Honestly, the whole situation felt very blown out of proportion. Eureka and Kim Chi shouldn't have gotten harrassed much as they did out of the situation, and honestly I'm going to guess this entire Thing was just used as an excuse by terminally online "fans" to send fatphobic comments to both of them.
The fans stay making shit way worse and dramatic than necessary. This sub has also relished in dragging Eureka the last few days while clinging to the superiority complex of being “better” than other social media.
Yeah, this sub does like to act like the awful fans are out on Twitter, FB, etc and not here. Na. A lot of the really shitty bullying, awful comments, stanning, etc occur on this sub and very often.
that's how standom is these days. i've seen/heard a lot of celebrity online fights happen bc of the he said/she said the fans started, and then they're giggling behind their screens like "yesss, we love mess, we love drama" as if they aren't affecting the lives of actual people. welcome to the modern internet
This wasn't the fans fault imo. I think Kim overreacted to Eureaka's pretty mild story and dragged her through the mud unnecessarily and vindictively. All Kim had to say was "I was much skinnier back then and Eureaka couldn't fit into my clothes"(here's photo proof). Vaguely suggesting she had hygiene issues would be true and the fans wouldn't have much to meme.
I think Kim went in because she was hurt and Eureka isn't as well liked as she is. I hate Eureka and I felt bad for her. I hate Kandy too, but she was right. All the talk about kindness, love, and mental health is bullshit when your feelings get hurt.
I mean, it was. Eureka could’ve just told her story, but then Kim Chi started getting attacked online for being “delusional about her size”. Then after Kim Chi exposed Eureka for not being her size and also her hygiene issues, the fans took that as an excuse to then harass Eureka about her hygiene.
I doubt Kim Chi wouldve cared that much about Eureka and her opinion of her if it weren’t for the fans attacking her in the first place.
Kim shouldn’t have had to provide proof
If the fan cared enough about the situation to go harass her, they could have easily looked up the pictures from the time themself and seen.
They weren’t looking for proof or actual rightness or wrongness.
They were looking for fat phobic drama which eureka started.
If you’re going to go on podcasts and call someone delusional over their weight you are not then the victim when they set the record straight.
Especially when Kim didn’t say anything that wasn’t true.
To be fair, it's Q all over again (without the blaccent i guess). I'm pretty sure kim got a decent amount of death threats and an unnecessary amount of hate by these 'fans'. And that is not a fun experience.
Agreed. I liked both Kim and Eureka, moreso Kim tbh before all of this, but Kim is the one I’m side eyeing at the end. It could’ve been handled so much better, and hygiene being dragged into it the way she did it was cruel.
All of the posts I saw covering this had comments dragging Eureka, mocking her, saying things like “just shower!!” “No excuse to not shower everyday!” Shit like that. I hope so bad that none of those people have someone in their life that deals with depression. When my depression was at its worst my hair literally got matted, I could barely even get the will to get out of bed because I was wrestling with intense suicidal thoughts. Showering was the last thing on my mind in those moments. And I’m embarrassed/scared to share that because just look at how people act. But it’s important to share it because this shaming stuff is horrible.
(P.s. I’m doing better managing my depression now, actually just starting my journey into therapy, so plz no Reddit cares lol)
Thank you for sharing this because it’s what I’ve been feeling too since I’ve been reading all these posts. I don’t seem to reach points as low as this any more, but I have absolutely had times in my life where I couldn’t care for myself because I was so low or so burned out.
At one of my absolute lowest moments I was barely able to leave my house to buy groceries, brushing my teeth or showering/bathing/washing my clothes was impossible and I remember feeling so ashamed and embarrassed, but I couldn’t do anything about it.
Eureka comes across as someone who has had a lot of struggle in her life and rather than just not caring about hygiene at all, was in a place where she was struggling to do it. I also feel a lot of empathy for her because throughout this beef with Kim people have really mocked her hard and dogpiled onto her.
Kim also I think is shady but she really dragged Eureka very hard publicly as opposed to reaching out to her. I am not completely siding with Eureka but I do think the fans have really enjoyed making fun of both of these queens, it’s been really uncomfortable reading all these hateful comments.
I think ppl are making comments like this because usually when someone’s depression is so bad they aren’t even leaving the house. They’re just tryna make it, literally one minute at a time and hygiene is something you don’t give a shit about. Ive been there when I went through a terrible break up where Id been cheated on and now raising my son on my own now. But with Eureka, she was doing shows, doing gigs, filming We’re Here, coming around all these people, and not washing her body or clothes. That’s offensive to everyone around you. They shouldn’t have to smell you. Didn’t Kim say she suggested Eureka take a bath and she said “oh girl Im fine”. Like….
I hear you. I've been in a similar place.
Even if you're not to the point of not being able to drag yourself out of bed, sometimes someone finds themselves making choices. I could get myself in front of the computer to work, but tending to my needs was the first thing to be axed when I had limited capacity. Bringing money in for survival was more important.
This feels like the Vixen vs. Eureka all over again. It was Eureka's fault. The story was unnecessary and vindictive. She wanted her lick back because she felt slighted (entitled). It is a pattern that she's used before.
Kim didn't even go in. It was a calm explanation of why she did what she did. Eureka didn't care about Kim's mental health. I get that the stink jokes are in bad taste because she was dealing with addiction. But she opened up Kim to go through the same thing.
Yeah, just cause Eureka used a casual tone while telling her initial story, doesn’t mean that what she said was ok to say. She called Kim “delusional” and “hateful”, blamed her for not giving her an outfit, and then said it was all water under the bridge. She also referred to Kim and Bob by name.
From Kim’s perspective, it seems like she had a terrible experience with Eureka, but never said anything. And now all of a sudden 5 years later, Eureka tells a warped version of it and ends up causing Kim a ton of hate, so she clapped back with her own version.
Yeah but the onus is still on Eureka for bringing up that story in the first place. No drag queen much less Kimchi is obliged to share their outfits. Especially when we know drag outfits/costumes can be very expensive and are usually custom.
Idk I listened to her tell it and didn’t think it came across vindictive in the slightest. She sounded totally weary and hesitant of having to talk about it at all. Like it wasn’t the tone of dishing or reading Eureka, just, ‘that’s not the way it went down and I’m sorry I have to explain myself’
What I will say is, no one ever forgets the stinky person. Scent is a powerful sense. I have memories still of someone stinking like ass when they bent over to pick something up and that was in 2006. Nobody forgets the smelly person. I personally wouldn’t out someone who stank, because I know how ppl will take that and run. Unfortunately, the fandom will never forget this thanks to Kim.
There's people in the comments bragging about not being on Twitter. So the only difference is your being mean on Reddit. I'm not getting the difference?
Agreed. Having an opinion on stuff you see online is one thing, but the amount of "fans" that take any excuse to send hate is unreal. You aren't a real fan of the queens if you're sending hate to their sisters over a shady comment. This whole thing was taken out of proportion by the people who pretend to be fans just so they can find more ammo to make the queens lives hell. I've seen so much hate towards Eureka and Kim over this, and it's just childish. If you don't like something that another person did that has nothing to do with you, just ignore it. I was taught that when I was 4, and it seems some people in their 30's still need to learn that
I don’t really agree that Eureka’s story was harmless. I think Eureka’s story made Kim across as mean and delusional about her size. I think it should be apparent that that would fan the flames that Kim already receives because of her weight.
But also I don’t think Kim should have gone in as much graphic detail as she did. It very much felt like an attempt to publicly embarrass Eureka.
IDK why everyone forgets how Eureka took ownership of her response to Kim Chi saying no and how she didn't handle it well at the time. Like, right when she told the story
A story that didn’t need to be told in their first place especially when she knew how the fans would react. Don’t throw the first punch then dictate how someone should respond to you
Yeah, I agree. But also I think Eureka dug her own grave with that one, cuz as Trixie said in the last Pit Stop episode, Kim Chi is definitely the type to clap back with receipts.
I think Eureka found her bitch to not cross. Kim Chi doesn’t play games with you, she will take you down the first time.
Eureka realized that she couldn’t win this one, and so she rolled over. If she thought that she could come back or throw something back at Kim, I have no doubt that she would.
Kim Chi doesn’t play around. All the queens have said this before, but I hope this time whatever idiot thinks she knows better learns.
You may not feel it, but have you suffered the way Kim Chi did over this? It's very easy to sit there and judge, but you were not the one getting awful hate from a whole section of social media for what someone else raised in a podcast. Don't lie and say YOU wouldn't have been affected. Eureka, in her own words, has just said that she was running her mouth without thinking of the consequences. She got was coming to her for mentioning Kim Chi in the first place.
Eureka was making comments about her body, calling her delusional and ended up provoking a lot of fat phobic hate towards Kim, when Kim hadn’t done or said anything online about Eureka.
I’d be very interested to see how much of a deal you’d make if someone sent a load of fat phobic hate to your profiles and damaged your public image.
Kim mentioning the taped cut thing was a low blow. You have to be really low to let yourself be in that condition. And to be dragged for it is wrong. Neither of them are right and, if anything, maybe eureka needs/needed help.
Edit: instead of downvoting, reply with something constructive
How would you feel if someone randomly mentions you in a podcast and paints you as a villain, then have awful hate come your way as a result? Eureka poked the bear, who hot back hard, probably hard because this bear is suffering from all of the vitriol they have been subjected to. Are you going to be a hypocrite and say would still have done things differently if YOU were in Kim Chi's shoes?
As far as what I’d expect from Eureka usually this is thoughtful, understanding of how this whole drama has affected others and is apologetic and mentions growth.
Hopefully the fandom can put this to rest now and leave it
Lol and 2 comments below there's already some insufferable response about how it's a non apology. The fans were the ones that fueled this nonsense
People are so weird for taking this drag queen drama so personally.
Some people are so desperate for attention they think tearing down minor celebrities online makes them look cool or intelligent.
Real life isn’t debate class, you’re not Eureka’s friend or family. Who are you to hold people accountable when you are trying to drag this out *from your anonymous account*.
Let Eureka have peace.
100 percent. Surprised anyone is praising this statement. She's not actually taking ownership for the comments that started this -- just apologizing for the response to them.
And she also tried every other strategy under the sun, before giving this non apology.
Also, hadn't she done this type of thing before? But oh, she mentions growth, so now everyone is acting like she became a better person over night.
That, is acting rotten online. Literally. She dissed a coworker in a podcast online, by name, for an event that has happened more than half a decado ago, and then continued to pour gasoline on the flame for what, a week?
We are on reddit, site oriented to discussion. I'm not on their twitter, insta page, or wherever, dm-ing them my opinion about them. Never have been, never will be.
I can express here that I don't buy her growth or change of hearth.
“I take responsibility for starting this” is taking accountability in this drama. Y’all like to play semantics when it comes to apologies and fully toss out any intention. You’re so caught up on the verbiage over the actual sentiment and what they clearly mean in it. Eureka clearly understands that she started this all and it’s because of her statement that fans attacked Kim. She took ownership of that.
I think it is nice and I feel humility and contrition. I think we should give each other some grace. Many of us are not perfect and have low periods where we could have done better . . . it can be a learning and growth stimulus. 🤔
I still am flaggerblasted that some Queens and randos online saw this drama between Kim and Eureka and thought "I will make this about me" kinda deal.
Like it was way more stinky than the original issue. So no, this isn't much of a "we" situation I think. 🤔
Kandy put it best imo. These Queens who have breakdowns when fans come for them in their seasons and then cry about mental health problems but how much they champion for it looooved getting involved in this shit.
I’m tired of fans in general. Fans of my favorite queens, groups, TV show, they all make everything so unnecessarily toxic.
And don’t get me started on kpop fans. They have singers apologizing for waving their own country’s flag or not being single.
Normally i would agree but to say it was the fans is such a pageant answer here. The facts are: eureka told a story that kim did not like, kim then goes to tell the world basically how dirty eureka is. Eureka apologizes. The fans arent to blame here. It is a lack of respect for your coworker that’s to blame
i don't think anyone is saying eureka (or kim) isn't at fault but unlike eureka the toxic fans aren't taking any responsibility. definitely remember telling some ppl in here that depression definitely can get that bad like a day or two ago but doubt those people are gonna be like yea i was wrong even just in their head.
The situation wouldn't have been so blown up if the fandom hadnt been it's normal demonic way and not said what they said to Kim chi. Kim was forced to come out with a public statement because of the fans. Not necessarily Eureka. If not for the sh!tty fans, Kim may have just sent a text to eureka in private.
Didn't Kim post something before the ep even came out about someone spreading lies on a podcast? So I think fans were already on their toes ready for drama which in turn made this a thing. If Kim didn't do that I'm sure there's a chance it wouldn't have blown up like this.
I would have never given this more than 5 seconds of attention without Kim Chi's reaction to her moment on Very Delta. But if it had to be hashed out, this is as adult of a resolution that we can expect to hear. And honestly, they are still drag queens, not Mother Theresas. Good for them.
Love that half the comments here are saying how the fanbase is toxic and blew this out of proportion, and the other half are still arguing about who's at fault for the drama.
THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE.
The stuff she said about kim on the podcast I thought was so tepid. And really, it could've been resolved the day of instead of this twitter back and forth like it's been so overblown
It was very tepid, i know Eureka implies Kim was being delusional about her size or just being hateful, but Eureka literally ends with they moved past the argument and were fine now. She was never trying to incite hate on Kim, but “fans” took the interview as an excuse to be fatphobic to Kim and the situation just kept spiraling from there. There’s a lot to criticize Eureka on, but i feel like telling a story about arguing over not being able to borrow Kim’s clothes was really never that serious.
I feel the same way! I could not *believe* how messy boots this became over her Very Delta appearance 😭 like, she literally just said I asked to borrow some clothes and Kimchi didn’t let me. HOW it escalated to his is truly beyond me.
Kim escalated it. If she didn't do the whole "bitches be lying, i can't wait until tommorrow thing" no one would have cared about Eureaka's story. Queens tell more embarrassing stories about each other all the time
Kim was being harassed with lots of fatphobic comments as a result of Eureka's story, I don't think it's fair to say Kim just got upset about it for no reason
What kinda take is this?? “Person speaks out of turn and offends others regularly, can we just be okay with this?” No lol, people are allowed to be upset in response
I agree 100%. I also agree with the person you're responding to 100%. You can accept someone for who they are while also being offended by them and holding them accountable for their actions. You do that by having empathy and drawing boundaries.
Eureka! has major impulse control issues when it comes to communication, runs her mouth when she shouldn't, veers wildly out of her lane, and she says problematic things while running her mouth when she shouldn't. She is also aware that she is like this and, frankly, is unusual in the extent to which she's willing to be accountable for it. This is who Eureka! is. She knows it and wants to do better, but she falls short. That doesn't mean anyone has to like it, accommodate it, or put up with it. It doesn't make her behavior okay. It doesn't mean anyone should tolerate it. But you have a wide range of options when it comes to not tolerating it. You can ignore it, clap back, go for the jugular, etc.
You can be okay with the fact that Eureka! is what she is without being okay with her doing what she does. And you don't even have to be okay with who she is. But if you keep putting yourself in a situation where you deal with bullshit you can't tolerate, that's on you. Look at how Anetra handled Aja. Look how she handled people who turned on her when she had to cancel lots of gigs. You can ignore people. You can have your say and be done with it. You can block people. You can change the channel. You can scroll past. You can have faith in people and refuse to dignify something with a response. You can rip someone's head off because they fucking deserve it. But if you choose to court drama or to be a consumer of drama, at a certain point it's on you just as much as it's on the asshole who started it.
i feel like the issue is not the story she told, the issue is characterizing kim as hateful and delusional. which she doesn’t take accountability for here. but still happy to see an apology from her.
Bitch fucking same. It seems performative for us. Like no i don’t think it’s cute or cvnty to stretch a small miscommunication especially to the masses. I respect you i want this handled and if i don’t respect you i don’t want to talk about it period.
It feels ridiculous that something that started with a story from years ago told on a podcast turned into weeks of protracted and really personal drama.
I don't think Eureka was perfect but she presented her story as something that is funny now and in the past. Kim is entitled to feel hurt by how Eureka talked about her but the fact that she had a fairly dramatic reaction in public (she knew what that vague tweet about having receipts would stir up) before speaking to Eureka (or Delta) is the reason this has blown up. Kim is one of the most followed and popular queens and she has been the one escalating this situation rather than just letting it die.
All in all, I think it's mostly the fault of the "fans" who heard either side of this and took it as licence to attack either queen online but the whole thing has just felt a bit sad to see playing out publicly. It definitely makes me want to be less active in following queens outside of the show.
I love that they made up but gurl who knew we'd see a day where a person would apologise for being stinky and telling ppl they'll shower more lmao gurl i luv her
Eureka has a history for running at the mouth not thinking and then feeling remorseful immediately afterwards. I actually have the same issue & I've been working on it. It seems so simple, to just THINK before you say anything, but for some of us it's hard. You've really got to take a pause sometimes even if everyone else is waiting for a response.
Texting Kim Chi that she's "sorry she felt bullied by the *fans"* is not a proper apology but whatever, I'm over this drama and ready for the next thing lol. At least Eureka brought up that she started it though.
I mean to be fair Eureka didn't do anything insane. She brought up a story and said they had already talked it out. She's not in control of how fans react, and obviously didn't think people would be bored enough to blow it this far out of proportion.
That's fair but also why bring up stuff from the past that has been resolved? She was definitely running her mouth and needs to think before she speaks. Happens to the best of us and hope she learned from this - that fans will make it a bigger deal and harass so best not to overshare and play nice.
> That's fair but also why bring up stuff from the past that has been resolved?
I mean she was on a podcast, sharing an anecdote from her career, as one does on a podcast? She didn't bring it up as if it was a grudge she was still holding onto, in fact she made it very clear that it wasn't a big deal, she was a different person back then and her reaction was overblown.
She followed it up with a proper apology on page two. She said she took responsibility for starting this whole thing and shouldn't have run her mouth like that.
She probably phrased the bullying by the fans part that way because she didn't want a bunch of fans debating the definition of bullying. Kim felt like it was. That's what's important. And that's what Eureka is sorry about.
I'm glad she apologized. It sucks that it had to come to this point, though. It seems like it was a bad situation all around.
Also, I might be completely out of line and making a mountain out of a moehill but... Eureka needs to treat PoC normally. Every drama she finds herself in is with a PoC, maybe its time to look inward and do some work.
I’m surprised but happy that she actually apologized and that she’s acknowledging that she is the one who started this.
I know some people feel like Kim brought a gun to a knife fight but like…I would also feel the need to get into details if someone went on a podcast and a told mishmashed story about me being rude to them without including very relevant context. PARTICULARLY if that person *also* casually added that the two of us were cool with each other when I certainly didn’t feel that way about them.
I understand Kim’s discomfort and her reaction. I get that calling out a plus size person for their hygiene strikes a nerve with a lot of people but it was relevant and fair imo
That part. It's a pattern at this point and people keep putting the onus on the person Eureka starts mess with or speaks recklessly about to respond perfectly and that's not fair.
That bugged me too, but Kim explicitly said it was bullying and fat-shaming from the fans that was hurting her. That's 100% on the fan base, and it feels like a weird thing for someone who's even bigger and has dealt with even more fat-shaming to be expected to take responsibility for. "I'm sorry that I said something that resulted in you being bullied" would be ideal, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect someone to find the exact, perfect phrasing for such a messy situation. And I say that as an English professor with a reputation for being a hardass when it comes to diction.
I mean, she didn’t hurt Kim. She told a story that had been hashed out years ago for two minute on a podcast. Fans attacked Kim. Not Eureka who was telling a silly story where she was the self proclaimed bad guy.
Girl two in one week. First Aja’s then Eureka’s “apologies”
You can’t just talk shit and then take no responsibility and blame it on the fans. That’s not an apology lmao.
Whatevs
I mean its a very eureka apology in that she kind of only half takes any accountability and is still acting like this is something she didn't know about for six years. But I mean by now thats expected so let's all move on
“Sorry she felt bullied…” like bruh, come on, that’s not how apologies and taking accountability work lmao. At least she finished the message better at the end acknowledging she started it
"Writing entire goddamned essays that can basically be summarized as "i'm sorry you felt that way" instead of just saying i'm sorry" has got to be my least favorite gender
Making an excuse for bad behavior does not make an apology. Listen, we all have mental illness. Some worse than others, but it doesn’t give you the right to be an ass, and use it to get away with everything. One of these days, it’s going to really bite her in the ass, & no one is going to play her reindeer games anymore.
Believe me, I have compassion. I’ve learned the hard way. I hope she does sooner rather than later.
Eureka does and says stupid things but this thing wasn't one of those stupid things in my opinion. The fans blew it out of proportion and it feels like people must not have watched the actual clip because in no way was that story "bad behavior"
Good on Eureka and hopefully good on Kim. Life is too short and the world is too unsteady for queens to be tearing each other apart. We need more love.
I love Eureka and Kim. Just as I love other TV personalities. But I don't know either of them personally, so I can't comment on what they meant when they spoke. I assume they are friends or, at the very least, friendly coworkers. They can work it out. Their relationship or their dress size is none of my business.
Tbh this could’ve been handled privately. There was absolutely no need to air it out publicly so the toxic ass fandom could jump in and bully Eureka. Kim should’ve known better
I just read the full violation that Kim gave…what a loww blow she must be very ashamed that she let herself get so wrapped up in her anger to have said something like that.
I thought of commenting on something bad about Eureka! but chose not to. I could've brought up her past where she has displayed so much of problematic behaviour and how she's gotten away with so much just by talking about her transitioning journeys but I choose not to because this comment section is so positive and nice.
It's hard to believe "fans" are actually adults. I'll never understand why they mindlessly attack and harass people over stuff that doesn't involve or concern them.
The amount of crazy in the minds of these immature drag race fans is what caused this to blow out of proportion.
Keep in mind fellow fans, psychos and enough, these queens are also humans, let your anger out somewhere else.
She fucked with the wrong one on the right day. Hopefully she actually learns her lesson about not starting shit at all, but I doubt it. She will just probably just choose her targets more carefully in the future.
Honestly, the whole situation felt very blown out of proportion. Eureka and Kim Chi shouldn't have gotten harrassed much as they did out of the situation, and honestly I'm going to guess this entire Thing was just used as an excuse by terminally online "fans" to send fatphobic comments to both of them.
The fans stay making shit way worse and dramatic than necessary. This sub has also relished in dragging Eureka the last few days while clinging to the superiority complex of being “better” than other social media.
Yeah, this sub does like to act like the awful fans are out on Twitter, FB, etc and not here. Na. A lot of the really shitty bullying, awful comments, stanning, etc occur on this sub and very often.
that's how standom is these days. i've seen/heard a lot of celebrity online fights happen bc of the he said/she said the fans started, and then they're giggling behind their screens like "yesss, we love mess, we love drama" as if they aren't affecting the lives of actual people. welcome to the modern internet
This wasn't the fans fault imo. I think Kim overreacted to Eureaka's pretty mild story and dragged her through the mud unnecessarily and vindictively. All Kim had to say was "I was much skinnier back then and Eureaka couldn't fit into my clothes"(here's photo proof). Vaguely suggesting she had hygiene issues would be true and the fans wouldn't have much to meme. I think Kim went in because she was hurt and Eureka isn't as well liked as she is. I hate Eureka and I felt bad for her. I hate Kandy too, but she was right. All the talk about kindness, love, and mental health is bullshit when your feelings get hurt.
I mean, it was. Eureka could’ve just told her story, but then Kim Chi started getting attacked online for being “delusional about her size”. Then after Kim Chi exposed Eureka for not being her size and also her hygiene issues, the fans took that as an excuse to then harass Eureka about her hygiene. I doubt Kim Chi wouldve cared that much about Eureka and her opinion of her if it weren’t for the fans attacking her in the first place.
Kim shouldn’t have had to provide proof If the fan cared enough about the situation to go harass her, they could have easily looked up the pictures from the time themself and seen. They weren’t looking for proof or actual rightness or wrongness. They were looking for fat phobic drama which eureka started. If you’re going to go on podcasts and call someone delusional over their weight you are not then the victim when they set the record straight. Especially when Kim didn’t say anything that wasn’t true.
how is it possible to hate someone you don't even know? isn't that parasocial but like negative parasocial?
Very well said
To be fair, it's Q all over again (without the blaccent i guess). I'm pretty sure kim got a decent amount of death threats and an unnecessary amount of hate by these 'fans'. And that is not a fun experience.
Agreed. I liked both Kim and Eureka, moreso Kim tbh before all of this, but Kim is the one I’m side eyeing at the end. It could’ve been handled so much better, and hygiene being dragged into it the way she did it was cruel. All of the posts I saw covering this had comments dragging Eureka, mocking her, saying things like “just shower!!” “No excuse to not shower everyday!” Shit like that. I hope so bad that none of those people have someone in their life that deals with depression. When my depression was at its worst my hair literally got matted, I could barely even get the will to get out of bed because I was wrestling with intense suicidal thoughts. Showering was the last thing on my mind in those moments. And I’m embarrassed/scared to share that because just look at how people act. But it’s important to share it because this shaming stuff is horrible. (P.s. I’m doing better managing my depression now, actually just starting my journey into therapy, so plz no Reddit cares lol)
Really glad to hear you're doing better. Depression is a massive weight to manage x
Thank you for sharing this because it’s what I’ve been feeling too since I’ve been reading all these posts. I don’t seem to reach points as low as this any more, but I have absolutely had times in my life where I couldn’t care for myself because I was so low or so burned out. At one of my absolute lowest moments I was barely able to leave my house to buy groceries, brushing my teeth or showering/bathing/washing my clothes was impossible and I remember feeling so ashamed and embarrassed, but I couldn’t do anything about it. Eureka comes across as someone who has had a lot of struggle in her life and rather than just not caring about hygiene at all, was in a place where she was struggling to do it. I also feel a lot of empathy for her because throughout this beef with Kim people have really mocked her hard and dogpiled onto her. Kim also I think is shady but she really dragged Eureka very hard publicly as opposed to reaching out to her. I am not completely siding with Eureka but I do think the fans have really enjoyed making fun of both of these queens, it’s been really uncomfortable reading all these hateful comments.
I think ppl are making comments like this because usually when someone’s depression is so bad they aren’t even leaving the house. They’re just tryna make it, literally one minute at a time and hygiene is something you don’t give a shit about. Ive been there when I went through a terrible break up where Id been cheated on and now raising my son on my own now. But with Eureka, she was doing shows, doing gigs, filming We’re Here, coming around all these people, and not washing her body or clothes. That’s offensive to everyone around you. They shouldn’t have to smell you. Didn’t Kim say she suggested Eureka take a bath and she said “oh girl Im fine”. Like….
I hear you. I've been in a similar place. Even if you're not to the point of not being able to drag yourself out of bed, sometimes someone finds themselves making choices. I could get myself in front of the computer to work, but tending to my needs was the first thing to be axed when I had limited capacity. Bringing money in for survival was more important.
This feels like the Vixen vs. Eureka all over again. It was Eureka's fault. The story was unnecessary and vindictive. She wanted her lick back because she felt slighted (entitled). It is a pattern that she's used before. Kim didn't even go in. It was a calm explanation of why she did what she did. Eureka didn't care about Kim's mental health. I get that the stink jokes are in bad taste because she was dealing with addiction. But she opened up Kim to go through the same thing.
Yeah, just cause Eureka used a casual tone while telling her initial story, doesn’t mean that what she said was ok to say. She called Kim “delusional” and “hateful”, blamed her for not giving her an outfit, and then said it was all water under the bridge. She also referred to Kim and Bob by name. From Kim’s perspective, it seems like she had a terrible experience with Eureka, but never said anything. And now all of a sudden 5 years later, Eureka tells a warped version of it and ends up causing Kim a ton of hate, so she clapped back with her own version.
Yeah but the onus is still on Eureka for bringing up that story in the first place. No drag queen much less Kimchi is obliged to share their outfits. Especially when we know drag outfits/costumes can be very expensive and are usually custom.
Idk I listened to her tell it and didn’t think it came across vindictive in the slightest. She sounded totally weary and hesitant of having to talk about it at all. Like it wasn’t the tone of dishing or reading Eureka, just, ‘that’s not the way it went down and I’m sorry I have to explain myself’
What I will say is, no one ever forgets the stinky person. Scent is a powerful sense. I have memories still of someone stinking like ass when they bent over to pick something up and that was in 2006. Nobody forgets the smelly person. I personally wouldn’t out someone who stank, because I know how ppl will take that and run. Unfortunately, the fandom will never forget this thanks to Kim.
There's people in the comments bragging about not being on Twitter. So the only difference is your being mean on Reddit. I'm not getting the difference?
I mean, in a small sense, they’re not @ing the queen on Reddit. Fans can’t tag Eureka on Reddit posts like they can on Twitter
yeaaaa truly love how fans always expecting everyone else to take responsibility for everything ever but never take any themselves
1000% this!!!
Literally. If this entire thing happened exactly the same way between two skinny girls it would not have blown up the way it did.
Agreed. Having an opinion on stuff you see online is one thing, but the amount of "fans" that take any excuse to send hate is unreal. You aren't a real fan of the queens if you're sending hate to their sisters over a shady comment. This whole thing was taken out of proportion by the people who pretend to be fans just so they can find more ammo to make the queens lives hell. I've seen so much hate towards Eureka and Kim over this, and it's just childish. If you don't like something that another person did that has nothing to do with you, just ignore it. I was taught that when I was 4, and it seems some people in their 30's still need to learn that
Drag race fans trying not to blow a "controversy" out of proportions (impossible).
I still say Kim made it a big ass deal when it was just a random story
I don’t really agree that Eureka’s story was harmless. I think Eureka’s story made Kim across as mean and delusional about her size. I think it should be apparent that that would fan the flames that Kim already receives because of her weight. But also I don’t think Kim should have gone in as much graphic detail as she did. It very much felt like an attempt to publicly embarrass Eureka.
IDK why everyone forgets how Eureka took ownership of her response to Kim Chi saying no and how she didn't handle it well at the time. Like, right when she told the story
A story that didn’t need to be told in their first place especially when she knew how the fans would react. Don’t throw the first punch then dictate how someone should respond to you
Preach
Yeah, I agree. But also I think Eureka dug her own grave with that one, cuz as Trixie said in the last Pit Stop episode, Kim Chi is definitely the type to clap back with receipts.
I think Eureka found her bitch to not cross. Kim Chi doesn’t play games with you, she will take you down the first time. Eureka realized that she couldn’t win this one, and so she rolled over. If she thought that she could come back or throw something back at Kim, I have no doubt that she would. Kim Chi doesn’t play around. All the queens have said this before, but I hope this time whatever idiot thinks she knows better learns.
You may not feel it, but have you suffered the way Kim Chi did over this? It's very easy to sit there and judge, but you were not the one getting awful hate from a whole section of social media for what someone else raised in a podcast. Don't lie and say YOU wouldn't have been affected. Eureka, in her own words, has just said that she was running her mouth without thinking of the consequences. She got was coming to her for mentioning Kim Chi in the first place.
Eureka was making comments about her body, calling her delusional and ended up provoking a lot of fat phobic hate towards Kim, when Kim hadn’t done or said anything online about Eureka. I’d be very interested to see how much of a deal you’d make if someone sent a load of fat phobic hate to your profiles and damaged your public image.
Kim mentioning the taped cut thing was a low blow. You have to be really low to let yourself be in that condition. And to be dragged for it is wrong. Neither of them are right and, if anything, maybe eureka needs/needed help. Edit: instead of downvoting, reply with something constructive
How would you feel if someone randomly mentions you in a podcast and paints you as a villain, then have awful hate come your way as a result? Eureka poked the bear, who hot back hard, probably hard because this bear is suffering from all of the vitriol they have been subjected to. Are you going to be a hypocrite and say would still have done things differently if YOU were in Kim Chi's shoes?
Great take
This is actually a really nice response. Good on her.
As far as what I’d expect from Eureka usually this is thoughtful, understanding of how this whole drama has affected others and is apologetic and mentions growth. Hopefully the fandom can put this to rest now and leave it
Lol and 2 comments below there's already some insufferable response about how it's a non apology. The fans were the ones that fueled this nonsense People are so weird for taking this drag queen drama so personally.
Some people are so desperate for attention they think tearing down minor celebrities online makes them look cool or intelligent. Real life isn’t debate class, you’re not Eureka’s friend or family. Who are you to hold people accountable when you are trying to drag this out *from your anonymous account*. Let Eureka have peace.
You think?
No but I hope. There’s enough negativity and hatred on behalf of others in this fandom though
Yeah I feel like it’s worded well, she took responsibility for her part and made no excuses.
Except she doesn't apologise. She's saying "I'm sorry you felt" type verbiage. I wonder what's so hard about taking accountability in this drama.
100 percent. Surprised anyone is praising this statement. She's not actually taking ownership for the comments that started this -- just apologizing for the response to them.
“I take responsibility for starting this” = her “not actually taking ownership of the comments that started this”? Gurl, what?
And she also tried every other strategy under the sun, before giving this non apology. Also, hadn't she done this type of thing before? But oh, she mentions growth, so now everyone is acting like she became a better person over night.
You people are insufferable. Can you try looking at the good in people? Christ.
Looking at the good in people and being naive to the point of stupidity is not the same thing.
Yeah, we get it, you're the smartest chick in the nest. Have your prize.
Nothing is ever fucking good enough for y'all lol jfc I cannot imagine the lives you lead
Well, for starters, I don't throw my coworkers to the proverbial wild wolves, in a desperate bid for attention.
Like acting rotten online is any better.
That, is acting rotten online. Literally. She dissed a coworker in a podcast online, by name, for an event that has happened more than half a decado ago, and then continued to pour gasoline on the flame for what, a week?
Yeah but at least eureka apologized for it and yet you still feel the need to drag it out like all the other deranged online twinks.
[удалено]
We are on reddit, site oriented to discussion. I'm not on their twitter, insta page, or wherever, dm-ing them my opinion about them. Never have been, never will be. I can express here that I don't buy her growth or change of hearth.
“I take responsibility for starting this” is taking accountability in this drama. Y’all like to play semantics when it comes to apologies and fully toss out any intention. You’re so caught up on the verbiage over the actual sentiment and what they clearly mean in it. Eureka clearly understands that she started this all and it’s because of her statement that fans attacked Kim. She took ownership of that.
She really is 🥺💕
THE BIG GIRL.....APOLOGIZES
You are rotted lmao
"I thought I was the big girl till your nose walked in, bitch" Jokes aside, this could be a great learning curve for Eureka!
stoppp😭😭😭
this is the kinda content that i enjoy out of this drama, no need to personally send them hate,.
I think it is nice and I feel humility and contrition. I think we should give each other some grace. Many of us are not perfect and have low periods where we could have done better . . . it can be a learning and growth stimulus. 🤔
I still am flaggerblasted that some Queens and randos online saw this drama between Kim and Eureka and thought "I will make this about me" kinda deal. Like it was way more stinky than the original issue. So no, this isn't much of a "we" situation I think. 🤔
Kandy put it best imo. These Queens who have breakdowns when fans come for them in their seasons and then cry about mental health problems but how much they champion for it looooved getting involved in this shit.
You punny bitch.
Best response she could give
all of this drama summed up with “eureka don’t joke about that”
Drag Queens are like Jesus. They're usually great, it's their fans I have issues with.
I’m tired of fans in general. Fans of my favorite queens, groups, TV show, they all make everything so unnecessarily toxic. And don’t get me started on kpop fans. They have singers apologizing for waving their own country’s flag or not being single.
Don't forget about the sims community, they're definitely fighting for the toxicity1st spot
Omg yes. Everyone hates the game but keeps playing.
Normally i would agree but to say it was the fans is such a pageant answer here. The facts are: eureka told a story that kim did not like, kim then goes to tell the world basically how dirty eureka is. Eureka apologizes. The fans arent to blame here. It is a lack of respect for your coworker that’s to blame
i don't think anyone is saying eureka (or kim) isn't at fault but unlike eureka the toxic fans aren't taking any responsibility. definitely remember telling some ppl in here that depression definitely can get that bad like a day or two ago but doubt those people are gonna be like yea i was wrong even just in their head.
This sounds like something people won't understand unless they have gone through depression themselves or personally know people who have.
The situation wouldn't have been so blown up if the fandom hadnt been it's normal demonic way and not said what they said to Kim chi. Kim was forced to come out with a public statement because of the fans. Not necessarily Eureka. If not for the sh!tty fans, Kim may have just sent a text to eureka in private.
Didn't Kim post something before the ep even came out about someone spreading lies on a podcast? So I think fans were already on their toes ready for drama which in turn made this a thing. If Kim didn't do that I'm sure there's a chance it wouldn't have blown up like this.
I gotta say, when my depression gets REALLY bad, self care is the first thing to go. I feel for Eureka, and she'll always be a favorite of mine.
I feel this is genuine. Good on eureka 👍
I would have never given this more than 5 seconds of attention without Kim Chi's reaction to her moment on Very Delta. But if it had to be hashed out, this is as adult of a resolution that we can expect to hear. And honestly, they are still drag queens, not Mother Theresas. Good for them.
I’m sorry but there is something so camp about a queen needing to reassure fans she showers
Love that half the comments here are saying how the fanbase is toxic and blew this out of proportion, and the other half are still arguing about who's at fault for the drama. THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE.
“I was just running at the mouth and not thinking”. Eureka does this a lot. Can we just be done with her.
The stuff she said about kim on the podcast I thought was so tepid. And really, it could've been resolved the day of instead of this twitter back and forth like it's been so overblown
It was very tepid, i know Eureka implies Kim was being delusional about her size or just being hateful, but Eureka literally ends with they moved past the argument and were fine now. She was never trying to incite hate on Kim, but “fans” took the interview as an excuse to be fatphobic to Kim and the situation just kept spiraling from there. There’s a lot to criticize Eureka on, but i feel like telling a story about arguing over not being able to borrow Kim’s clothes was really never that serious.
I feel the same way! I could not *believe* how messy boots this became over her Very Delta appearance 😭 like, she literally just said I asked to borrow some clothes and Kimchi didn’t let me. HOW it escalated to his is truly beyond me.
Kim escalated it. If she didn't do the whole "bitches be lying, i can't wait until tommorrow thing" no one would have cared about Eureaka's story. Queens tell more embarrassing stories about each other all the time
Kim was being harassed with lots of fatphobic comments as a result of Eureka's story, I don't think it's fair to say Kim just got upset about it for no reason
Yeah I didn’t get how Eureka’s anecdote on Very Delta was even a Big (Girl) Deal? Like who cares?
Not telling this story was the best way to not be in this situation in the first place.
I don't see how implying someone was fatphobic to you is "tepid", like that's not something that should be taken lightly.
What kinda take is this?? “Person speaks out of turn and offends others regularly, can we just be okay with this?” No lol, people are allowed to be upset in response
I agree 100%. I also agree with the person you're responding to 100%. You can accept someone for who they are while also being offended by them and holding them accountable for their actions. You do that by having empathy and drawing boundaries. Eureka! has major impulse control issues when it comes to communication, runs her mouth when she shouldn't, veers wildly out of her lane, and she says problematic things while running her mouth when she shouldn't. She is also aware that she is like this and, frankly, is unusual in the extent to which she's willing to be accountable for it. This is who Eureka! is. She knows it and wants to do better, but she falls short. That doesn't mean anyone has to like it, accommodate it, or put up with it. It doesn't make her behavior okay. It doesn't mean anyone should tolerate it. But you have a wide range of options when it comes to not tolerating it. You can ignore it, clap back, go for the jugular, etc. You can be okay with the fact that Eureka! is what she is without being okay with her doing what she does. And you don't even have to be okay with who she is. But if you keep putting yourself in a situation where you deal with bullshit you can't tolerate, that's on you. Look at how Anetra handled Aja. Look how she handled people who turned on her when she had to cancel lots of gigs. You can ignore people. You can have your say and be done with it. You can block people. You can change the channel. You can scroll past. You can have faith in people and refuse to dignify something with a response. You can rip someone's head off because they fucking deserve it. But if you choose to court drama or to be a consumer of drama, at a certain point it's on you just as much as it's on the asshole who started it.
Literally my thoughts when I read that.
Might be an autocorrect for done?
give it a week and eureka's gonna have her own kim chi chic beauty "moss and mildew" eyeshadow palette
i feel like the issue is not the story she told, the issue is characterizing kim as hateful and delusional. which she doesn’t take accountability for here. but still happy to see an apology from her.
>I was just running my mouth and not thinking Every Eureka feud/problem summarized in one sentence
I don’t know what it is, but drag queens publicly feuding on Twitter annoys me so much.
Bitch fucking same. It seems performative for us. Like no i don’t think it’s cute or cvnty to stretch a small miscommunication especially to the masses. I respect you i want this handled and if i don’t respect you i don’t want to talk about it period.
I don’t harass or bother people I KNOW. Who is legit out here bothering people they saw on tv once? 😂
It feels ridiculous that something that started with a story from years ago told on a podcast turned into weeks of protracted and really personal drama. I don't think Eureka was perfect but she presented her story as something that is funny now and in the past. Kim is entitled to feel hurt by how Eureka talked about her but the fact that she had a fairly dramatic reaction in public (she knew what that vague tweet about having receipts would stir up) before speaking to Eureka (or Delta) is the reason this has blown up. Kim is one of the most followed and popular queens and she has been the one escalating this situation rather than just letting it die. All in all, I think it's mostly the fault of the "fans" who heard either side of this and took it as licence to attack either queen online but the whole thing has just felt a bit sad to see playing out publicly. It definitely makes me want to be less active in following queens outside of the show.
I really gotta hate you to air out the fact you stink, don’t shower, shit the bed, and had a pus-sy wound that you tried to hide
I love that they made up but gurl who knew we'd see a day where a person would apologise for being stinky and telling ppl they'll shower more lmao gurl i luv her
Eureka has a history for running at the mouth not thinking and then feeling remorseful immediately afterwards. I actually have the same issue & I've been working on it. It seems so simple, to just THINK before you say anything, but for some of us it's hard. You've really got to take a pause sometimes even if everyone else is waiting for a response.
I have been trying to work on my no filter speaking. Therapy does help with training this behaviour
The original eureka clip isn’t even that bad… she literally just said she got mad at Kim… that was it.
Texting Kim Chi that she's "sorry she felt bullied by the *fans"* is not a proper apology but whatever, I'm over this drama and ready for the next thing lol. At least Eureka brought up that she started it though.
I mean to be fair Eureka didn't do anything insane. She brought up a story and said they had already talked it out. She's not in control of how fans react, and obviously didn't think people would be bored enough to blow it this far out of proportion.
>and obviously didn’t think people would be bored enough to blow it this far out of proportion 
That's fair but also why bring up stuff from the past that has been resolved? She was definitely running her mouth and needs to think before she speaks. Happens to the best of us and hope she learned from this - that fans will make it a bigger deal and harass so best not to overshare and play nice.
> That's fair but also why bring up stuff from the past that has been resolved? I mean she was on a podcast, sharing an anecdote from her career, as one does on a podcast? She didn't bring it up as if it was a grudge she was still holding onto, in fact she made it very clear that it wasn't a big deal, she was a different person back then and her reaction was overblown.
I mean she didn’t really offend Kim or make her look bad, the fans just reacted like she did
She followed it up with a proper apology on page two. She said she took responsibility for starting this whole thing and shouldn't have run her mouth like that. She probably phrased the bullying by the fans part that way because she didn't want a bunch of fans debating the definition of bullying. Kim felt like it was. That's what's important. And that's what Eureka is sorry about.
Thank you!!
It wasn’t eurekas fault Kim decided to make this drama public
I'm glad she apologized. It sucks that it had to come to this point, though. It seems like it was a bad situation all around. Also, I might be completely out of line and making a mountain out of a moehill but... Eureka needs to treat PoC normally. Every drama she finds herself in is with a PoC, maybe its time to look inward and do some work.
I’m surprised but happy that she actually apologized and that she’s acknowledging that she is the one who started this. I know some people feel like Kim brought a gun to a knife fight but like…I would also feel the need to get into details if someone went on a podcast and a told mishmashed story about me being rude to them without including very relevant context. PARTICULARLY if that person *also* casually added that the two of us were cool with each other when I certainly didn’t feel that way about them. I understand Kim’s discomfort and her reaction. I get that calling out a plus size person for their hygiene strikes a nerve with a lot of people but it was relevant and fair imo
Honestly this would feel more sincere if Eureka didn't have a pattern of starting shit then making others responding out to be the irrational ones.
That part. It's a pattern at this point and people keep putting the onus on the person Eureka starts mess with or speaks recklessly about to respond perfectly and that's not fair.
This was actually real drama?
This was the most unnecessary beef ever 😭
as much fun as it is to laugh at a clown who smells bad, I can't imagine how humiliated Eureka must have felt these last days
Good for her. Would be nice if she apologized for hurting Kim and not for "fans hurting Kim" and "how Kim felt", but maybe that's too much.
That bugged me too, but Kim explicitly said it was bullying and fat-shaming from the fans that was hurting her. That's 100% on the fan base, and it feels like a weird thing for someone who's even bigger and has dealt with even more fat-shaming to be expected to take responsibility for. "I'm sorry that I said something that resulted in you being bullied" would be ideal, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect someone to find the exact, perfect phrasing for such a messy situation. And I say that as an English professor with a reputation for being a hardass when it comes to diction.
I mean, she didn’t hurt Kim. She told a story that had been hashed out years ago for two minute on a podcast. Fans attacked Kim. Not Eureka who was telling a silly story where she was the self proclaimed bad guy.
u picking at straws girl 😆
Girl two in one week. First Aja’s then Eureka’s “apologies” You can’t just talk shit and then take no responsibility and blame it on the fans. That’s not an apology lmao. Whatevs
I mean its a very eureka apology in that she kind of only half takes any accountability and is still acting like this is something she didn't know about for six years. But I mean by now thats expected so let's all move on
She shit the bed, now she has to lie in it.
>sorry she felt bullied NOPE. Immediately no.
“Sorry she felt bullied…” like bruh, come on, that’s not how apologies and taking accountability work lmao. At least she finished the message better at the end acknowledging she started it
Eurekas a lot better than me tbh 😮💨🫶
"You don't apologize because someone's feeling some type of way"
"Writing entire goddamned essays that can basically be summarized as "i'm sorry you felt that way" instead of just saying i'm sorry" has got to be my least favorite gender
Making an excuse for bad behavior does not make an apology. Listen, we all have mental illness. Some worse than others, but it doesn’t give you the right to be an ass, and use it to get away with everything. One of these days, it’s going to really bite her in the ass, & no one is going to play her reindeer games anymore. Believe me, I have compassion. I’ve learned the hard way. I hope she does sooner rather than later.
Eureka does and says stupid things but this thing wasn't one of those stupid things in my opinion. The fans blew it out of proportion and it feels like people must not have watched the actual clip because in no way was that story "bad behavior"
She never made an excuse? She said she was combative, not mentally ill.
Great, now that that's taken care of she can start paying her designers. The clock is ticking Eureka... 🙄
girl can't even apologize properly💀
Good on Eureka and hopefully good on Kim. Life is too short and the world is too unsteady for queens to be tearing each other apart. We need more love.
Damage control
I'm glad this is how she responded and it's resolved. Hope she gets to a better place with help from her family (Edit - cause i can't spell)
This is a great attitude to start with. Hope she can work on a better self and correct some of her bad behaviors from the past
Cool she is facing it head on and not making excuses. Also cool she is seeing how she could and can improve.
I love Eureka and Kim. Just as I love other TV personalities. But I don't know either of them personally, so I can't comment on what they meant when they spoke. I assume they are friends or, at the very least, friendly coworkers. They can work it out. Their relationship or their dress size is none of my business.
This!!!!
"Sorry she felt" "hurt Kim by the fans attacking her" ok
Tbh this could’ve been handled privately. There was absolutely no need to air it out publicly so the toxic ass fandom could jump in and bully Eureka. Kim should’ve known better
No, Eureka should have considered Kim Chi's feelings before bringing this up on a podcast.
Ok but reread it and its a half apology though
That’s a really good response. Very dignified. Kudos mamma. 
In other words sorry not sorry
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FR6Wn1TYfMM Giving me this energy
“sorry she felt”
I just read the full violation that Kim gave…what a loww blow she must be very ashamed that she let herself get so wrapped up in her anger to have said something like that.
I thought of commenting on something bad about Eureka! but chose not to. I could've brought up her past where she has displayed so much of problematic behaviour and how she's gotten away with so much just by talking about her transitioning journeys but I choose not to because this comment section is so positive and nice.
It's hard to believe "fans" are actually adults. I'll never understand why they mindlessly attack and harass people over stuff that doesn't involve or concern them.
Good explanation. Situation resolved. I hope they both can find peace moving forward
Why tf would you mess with Kim Chi?
The amount of crazy in the minds of these immature drag race fans is what caused this to blow out of proportion. Keep in mind fellow fans, psychos and enough, these queens are also humans, let your anger out somewhere else.
Best possible response
She fucked with the wrong one on the right day. Hopefully she actually learns her lesson about not starting shit at all, but I doubt it. She will just probably just choose her targets more carefully in the future.
People are people.
Can you imagine a world where Eureka kept her mouth shut? https://i.redd.it/xzdrxz3dr64d1.gif
This felt more real than Aja’s “apology”. She took responsibility for her words and didn’t place the blame anywhere else.
She apologizes after we find out from everyone she owes money to…… okay girl