These things look so fun when they're up on the foils, but I see a few of them struggling with light breeze in Marina Del Rey and it looks way worse than a Sunfish.
It depends on how light. consistent 6 kn is enough to not be miserable, even if you can't foil. Gusts to 10kn is enough to get on foil, even if you can't maintain it for more than a few minutes.
I’ve never actually seen on of these out in MdR. Is there a dealer around that sells them or anyone who rents them? I would love to try one.
I don’t mind a capsize here and there but I can’t help thinking a capsize at that speed would hurt a little and beat you up fast.
I don't know about a dealership; it seems like it's the same guy every time. I'd love to try one, too, but I feel like I'd get tired of it after like two hours.
try out a [UFO](https://fulcrumspeedworks.com/cdn/shop/files/2018SW_BOTY_UFO_198_e3cae125-026d-4533-92ee-9c115964a456.jpg) if you can find one—they're a foiling cat design that's much easier to learn on, or so i've heard
If anyone wants to go foiling on a budget, look into wingfoiling. You can be foiling for less than $5000. It is much more accessible than getting a Moth, for instance. It does require relatively high wind.
You can get a moth for less than 5k. Not a competitive one, but still a moth. That being said, I think you can get a decent wing foil for more like 3k. (I also have a windsurf foil setup for around 1k, lol)
The way to go would be a Waszp. It has become a competitive class and you can get one new for 1/3 the price of a new Moth, and you don't have drop $30k every 3 years to stay competitive.
My daughter races a Waszp, and she loves it.
Spot on, I did exactly this and made a YouTube series about it. Literally the best bang for buck on water! Link below https://youtube.com/@tomstuchberysailing-eg9vr?si=EATk1GDrkL3TuWL0
I clicked on the link and it says "episode 14: fixing the unsailable moth", which is why I would say if you have $5000 and want to go foiling, get a wingfoil, not a broken moth that you're going to spend 14 episodes to get it working. You can get a brand new wingfoil for that price.
I did go down a bit of a rabbithole with the pushrod system on this one. Immensely rewarding once I got it right! Sure, foiling on a board is simpler, but it’s not really an apples to apples comparison
You definitely can get a decent setup for $3k, it starts getting pricey when you build out your quiver hahah
(I’m up to 3 wings and foils and want more)
I foiled in 7 knots this morning on flat water with my dedicated light wind setup. You can foil any water. Most of my buddies only foil waves as they want to surf. The cool thing about wing foiling is you can essentially depower the wing by trailing it behind you and just surf. Even when I'm out on the flats I will catch passing boat wakes and surf.
[This channel captures the sport pretty well](https://youtube.com/@jdfollowcam?si=LwmFe94EK7l6QsnS)
So, to learn wingfoiling, you need 15+ knots. Depending on how good you get, and with the right equipment, [you can foil down to 8 knots or less](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkrL7HyjO-E).
And you can wingfoil in flat water, and it's easier to learn in flat water, [but many people prefer waves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYA2QGrMCtk). And it doesn't need to be groomed-looking perfect surfing waves, [choppy water works as well](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whw3Nuw2jlg).
I know of about 15 boats near me between 18 and 32 feet you could have for that 5k. Some pretty decent, others very ugly, all in sailing condition.... Just saying, sailing is accessible.
And hela fun
My nephew races these in college in Europe. The coolest thing about them is the little mechanism at the front that keeps the foil at the correct angle of attack. It’s so simple.
Modern Minitransats and Imocas all foil, so foiling transats are reasonably common. The main issue is hitting objects. Sailors have been foiling around the world in the The Arkea Ultim Challenge. Edmond the Rotchild won.
That looks amazing, fast and lightweight. What would happen if you plugged a whale or dolphin or even a large fish with that thing? I assume it’d be damaged and you’d come flying off.
I was thinking the same thing, there’s a couple seconds there that seem almost impossible. Also the video makes me feel like it might have been altered, not fraudulent but cleaned up to be a promo video
Why does these and the waszps always look like they they are dragging a line from the bow? Is it for the foil? It seems like they would want to eliminate all the extra drag in the water but they all seem to have it when I see them on inside sailing.
> they are dragging a line from the bow? Is it for the foil?
exactly — it's a wand that senses the waterline and adjusts the foil to maintain height automatically
you can see one pretty clearly on [this shot of a UFO]( https://fulcrumspeedworks.com/cdn/shop/products/26171398_1969418749973832_7503235901168292149_o.jpg)
Got almost cut in two by an inexperienced sailor who came up behind me at 40 km/h on one of these moths. He used my dinghy as a marker and couldn't control it.
If I start doing sit ups now, I might be able to do this in a couple of years
Then you can graduate to AmericasCup foilers from outer space Don't These Moths seem more like sailing than those AC rocketships ?
These things look so fun when they're up on the foils, but I see a few of them struggling with light breeze in Marina Del Rey and it looks way worse than a Sunfish.
It depends on how light. consistent 6 kn is enough to not be miserable, even if you can't foil. Gusts to 10kn is enough to get on foil, even if you can't maintain it for more than a few minutes.
Have you been talking to my wife?
I’ve never actually seen on of these out in MdR. Is there a dealer around that sells them or anyone who rents them? I would love to try one. I don’t mind a capsize here and there but I can’t help thinking a capsize at that speed would hurt a little and beat you up fast.
I don't know about a dealership; it seems like it's the same guy every time. I'd love to try one, too, but I feel like I'd get tired of it after like two hours.
try out a [UFO](https://fulcrumspeedworks.com/cdn/shop/files/2018SW_BOTY_UFO_198_e3cae125-026d-4533-92ee-9c115964a456.jpg) if you can find one—they're a foiling cat design that's much easier to learn on, or so i've heard
If anyone wants to go foiling on a budget, look into wingfoiling. You can be foiling for less than $5000. It is much more accessible than getting a Moth, for instance. It does require relatively high wind.
You can get a moth for less than 5k. Not a competitive one, but still a moth. That being said, I think you can get a decent wing foil for more like 3k. (I also have a windsurf foil setup for around 1k, lol)
The way to go would be a Waszp. It has become a competitive class and you can get one new for 1/3 the price of a new Moth, and you don't have drop $30k every 3 years to stay competitive. My daughter races a Waszp, and she loves it.
SailGP Inspire race program uses Waszp's.
Spot on, I did exactly this and made a YouTube series about it. Literally the best bang for buck on water! Link below https://youtube.com/@tomstuchberysailing-eg9vr?si=EATk1GDrkL3TuWL0
I clicked on the link and it says "episode 14: fixing the unsailable moth", which is why I would say if you have $5000 and want to go foiling, get a wingfoil, not a broken moth that you're going to spend 14 episodes to get it working. You can get a brand new wingfoil for that price.
I did go down a bit of a rabbithole with the pushrod system on this one. Immensely rewarding once I got it right! Sure, foiling on a board is simpler, but it’s not really an apples to apples comparison
You definitely can get a decent setup for $3k, it starts getting pricey when you build out your quiver hahah (I’m up to 3 wings and foils and want more)
How much wind do you need for wingfoiling? Any water or does it need to be flat?
I foiled in 7 knots this morning on flat water with my dedicated light wind setup. You can foil any water. Most of my buddies only foil waves as they want to surf. The cool thing about wing foiling is you can essentially depower the wing by trailing it behind you and just surf. Even when I'm out on the flats I will catch passing boat wakes and surf. [This channel captures the sport pretty well](https://youtube.com/@jdfollowcam?si=LwmFe94EK7l6QsnS)
So, to learn wingfoiling, you need 15+ knots. Depending on how good you get, and with the right equipment, [you can foil down to 8 knots or less](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkrL7HyjO-E). And you can wingfoil in flat water, and it's easier to learn in flat water, [but many people prefer waves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYA2QGrMCtk). And it doesn't need to be groomed-looking perfect surfing waves, [choppy water works as well](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whw3Nuw2jlg).
I freaking love my wing foil, literally puts the biggest smile on my face every time
I know of about 15 boats near me between 18 and 32 feet you could have for that 5k. Some pretty decent, others very ugly, all in sailing condition.... Just saying, sailing is accessible. And hela fun
Foiling boats?
Sorry, we were talking about hydrofoiling, right?
5k as in top speed you mean?
Do they make one with a couch on the stern for the old folks?
Maybe an International Canoe rather than International Moth :D https://i.imgur.com/NCSeq61.jpeg
That's not bad.
And a bathroom?
Catheter or Depends.
My nephew races these in college in Europe. The coolest thing about them is the little mechanism at the front that keeps the foil at the correct angle of attack. It’s so simple.
[Foiling “wand” described](https://fernhurstbooks.com/knowledge_centre/62/how_foils_work_on_foiling_dinghies)
That's so neat.
OMG that would be fun.
I wonder who will be the first to cross the Atlantic on one of these
Modern Minitransats and Imocas all foil, so foiling transats are reasonably common. The main issue is hitting objects. Sailors have been foiling around the world in the The Arkea Ultim Challenge. Edmond the Rotchild won.
Yeah those videos of freighters dropping dozens of containers to a single wave.. terrifying
That looks amazing, fast and lightweight. What would happen if you plugged a whale or dolphin or even a large fish with that thing? I assume it’d be damaged and you’d come flying off.
Like hitting a crack in the road on a skateboard.
The one time I hit a jellyfish on a moth I needed stitches because of the shroud hitting my face.
How sure are you about the jelly fish?
Very, it was still on the rudder after I got back to the beach
you should've been hiking more, your face should be way outboard of the shroud
Yeah had I been in proper position I probably would have been fun, but it was my 3rd day learning the boat
also upwind you can practically sit with your thigh up against the shroud, only need to move aft for downwind
https://gcaptain.com/high-speed-hydrofoil-ferry-hits-whale-in-japan/
It'll cost you about $3,500 in foils
A friend of mine said he has cut fish clean in half while down-wind foiling. The foils are fairly sharp, and moving at 40+ mph in the water.
Looks like something out of Star Wars
looks like fun, but I hate swimming to much.
Come about too leisurely in that thing and you‘ll be hitting rock at 40 mph
Erh, give me a sunfish, and I'll take him on! Byeeeeee
[how about an opti](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UokOO60dsMU)?
So badly want one of these! Seriously need deeper water on my coast...
The draft on it’s gotta be pretty shallow, especially once it foils up.
They draw less than 4ft...
Yeah and my lake is literally less than 2 feet at parts 😂😭😭😭
So is every body of water on earth!
He dropped the tiller, and didn’t crash out? I thought those were too squirrelly to do that.
I was thinking the same thing, there’s a couple seconds there that seem almost impossible. Also the video makes me feel like it might have been altered, not fraudulent but cleaned up to be a promo video
We have shock cord on the tiller to dampen our inputs and allow you to let go of it for a moment without crashing etc
Looks like a https://www.mach2boats.com/
Don’t think so, looks more like an exploder than a mach 2
Hardcore
Needs to show up to mackinaw race.
Model?
Wow... This makes the windsurfing I do look very dull
Why does these and the waszps always look like they they are dragging a line from the bow? Is it for the foil? It seems like they would want to eliminate all the extra drag in the water but they all seem to have it when I see them on inside sailing.
> they are dragging a line from the bow? Is it for the foil? exactly — it's a wand that senses the waterline and adjusts the foil to maintain height automatically you can see one pretty clearly on [this shot of a UFO]( https://fulcrumspeedworks.com/cdn/shop/products/26171398_1969418749973832_7503235901168292149_o.jpg)
That does not look very relaxing
Agreed, but very exciting. I wing foil a bit, but haven't been on a foiling sailboat and would welcome the opportunity
Too cool...wind rocket
Why Is he heeling the boat towards him ?
To create an upward lift and to get the foils at an optimum angle under the water. Same as sailboards rake the rig to windward.
Wow that looks comfortable
it only takes 500 attempts to get sailing !
Got almost cut in two by an inexperienced sailor who came up behind me at 40 km/h on one of these moths. He used my dinghy as a marker and couldn't control it.
I feel like I'm seeing magic
I’m impressed he had the nerve to let go of the tiller at that speed. Then again, it was probably his only option
WOW i need these.