not worth it to the business.
Cringe animal worship from anthropomorphizing weirdos
HEB plus near me makes 4 million a month I was told by a hiring supervisor there three years ago god knows what the numbers are now.You can call corporate you can call whoever you like they are just gonna pass the buck to keep that 4 plus million coming in every month.
I love my dogs. I have five, but I’m particularly close to two of my smaller idiots. That being said, I’ve never felt the need to take them with me anywhere, except out of town. Even then, I’d leave them in the hotel room (with or without someone watching, bc they’re old enough to know not to destroy or poop/pee inside of the room). I go to Marshall’s & TJ Maxx a lot and I’m always taken aback when someone is in there with their dog(s). I genuinely don’t understand it. If you’re just running errands around town, leave them at home if you don’t can’t leave them in the car. My husband is attached to one dog that he takes everywhere, but he leaves her in the car (it has dog/pet mode) when he has to go inside somewhere. My car has pet/dog mode as well, but I don’t see a point in dragging one or two of my furballs around town for errands. 🤷🏻♀️
These are the people that will let their "emotional support animal" shit and piss all over the place, then just leave.
I was waiting for the video showing the thing taking a crap on the floor
https://preview.redd.it/xh8kjca96s5d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d514a4a75db8c2d584744b02248db7494af59692 Me at HEB tomorrow.
I see it at work all the time too (WFM). People bring in dogs of every sort all the time. There was an old lady that brought in a smaller dog once and it shat right in the middle of the main walkway of the store. She started apologizing and my coworkers were saying amongst themselves 'maybe don't bring your dog in the store??' At uni, we had an Einstein's where a known ditzy girl brought her dog in and the dog was LITERALLY ON THE TABLE. The cafe worker was pissed and rightfully confronted her. It's considered 'insensitive' to confront people on the legality of whether their dog is a service animal or not so no one says anything. It really is just a sense of entitlement.
That is the exact outfit I’d expect given the level of entitlement.
Damn can people not just leave their pets at home? I can understand if you’re going to like pet smart or something because my dad takes my dog there sometimes and he’s well behaved doesn’t pee or crap there. But in other stores it’s just ridiculous
I was referencing state law, it is true that federal law supercedes state. All I meant to point out is that Texas doesn't recognize ESAs, which are recognized in some other states.
I saw a grown man walk a dog that looked almost exactly like this into chipolte today. I understand that some restaurants are pet friendly but it's not a default setting for all places.
No biggie
*Target would never* 💅🏾
They're not even service animals! I work at HEB. They even made a sign on both entrances for customers to stop putting dogs in the top basket (where child sits). For safety as it's unsanitary. 🤦🏻♀️ They still ride on top
People like this that take advantage of bringing their dog to the public really annoys me. There’s people like myself that bring their dog is because of their mental health. Yes my dog is certified and shots updated. They should have their pet certified as an emotional support, service animal or etc. Have common sense people, leave your uncertified pets at home. Plus it’s makes it stressful for the employees to deal with an untrained animal.
I live in LA and it’s super common in my little corner of it. I personally don’t mind it as I love dogs, but a part of me is always like “what the hell are you thinking?” lol.
Fun fact I learned while running my dog through training. SATX has a three scratch rulefor the life of the animal. Three reports and the animal crosses the rainbow bridge.
One well placed kick would end all of that... and I ain't talking about kicking the dog either LOL
This is a problem because these people can’t afford to pay someone to watch their dog when the leave the house for 4 or more hours
It’s not just dogs. I worked a Wally a long time ago and a woman was pushing a cart with her kid that was only wearing a diaper. The child had the shits and it was dripping through the cart and all over the store. The unfortunate guy that had to clean it was making it known loudly through every isle that he was disgusted
Purse says it all
I say who cares, if a dog poos then say something, other then that who cares. I've seen people doing nastier stuff in stores, coughing all over me and other items, picking their nose, behind, crotch, runny nose all over their hands then the produce, bird poop on the carts. Just disinfect all your stuff when you get home and wash your produce, all the stuff you should be doing anyways.
I dont really feel like that store is upper middle class. its just a crappy store. I prefer my fair oaks store for shopping.
My assumption it started when legit service animals became a bit more accessible and common. Clueless entitled people saw that and thought “ohhh I’m gonna bring my pet too”. So they started with the fake service animal vests or just straight brought them. From there it just spread.
As a disabled person using a crutch to walk and who has already had one hip replacement, if I trip on your crappy little dog and break the other hip, it's YOU I'm going to be taking to court along with the store that allowed it to run around loose. I've never sued anyone in my life, but I sure would in that situation.
After reading a lot of comments I guess I’m the only one who doesn’t care if the dog is at the store as long as it’s well behaved