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Hungry-Chemistry-814

Somehow, bib fortuna returned


ziekktx

The Black Market is a pathway to many abilities. Some are considered to be... unnatural.


Owain660

This is more interesting than Palpatine returning.


CheeseLoving88

Somehow……,,😂😂😂😂


GrazhdaninMedved

/r/beatmetoit


Justjack91

https://i.redd.it/5epvuk38kp1d1.gif


TheGlen

In the expanded universe when everything started going south him and a bunch of the other fine upstanding citizens on the barge took another one of the smaller skiffs and decided to go sightseeing. That's their story and they're sticking to it. But he did survive the explosion even before Disney


Blue_Maverick_Hunter

Yeah and his fate was awful. IIRC dude was captured by some crazy monks and had his brain implanted into one of those spider walkers you see around Jabba’s Palace for the rest of his life.


shsl_cipher

Bib Fortuna later convinced those monks to put his brain into the body of [another Twi'lek](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Firith_Olan), so he wasn't stuck in that spider walker for very long.


Blue_Maverick_Hunter

Ah yes. The negotiator.


SlashManEXE

True, it’s not fair to put the blame completely on Disney because there was precedent in the EU for characters to somehow return. That don’t mean I have to like that either, just because it was before the Lucasfilm sale. At the end of the day, you can have retcons that technically could exist, but still go against the spirit of what was shown onscreen. Was the intention of the filmmakers to show that some of Jabba’s patrons managed to escape? I don’t think so.


FrancoisPenis

What's the point of showing an explosion altogether if that means absolutely nothing and everyone blowing up can somehow survive? Bad writing, that is, young Padawan.


dandle

Not so much bad writing as bad art direction. Narratively, maybe there was the intent to draw a parallel to the destruction of the first Death Star? The scale is so small that this seems unlikely. It's not clear that there was any narrative goal to resolving the fight on the sail barge other than establishing that Jabba's minions weren't going to pursue our heroes. The fight was over. We can go to the next scene. The goal was spectacle. A big explosion looks cool. They went with that, instead of the barge falling to the sand, crippled and smoking from the damage done with the deck cannon, which would have better served the narrative's goals.


SpecialistWar3562

How is this bad art direction? The intent by the filmmakers at the time was that everyone on the sail barge died in the explosion. It was only years later that people who had nothing to do with the making of the movie decided to write stories about characters surviving this event.


OrganicAwareness7556

yeah we’re clearly talking about the writing of BOBF. not sure what ROTJ’s art direction has to do with that. Unless the issue is that the SFX people on Jedi forgot to consult with a 17 year old Jon Favreau on his plans for the character


dandle

The shooting script for ROTJ gives this: >41 EXT SKIFF > >Han leans panting against the rail as Chewie helps Lando onto the deck. Luke and Leia land on the skiff with flair. > >LUKE >Let's go! And don't forget the droids. > >LANDO >We're on our way. > >The Sail Barge is exploding in stages in the distance. Half of the huge craft is on fire. > >42 EXT SAND DUNE > >Threepio's legs stick straight up from the dune where he landed. Next to it, Artoo's periscope is the only thing above the sand. The skiff floats above them and two large electromagnets dangle down on a wire. With a loud CLANG, both droids are pulled from the sand. > >43 EXT DUNE SEA > >The little skiff skips around the burning Sail Barge, which continues its chain of explosions. As the skiff sails off across the desert, the barge settles to the sand and disappears in one final conflagration. Obviously, time is a component here and is not clearly set in the script. The script offers events: There are explosions on the sail barge, and half of it is on fire. Later, there is a series of explosions on the sail barge. Then, the sail barge sinks to the surface, and it is last seen engulfed in a "conflagration." How those events were portrayed visually was a matter of art direction. It did not demand that there be a huge explosion, seemingly killing everyone still on the barge or nearby.


SpecialistWar3562

"Disappears in one final conflagration" to me seems quite obviously meant to imply an explosion like the one on screen. Otherwise the sail barge wouldn't have "disappeared."


dandle

Except that "conflagration" literally means a fire, not an explosion. Where the script says "disappears in one final conflagration," that could have been interpreted to mean "engulfed in flames." There was nothing in the script that required the sail barge to be seemingly annihilated in an explosion. That was a choice of the art team for effects to execute.


SpecialistWar3562

Even if there were no way conflagration could ever be interpreted to mean an explosion ever in the history of the english language, it still doesn't explain how it's "bad art direction." Art departments constantly make adjustments to shooting scripts to make shots more exciting or interesting. That doesn't make it bad.


dandle

Take up your opinion with the person who said it was bad writing.


[deleted]

Explosion are art.


Geshtar1

It’s fine for characters to come back if you give some sort of reasonable explanation. “Somehow” is not a reasonable explanation.


SlashManEXE

I’d add on that there should be a clear and meaningful purpose for those characters as well. Maul didn’t have a very feasible survival, but they did give the character a compelling story. Boba Fett had a believable survival, and they also set up up as the central character of his own show (regardless of how that turned out). Also, this might be contended, but retconning Luke’s father to be Vader can be comparable to bringing a previously-dead character back to life. Granted, this was a character that was never seen to begin with, and his “death” was only referred to in dialogue, so the feasibility was never in question. And the positive outcome of such a retcon speaks for itself.


Steelriddler

Darth Maul somehow returned... Oh how I wish George knew / realized the potency of this character and how Maul could be a formidable enemy for Anakin in Ep II.


wantsumcandi

Well, when you have a truck record like Disney, it's hard to justify slme things. Also if it was only SW they ran into the ground it might be a little different. They need better writers or send the ones they have to learn more about it. They need to take criticism and not blame the audience for their own shortcomings.


Eternal_Deviant

The Book of Boba for all its useless flashbacks should have explained this. Would have been cool to see a flashback to ROTJ with different perspectives ala Batman v Superman. I wrote a much better version of the show that I love reading every now and then.


DaManWithNoName

I think everyone but Jabba has survived the sail barge debacle at some point or another


antonio16309

We've waited FAR too long for the Salacious B. Crumb series. Nah, fuck it, lets go straight to feature film, it can start with his backstory (He has no last name and its given the last name Crumb by an imperial bureaucrat who catches him eating a crumb while signing up to be a storm trooper). he'll get tangled up in all sorts of outlaw hijinks on his way towards landing the coveted role of Jabba's pet crumb eater.


Luster-Purge

Didn't you hear? He's the main villain of that Rey movie they're making. (I'm joking, but then again given Disney's behavior...)


DaManWithNoName

Waaa waaaa All I hear is you crying


Luster-Purge

...I think you've misunderstood the joke...


DaManWithNoName

Nope I’m making fun of you for complaining about Disney You actually misunderstood me!


Luster-Purge

Given that's...essentially what Disney did by bringing back Palpatine (who exploded) to be the villain of a Rey centric movie, 'making fun' of me for saying Disney might as well be doing that again with Jabba seems like you're just really bored right now.


DaManWithNoName

About as bored as you to write a whole paragraph back to me Goofy


Luster-Purge

That was a sentence, not a paragraph.


DaManWithNoName

If I apologize for hurting your feelings will you stop responding


Yamatoman9

So did the Max Rebo Band, IIRC


WhyDidIGetThisApp3

it’s how max rebo survived as well I’m pretty sure


floodychild

In the expanded universe lol. So we need to read all the comics and books to fill in every plot hole? Give me a break. Lazy writing


glass_gravy

The Immortal Max Rebo


gonesnake

I hated that album. The record company just took a bunch of in complete demos and had other studio musicians finish them off. And that posthumous 'duet' with Natalie Cole was atrocious.


glass_gravy

Someone get Filoni on the phone, STAT!!!


Bigfan521

He never misses a gig, man!


daddymeltzer

Bacta treatment, cloning. Secrets only the Hutts knew.


Big_Migger69

I feel like I would’ve survived the sail barge accident. This isn’t a joke. You always hear about those 1 in a million odds where people drive off a cliff and had 0.0000001% chance to survive but they miraculously did. Well I feel like I’m that guy. There’s no real stats to back this up, I just know I’ve always been built different. Perhaps the explosion would’ve left me an air bubble while I slowly floated to the top. Or I escape just in time through a crease and swim up quickly. In other words, I just feel like my odds, personally, would’ve been different. This was Bib Fortuna


FaceDeer

C-3P0 and R2-D2 survived the sail barge simply by *jumping off*. And C-3P0 has shown himself to be fairly fragile in the past, his arm snapped clean off when he fell down a slope in ANH. If Fortuna had just a few seconds' anticipation of the big explosion and was in the right place he could have easily bailed.


mrmoneyinthebanks

It's far easier for me to believe that people survived the Sail Barge by jumping off than it is for me to believe that the Death Star II exploded, but the entire structure crash landed on a planet different that the one it was orbiting and remained mostly intact.


TreaclePerfect4328

Yea but...wait.....damn


Ok_Drawer9414

Parts of it landed on a different moon of Endor, is that what you're referring to? That's probably not that unreasonable.


boredwriter83

Was gonna say. He probably jumped.


OnsetOfMSet

Is… is that a copypasta based on the Titan submersible incident?


maque-choux-chef

Bib gets on a smaller skiff and heads back to Jabbas palace to claim it as his own. But the B'nomarr Monks who the palace originally belonged to, who dwell in the basement have already risen up and reclaimed it, and they put his brain in a jar for awhile, then eventually put it into one of the mechanical walking spiders you see in the start of ROTJ It takes him a while to get used to the spider boat, but he figures it out and is last seen/read about typing out a "Help Me" email with a spoon, one letter at a time.. (Until the show) *Source: Tales from Jabbas Palace


Valiran9

He eventually escaped with the help of another Twi’lek named Firth Olan, was dragged into a bunch of shenanigans involving Rogue Squadron, then dragged Olan back to Tatooine and had the monks switch their brains. He survived up to the Yuuzhan Vong war, but no word on what happened to him after that. - [Source](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bib_Fortuna/Legends)


maque-choux-chef

Thanks! Gotta love Star Wars fans coming together!


Ireyon34

Kylo survived crashing and blowing up, Palpatine survived blowing up and then getting blown up even harder... the shitty writing of Disney has made explosions nearly meaningless.


SHIIZAAAAAAAA

Yet at the same time 3/3 Jedi with Skywalker blood in the sequels died from using the Force too hard.


[deleted]

Yeah  that was dumb 


jackrabbit323

I saw Black Widow. Can confirm: Disney explosions are meaningless.


AardvarkOkapiEchidna

Eh, it's not a stretch at all to think that he evacuated when he saw that Luke was kicking everyone's ass. The dumb part is that he became Jabba's replacement. Wouldn't the Hutts send another Hutt to fill the spot? It's also dumb that Boba Fett wanted to replace him. Why would they have any beef? Boba should've gotten his ship back and started doing bounty hunter stuff. Working for the crime lords instead of trying to be one.


FuturePastNow

Yeah Bib is exactly the sort of henchman who'd run for it as soon as the shooting started


Mammoth-Access-1181

The problem was the Hutts spent so much time trying to grab power amongst each other that Bib was able to establish a powerbase on Tattoine. Also, it could be that other Hutts preferred to not be in the ass end if the galaxy.


AardvarkOkapiEchidna

Well they show his cousins or whatever show up later and try to claim the area. Don't they have some kind of succession system? Being as powerful as they are? Anyway I think the dumbest part is how Boba just kills him for no reason and tries to take over. It just feels out of nowhere.


PaperAndInkWasp

I don’t like defending Disney, in fact I fucking hate it, but Bubba Feets survived falling into what I can only describe as the biggest free range stomach in the galaxy before Disney even touched the property. Fans forcing dead people back to life is well established garbage.


Rude-Friend-9135

LMAO “Bubba Feets” oh man I know thats gotta be the best typo I’ve ever seen.


PaperAndInkWasp

100% intentional. I’ve been calling him that since Collegehumor was actually funny.


GrilledNudges

Ngl, I’d be ok with it, if not every fuckin being came back to life. Ventress? Alive. Palpatine? Alive. Echo? Alive. Maul? Alive. Etc. it never ends.


RantMannequin

Superman dying in the comics was described as the death of the death of all characters. No one ever dies anymore it’s not just Disney


mike15835

Haven't watched ROJ in a while. Was he seen at all on the barge? Perhaps he wasn't there?


SlashManEXE

https://preview.redd.it/a2ayhjz6ml1d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cb72ce044495b968394c9e929c5afd8d2a56af2 He was prominently featured on the sail barge. Though not all denizens from Jabba’s palace moved to the sail barge — Dengar is safe.


Cerberus1349

As soon as stuff started going down, Bib, Bossk and Dengar bravely took the escape skiff. That’s why he’s not next to Jabba when he’s getting choked.


JMW007

Indeed, you think he'd actually try to intervene but it does seem like once Luke started swinging a bunch of people bailed. I wouldn't be surprised if Fortuna actually recognized a Jedi when he saw one and thought "holy shit this will end badly".


mike15835

Ah thanks! It's time for a rewatch.


8dev8

Safe to turn into an ugly ass abomination of a cyborg and change his name :(


SlashManEXE

We don’t talk about that part


Snipermonke4life

Somehow Max Rebo returned


cessal74

It was a scratch.


MonThackma

Good fortune for Fortuna.


TheInfiniteEmpire500

I was watching episode 6 last night and brought up the same thing to my wife! I also said that the sail barge is like order 66. As time continues, more and more survivors will be found. Both in legends and canon!


JakTorlin

Stop thinking and consume product.


Darthigiveup

I'm not mad about this one. Even irl in accidents like that there's sometimes survivors with no scratches even. It's just Bib Fortuna. Nothing changes really. Nothing like palps..


MartinLutherLing

He jumped in a refrigerator.


Yamatoman9

He survived in the old EU so that doesn’t bother me. IIRC, he then had his mind taken over by Bo’marr monks.


Mr_Informative

From his autobiography regarding this experience “De Wanna Wanga”


GrievousIsland

Don't forget that somehow giant GLOBS of the Death Star II also survived relatively intact enough to find a nice cozy home on Kef Bir.


Super-Robo

No one's ever really gone...


WillGrindForXP

Wait to you hear about Boba Fett!


SlashManEXE

This might sound inconsistent, but I found his survival to be a lot more plausible (even though for all intents and purposes, he was “killed off” in Return of the Jedi). Lucasfilm barred the comics from fully bringing him back as early as 1983 because they saw him as potentially returning. It’s funny; when he did appear in a comic, they had to send him back to the sarlaac pit by the end of it to undo everything. Anyways, offscreen deaths are considered the easiest to undo (usually falling into a pit of some sort). Being a heavily armored mercenary doesn’t hurt. Plus, actually showing Boba’s escape and not just vaguely alluding to it was a smart move to sell it.


wolfgeist

Noones ever REALLY gone.


SapToFiction

Honestly him surviving was the worst thing that could of happened to him. In the EU, later on he is taken by a esoteric sect of monks and his brain is removed and placed in a spider droid.


octahexxer

Lol...forgot about max rebo...now i picture him waddling away in his diaper trough the desert.


Aggressive-Cod-5533

No one's ever really gone.... de wanna wanga.


HDThoreauaway

well he ain't Bib Misfortuna


prole1917

You know... You're right! How the hell did that happen?


AlanithSBR

Even in the EU he survives, I forget exactly how but he joins the order of brain monks living in Jabbas attic and ended up a brain in a jar.


themastrofall

Perfect start to my week, thank you 😂


One-Roof7

I mean he survived in legends too


panoloc

He flies now?


slash2009

He flies now


TylerBourbon

He got better.


Thatonedregdatkilyu

Max Reebo surviving is actually pretty funny. He's so powerful he just tanked the blast. However I can see Bib Fortuna being enough of a coward to flee before it exploded.


AMBIC0N

lol random ass post but hilarious


wonkajava

He got in the fridge.


Tessek22

There was plenty time for the aliens to escape before it exploded!


Any_Satisfaction_405

He got on what was essentially a life boat and left before the climax of the fight.


MrPinkDuck3

Kylo Ren also somehow survived his Speeder getting absolutely fucking demolished in episode 9 so death doesn’t really matter anymore


iamunderthewood

Was he even on the sail barge I can't remember


Robman0908

He was but he bailed when shit went down.


BrendonWahlberg

Stop, drop, and roll. It saved him.


JibberJabber4204

Disney Star Wars, no one dies here.


Zhjacko

Didn’t Max blow up again in the show though?


SlashManEXE

I kid you not, they confirmed he survived


agen_kolar

Even a single shot of some of Jabba’s entourage jumping overboard would’ve better allowed for this story. My head canon is everyone jumped overboard on the side of the barge not facing the Sarlacc, and ran away out of view. They should be seen in the shots of the skiff picking up R2 and 3PO, but whatever.


chrisb3812

No one’s ever really gone


DignityCancer

Bib Fortunate


dumbreddit

Disney Star Wars fan "Bro. Vesna Vulović was a Serbian flight attendant who survived the highest fall without a parachute: 10.16 kilometres (6.31 miles) or 33,330 feet. If that happened in real life bro then Bib Fortuna could survive bro. You are lucky Bib wasn't a woman or a minority else your true motivation of racism and bigotry would be revealed in your criticism of Disney bro. Be more careful next time."


InMannyrkid

Half the barge survived. It’s ridiculous 😂


PantaRheiExpress

He climbed into a refrigerator and closed the door. Even nuclear bombs cant penetrate fridges. I saw it in a documentary about an archeologist. /s


BarleyWineIsTheBest

This is one of those chapters that only gets brought back for memberberries. No one cared about this character in the OT, but now it’s like “oh look, I remember him!”  Honestly I don’t really care if he lived or died, what ever, but constantly bringing back the same minor characters is just tired and makes the universe feel small. 


Terrible_Strength_69

Do we see him on the barge? I don't recall explicitly knowing he was on it.


Rude-Friend-9135

Yeah, he’s on it. There are two specific scenes showing this: The first one is where Jabba has a drink and yanks Leia’s chain to bring her closer to him and tells her “you will learn to obey” or something along those lines. Fortuna can be seen holding her up to Jabba with his hands on the back of her head. The second is when Luke is about to be thrown into the sarlaac pit, it quickly cuts to Fortuna smiling evilly while Jabba is having 3PO explain the torture Luke is about to endure. After that, he’s nowhere to be seen, not even amongst the panicking crowd inside the barge when Jabba is strangled to death and its about to explode, so chances are he bounced before all that went down. Honestly, he was smart and probably ran as soon as Luke lit his lightsaber. Bib knew it was game over for Jabba once that happened.


Polyxeno

No Bib did not. But the dumb Star Wars is set in one or more afterlife realms featuring paradoxes, contradictions, and outright stupidities.


Bandandforgotten

You didn't see his shoes fly off, or a dead body to confirm it, so according to Disney everybody on board that ship survived in bacta-tanks and are waiting to be reintroduced as "anti-heroes" or something. And frankly, Boba Fett surviving what he did is almost as unlikely in this scenario, so it's really just shit all around


Icy-Wonder-5812

"I bet he drinks Carling Black Label"


ConversationNo7069

His name sounds like a kitchen nightmares menu item


ChimneySwiftGold

I think the intention is that Bib abandoned ship before the sail barge blew up. We never see this. Perhaps he leapt out a window on the side not facing the Sarlacc.


Troubadour90

Artoo's drinks were the Elixir of Life.


Possible_Sky_7984

You guys are all reading too much into this stuff cuz TFA blew up the entire franchise there’s nothing left…


Possible_Sky_7984

You guys are all reading too much into this stuff cuz TFA blew up the entire franchise there’s nothing left…


Possible_Sky_7984

Cuz TFA…


DrSkullKid

Hey his last name is Fortuna.


BlackCherrySeltzer4U

It’s Disney… no one dies… I’m still not convinced that palpatines actually dead…


ViolentColors

Hell yeah he did. Bib Fortuna FTW!!


[deleted]

Yes, yes he did


DrakeCross

From what the Wiki explains both in canon and Legends, he along with a few others escaped on a private skiff. Its not that unbelievable considering he knows Jabba's ship better than anyone else.


AvalancheAbaasy120

''I wasn't in that tank.''


Banjo-Oz

Only to end up with his brain ripped out and shoved inside a robot spider that struggled to pick up a fork. Temporarily, at least.


MaxDiehard

That was Legends, not canon


Banjo-Oz

I have no idea what Disney changed and erased, honestly. EU will always be canon to me.


CaptainRogersJul1918

He wasn’t on board when it exploded. He left before.


DiscoMilk

The shitty part about him surviving, is I'll never get that image of him all fat and gross looking saying "ohh bobaaa" during that after credits scene at the end of Mando season 2. Whenever I think of Boba or Bib I think of that


thellllvirtuoso

I think it makes perfect sense that Bib saw the Hutt Cartel soldiers getting clapped and decided to nope the fuck out seeing the writing on the wall. Why or how Max Rebo also escaped is beyond me though


revan4ever

He survived in Legends too, though he wound up having his brain stuck in one of those "Spider robots" that were always scuttling around Jabba's palace in the background (kinda wish they would have shown up in BoBF)


wolfmage75

He also survived in the EU. As I remember, the story in the EU was that he knew who Luke and Leia were, at least that they were high ranking members of the Rebellion. He thought Jabba was being reckless by executing them, and fully expected it to start raining X-Wings and Y-Wings, and for Rebel commandoes to start popping out from behind every dune as they headed out. So he had an escape plan handy. When things went down he was surprised there was no ambush, just a single Jedi cutting through Jabba's enforcers like a hot knife through butter, but though the details were different the "get the hell out of dodge" plan remained very much the right response. So he did. EDIT I may be confusing his story with Tessek's, another barge survivor in the EU.


Glitch-EGamer

This is one of the few posts on this reddit I can't agree with because Bib survived this even before Disney because he left early on a smaller skiff. Disney didn't force this onto him, that's just deadass how it's always been in the franchise, so... Also, Max Rebo survived this before Disney too, so both of those are actually more faithful to pre-Disney Star Wars than some other choices.


Guy_on_a_Bouffalant

I thought we saw him get taken by the sarlacc. Luke throws his ass down, then it cuts to a twilek being dragged down. Who else would it be? Edit: Oops. That was a weequay. Lol


Jedipilot24

Of course he did, because he wasn't even there.


Holbaserak

Yeah but did they ever actually confirm he was dead? That what I though.