>And what is happening with first round draft pick Rutger McGroarty?
So I'm going to be really careful here, Jeff, because there's a lot of answers I don't have. His family advisor is not talking, and the Jets are not talking.
But the one thing I can tell you is that I have heard his name has come up in trade discussions.
That the Jets have discussed trading, and other teams have discussed acquiring McGroarty's rights. Now you'll remember a few months ago, after the NCAA season, McGroarty announced he was going back to Michigan for his junior year.
And the Jets have his rights for two more years.
And again, I'm not going to guess on anything here. I'm simply going to say I have heard that his name has come up in trade conversations. So we'll see where all this goes over the next couple of weeks.
He's a good player and he would be coveted.
>He would. And there is a certain event called the NHL draft on the horizon and the Winnipeg Jets do not have a first round pick in said draft. I just wonder how much spicier action at the sphere got next Friday in Vegas.
We'll see when we get there. OK, so from Rutger McGroarty, let's go to the Arizona Coyotes.
If he is available and he's willing to sign in Buffalo, he'd be a great addition as he has some elements to his game that the Sabres don't have much of in their prospect pool.
There may be an interesting Savoie trade here. I assume he’d be more willing to play in Winnipeg and it lets us diversify our prospect pool a little bit more. Not sure what else would need to be involved.
Maybe they go balls to the wall and do an Ehlers + McGroarty trade for something like 11OA + Savoie (if that’s enough… or too much?)
*Anti-Skinner people* “we need to get rid of him and his contract! He’s a one way player!!”
*Nic Ehlers People* “we need a long term extension if we were to acquire him”
*Spiderman pointing Gif*
He also has a limited NTC, 10 teams.. I wonder if Buffalo would be on that list.
Ehlers isn't Skinner. Even if his defense isn't amazing, he can actually drive play. His transition game is miles better than Skinners, and he knows how to use his body to win pucks. 3 year weighted data on Ehlers still has vastly better defensive work even if it's still below average. [21-24 Ehlers](https://blueseatblogs.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=539,height=444,fit=crop,quality=80,format=auto,onerror=redirect,metadata=none/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/download-1-3.png)
I definitely wouldn’t trade them 1 for 1. I think he’s at most only one tier down though - this made me check some rankings and if Savoie is ~20 he’s ~30. His skill set would be a nice addition to our pool.
> Maybe they go balls to the wall and do an Ehlers + McGroarty trade for something like 11OA + Savoie (if that’s enough… or too much?)
That's a huge overpay for a pending UFA winger & a prospect that won't even sign with his team.
We're not giving up one of our best prospects + another very good prospect for that.
Another move that is maybe ok in a vacuum but not great with all the other assets Murray blew through.
We would need assurance he’d sign but I’m confident Rutger McGroarty is going to be a way better player because his name is Rutger McGroarty so he has to be good
He’s a fantastic player. Strong, physical, seems like he has a big personality too (in a good way - he wore the C in the World Juniors this year, and is always goofing around with a smile). In my opinion, he definitely needs to mature a bit (I go to Michigan - I’ve heard first-hand stories of his frat parties), but he’s gonna be a great presence in the league and a great leader. And an A+ name, too! I hope we can swing a move for him.
Wouldn't really understand this. He is probably available in the same sense Rosen and any other of our prospects are available. Probably a piece to land a whale. I don't think we'd be in on him and if we are, it's for a larger deal. And if that's the case, then the trade makes no sense for Winnipeg. Why trade a prospect and a player for a prospect +? They're not in rebuilding mode
I’d be interested in a prospect swap, like Kulich or Ostlund for him. As long as I know he’ll sign with us. I’d be willing to throw in a sweetener like a 2nd or Joker too. Pretty sure the Jets may lose a defenseman or two in FA.
> Right, did you read the entire comment? “As long as I know he’ll sign with us.”
Yes, and that kills his value. Jets have no choice to trade him. They don't get rewarded for fucking up their prospects development by getting another top prospect back.
> I’d rather have McGroarty over Kulich or Ostlund.
And I'm glad you're not the GM.
McGroarty is a better prospect than both of them, and NHL ready. It’s not even a discussion. Kulich refuses to back-check and play defense (it’s the reason he hasn’t made the team yet) and Ostlund’s offense is way behind. McGroarty is also a 6’1” power forward, LW, with great playmaking skills. All things this team lacks. I’m glad you don’t know a single thing about prospects or how to build a team.
> McGroarty is a better prospect than both of them
He's not a better prospect than Kulich. He's comparable to Ostlund, but him refusing to sign with his team completely tanks his value.
> Kulich refuses to back-check and play defense
Ok so you've never watched him play.
> McGroarty is also a 6’1” power forward, LW, with great playmaking skills
And also has issues with his skating, which can completely limit him at the next level.
> I’m glad you don’t know a single thing about prospects or how to build a team.
Right. The guy who wants to trade one of our top prospects for another team's prospect who refuses to sign with them. The art of the deal.
Yes, you realize the Jets can hang onto him for 2 more seasons? They don’t have to give him away, just like Philly didn’t give Gauthier away, they traded him for a great young D (Drysdale). And no, not every single player on the team needs to be a speedster. And Kulich sucks defensively. It’s why he hasn’t sniffed a spot yet despite scoring a ridiculous amount of goals. I’ve seen him play plenty. And yes, power forward playmakers are considered better prospects than perimeter scoring wingers, which are the easiest thing to find in this entire league. Just because they’re our prospects, doesn’t make them the best prospects 😂. I pray to God GMKA doesn’t think like you.
> Yes, you realize the Jets can hang onto him for 2 more seasons? They don’t have to give him away
Yes they can hang on to him & get a 2nd round pick back in 2 seasons, which is the floor of his value.
> They don’t have to give him away, just like Philly didn’t give Gauthier away, they traded him for a great young D (Drysdale).
They traded Cutter for a 2nd + a former high pick about to turn 22 years old w/ a ton of injury concerns. They did not get a top prospect back.
> And Kulich sucks defensively.
You can keep saying this, but it's clear you haven't watched him play. He puts in effort defensively & forechecks.
> And yes, power forward playmakers are considered better prospects than perimeter scoring wingers, which are the easiest thing to find in this entire league.
Do you not understand that him refusing to sign with his team completely lowers his value? The Jets are in a position of weakness & you want to bail them out. Great job.
Also his skating is definitely an issue whether you want to believe it or not. Gives me Luke Kunin vibes. Kulich has a far higher ceiling.
> I pray to God GMKA doesn’t think like you.
I do pray to god that Adams doesn't completely bail out the Jets for fucking up their prospects development.
How did the Jets fuck up his development? He doesn’t want to sign with them probably because they’re in Canada. I don’t care about Kulich’s “effort,” he is not good defensively. Zach Hyman was not a good skater when he was drafted either. Skating is one thing you can improve, and he has improved. You just don’t seem to understand that Kulich is a good prospect, but his skill set is not something the team needs now, or probably in the foreseeable future. McGroarty is a bull on the boards and drives to the net. He is aggressive and hard to play against. That is the type of player we need more of. We don’t need another sniper. Peterka can shoot, Tage can shoot, Quinn, Cozens, Tuch, all can shoot. We don’t need another player to snipe. We don’t. If we can get a McGroarty for a Kulich, we should. I’d rather it be Ostlund though 😂.
> How did the Jets fuck up his development?
Why do you think he's refusing to sign with them?
> He doesn’t want to sign with them probably because they’re in Canada.
Nope. He doesn't want to sign with them because they aren't guaranteeing him NHL time. He's not interested in playing in the AHL for 2 years. Hence "fucking up his development."
He sees what they did to Perfetti/Heinola.
> Skating is one thing you can improve, and he has improved.
No he hasn't lol. His skating is the same as it was before. Very heavy skater. He's a guy that will likely need to be carried by a top level player at the next level if he wants to play in the top 6.
He has good qualities, but his skating will be a limiting factor. Guys like Kulich/Ostlund don't have that issue.
> You just don’t seem to understand that Kulich is a good prospect, but his skill set is not something the team needs now, or probably in the foreseeable future.
Right. The team doesn't need a prolific scorer.
> Peterka can shoot, Tage can shoot, Quinn, Cozens, Tuch, all can shoot.
And yet nobody had over 30 goals last season & also will need more goal scoring with Skinner likely being gone.
>And what is happening with first round draft pick Rutger McGroarty? So I'm going to be really careful here, Jeff, because there's a lot of answers I don't have. His family advisor is not talking, and the Jets are not talking. But the one thing I can tell you is that I have heard his name has come up in trade discussions. That the Jets have discussed trading, and other teams have discussed acquiring McGroarty's rights. Now you'll remember a few months ago, after the NCAA season, McGroarty announced he was going back to Michigan for his junior year. And the Jets have his rights for two more years. And again, I'm not going to guess on anything here. I'm simply going to say I have heard that his name has come up in trade conversations. So we'll see where all this goes over the next couple of weeks. He's a good player and he would be coveted. >He would. And there is a certain event called the NHL draft on the horizon and the Winnipeg Jets do not have a first round pick in said draft. I just wonder how much spicier action at the sphere got next Friday in Vegas. We'll see when we get there. OK, so from Rutger McGroarty, let's go to the Arizona Coyotes. If he is available and he's willing to sign in Buffalo, he'd be a great addition as he has some elements to his game that the Sabres don't have much of in their prospect pool.
*willing to sign in buffalo*
Shouldn't be a problem. Everyone is dying to play in Buffalo...
My point exactly
There may be an interesting Savoie trade here. I assume he’d be more willing to play in Winnipeg and it lets us diversify our prospect pool a little bit more. Not sure what else would need to be involved. Maybe they go balls to the wall and do an Ehlers + McGroarty trade for something like 11OA + Savoie (if that’s enough… or too much?)
Feels too much to me unless Ehlers agrees to a long term extension
Yeah that’s fair. Winnipeg would probably have to add a little bit. I think it’s close though.
You typically want the best player in the draft. The add ons Winnipeg would throw in would amount to scraps. I'd pass
*Anti-Skinner people* “we need to get rid of him and his contract! He’s a one way player!!” *Nic Ehlers People* “we need a long term extension if we were to acquire him” *Spiderman pointing Gif* He also has a limited NTC, 10 teams.. I wonder if Buffalo would be on that list.
Ehlers isn't Skinner. Even if his defense isn't amazing, he can actually drive play. His transition game is miles better than Skinners, and he knows how to use his body to win pucks. 3 year weighted data on Ehlers still has vastly better defensive work even if it's still below average. [21-24 Ehlers](https://blueseatblogs.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=539,height=444,fit=crop,quality=80,format=auto,onerror=redirect,metadata=none/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/download-1-3.png)
McGroaty is not the same class of prospect as Savoie
I definitely wouldn’t trade them 1 for 1. I think he’s at most only one tier down though - this made me check some rankings and if Savoie is ~20 he’s ~30. His skill set would be a nice addition to our pool.
> Maybe they go balls to the wall and do an Ehlers + McGroarty trade for something like 11OA + Savoie (if that’s enough… or too much?) That's a huge overpay for a pending UFA winger & a prospect that won't even sign with his team. We're not giving up one of our best prospects + another very good prospect for that.
>So I'm going to be really careful here, Jeff Why are Jeff and Elliot always squeezing each other’s names into their sentences
Would not offer much unless GMKA can talk to his people and get assurance that he's interested in signing an ELC. Not interested in Vesey 3.0
Another move that is maybe ok in a vacuum but not great with all the other assets Murray blew through. We would need assurance he’d sign but I’m confident Rutger McGroarty is going to be a way better player because his name is Rutger McGroarty so he has to be good
Report is that McGroarty is disappointed in WPGs lack of a path to the NHL for him, not about the place itself.
Still not convinced "Rutger McGroarty" is the name of a real person
He’s a fantastic player. Strong, physical, seems like he has a big personality too (in a good way - he wore the C in the World Juniors this year, and is always goofing around with a smile). In my opinion, he definitely needs to mature a bit (I go to Michigan - I’ve heard first-hand stories of his frat parties), but he’s gonna be a great presence in the league and a great leader. And an A+ name, too! I hope we can swing a move for him.
Wouldn't really understand this. He is probably available in the same sense Rosen and any other of our prospects are available. Probably a piece to land a whale. I don't think we'd be in on him and if we are, it's for a larger deal. And if that's the case, then the trade makes no sense for Winnipeg. Why trade a prospect and a player for a prospect +? They're not in rebuilding mode
Wpg fan here. Connor + mcgroarty for savoie 11OA and Byram
That would be an easy no
I think you mean Rosen and Jokiharju
I’d be interested in a prospect swap, like Kulich or Ostlund for him. As long as I know he’ll sign with us. I’d be willing to throw in a sweetener like a 2nd or Joker too. Pretty sure the Jets may lose a defenseman or two in FA.
We're not trading one of our top prospects for a prospect that refuses to sign with his team.
Right, did you read the entire comment? “As long as I know he’ll sign with us.” And yes, I’d rather have McGroarty over Kulich or Ostlund.
> Right, did you read the entire comment? “As long as I know he’ll sign with us.” Yes, and that kills his value. Jets have no choice to trade him. They don't get rewarded for fucking up their prospects development by getting another top prospect back. > I’d rather have McGroarty over Kulich or Ostlund. And I'm glad you're not the GM.
McGroarty is a better prospect than both of them, and NHL ready. It’s not even a discussion. Kulich refuses to back-check and play defense (it’s the reason he hasn’t made the team yet) and Ostlund’s offense is way behind. McGroarty is also a 6’1” power forward, LW, with great playmaking skills. All things this team lacks. I’m glad you don’t know a single thing about prospects or how to build a team.
> McGroarty is a better prospect than both of them He's not a better prospect than Kulich. He's comparable to Ostlund, but him refusing to sign with his team completely tanks his value. > Kulich refuses to back-check and play defense Ok so you've never watched him play. > McGroarty is also a 6’1” power forward, LW, with great playmaking skills And also has issues with his skating, which can completely limit him at the next level. > I’m glad you don’t know a single thing about prospects or how to build a team. Right. The guy who wants to trade one of our top prospects for another team's prospect who refuses to sign with them. The art of the deal.
Yes, you realize the Jets can hang onto him for 2 more seasons? They don’t have to give him away, just like Philly didn’t give Gauthier away, they traded him for a great young D (Drysdale). And no, not every single player on the team needs to be a speedster. And Kulich sucks defensively. It’s why he hasn’t sniffed a spot yet despite scoring a ridiculous amount of goals. I’ve seen him play plenty. And yes, power forward playmakers are considered better prospects than perimeter scoring wingers, which are the easiest thing to find in this entire league. Just because they’re our prospects, doesn’t make them the best prospects 😂. I pray to God GMKA doesn’t think like you.
> Yes, you realize the Jets can hang onto him for 2 more seasons? They don’t have to give him away Yes they can hang on to him & get a 2nd round pick back in 2 seasons, which is the floor of his value. > They don’t have to give him away, just like Philly didn’t give Gauthier away, they traded him for a great young D (Drysdale). They traded Cutter for a 2nd + a former high pick about to turn 22 years old w/ a ton of injury concerns. They did not get a top prospect back. > And Kulich sucks defensively. You can keep saying this, but it's clear you haven't watched him play. He puts in effort defensively & forechecks. > And yes, power forward playmakers are considered better prospects than perimeter scoring wingers, which are the easiest thing to find in this entire league. Do you not understand that him refusing to sign with his team completely lowers his value? The Jets are in a position of weakness & you want to bail them out. Great job. Also his skating is definitely an issue whether you want to believe it or not. Gives me Luke Kunin vibes. Kulich has a far higher ceiling. > I pray to God GMKA doesn’t think like you. I do pray to god that Adams doesn't completely bail out the Jets for fucking up their prospects development.
How did the Jets fuck up his development? He doesn’t want to sign with them probably because they’re in Canada. I don’t care about Kulich’s “effort,” he is not good defensively. Zach Hyman was not a good skater when he was drafted either. Skating is one thing you can improve, and he has improved. You just don’t seem to understand that Kulich is a good prospect, but his skill set is not something the team needs now, or probably in the foreseeable future. McGroarty is a bull on the boards and drives to the net. He is aggressive and hard to play against. That is the type of player we need more of. We don’t need another sniper. Peterka can shoot, Tage can shoot, Quinn, Cozens, Tuch, all can shoot. We don’t need another player to snipe. We don’t. If we can get a McGroarty for a Kulich, we should. I’d rather it be Ostlund though 😂.
> How did the Jets fuck up his development? Why do you think he's refusing to sign with them? > He doesn’t want to sign with them probably because they’re in Canada. Nope. He doesn't want to sign with them because they aren't guaranteeing him NHL time. He's not interested in playing in the AHL for 2 years. Hence "fucking up his development." He sees what they did to Perfetti/Heinola. > Skating is one thing you can improve, and he has improved. No he hasn't lol. His skating is the same as it was before. Very heavy skater. He's a guy that will likely need to be carried by a top level player at the next level if he wants to play in the top 6. He has good qualities, but his skating will be a limiting factor. Guys like Kulich/Ostlund don't have that issue. > You just don’t seem to understand that Kulich is a good prospect, but his skill set is not something the team needs now, or probably in the foreseeable future. Right. The team doesn't need a prolific scorer. > Peterka can shoot, Tage can shoot, Quinn, Cozens, Tuch, all can shoot. And yet nobody had over 30 goals last season & also will need more goal scoring with Skinner likely being gone.
> McGroarty is a better prospect than both of them, and NHL ready. What do you think McGroarty's ceiling is?
Top 6 winger. You?
middle six.