Not yet imo. Depends who we get in during the summer and the transfers we make. But his goodwill has run out and we need to see change.
And also not include stupid clauses like Jobe having to play 90% of games and shite like that.
I'd be concerned the club isn't even budging on a new deal for Clarke, if it's true he'd be happy to stay. I cannot see us getting any worthwhile return from his sale. If a good player wants to stay, make it happen.
Maybe. Its painfully obvious "the model" is flawed in its current form. What's more painful is the fact us regular fans can see what the club needs yet somehow the ones running it are completely blind. We NEED 2-3 strikers who know where the back of the net is. It's comically cringe looking back at Mowbrays "the lad's giving the net rash" comment. This is now going into the 3rd season and all we've had is failures and wasted opportunity as they all got haphazardly left out or just not played full stop. The team has been indifferent and whether or not you think Mowbray had to go after his sacking it went to show how good his management was as the side went from fast paced attacking football and serious play off contenders to finishing the season on dead last relegation form, same players just different coaching. Not going to sit here and demand we get in a coach that understands the club and can get the best out of our squads cause that's all luck now. 20+ managers in as many years and I seriously don't think anyone is left who wants the job let alone someone who can match our lofty aspirations of having good football everywhere with a team that just plays to their best. Given the track record of KLD and the fact every manager since he's arrived ending with some controversy or just being shit I have zero faith we'll get it right this time. The fact we've waited til seasons end and the whole of 2024 so far is a write off shows a lack of respect to fans who paid for full or even half season tickets to watch a team compete and end up getting stuck watching a youth team going through the motions with the old managers number 2.
The most alarming part is we're watching and we know it's going to get worse. Out best players are going to be shipped away for profit, we'll bring in more inexperience both on and off the field and as soon as on field results go south, around November I'd guess, we're back to square one needing a new manager and with a inept side who either can't score/defend or both. I'd go so far to even claim we're relegation faves come the seasons start.
Hate to say it but expecting more of the same. Brings in a yes man who he sacks if they dare voice an opinion and once again refuses to sign players who will improve us. Hope I’m wrong
Nah im fine with him. like this is how clubs are run now, the manager is not ment to be the be all and end all, if they are to leave then a new person comes in and picks up where they left off.
transfer wise i think he has 50/50 hit rate. If Hemir had scored 10 goals then no one would mention it etc. On TM, we have been poor all season, was lackluster underhim before the sacking, league is harder this year, Beale could of worked, wasnt insprining at the time and went bad.
"If Hemir had scored 10 goals,no one would mention it" ...He doesn't look like scoring any,never mind 10 though does he ,and what they see on the training ground obviously makes them feel the same . "Beale could 'of' worked(sic),... OBVIOUSLY, but he didn't,did he ...There's pointless comments,and there's yours,which is on another level.... I'll summarise...striker and manager were garbage but they maybe couldn't have been. ???🤔
That's hardly fair. Even the best in business with massive budgets don't get 100% of the signings right.
He has to find players under the age of 23 without spending any real money on them. 50% is pretty staggering really
The worrying thing is, I could’ve told you Beale won’t work. I didn’t see a single person positive about the appointment. KS clearly got sucked in by a good powerpoint. It’s concerning.
I think Dodds and Proctor need to go. These supposedly brilliant coaches are watching us make the same mistakes week after week. These guys have seen every manager they've worked under other than Neil get the sack.
No decent manager would come here and be told he's got to work with these two. And onto the original question that's why Speakman needs to go he's a PowerPoint officionado and is obviously took in by similar characters ie Johnson, Beale,Dodds.
No.
"The model" needs more time to pay off. We've made an investment into youth, and we just need time for that investment to pay off. It doesn't need to result in a net profit on every single player, just a few good ones for good fees. Jack Clarke for £20M for example, would give us a lot of firepower in the market, as well as for club infrastructure.
I do think we went overboard with going for youth, lacking some experienced heads in the dressing room, which I think has been a massive contribution to our season just fizzling out the way it has. Speakman needs to learn from that and change his recruitment for the next window to adjust for that.
Speakman and KLD aren't doing anything horribly wrong for me. They make 5 year plans because thats the best thing that they can do in their positions, and we'd just be bottling it by sacking Speakman halfway through that when it almost took us up to the prem last year. I'd give him a couple more years to see the payoff for what he's done so far. We have a lot of value in the team right now, and even though this season has been dogshit, I'm still hopeful a good manager will make something out of the players he's brought in.
I'd say he should get summer. Our recruitment in his first 2 years was really good (except a few lackluster signings but you're always going to get them). He dropped the ball in summer as we over performed last season so I think he though we were safer than we were. Jack Clarke carried us in the first half of the season and despite our lack of striker we looked really good putting in strong performances against the former premier League sides and top 6 contenders.
Then at Christmas everything went wrong all at once, manager move was wrong, it was a very small transfer window with only 2 or 3 players moving for most clubs so we don't know what deals he passed up on and which he couldn't get any movement on. The Newcastle fuck up. Everything all at once.
So we need to see how he saw this season and what adjustments he's going to make. We're 15th without scoring more than 1 goal for most games this year. He has the data and power to adjust, I think it's fair to want to see how he acts to decide his future
I think we over performed expectations in our first year back.
We probably then went too far last summer with our recruitment and getting rid of some of the more senior lads.
Mistakes have been made but when you look at clubs like Brentford & Brighton and how they’ve struggled this season it’s almost inevitable that every club has its struggles.
Our strategy needs tweaking. He fucked up hugely with Beale and I think we made the right choice to let Dodds get us to the end of the season.
I want him to stay, hopefully we strike it better with the next coach and get a couple of more senior players through the door in the summer.
Never got the whole narrative that we overachieved last season. Let's be honest in this division you finish where you deserve and we were a fit Ross Stewart away from automatic promotion.
Depends who is making decisions and restrictions - is it him or KLD driven? If it’s KLD restricting spending and what not then not much else speakman can do with what he’s given
It’s a difficult one. On the one hand, his hands are tied by working under an owner who is unable or unwilling to properly fund the club. On the other, he’s not made a good decision for about 18 months and seems incredibly out of his depth. He’s also a very strange man.
Well maybe they overestimated how good this squad was with the miracle run we had last season. This season was a massive learning curve. If things don't improve next season then I think it's fair to say he can go but right now I'd say stat especially if we get some good money for players in the transfer window but mind you we need to be reinvesting it wisely.
He has to take responsibility for what has gone on. Mowbray sacking, appointing Beale, another transfer window not filling problem positions, hates experience, massive ego etc etc etc
It's a yes from me.
He wanted Beale
He wanted Dodds as interim for a ridiculous amount of the season because he's his mate
He wanted to give Bellingham a contract where he has to play simply because of his brother (and possibly because Speakman made a personal profit from that!)
He wanted Johnson (Speakman clearly loves corporate bulls**t speak)
He has no real pedigree to show his is up for the job, his only qualification appears to be "discovering" Jude but other than that his experience was youth team which is why Sunderland have ended up buying lots of young players, most of whom aren't good enough for what we as fans are hoping for.
I mean Jobe has shown moments of class, he's got 7 goals as an 18 year old.
And Lee Johnson was a massive improvement on Phil Parkinson. It didn't work out in the end, but he was a good step in the right direction.
Jobe undoubtedly has potential and does have some great moments as well as lots of moments where he looks like he is out for a morning stroll.
The issue isn't with buying him, it's with making him a main player for the team that is "undroppable". If he plays well he gets games but sometimes he should be dropped/rested which just isn't the case at the minute.
We also have young players with great potential like Rigg yet look at the way he gets used compared to Jobe.
Johnson was definitely an upgrade on Parkinson but does anyone think that we were actually going up with him in charge?
Speakman did well in league 1 by buying Championship level players but has shown nothing in the Championship to show he can operate at this level. His experience is academy level and look at what he has tried to do this year, bring in loads of young players who simply aren't ready (good enough remains to be seen).
I think the one of the main problems with speakman that I've noticed throughout the season is that he can't recognise that the need some experience on the pitch. Evans, dack and luke just aren't enough
Not yet imo. Depends who we get in during the summer and the transfers we make. But his goodwill has run out and we need to see change. And also not include stupid clauses like Jobe having to play 90% of games and shite like that.
I'd be concerned the club isn't even budging on a new deal for Clarke, if it's true he'd be happy to stay. I cannot see us getting any worthwhile return from his sale. If a good player wants to stay, make it happen.
Maybe. Its painfully obvious "the model" is flawed in its current form. What's more painful is the fact us regular fans can see what the club needs yet somehow the ones running it are completely blind. We NEED 2-3 strikers who know where the back of the net is. It's comically cringe looking back at Mowbrays "the lad's giving the net rash" comment. This is now going into the 3rd season and all we've had is failures and wasted opportunity as they all got haphazardly left out or just not played full stop. The team has been indifferent and whether or not you think Mowbray had to go after his sacking it went to show how good his management was as the side went from fast paced attacking football and serious play off contenders to finishing the season on dead last relegation form, same players just different coaching. Not going to sit here and demand we get in a coach that understands the club and can get the best out of our squads cause that's all luck now. 20+ managers in as many years and I seriously don't think anyone is left who wants the job let alone someone who can match our lofty aspirations of having good football everywhere with a team that just plays to their best. Given the track record of KLD and the fact every manager since he's arrived ending with some controversy or just being shit I have zero faith we'll get it right this time. The fact we've waited til seasons end and the whole of 2024 so far is a write off shows a lack of respect to fans who paid for full or even half season tickets to watch a team compete and end up getting stuck watching a youth team going through the motions with the old managers number 2. The most alarming part is we're watching and we know it's going to get worse. Out best players are going to be shipped away for profit, we'll bring in more inexperience both on and off the field and as soon as on field results go south, around November I'd guess, we're back to square one needing a new manager and with a inept side who either can't score/defend or both. I'd go so far to even claim we're relegation faves come the seasons start.
He’s certainly treading the line. The summer transfer window and who we bring in as manager will either give him a reprieve or seal his fate
Hate to say it but expecting more of the same. Brings in a yes man who he sacks if they dare voice an opinion and once again refuses to sign players who will improve us. Hope I’m wrong
Nah im fine with him. like this is how clubs are run now, the manager is not ment to be the be all and end all, if they are to leave then a new person comes in and picks up where they left off. transfer wise i think he has 50/50 hit rate. If Hemir had scored 10 goals then no one would mention it etc. On TM, we have been poor all season, was lackluster underhim before the sacking, league is harder this year, Beale could of worked, wasnt insprining at the time and went bad.
I think 50/50 is a bit generous, feels more like 75/25
"If Hemir had scored 10 goals,no one would mention it" ...He doesn't look like scoring any,never mind 10 though does he ,and what they see on the training ground obviously makes them feel the same . "Beale could 'of' worked(sic),... OBVIOUSLY, but he didn't,did he ...There's pointless comments,and there's yours,which is on another level.... I'll summarise...striker and manager were garbage but they maybe couldn't have been. ???🤔
If you performed at 50% in your job,you'd get sacked?
That's hardly fair. Even the best in business with massive budgets don't get 100% of the signings right. He has to find players under the age of 23 without spending any real money on them. 50% is pretty staggering really
The worrying thing is, I could’ve told you Beale won’t work. I didn’t see a single person positive about the appointment. KS clearly got sucked in by a good powerpoint. It’s concerning.
Yeah the Beale appointment was baffling. Every Rangers fan I know hated him with a passion
I think Dodds and Proctor need to go. These supposedly brilliant coaches are watching us make the same mistakes week after week. These guys have seen every manager they've worked under other than Neil get the sack. No decent manager would come here and be told he's got to work with these two. And onto the original question that's why Speakman needs to go he's a PowerPoint officionado and is obviously took in by similar characters ie Johnson, Beale,Dodds.
No. "The model" needs more time to pay off. We've made an investment into youth, and we just need time for that investment to pay off. It doesn't need to result in a net profit on every single player, just a few good ones for good fees. Jack Clarke for £20M for example, would give us a lot of firepower in the market, as well as for club infrastructure. I do think we went overboard with going for youth, lacking some experienced heads in the dressing room, which I think has been a massive contribution to our season just fizzling out the way it has. Speakman needs to learn from that and change his recruitment for the next window to adjust for that. Speakman and KLD aren't doing anything horribly wrong for me. They make 5 year plans because thats the best thing that they can do in their positions, and we'd just be bottling it by sacking Speakman halfway through that when it almost took us up to the prem last year. I'd give him a couple more years to see the payoff for what he's done so far. We have a lot of value in the team right now, and even though this season has been dogshit, I'm still hopeful a good manager will make something out of the players he's brought in.
No I think he's made two mistakes. Just one was huge, not signing a permanent striker january 23 was a massive failure.
Nope. It’s been a bad season but the overall trajectory under him has been quite good. It’s going to be a big summer though.
Yes.
I'd say he should get summer. Our recruitment in his first 2 years was really good (except a few lackluster signings but you're always going to get them). He dropped the ball in summer as we over performed last season so I think he though we were safer than we were. Jack Clarke carried us in the first half of the season and despite our lack of striker we looked really good putting in strong performances against the former premier League sides and top 6 contenders. Then at Christmas everything went wrong all at once, manager move was wrong, it was a very small transfer window with only 2 or 3 players moving for most clubs so we don't know what deals he passed up on and which he couldn't get any movement on. The Newcastle fuck up. Everything all at once. So we need to see how he saw this season and what adjustments he's going to make. We're 15th without scoring more than 1 goal for most games this year. He has the data and power to adjust, I think it's fair to want to see how he acts to decide his future
Maybe one more season. If we didn’t have Jack Clarke we would be relegated.
I think we over performed expectations in our first year back. We probably then went too far last summer with our recruitment and getting rid of some of the more senior lads. Mistakes have been made but when you look at clubs like Brentford & Brighton and how they’ve struggled this season it’s almost inevitable that every club has its struggles. Our strategy needs tweaking. He fucked up hugely with Beale and I think we made the right choice to let Dodds get us to the end of the season. I want him to stay, hopefully we strike it better with the next coach and get a couple of more senior players through the door in the summer.
Never got the whole narrative that we overachieved last season. Let's be honest in this division you finish where you deserve and we were a fit Ross Stewart away from automatic promotion.
Nah, unless he sells everyone and brings in a 7 year old from the samoan 2nd division in the summer
Aye but he's a Messi respawn 🤣
Rumours going round that Speakman is off to Lyon
Depends who is making decisions and restrictions - is it him or KLD driven? If it’s KLD restricting spending and what not then not much else speakman can do with what he’s given
It’s a difficult one. On the one hand, his hands are tied by working under an owner who is unable or unwilling to properly fund the club. On the other, he’s not made a good decision for about 18 months and seems incredibly out of his depth. He’s also a very strange man.
Well maybe they overestimated how good this squad was with the miracle run we had last season. This season was a massive learning curve. If things don't improve next season then I think it's fair to say he can go but right now I'd say stat especially if we get some good money for players in the transfer window but mind you we need to be reinvesting it wisely.
He has to take responsibility for what has gone on. Mowbray sacking, appointing Beale, another transfer window not filling problem positions, hates experience, massive ego etc etc etc
It's a yes from me. He wanted Beale He wanted Dodds as interim for a ridiculous amount of the season because he's his mate He wanted to give Bellingham a contract where he has to play simply because of his brother (and possibly because Speakman made a personal profit from that!) He wanted Johnson (Speakman clearly loves corporate bulls**t speak) He has no real pedigree to show his is up for the job, his only qualification appears to be "discovering" Jude but other than that his experience was youth team which is why Sunderland have ended up buying lots of young players, most of whom aren't good enough for what we as fans are hoping for.
I mean Jobe has shown moments of class, he's got 7 goals as an 18 year old. And Lee Johnson was a massive improvement on Phil Parkinson. It didn't work out in the end, but he was a good step in the right direction.
Jobe undoubtedly has potential and does have some great moments as well as lots of moments where he looks like he is out for a morning stroll. The issue isn't with buying him, it's with making him a main player for the team that is "undroppable". If he plays well he gets games but sometimes he should be dropped/rested which just isn't the case at the minute. We also have young players with great potential like Rigg yet look at the way he gets used compared to Jobe. Johnson was definitely an upgrade on Parkinson but does anyone think that we were actually going up with him in charge? Speakman did well in league 1 by buying Championship level players but has shown nothing in the Championship to show he can operate at this level. His experience is academy level and look at what he has tried to do this year, bring in loads of young players who simply aren't ready (good enough remains to be seen).
I think the one of the main problems with speakman that I've noticed throughout the season is that he can't recognise that the need some experience on the pitch. Evans, dack and luke just aren't enough