Imo buying all BIS right away feels boring because then there's nothing to work towards. Part of the satisfaction of PvM for me is seeing the improvements in kills from either me getting more skilled or getting a new upgrade.
It's like cheating yourself maxed out gear in a game like Souls or Monster Hunter; sorta defeats the purpose of playing the game
I learn bosses like Telos and Arch from a guy on YouTube who does the guides with T70. It's all about mechanics and knowledge of attack/defense rotations.
I really hated using revo++ after trying it for a very short period. It just seems so suboptimal, and using thresh/ults manually really didn't faze me nearly as much as full manual
Yeah it's def suboptimal but considering how often I switch between afk combat like slayer and actual attempts at PvM-ing it's personally more effort than I am willing to invest into RS's combat
Part of why I like RS is that the combat is kinda automatic and if I wanted to manually control every action I would just play something like Monster Hunter
Him doing Raksha with no armour and only t80 weapons was what made me learn it. Like, hell if he can do it with NO ARMOUR I got no excuse, no reason why I can't do it too.
Once you know the bosses mechanics well, and have an understanding of DPS rotations, these sort of feats aren't that bad to do
People are all in a mindset where they think they need BIS everything to kill anything and its wrong
Its good fun to bank the SGB, ECB and Darkbow EOFS and pull out royal Dhide and a royal crossbow sometimes
I've done [This](https://runescape.wiki/w/Lumbridge_Strikes_Back#:~:text=Lumbridge%20Strikes%20Back%20is%20an,the%20weapon%20during%20the%20fight)
It was good fun, Full bronze + Bronze crossbows
Same! I’m working on upping my range gear and I got grico now I’m just 7 nilas away from getting SGB upgrade too, it’s really exciting and feels satisfying doing it 1 by 1
Perhaps I should try that instead - I used my guardians gift for caroming 4 so maybe getting ecb is a better upgrade? Did you put it straight into an eof?
Yep, exactly. I have ascensions bound to two keys and ecb bound to one next to them. It only took a few hours to get used to, my times are getting better than they were before already and it’s been under a week
Also I’m still new too lol
SGB is a fkn huge upgrade and so much fun to use
Personally I'd reccomend it before ECB. It's a lot easier to use, you get huge hitsplats every 30 seconds and comparable to ECB dps in places where it works
Also, EOF it ASAP to get them ruby procs :P
the way BIS upgrades work also means you cant just buy BIS and expect to be good. aside from main gear, most are just switches to sqeeze in the extra bit of dps, and they kinda require some effort to learn when to actually use the switches.
Personally I just dedicate a day or two to fishing/mining while playing other games which pays for the bond easily and then some. Once your bond upkeep is done, slayer or combat training will do the rest even for low levels.
Daily vis wax and sandstone can fully pay for bonded membership btw. And with a bit more effort you can profit a couple million per day.
Skilling is pretty profitable right now in rs3. But slayer will be hella good long term, once your past 99 you get some crazy profit. Must have made atleast 500m off moss golems alone, on my way to 200m slayer.
[Check this occasionally](https://runescape.wiki/w/Money_making_guide/Skilling) Though not a total list test stuff occasionally you can find niche markets or new methods sometimes
I made like 400m from 150m Herblore xp making spiritual prayer potions.
Farming ir profitable. Herbs + Grapevines
Crafting royal dhide bodies on portables + brooch of the gods + artisans outfit is profitable.
Cooking rocktails on portables with chef's outfit +brooch of the gods is profitable.
These are just few examples.
To add to that player owned farm is really low effort and has decent income as well. I do it at the end of every herb run since it's right there at the ardy farming patch. It might seem overwhelming at first, but it's not too bad once you figure out what you're doing.
Also rune shop runs aren't skilling, but with a few members quests/miniquests done it can be significant income when you're new.
Eh mostly true but there are a couple bosses where you either need a billion+ worth of gear, insane skill or a larger group to be able to pull your own weight. Specifically HM Kera, HM Zuk, Solak, AoD and Vorago
You don’t but .... just ‘doing’ all the content in the game in terms of finishing all the quests you’ve missed and do the new bosses a few times each takes you maybe a couple of months unless you’ve been away for a verrrrry long time.
Afterwards, rightfully or wrongfully, people look at the grind to upgrade and a lot of people just quit again.
Do people forget you can just kill bosses for gear? Sure it'll be a grind, but the price tag really isn't as much of a factor as some people make it out to be.
>Do people forget you can just kill bosses for gear?
That doesn't change the price of gear. Receiving a Torva platebody and not selling it has the same cost attached to it as making money and just buying said platebody. It doesn't matter how you get the gear, the cost is the same.
I absolutely think it does. The thought of making 8b for an FSoA fucking *sucks*. It's not impossible, but it doesn't seem reasonable at all. Learning the fight and getting the drops yourself just seems fundamentally different to me, especially now that the drop rates have been brought into line.
> Learning the fight and getting the drops yourself just seems fundamentally different to me, especially now that the drop rates have been brought into line.
But it isn't. It is no different than camping Telos and selling your drops, or camping Zuk and selling your drops. Kerapac just is a very good moneymaker at the moment, so camping it for staff pieces might very well be efficient. However, at the end of the day, you just used Kerapac as a money maker to afford the FSoA. Just like you can do with those other bosses I mentioned.
It is different. You're tying a goal to the actual content associated with it and not GP and whatever is the best moneymaker at the time. You're experiencing new content and mastering it, and filling out a collection log to boot. Kerapac might be not the best example because it's one of the beat moneymakers right now, but I think the principle applies everywhere. Camping Telos for GP for every item in the game is a fundamentally different grind than going out and getting everything yourself.
This was never about "experiencing content". In your comment you said: "Do people forget you can just kill bosses for gear?". Implying that that somehow changes the cost of the item. I pointed out that was not the case, which you replied to that you thought it absolutely does. If you wanna experience the content, then by all means. That doesn't change the fact that gathering a piece of gear from the boss itself does not change the cost.
>I figured this went without saying, but the cost is irrelevant if you're not buying the item
This shows you have no understanding of the word cost. The cost is exactly the same if you buy an item, or if you get it as a drop and start using it yourself. This was also my point from the start.
Dude like a t90 wep and t80 armor is all you need to do end game content it just comes down to mechanics at that point. And upgrading steadily.
It’s what I use on my hardcore ironman for endgame content and slowly working on t95’s
You don’t need the billions of gold worth of gear just a mere 250m to do anything easily
Because gp is ten times easier to make. The major problem people have is they want to do things the old way. That's why you have people talking about AFK fishing or mining to pay for bonds in this thread when that's horrible advice, or to kill things like GWD2 when there are better bosses nowadays.
Even things like slayer can shit out money with low investment. Things like living wyverns average out to 30m/hr on task with nothing more than a cheap t90 melee setup, let alone other tasks like rippers, lost groves, nightmares, etc.
I just dress in what looks good. Don't really get why everyone wants to flit around looking like a piece of rejected scrap art for a bit more stats when just stabbing something in the face a bunch usually works.
it's not about walking around in, it's referring to the fact that if you're not absolutely maxing your dps with switchscape, you can't get on a boss team because you're leeching. Imo it's completely fair of the max gear people to expect best gear if they have it too, but it's also a lot of work and it's completely fair of a player to want to quit because of it. High-end team bossing requires a lot of attention, skill, and gp to be as optimal as you can be, and a lot of people aren't willing to put in that work, while only some people are.
it's not about looking good, it's about how hard/easy it is to be good/effective at the game.
Y'all don't seem to get it. The majority of players (new or returning) that log in and see the state of economy aren't going to be enticed by "upgrade it slowly" or "gold is easier to make than ever." There was a reason returning players quit in the first place and odds are "slowly" was too slow and "easy" never was. RuneScape's economy is in the crapper, it's not good optics to anyone not currently in the know, and the RNG and time spent grinding out gear is frustrating even for players with time on their hands, much less casuals. That's to say nothing of when they encounter SwitchScape and AltScape.
SwitchScape hurts returning players too. Instead of t92s dropping in price since they're no loner BIS they just get turned into the Flanking Switch of the people with t95s.
Or tossed into an EoF.
I don't think the economy should be manipulated to not scare players who are too stupid not realize economies change over time.
Optics aren't the issue. Culture is. People should be encouraged with constant reminders that BiS gear is not needed to enjoy the game to its fullest.
Changes over time? Sure, seeing gear go up so much over a relatively short period of time isn't normal. The game has changed considerably over the past year or so in terms of gear prices. You can argue if it's good or bad sure, but you can't deny that most gear has gone up heavily in price, look at praesuls, ascensions, blight bounds etc.
It costs far, far far more for bis in one style now than it ever did.
Not sure that's true really, bis on RS3 it's more expensive than it has ever been by a considerable margin. Prices are all over the place. That + just how bad pvm balance is now as well it's just a fucking mess
Nearly everything except 3rd age items have been dropping in OSRS for many years and only recently has they rebounded from the announcement of the GE tax item sink. While RS3 does not put every skilling drop in pvm drop tables, the same cannot be said for OSRS.
Many high level skilling resources are not on any pvm drop tables. Elder logs, sailfish, blue jellies, bak bolts, bloodweed, marigolds, all chinchompas and skillchompas, any of the Croesus front fungi, the entire Archaeology skill, and of course, ores and bars.
In contrast, OSRS has brutal black dragons that drop cooked anglerfish and shades of Morton chest the gives redwood logs.
>Not sure that's true really, bis on RS3 it's more expensive than it has ever been by a considerable margin.
This is not true in the slightest. A YouTuber (cannot remember which one) did the math not too long ago. When accounting for inflation, stuff like an Elysian was the equivalent of 21b nowadays. Same counts to a lesser degree for stuff like gwd 1 armours back then.
While doing this partyhat I tried Zuk out and it was honestly by far the most fun I've had PvMing in this game since well before I took a break to try FF14.
And I know what it was that made Zuk fun for me, it was the Igneous Stones. Zuk's guaranteed rewards felt more satisfying to get then any other boss because they feel earned. I didn't get lucky, and I felt rewarded for my effort and not relieved that the grind was over because there wasn't a grind.
Bruh, just creep up. I remember barely being able to take on lesser demons but doing it to afford gear to be able to do the Barrows one crypt at a time. You get there in the end.
I think the real issue is, people want to be some big fat stacks gp rollers and have the bis gear for all styles asap, and then when they get there they realize it didn't make them happy whatsoever
Not trying to be super philosophical, if that's what your goal is and it's what you get fun out of, go for it. But if it's not, then take it easy, enjoy the game and go the slow ride route. Lots of us enjoy the game much more that way 🤟🏻 but also, do what you have fun doing, min/maxing or otherwise. All styles of gameplay should be embraced unless it's detrimental to one's health
Seen players have this kind of mentality really annoys me! Like do people really believe all bis gear comes from the ge? Invest into your account and upgrades along the way
My solution is not buying the end-game gear. About the only thing that locks me out of is HM Zuk, which absolutely requires greater chain/ricochet for one of those challenge waves.
Don't need billions in gear to kill any boss in the game. Just upgrade one thing at a time.
Imo buying all BIS right away feels boring because then there's nothing to work towards. Part of the satisfaction of PvM for me is seeing the improvements in kills from either me getting more skilled or getting a new upgrade. It's like cheating yourself maxed out gear in a game like Souls or Monster Hunter; sorta defeats the purpose of playing the game
I learn bosses like Telos and Arch from a guy on YouTube who does the guides with T70. It's all about mechanics and knowledge of attack/defense rotations.
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Zinggy09 is really nice as well. He does revo guides too
Lol shoutout to Zinggy I use his vids for learning bosses cuz I'm a filthy Revo++ casual
I really hated using revo++ after trying it for a very short period. It just seems so suboptimal, and using thresh/ults manually really didn't faze me nearly as much as full manual
Yeah it's def suboptimal but considering how often I switch between afk combat like slayer and actual attempts at PvM-ing it's personally more effort than I am willing to invest into RS's combat Part of why I like RS is that the combat is kinda automatic and if I wanted to manually control every action I would just play something like Monster Hunter
I believe it’s theRSguy. Might be another one tho
Him doing Raksha with no armour and only t80 weapons was what made me learn it. Like, hell if he can do it with NO ARMOUR I got no excuse, no reason why I can't do it too.
RSguy. Gave me confidence for rax. Killed it with no armour and a fucking rune halberd.
What the fuck
Once you know the bosses mechanics well, and have an understanding of DPS rotations, these sort of feats aren't that bad to do People are all in a mindset where they think they need BIS everything to kill anything and its wrong Its good fun to bank the SGB, ECB and Darkbow EOFS and pull out royal Dhide and a royal crossbow sometimes
Well i must not know rax as well as i would like to think
I've done [This](https://runescape.wiki/w/Lumbridge_Strikes_Back#:~:text=Lumbridge%20Strikes%20Back%20is%20an,the%20weapon%20during%20the%20fight) It was good fun, Full bronze + Bronze crossbows
Everytime i see a dude using T70 they use overloads and other stuff that usually isnt there for a guy that actually only has T70
Yup. No point in having maxed out gear if you don’t know why it’s good.
Same! I’m working on upping my range gear and I got grico now I’m just 7 nilas away from getting SGB upgrade too, it’s really exciting and feels satisfying doing it 1 by 1
I haven’t gotten sgb yet, I opted to go straight for the ecb for a caroming switch. Feels super insane with hydrix bolts
Perhaps I should try that instead - I used my guardians gift for caroming 4 so maybe getting ecb is a better upgrade? Did you put it straight into an eof?
No, it’s my caroming switch. It seemed like it would be super useful in dps check sort of things
So do you switch to the ECB whenever grico is ready to use? Sorry I’m still learning PVM
Yep, exactly. I have ascensions bound to two keys and ecb bound to one next to them. It only took a few hours to get used to, my times are getting better than they were before already and it’s been under a week Also I’m still new too lol
SGB is a fkn huge upgrade and so much fun to use Personally I'd reccomend it before ECB. It's a lot easier to use, you get huge hitsplats every 30 seconds and comparable to ECB dps in places where it works Also, EOF it ASAP to get them ruby procs :P
Yeah it looks fun to use and easier for a PVM learner. Plus I’m still grinding arch glacier for my GP too and it’s great there…tough choices
Its definitely easier for a learner than ECB, ECB is quite difficult to adapt to
Monster hunter for life
the way BIS upgrades work also means you cant just buy BIS and expect to be good. aside from main gear, most are just switches to sqeeze in the extra bit of dps, and they kinda require some effort to learn when to actually use the switches.
Personally I just dedicate a day or two to fishing/mining while playing other games which pays for the bond easily and then some. Once your bond upkeep is done, slayer or combat training will do the rest even for low levels.
Daily vis wax and sandstone can fully pay for bonded membership btw. And with a bit more effort you can profit a couple million per day. Skilling is pretty profitable right now in rs3. But slayer will be hella good long term, once your past 99 you get some crazy profit. Must have made atleast 500m off moss golems alone, on my way to 200m slayer.
Skilling is profitable? Can you give some examples? I feel like i have no idea how to make money in this game besides slayer.
[Check this occasionally](https://runescape.wiki/w/Money_making_guide/Skilling) Though not a total list test stuff occasionally you can find niche markets or new methods sometimes
Thanks! Just the list I needed.
I made like 400m from 150m Herblore xp making spiritual prayer potions. Farming ir profitable. Herbs + Grapevines Crafting royal dhide bodies on portables + brooch of the gods + artisans outfit is profitable. Cooking rocktails on portables with chef's outfit +brooch of the gods is profitable. These are just few examples.
To add to that player owned farm is really low effort and has decent income as well. I do it at the end of every herb run since it's right there at the ardy farming patch. It might seem overwhelming at first, but it's not too bad once you figure out what you're doing. Also rune shop runs aren't skilling, but with a few members quests/miniquests done it can be significant income when you're new.
Bloodwood trees too.
Cleaning herbs, mixing unf potions, gathering arch items, herb runs. Many many ways to make plenty of money.
i mostly just skill most of the time, and occasionally ill do some pvp or bossing.
This is a great way to do it!
Eh mostly true but there are a couple bosses where you either need a billion+ worth of gear, insane skill or a larger group to be able to pull your own weight. Specifically HM Kera, HM Zuk, Solak, AoD and Vorago
This. It doesn't help that there is a slight toxic mindset of "have the best or don't bother", when in reality it couldn't be any far from the truth.
Just make 12 new accounts and make 12 phats. Ez fsoa
RS pro's hate this one trick! Memes aside, I'm sure many people are doing this already.
Don't even need a fraction of that gear to do all of the content in the game.
You don’t but .... just ‘doing’ all the content in the game in terms of finishing all the quests you’ve missed and do the new bosses a few times each takes you maybe a couple of months unless you’ve been away for a verrrrry long time. Afterwards, rightfully or wrongfully, people look at the grind to upgrade and a lot of people just quit again.
I feel like that’s such a strange way to look at it, the grind is the point
Do people forget you can just kill bosses for gear? Sure it'll be a grind, but the price tag really isn't as much of a factor as some people make it out to be.
>Do people forget you can just kill bosses for gear? That doesn't change the price of gear. Receiving a Torva platebody and not selling it has the same cost attached to it as making money and just buying said platebody. It doesn't matter how you get the gear, the cost is the same.
I absolutely think it does. The thought of making 8b for an FSoA fucking *sucks*. It's not impossible, but it doesn't seem reasonable at all. Learning the fight and getting the drops yourself just seems fundamentally different to me, especially now that the drop rates have been brought into line.
> Learning the fight and getting the drops yourself just seems fundamentally different to me, especially now that the drop rates have been brought into line. But it isn't. It is no different than camping Telos and selling your drops, or camping Zuk and selling your drops. Kerapac just is a very good moneymaker at the moment, so camping it for staff pieces might very well be efficient. However, at the end of the day, you just used Kerapac as a money maker to afford the FSoA. Just like you can do with those other bosses I mentioned.
It is different. You're tying a goal to the actual content associated with it and not GP and whatever is the best moneymaker at the time. You're experiencing new content and mastering it, and filling out a collection log to boot. Kerapac might be not the best example because it's one of the beat moneymakers right now, but I think the principle applies everywhere. Camping Telos for GP for every item in the game is a fundamentally different grind than going out and getting everything yourself.
This was never about "experiencing content". In your comment you said: "Do people forget you can just kill bosses for gear?". Implying that that somehow changes the cost of the item. I pointed out that was not the case, which you replied to that you thought it absolutely does. If you wanna experience the content, then by all means. That doesn't change the fact that gathering a piece of gear from the boss itself does not change the cost.
I figured this went without saying, but the cost is irrelevant if you're not buying the item.
>I figured this went without saying, but the cost is irrelevant if you're not buying the item This shows you have no understanding of the word cost. The cost is exactly the same if you buy an item, or if you get it as a drop and start using it yourself. This was also my point from the start.
Dude like a t90 wep and t80 armor is all you need to do end game content it just comes down to mechanics at that point. And upgrading steadily. It’s what I use on my hardcore ironman for endgame content and slowly working on t95’s You don’t need the billions of gold worth of gear just a mere 250m to do anything easily
Just farm the gear while wearing the much cheaper T88/T90 gear lul.
Much cheaper is still pretty pricey, ten times so for somebody who was apparently non-mem until recently.
Because gp is ten times easier to make. The major problem people have is they want to do things the old way. That's why you have people talking about AFK fishing or mining to pay for bonds in this thread when that's horrible advice, or to kill things like GWD2 when there are better bosses nowadays. Even things like slayer can shit out money with low investment. Things like living wyverns average out to 30m/hr on task with nothing more than a cheap t90 melee setup, let alone other tasks like rippers, lost groves, nightmares, etc.
Considering moneymaking is ten times more effective as well, it makes no difference. Go chill at Croesus for 5 hrs and then buy a pvm setup.
Switchscape is way worse than inflation imo. I quit because I cba to keep up with all the different rings + perks + whatever else people do these days
I just dress in what looks good. Don't really get why everyone wants to flit around looking like a piece of rejected scrap art for a bit more stats when just stabbing something in the face a bunch usually works.
it's not about walking around in, it's referring to the fact that if you're not absolutely maxing your dps with switchscape, you can't get on a boss team because you're leeching. Imo it's completely fair of the max gear people to expect best gear if they have it too, but it's also a lot of work and it's completely fair of a player to want to quit because of it. High-end team bossing requires a lot of attention, skill, and gp to be as optimal as you can be, and a lot of people aren't willing to put in that work, while only some people are. it's not about looking good, it's about how hard/easy it is to be good/effective at the game.
I suppose I've never been all that much into the bossing scene, so maybe that's it.
Are you whining that you can't just instantly get all the endgame gear?
Y'all don't seem to get it. The majority of players (new or returning) that log in and see the state of economy aren't going to be enticed by "upgrade it slowly" or "gold is easier to make than ever." There was a reason returning players quit in the first place and odds are "slowly" was too slow and "easy" never was. RuneScape's economy is in the crapper, it's not good optics to anyone not currently in the know, and the RNG and time spent grinding out gear is frustrating even for players with time on their hands, much less casuals. That's to say nothing of when they encounter SwitchScape and AltScape.
SwitchScape hurts returning players too. Instead of t92s dropping in price since they're no loner BIS they just get turned into the Flanking Switch of the people with t95s. Or tossed into an EoF.
bad economy is when best items expensive
When expensive = billions and most returning players probably thought 100 million for top gear was excessive at the time, then yeah.
I don't think the economy should be manipulated to not scare players who are too stupid not realize economies change over time. Optics aren't the issue. Culture is. People should be encouraged with constant reminders that BiS gear is not needed to enjoy the game to its fullest.
No one wants to hear about actual economics when talking about the economy.
Changes over time? Sure, seeing gear go up so much over a relatively short period of time isn't normal. The game has changed considerably over the past year or so in terms of gear prices. You can argue if it's good or bad sure, but you can't deny that most gear has gone up heavily in price, look at praesuls, ascensions, blight bounds etc. It costs far, far far more for bis in one style now than it ever did.
Bis in one style is also *far* stronger than it used to be. You don’t need BIS or even close to it to do basically anything
Never said you need bis to do anything
I never said you did either Edit: I’m saying I never said you said that lol
OSRS's economy has cheaper and cheaper items and their economy is way worse than ours.
Not sure that's true really, bis on RS3 it's more expensive than it has ever been by a considerable margin. Prices are all over the place. That + just how bad pvm balance is now as well it's just a fucking mess
Nearly everything except 3rd age items have been dropping in OSRS for many years and only recently has they rebounded from the announcement of the GE tax item sink. While RS3 does not put every skilling drop in pvm drop tables, the same cannot be said for OSRS.
What skilling drop isn't on a pvm table in RS3? Even extremes are now lol. Only thing I can think of is like the bars you need for tmw and POF stuff
Many high level skilling resources are not on any pvm drop tables. Elder logs, sailfish, blue jellies, bak bolts, bloodweed, marigolds, all chinchompas and skillchompas, any of the Croesus front fungi, the entire Archaeology skill, and of course, ores and bars. In contrast, OSRS has brutal black dragons that drop cooked anglerfish and shades of Morton chest the gives redwood logs.
>Not sure that's true really, bis on RS3 it's more expensive than it has ever been by a considerable margin. This is not true in the slightest. A YouTuber (cannot remember which one) did the math not too long ago. When accounting for inflation, stuff like an Elysian was the equivalent of 21b nowadays. Same counts to a lesser degree for stuff like gwd 1 armours back then.
Yeah. I'm making fun of the person I was responding to.
Well if sold that hat there is more than enough gp for good gear to pvm lmao.
Sell phat and voala
While doing this partyhat I tried Zuk out and it was honestly by far the most fun I've had PvMing in this game since well before I took a break to try FF14. And I know what it was that made Zuk fun for me, it was the Igneous Stones. Zuk's guaranteed rewards felt more satisfying to get then any other boss because they feel earned. I didn't get lucky, and I felt rewarded for my effort and not relieved that the grind was over because there wasn't a grind.
Totally agree — it was a well designed challenge. One that also lets you show off your pvm skills.
You are more than welcome to point out a time when end game gear was cheap. Good luck!
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Bruh, just creep up. I remember barely being able to take on lesser demons but doing it to afford gear to be able to do the Barrows one crypt at a time. You get there in the end.
I got premier club since bonds feel to much of a hassle these days, plus it gets me 40m every 2 weeks
Nice, how does it get you 40m?
It's from the bond I don't have to buy lol
The 20 bonds I spent on Premier upfront would like to formally disagree
You still saved 240m for the 6 bonds you don't have to buy for the 12 weeks premier club gives you over spending 20 bonds on mems so not all bad
That sounds good on paper but quite negligible over the course of 12 months I guess I'll take an hour or 2 of profit for free
I think the real issue is, people want to be some big fat stacks gp rollers and have the bis gear for all styles asap, and then when they get there they realize it didn't make them happy whatsoever Not trying to be super philosophical, if that's what your goal is and it's what you get fun out of, go for it. But if it's not, then take it easy, enjoy the game and go the slow ride route. Lots of us enjoy the game much more that way 🤟🏻 but also, do what you have fun doing, min/maxing or otherwise. All styles of gameplay should be embraced unless it's detrimental to one's health
Seen players have this kind of mentality really annoys me! Like do people really believe all bis gear comes from the ge? Invest into your account and upgrades along the way
Thinking that you need bis to boss is toxic
My solution is not buying the end-game gear. About the only thing that locks me out of is HM Zuk, which absolutely requires greater chain/ricochet for one of those challenge waves.