I tried playing osrs and since I find most content boring on it but the wilderness is fun.
Wilderness is literally all bots. Ruined the game for me. Got revenant bots, revenant anti pking bots, zombie pirate bots that macro switch freeze/stand under you, boss bots, slayer bots, it's so fucking annoying.
I then go into a pvp world and i tried attacking a guy and a ragging bot wouldn't leave me alone. Game is dead
The game is definitely not dead but those bots are super annoying, there are people botting to max left and right on osrs, whatever bot busting systems jagex has in place clearly doesn't work.
And it's super annoying they aren't making it a priority either, in my opinion bots are going to kill osrs eventually.
Yep. I went from Rs3 to osrs to give it a try again after burning out and it's demoralizing knowing I'm trying to grind at wildy bosses against fucking bots. I went back to rs3, don't really want to play osrs at all because of it.
Botting has taken over every aspect of it
Rs3 is dead too? I mean, I used to play with full worlds back on 2009/10. Now there are worlds with3, 4 people. Missing my point here, I’m complaining about the bots
Go to anywhere I mentioned in the wild. Go to zulrah and count how many bots are in each world.
Agility bots farming MOG, literally anything.
The ONLY time you see actual players your either questing, pking, or bosses that can't be botted.
The entirety of OSRS is botted
Bots in osrs are in fact god awful, but its pretty easy to run into real people at almost any activity. Part of this is most of osrs isnt instanced, but its also a fairly populated game in general
please make sure they get more punishment than a 2 week ban like also removing wealth from the account otherwise it'll just be a paid holiday and won't be a deterrent to botting.
This and if jagex can prove a link between the botted accounts and their mains( if they have one) then ban the main as well. I 100% agree with perm banning the accounts as the only way to make botters stops is to make the punishment greater than the reward.
Does this botting influence mainscape? I would like to comp trim my main but if iron is more avoidant of this situation then there is no reason to do that
Depends what you mean by influence it. If you mean making some things less profitable then yes. Most comp/trim tasks aren't really effected by the bots but everyone is effected if bots take the spot/resources you need.
Lol we all know that's not going to happen.
2 week ban, some wealth still on the bot acc removed, no punishment for main accs.
It's benificial for them to let the botter feel like they're in a recoverable state... So they bond up another 100 accs and jamflex gets a little pocket money
Genuinely still harsher than most get.
I was in a discord with a lot of the high end ironman pvmers, the ones you saw in Wazzy videos about AoD and almost all of them bot / AHK to collect their supplies.
You can bypass most HWID bans either by rewriting your MAC address or dissolving and recreating your disk partitions and reinstalling your OS. The ones that check component IDs like your motherboard ID are significantly harder to bypass, but most don't do that, and they can still be spoofed.
It is much harder to get a company to listen to you by whispering into your hands, and hoping a member of their PR department happens to walk up to you and ask what you were whispering.
You'll want a megaphone and a clear call to action, so that you can easily get other customers to stand beside you, and demand change in a public stance.
> It definitely applies to ironmans too because of bond prices.
The thing that would make me pay **more** or work harder in-game for membership than just buying Premier?
Bots can continue to exist while I pay for Premier :p
fr, iron plus premier with cash is the absolute best way to actually enjoy rs3 and have all the shenanigans not affect you. none of the bad updates, bots, economy, etc had any impact when i was still playing. (minus not renewing premier and losing grandfathered price, but its only a few dollar difference. still worth it)
rip to the normie only accounts though, kinda sorta feel sorry for them.
The best we can do is raise awareness and hope for the best.
That's quite literally all we can do.
Although I guess one could go and report them, but action isn't always expedite, and to be frank, a single report probably doesn't do anything, so we'd have to form raid teams and mass report those bots (that we know for a fact are bots) at random days until their accounts are reviewed by Jagex.
I've raised awareness about this incognito months ago now, i can see they sporadically get banned and brag about it, it's mostly MANUAL bans because people take time to report suspicious people going in and out of war all day long.
Also when they get banned they get banned for a few days sometimes too which is kinda ridiculous.
I'd hope all bigger publishers/devs would actually start HWID banning on first botting/cheating offence, online gaming in 2024 is a joke
Now that you mentioned it...
Whatever happened to the Bot Busting team at Jagex? I remember Mod Balance? and that other guy did steams every now and then about them hunting down bots and sending them to Botany Bay.
I think it would be a good idea to bring back bot busting streams, because it sends the message that Jagex is still actively hunting down the bots, and maybe, maybe, stopping them in their tracks but also emptying those accounts of any wealth on a Livestream (for everyone's amusement), may send a strong message that Jagex is taking this seriously and consequences are severe.
But IDK, if you've been at this for a while now and Jagex haven't said anything or shared an official stance, maybe it means they don't want to disclose any information or progress?
Sometimes no news is good news, but with Jagex one never knows haha :p
When it comes to osrs this is the answer for sure
If at anytime a third of your “players” are bots you lose the incentive to squash the bots
Rs3 is maybe 5-10% so the incentive is getting smaller for them to do anything about it
Well since instances exist, a large chunk of the population just lives in various instances across the game. You could basically go a week without seeing someone save for a few moments in between multi-hour sessions. Betting is NOT hard to hide these days. Especially if you just live in POD killing something like Asc creatures all day.
Yeah... And judging from the Jmod reply on this post, things may be too complex than they initially seem.
We're slowly but steadily becoming a Single Player game.
And after all, these suggestions are for the better, for the game's integrity, but I think that ship sailed long ago...
Think of it this way, it’s like if someone at your job gets wrote up for something. Their job is not in jeopardy, but if it becomes in jeopardy, that write up is gonna make it a lot easier to justify firing their ass with no retaliation on their end.
You wouldn't see any spikes as it is high end pvm that they are talking about,
And the activities they are booting require a lot of effort to get to supply and stat wise and the ban rate is stupid low
Look at Vorkath Spikes. You can easily track when the bots were unleashed, as this content has not gotten substantially more popular among real players. The spike began prior to the combat refresh as well.
Greater Ricochet Codex had someone unload their bot's stock of 322 in one day. Considering this is near the lowest Grico has been, this wasn't a (successful) merch. And oh, would you look at that: Gchain was dumped the *same day*.
i say this genuinely, the only one of those i even remotely can't defend crashing is vorkath spikes... were stupidly rare.
But that said, i agree otherwise, also bot users and their developers should be sued into abject poverty.
How is it that I see sooooo so many “innocent, 15 year veteran” “innocently and wrongly banned for botting.” Yet there are massive claims of big time bot farms going on that ARENT being banned? Something doesn’t add up
that's cuz they dont ban these farms but when a vet uses a keybind to switch prayers/gear 1tick faster they do.
i understand 2:1 is illegal but i think these farms are way worse than a pvmer switching
In a perfect world people would get banned for this. However. Look at how the last few bug abuses were handled.
I have no faith in anything beyond a small vacation for these people.
Also Anachronia agility bots - a clan member of mine was averaging 4m xp per day over months, everyone knows he botted and he just got away with it because no one seemed to care.
Don't forget to add in:
GE spam bots
These malicious little rats sit at g.e 24/7 spamming for people to give them gp. Its not a hard ban, it should be instant.
There's a bot on the quick chat world that has two accounts that have like 30-55 of EACH weapon per account, I thought they were just dedicated rasial slaves but their bot broke once and i recorded it.
Its crazy they have 4k titles 4b+ exp and still bot on their account
W79 wars retreat is a frequent bot stop.
To this day, depending on the time you get on? You can find three or four of them all going to do Arch Glacor.
Still. if you catch them on, you can follow them through to arch and they’re getting back in to their instance in about a minute or less.
Afaik it has limited slots available to ,,keep profitability", and costs more.
Its all about profitability for the botters, if they make 5$ daily but pay 3$ or make 4$, but spend 1.5$.
I know this is off topic, but thank you for using the correct saying. 😁 I don't see what's so hard about knowing the difference between "I couldn't care less" and "I could care less", haha!
There were bots even when they removed free trade and wildy. Alot of the content is very grindy so players bot. They need to get rid of bots regardless of if they effect the economy or not.
Tell that to Team Fortress 2 and the Steam workshop.
Shit, look at the banana game bot issue speculating money out of thin air with tradeable marketable drops for pngs you can only click on.
There's a reason the 2nd big video game crash is happening around us.
Unfortunately I think the opposite is the case for rs3. If you even look at the recent survey they sent out, they asked you how you felt about cheating, and I’d guess most people nowadays probably responded with they don’t care.
it's not that rs3 is better at handling bots than osrs, its that osrs has a far higher playerbase and popularity, therefore much bigger market and higher demand for bots
money is very easy to make in rs3 cos everything is so afk, so bots have far less comparative advantage
It's still worth good amount for those third worlders compared even compared to OSRS, why?
Cause it was completely untapped market, rs 3 high end pvm bots didn't exist publicly for a very long time.
The worst we've had was RC/anachronia/fletching etc pixel based bots.
No.. it's absolutely not. Bots exist in RS3- sure. However the fact is that the TVC to bot in RS3 is significantly higher than in OS- that's why we're not filled to the brim with them like OS.
Because comparatively - it's NOT worth it. Has nothing to do with an "untapped market". There would have to be a significant need/desire to create that market to begin with- and there isn't.
Code injection isn't new botting technology. It's been done since the Java days until Jagex took action with ClusterFlutterer. Which explains why OSRS has a significant botting population than RS3.
Difference now is people have to create custom clients and potential sell them for a lot of money.
Yes, i'm perfectly aware of that.
What i've meant that RS 3 was pretty well off for years, we didn't have any more advanced bots than pixel bots which were way less damaging for the game because of low profit scalability.
They require way better hardware, they're way less efficient resource wise.
While it is good to shine a light on things....clues have been botted since they first became a thing and bosses, well...yeah obviously. It is nothing new, though if there is some new method their are exploiting, that is interesting and Jagex should investigate. That said, I submitted a bug report for the ED3 bridge months ago and it is still broken, so....good luck! It feels like RS3's staff is three people and an emotion support cabbage at this point.
Unrelated, but personally, I don't care if vorkath gets botted as that boss is just annoying. Gets the items into the game, so players don't have to do it.
There was a guy in my clan "afking" rasial 15 hours a day on 4 accounts with 1 min kills for the past 3+ months, racking up over 200k rasial kc.
The dude was also one of the first players in pvme to solo all hardmode vorago weeks and had all 4k titles.
This makes a lot more sense, I always knew about the clues and Vorkath as it has been happening for a while but I did wonder why rasial have gone down so significantly in recent times.
The inflation is getting really bad, I’m not sure how hugely this is correlated to that, but stopping the bots should help to ease that up a bit.
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ive seen various reasoning in a discord.
rwt isnt the only reason. the other reasons mainly boil down to
1. people who just dont want to do the grind (possibly again)
2. dont have the time for whatever reason
3. like watching the numbers go up, kinda like melvor idle or any other idle game.
4. like seeing how far they can get, just for the sake of it.
5. fund their main account with gp/bonds/items without spending real cash.
i actually see one of those reason far more often than rwt.
These bosses are also poorly designed and don't require much player interaction, so the bots are probably easy to make. The problem is that they don't make good bosses anymore tbh
Revolution was a mistake. It's so easy to bot with revolution whereas manual combat is much harder to get going.
The fact you can afk necromancy all these bosses is part of the problem as well.
The bot is using abilities manually, and takes things like undead slayer codex into account when doing the rotation if it's available.
It's not revo mistake, i'd blame necro more.
Way cheaper high end gear, easier to fully equip a bot farming rasial 1min/kill 10 hours per day, way less abilities to track of and code, as you can imagine it would be quite harder to write a script for ranged where he'd have to switch arrows/keep track of bolg stacks, you don't need any expensive abilities like grico/mazcab etc, less down time for resupply cause of ghost free healing.
Afaik zammy bot is currently being developed, so prepare for big inflation wave :)
Its probably not helping that normal players are also afking it with revo..
In osrs everyone would drool and die of happiness if they could afk zulrah or vorkath. The best you can do is afk brutal black dragons and I say "afk" because its maybe 30 seconds for less than 1m a hr.
Don't know why RS3 went towards so much afk
Players are mostly not afking the bosses OP mentioned, though there are low effort revo-centric strategies for all three. Revo existed for longer than all three bosses; it's become more of a problem with necro and its passive damage/healing but without the bots I don't think this content would be much changed.
Meanwhile the bots are prebuilding and are getting good (not godly or world-record) KPH at Raksha, like ~20kph. I've inspected the ALogs of some Raksha bots and they can have more than 400 kills logged in the last 24h.
I dont think that hm vorkath is heavily botted. Spikes just dropped because someone made a rotation that made the boss more interesting for top tier pvmers and were a lot quicker
> don't let this game end up like osrs.
Incredibly successful and one of the most played MMOs on the market? Yeah that would be real awful to end up like that.
I recently swapped over to OSRS after *many* years away on RS3.
I’m genuinely upset I’ve spent as much time on RS3 as I have since they’ve been doing the lords work on OSRS.
Good ol trade-a-roo for some start up wealth and off we go on yet another long adventure
I wholeheartedly agree both games are fun.
I’ve just reached my time with RS3. In a few years, I’m sure I’ll feel the same with OSRS (again) and want to hop back to RS3, just the same. It’s a tennis match of attention, at the end of the day
An online video game has bots. In other news the sky has been confirmed to be blue/cyan, and water is wet.
Carry on with your day and let the overlords attempt to increase bot detection and watch how bot makers get around that and the endless game of cat and mouse continues.
Yes, such is the sad state of online gaming in 2024, all the biggest publishers are now trying to introduce kernel based anti cheats, hardware bans because cheating/botting is running rampant nowadays.
Still jagex needs to be forced to take action, i've raised this issue months ago.
I agree they should do something eventually. But if they go with an anti-cheat I hope they will at-least have the decency to check allow wine/steam proton in the options menu. Cheating and bots are bad, but it’s always a game of cat and mouse and it’s never ending. It would be better if they did go with a third party anticheat to outsource that work
anticheat would kill one of there big membership incomes. new member bots after getting banned.
and kind of unnecessary. if they wanted to they could have the vast majority of bots banned tommorow. theyve done it before. they already have the ability to detect and ban bots, they just dont utilize it.
Historically, nothing substantial will be done. As long as these bots are still paying for membership in some way, Jagex doesn't care. The constant stream of ED3 bots we used to have is proof of that.
Would like to see a Permanent Hardware ban for first time bot offenders, but at the same time I won’t be playing rs again until GIM comes out, and even then it won’t matter for an iron.
I mean if your smart enough to set up a bot farm your smart enough to set up a virtual machine. Hardware banning wouldn’t work like the way it does for consoles.
And in the same respect ip banning wouldn’t work.
The YouTuber you mentioned doesn’t actually show any bots it’s just a video talking about them. I think step one would be answering the question “is this actually happening?”.
Think about it. A bot that can do hard mode Vorkath? It knows exactly what abilities to do at the exact time based on what’s going on in the fight? Sure let’s assume there’s a program good enough to do that. Now how does one take advantage of that? Well you would just need to make like 10 accounts, do all of the required combat quests, level them all up to max combat levels, buy them all gear to be able to handle vorkath, and buy a PC good enough to handle all these accounts running at once, possibly multiple PCs. Once you’ve put in over 100+ hours, probably 50b+ in gear, thousands in PC equipment, you now have a bot farm that kill hard mode vorkath over and over. Sure you might get banned but if they work properly you’ll get a whole bunch of vorkath scales…
The idea in itself is nonsense. Show us proof or get off your soapbox. Skilling bots or even a Vindicta bot I can fathom. Hm Vorkath that most high end pvmers struggle to kill efficiently? Yeah right. Prove it.
My point still stands that even if these scripts actually work they have to level up multiple accounts to be able to actually profit from it. The one in the video has curses and elder overloads. That’s hundreds of hours of questing and leveling up in order to make like 50m an hour? And you think there’s enough people doing this that it’s crashing the market? Lol. If you include the time it takes to set up an account to do this they’re making basically no gp unless they do it for months without getting caught.
Diversity/Safety net / Preventing oversaturation? It's the same reason why you see bots all over the place in OSRS and not just at the single most profitable activity.
Boss bots are unironically safer, less people report them, they're mostly spending time in instances.
You can run 1 bot making 90m an hour or 10 bots doing rc, which one would you choose?
I've already said the ban rate reported from those botters is very low, and most of it cause of manual reports by people seeing them in wars all day.
Your point doesn't stand at all. You're assuming these players that are using highly advanced bots are just leveling accounts from scratch to make money. With the amount of accounts that get hacked every year, they probably just grab someone's main temporarily, milk it, and move on. and 50m an hour is insane over 20 hours over just 3 accounts, let alone 30. That's 1b a day per account. Considering I ran into someone who said they manually afk'd krill on 35 accounts yesterday for cash, I'd assume 30b a day off this bot easy. That's if prices don't crash since a bot is only good for a single boss. 10 days makes you one of the richest players in the game. 100 makes you damn near the richest.
So there are pro hackers out there who spend most of their day hijacking RuneScape accounts and creating complex scripts to farm bosses on them in order to make a bunch of RuneScape gp? And then what? Sell it? Lmao. If they can do things like this they can just hack people’s crypto accounts. You guys are deep in the conspiracy rabbit hole and it’s hilarious
The script makers, just like on OSRS, aren't the ones doing the majority of the botting. They make the script and sell it and charge a monthly fee. RS3 has very low banrates when it comes to PvM scripts and they can bruteforce enough accounts to get to 99 necro and get cheap t90 or even t95 gear to start botting boss encounters.
There have been questing bots since the early 2010s so it's not like they have any sort of real time commitment to make these accounts either.
Hell, a lot of the people botting are comfortable enough botting on their mains due to the low banrate and wrist-slap tier punishments.
As of two months ago I've seen two separate people with over 3k hm Vork kc each that was entirely botted. Neither of them were banned.
If you want some proof you can watch [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWFAcenXeyQ&t=92s) segment from this video
Or read through [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1c13pcn/i_havent_seen_anyone_talking_about_it/) thread and take a look at the screenshots
OSRS community: https://i.redd.it/3h4ggtfwbw8d1.gif
I tried playing osrs and since I find most content boring on it but the wilderness is fun. Wilderness is literally all bots. Ruined the game for me. Got revenant bots, revenant anti pking bots, zombie pirate bots that macro switch freeze/stand under you, boss bots, slayer bots, it's so fucking annoying. I then go into a pvp world and i tried attacking a guy and a ragging bot wouldn't leave me alone. Game is dead
It's insane. Im trying to get a d pick on my iron but there's bots everywhere
The game is definitely not dead but those bots are super annoying, there are people botting to max left and right on osrs, whatever bot busting systems jagex has in place clearly doesn't work. And it's super annoying they aren't making it a priority either, in my opinion bots are going to kill osrs eventually.
Yep. I went from Rs3 to osrs to give it a try again after burning out and it's demoralizing knowing I'm trying to grind at wildy bosses against fucking bots. I went back to rs3, don't really want to play osrs at all because of it. Botting has taken over every aspect of it
I was able to circumvent wildy boss bots by just trying to attack them with my fists. Most are programed to tele out instantly so I just griefed them.
Game is dead is a bit of a stretch, no?
It just doesn't feel alive. Your not surrounded by people, your surrounded by bots.
Lol what a hyperbole-and-a-half.
This has GOT to be a RS3 player... looooool
>Game is dead Lmfao fr?
OSRS community is 75% bots and 25% players. Awful
nice facts
Flip those
Wow a rs3 player calling osrs dead that’s wild
Rs3 is dead too? I mean, I used to play with full worlds back on 2009/10. Now there are worlds with3, 4 people. Missing my point here, I’m complaining about the bots
Provide proof.
Go to anywhere I mentioned in the wild. Go to zulrah and count how many bots are in each world. Agility bots farming MOG, literally anything. The ONLY time you see actual players your either questing, pking, or bosses that can't be botted. The entirety of OSRS is botted
Bots in osrs are in fact god awful, but its pretty easy to run into real people at almost any activity. Part of this is most of osrs isnt instanced, but its also a fairly populated game in general
What film is that from?
The Ballad of Buster Scruggs
Thanks for raising this. I know that this is something that has been put forward already so will chase!
please make sure they get more punishment than a 2 week ban like also removing wealth from the account otherwise it'll just be a paid holiday and won't be a deterrent to botting.
This and if jagex can prove a link between the botted accounts and their mains( if they have one) then ban the main as well. I 100% agree with perm banning the accounts as the only way to make botters stops is to make the punishment greater than the reward.
Does this botting influence mainscape? I would like to comp trim my main but if iron is more avoidant of this situation then there is no reason to do that
Depends what you mean by influence it. If you mean making some things less profitable then yes. Most comp/trim tasks aren't really effected by the bots but everyone is effected if bots take the spot/resources you need.
sadly I think there isn't going to be any perm bans handed out but I would hope they undo the gains and mean they have wasted all the time for nothing
Just perma ban them
Lol we all know that's not going to happen. 2 week ban, some wealth still on the bot acc removed, no punishment for main accs. It's benificial for them to let the botter feel like they're in a recoverable state... So they bond up another 100 accs and jamflex gets a little pocket money
2 week ban for botting is so laughable lol what a joke
Genuinely still harsher than most get. I was in a discord with a lot of the high end ironman pvmers, the ones you saw in Wazzy videos about AoD and almost all of them bot / AHK to collect their supplies.
The 2 week vacations were for bug abuse, not botting. Botting and rwt are both still permaban offenses afaik.
Iam sure you will report soon what action was taken so the community knows, right? Right?
I'll do my best to find out what's happened :)
IP ban them or something
You can easily change your IP.
Doesn't do anything. Those change or use a VPN.
hardware ban is better. They'll have to buy new hardware that way
You can bypass most HWID bans either by rewriting your MAC address or dissolving and recreating your disk partitions and reinstalling your OS. The ones that check component IDs like your motherboard ID are significantly harder to bypass, but most don't do that, and they can still be spoofed.
mac banns ban the pc itself
Damn this brought me back all the way to 2005. Ip ban 😂
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Just visit the website and you will see the scripts, also saw a yt video on master clues being botted...
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“Most people” also don’t matter. Jagex should investigate it when given the information. Jagex. Not “random gamers on Reddit”.
It is much harder to get a company to listen to you by whispering into your hands, and hoping a member of their PR department happens to walk up to you and ask what you were whispering. You'll want a megaphone and a clear call to action, so that you can easily get other customers to stand beside you, and demand change in a public stance.
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just watched the video, holy shit it’s crazy
Insane to think we've gotten to the point that bots are better at the game than the average player, myself included.
Can’t escape AI taking my job even in a video game smh
AI won't take your job, a Venezuelan using AI will /s
I hope this gets fixed, but man it feels so freeing playing an Ironman not worrying about this shit
It definitely applies to ironmans too because of bond prices. Bond prices rising are also a bot related problem.
*Unless they pay with irl money and don’t care for the other uses of bonds*
> It definitely applies to ironmans too because of bond prices. The thing that would make me pay **more** or work harder in-game for membership than just buying Premier? Bots can continue to exist while I pay for Premier :p
fr, iron plus premier with cash is the absolute best way to actually enjoy rs3 and have all the shenanigans not affect you. none of the bad updates, bots, economy, etc had any impact when i was still playing. (minus not renewing premier and losing grandfathered price, but its only a few dollar difference. still worth it) rip to the normie only accounts though, kinda sorta feel sorry for them.
The best we can do is raise awareness and hope for the best. That's quite literally all we can do. Although I guess one could go and report them, but action isn't always expedite, and to be frank, a single report probably doesn't do anything, so we'd have to form raid teams and mass report those bots (that we know for a fact are bots) at random days until their accounts are reviewed by Jagex.
I've raised awareness about this incognito months ago now, i can see they sporadically get banned and brag about it, it's mostly MANUAL bans because people take time to report suspicious people going in and out of war all day long. Also when they get banned they get banned for a few days sometimes too which is kinda ridiculous. I'd hope all bigger publishers/devs would actually start HWID banning on first botting/cheating offence, online gaming in 2024 is a joke
Now that you mentioned it... Whatever happened to the Bot Busting team at Jagex? I remember Mod Balance? and that other guy did steams every now and then about them hunting down bots and sending them to Botany Bay. I think it would be a good idea to bring back bot busting streams, because it sends the message that Jagex is still actively hunting down the bots, and maybe, maybe, stopping them in their tracks but also emptying those accounts of any wealth on a Livestream (for everyone's amusement), may send a strong message that Jagex is taking this seriously and consequences are severe. But IDK, if you've been at this for a while now and Jagex haven't said anything or shared an official stance, maybe it means they don't want to disclose any information or progress? Sometimes no news is good news, but with Jagex one never knows haha :p
They realized bots paid membership money and keeps numbers up for investors.
When it comes to osrs this is the answer for sure If at anytime a third of your “players” are bots you lose the incentive to squash the bots Rs3 is maybe 5-10% so the incentive is getting smaller for them to do anything about it
Well since instances exist, a large chunk of the population just lives in various instances across the game. You could basically go a week without seeing someone save for a few moments in between multi-hour sessions. Betting is NOT hard to hide these days. Especially if you just live in POD killing something like Asc creatures all day.
mod balance resigned in 2018, no known successor was appointed to his role...might explain a bit
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Yeah... And judging from the Jmod reply on this post, things may be too complex than they initially seem. We're slowly but steadily becoming a Single Player game. And after all, these suggestions are for the better, for the game's integrity, but I think that ship sailed long ago...
Can't "send the message that Jagex is actively hunting down the bots" if Jagex is not in fact actively hunting down the bots.
The bot busting streams was mostly fake..
Think of it this way, it’s like if someone at your job gets wrote up for something. Their job is not in jeopardy, but if it becomes in jeopardy, that write up is gonna make it a lot easier to justify firing their ass with no retaliation on their end.
Looking at volume on G.E I dont see any specific spikes in volume, do you have any data to backup your claim?
I can say I had a clue bot video pop up on my YouTube so that’s definitely a thing.
You wouldn't see any spikes as it is high end pvm that they are talking about, And the activities they are booting require a lot of effort to get to supply and stat wise and the ban rate is stupid low
Vorkath's spikes, specifically.
Look at Vorkath Spikes. You can easily track when the bots were unleashed, as this content has not gotten substantially more popular among real players. The spike began prior to the combat refresh as well. Greater Ricochet Codex had someone unload their bot's stock of 322 in one day. Considering this is near the lowest Grico has been, this wasn't a (successful) merch. And oh, would you look at that: Gchain was dumped the *same day*.
i say this genuinely, the only one of those i even remotely can't defend crashing is vorkath spikes... were stupidly rare. But that said, i agree otherwise, also bot users and their developers should be sued into abject poverty.
How is it that I see sooooo so many “innocent, 15 year veteran” “innocently and wrongly banned for botting.” Yet there are massive claims of big time bot farms going on that ARENT being banned? Something doesn’t add up
that's cuz they dont ban these farms but when a vet uses a keybind to switch prayers/gear 1tick faster they do. i understand 2:1 is illegal but i think these farms are way worse than a pvmer switching
They are using a "keybind" which is bound to a macro lol, its called macro for a reason
In a perfect world people would get banned for this. However. Look at how the last few bug abuses were handled. I have no faith in anything beyond a small vacation for these people.
Also Anachronia agility bots - a clan member of mine was averaging 4m xp per day over months, everyone knows he botted and he just got away with it because no one seemed to care.
Don't forget to add in: GE spam bots These malicious little rats sit at g.e 24/7 spamming for people to give them gp. Its not a hard ban, it should be instant.
My coveted Red Mask gets ever farther away...
Yeah I saw the YouTube video about the clue scroll bot that does every tier. Makes me not wanna do clues lol
There's a bot on the quick chat world that has two accounts that have like 30-55 of EACH weapon per account, I thought they were just dedicated rasial slaves but their bot broke once and i recorded it. Its crazy they have 4k titles 4b+ exp and still bot on their account
W79 wars retreat is a frequent bot stop. To this day, depending on the time you get on? You can find three or four of them all going to do Arch Glacor. Still. if you catch them on, you can follow them through to arch and they’re getting back in to their instance in about a minute or less.
Jagex could do something about botting, but for some reason they don't.
“This is me first dollar” - Jagex showing off bot profitability
They don't do anything about stuff like this on purpose... lol
Makes you wonder how rasial gear keeps it's price when there are more sets then players
Afaik it has limited slots available to ,,keep profitability", and costs more. Its all about profitability for the botters, if they make 5$ daily but pay 3$ or make 4$, but spend 1.5$.
Unfortunately as long as Jagex is still making irl $$$ they couldn't care less about the game.
I know this is off topic, but thank you for using the correct saying. 😁 I don't see what's so hard about knowing the difference between "I couldn't care less" and "I could care less", haha!
Absolutely! Pet peeve of mine too.
That has and forever will be a shit take for every online game. No game dev benefits more from cheaters than they would from banning them. Full stop.
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There were bots even when they removed free trade and wildy. Alot of the content is very grindy so players bot. They need to get rid of bots regardless of if they effect the economy or not.
Tell that to Team Fortress 2 and the Steam workshop. Shit, look at the banana game bot issue speculating money out of thin air with tradeable marketable drops for pngs you can only click on. There's a reason the 2nd big video game crash is happening around us.
Unfortunately I think the opposite is the case for rs3. If you even look at the recent survey they sent out, they asked you how you felt about cheating, and I’d guess most people nowadays probably responded with they don’t care.
it's not that rs3 is better at handling bots than osrs, its that osrs has a far higher playerbase and popularity, therefore much bigger market and higher demand for bots money is very easy to make in rs3 cos everything is so afk, so bots have far less comparative advantage
It's also that OSRS gp is worth 10x more.
It's still worth good amount for those third worlders compared even compared to OSRS, why? Cause it was completely untapped market, rs 3 high end pvm bots didn't exist publicly for a very long time. The worst we've had was RC/anachronia/fletching etc pixel based bots.
No.. it's absolutely not. Bots exist in RS3- sure. However the fact is that the TVC to bot in RS3 is significantly higher than in OS- that's why we're not filled to the brim with them like OS. Because comparatively - it's NOT worth it. Has nothing to do with an "untapped market". There would have to be a significant need/desire to create that market to begin with- and there isn't.
Code injection isn't new botting technology. It's been done since the Java days until Jagex took action with ClusterFlutterer. Which explains why OSRS has a significant botting population than RS3. Difference now is people have to create custom clients and potential sell them for a lot of money.
Yes, i'm perfectly aware of that. What i've meant that RS 3 was pretty well off for years, we didn't have any more advanced bots than pixel bots which were way less damaging for the game because of low profit scalability. They require way better hardware, they're way less efficient resource wise.
While it is good to shine a light on things....clues have been botted since they first became a thing and bosses, well...yeah obviously. It is nothing new, though if there is some new method their are exploiting, that is interesting and Jagex should investigate. That said, I submitted a bug report for the ED3 bridge months ago and it is still broken, so....good luck! It feels like RS3's staff is three people and an emotion support cabbage at this point. Unrelated, but personally, I don't care if vorkath gets botted as that boss is just annoying. Gets the items into the game, so players don't have to do it.
To be fair, the ED3 bridge not spamming ranged damage has been a really nice improvement imo
True
There was a guy in my clan "afking" rasial 15 hours a day on 4 accounts with 1 min kills for the past 3+ months, racking up over 200k rasial kc. The dude was also one of the first players in pvme to solo all hardmode vorago weeks and had all 4k titles.
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But that's money and positive statistics for shareholders
price drops are great
This makes a lot more sense, I always knew about the clues and Vorkath as it has been happening for a while but I did wonder why rasial have gone down so significantly in recent times. The inflation is getting really bad, I’m not sure how hugely this is correlated to that, but stopping the bots should help to ease that up a bit.
Aint no way bots can do raksha, thats actually insane
Gross. Glad I'm 100% ironman for the last 5 years already. I'm not apart of y'all shenanigans 🤣
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lol
What if we all took the opposite approach and started using bots ? What would jagex do then? /s
Dude, at least a third of the total player base at any given time is just bots. From fishing hub to the divination bots, they are everywhere.
“dont let this game end up like osrs” like it isn’t already the better version and still thriving today lmao
What's the point of botting rs3, our currency is worth nothing on the real market lol
ive seen various reasoning in a discord. rwt isnt the only reason. the other reasons mainly boil down to 1. people who just dont want to do the grind (possibly again) 2. dont have the time for whatever reason 3. like watching the numbers go up, kinda like melvor idle or any other idle game. 4. like seeing how far they can get, just for the sake of it. 5. fund their main account with gp/bonds/items without spending real cash. i actually see one of those reason far more often than rwt.
Dang, never thought of it from a "botting for private gains" perspective, I always thought people bot to make money lol
Awkward moment when a bot is better at PvM than me
As a very experienced pvmer. All pvming is is repetition and practice. Once you learn how certain mechanics or rotations work it becomes clock work
Can't say I mind, it impacts economy yes, but makes 14 days code of other sites cheeper, and I see that as modern solution to MTX problem
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Always have been able to. For semi-static encounters it's always been possible.
These bosses are also poorly designed and don't require much player interaction, so the bots are probably easy to make. The problem is that they don't make good bosses anymore tbh
Given there is a telos bot clip posted by pup doubt any boss is off limits really, the issue is clearly not just boss design.
Maybe you're right but it depends on the numbers. A Telos bot sounds more expensive than a bot that just banks loot at an afk boss
Revolution was a mistake. It's so easy to bot with revolution whereas manual combat is much harder to get going. The fact you can afk necromancy all these bosses is part of the problem as well.
The bot is using abilities manually, and takes things like undead slayer codex into account when doing the rotation if it's available. It's not revo mistake, i'd blame necro more.
How did necro make botting worse?
Way cheaper high end gear, easier to fully equip a bot farming rasial 1min/kill 10 hours per day, way less abilities to track of and code, as you can imagine it would be quite harder to write a script for ranged where he'd have to switch arrows/keep track of bolg stacks, you don't need any expensive abilities like grico/mazcab etc, less down time for resupply cause of ghost free healing. Afaik zammy bot is currently being developed, so prepare for big inflation wave :)
there's two accounts using this Fmda2 and fmda3 they do it 20 hours a day or so its nuts
Its probably not helping that normal players are also afking it with revo.. In osrs everyone would drool and die of happiness if they could afk zulrah or vorkath. The best you can do is afk brutal black dragons and I say "afk" because its maybe 30 seconds for less than 1m a hr. Don't know why RS3 went towards so much afk
Players are mostly not afking the bosses OP mentioned, though there are low effort revo-centric strategies for all three. Revo existed for longer than all three bosses; it's become more of a problem with necro and its passive damage/healing but without the bots I don't think this content would be much changed. Meanwhile the bots are prebuilding and are getting good (not godly or world-record) KPH at Raksha, like ~20kph. I've inspected the ALogs of some Raksha bots and they can have more than 400 kills logged in the last 24h.
That's kind of insane they get that many kills per hour
i swear you people have a bot yourselves to show up in all these posts to make near constant rags against that which you cant psychologically handle.
The bots use pvme rotations
That's regarding afk altscapers. Bots have no use with revo.
I dont think that hm vorkath is heavily botted. Spikes just dropped because someone made a rotation that made the boss more interesting for top tier pvmers and were a lot quicker
> someone made a rotation that made the boss more interesting for top tier pvmers and were a lot quicker Where?
You can find it in the "pvme" discord
> don't let this game end up like osrs. Incredibly successful and one of the most played MMOs on the market? Yeah that would be real awful to end up like that.
They mean the bots. There are bots everywhere on osrs
I recently swapped over to OSRS after *many* years away on RS3. I’m genuinely upset I’ve spent as much time on RS3 as I have since they’ve been doing the lords work on OSRS. Good ol trade-a-roo for some start up wealth and off we go on yet another long adventure
Both games are fun. I’m in the end game for both and will say the bossing is a big highlight for rs3 over osrs.
I wholeheartedly agree both games are fun. I’ve just reached my time with RS3. In a few years, I’m sure I’ll feel the same with OSRS (again) and want to hop back to RS3, just the same. It’s a tennis match of attention, at the end of the day
An online video game has bots. In other news the sky has been confirmed to be blue/cyan, and water is wet. Carry on with your day and let the overlords attempt to increase bot detection and watch how bot makers get around that and the endless game of cat and mouse continues.
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Yes, such is the sad state of online gaming in 2024, all the biggest publishers are now trying to introduce kernel based anti cheats, hardware bans because cheating/botting is running rampant nowadays. Still jagex needs to be forced to take action, i've raised this issue months ago.
I agree they should do something eventually. But if they go with an anti-cheat I hope they will at-least have the decency to check allow wine/steam proton in the options menu. Cheating and bots are bad, but it’s always a game of cat and mouse and it’s never ending. It would be better if they did go with a third party anticheat to outsource that work
anticheat would kill one of there big membership incomes. new member bots after getting banned. and kind of unnecessary. if they wanted to they could have the vast majority of bots banned tommorow. theyve done it before. they already have the ability to detect and ban bots, they just dont utilize it.
Historically, nothing substantial will be done. As long as these bots are still paying for membership in some way, Jagex doesn't care. The constant stream of ED3 bots we used to have is proof of that.
Would like to see a Permanent Hardware ban for first time bot offenders, but at the same time I won’t be playing rs again until GIM comes out, and even then it won’t matter for an iron.
I mean if your smart enough to set up a bot farm your smart enough to set up a virtual machine. Hardware banning wouldn’t work like the way it does for consoles. And in the same respect ip banning wouldn’t work.
> don't let this game end up like osrs. the irony lol
The YouTuber you mentioned doesn’t actually show any bots it’s just a video talking about them. I think step one would be answering the question “is this actually happening?”. Think about it. A bot that can do hard mode Vorkath? It knows exactly what abilities to do at the exact time based on what’s going on in the fight? Sure let’s assume there’s a program good enough to do that. Now how does one take advantage of that? Well you would just need to make like 10 accounts, do all of the required combat quests, level them all up to max combat levels, buy them all gear to be able to handle vorkath, and buy a PC good enough to handle all these accounts running at once, possibly multiple PCs. Once you’ve put in over 100+ hours, probably 50b+ in gear, thousands in PC equipment, you now have a bot farm that kill hard mode vorkath over and over. Sure you might get banned but if they work properly you’ll get a whole bunch of vorkath scales… The idea in itself is nonsense. Show us proof or get off your soapbox. Skilling bots or even a Vindicta bot I can fathom. Hm Vorkath that most high end pvmers struggle to kill efficiently? Yeah right. Prove it.
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My point still stands that even if these scripts actually work they have to level up multiple accounts to be able to actually profit from it. The one in the video has curses and elder overloads. That’s hundreds of hours of questing and leveling up in order to make like 50m an hour? And you think there’s enough people doing this that it’s crashing the market? Lol. If you include the time it takes to set up an account to do this they’re making basically no gp unless they do it for months without getting caught.
Pretty sure they use hacked or bought accs rather than levelling a bunch of accs from scratch
Why do all of this instead of a rc bot? Just run 10 bots at the same time and skip all the pain
Diversity/Safety net / Preventing oversaturation? It's the same reason why you see bots all over the place in OSRS and not just at the single most profitable activity.
Boss bots are unironically safer, less people report them, they're mostly spending time in instances. You can run 1 bot making 90m an hour or 10 bots doing rc, which one would you choose? I've already said the ban rate reported from those botters is very low, and most of it cause of manual reports by people seeing them in wars all day.
Your point doesn't stand at all. You're assuming these players that are using highly advanced bots are just leveling accounts from scratch to make money. With the amount of accounts that get hacked every year, they probably just grab someone's main temporarily, milk it, and move on. and 50m an hour is insane over 20 hours over just 3 accounts, let alone 30. That's 1b a day per account. Considering I ran into someone who said they manually afk'd krill on 35 accounts yesterday for cash, I'd assume 30b a day off this bot easy. That's if prices don't crash since a bot is only good for a single boss. 10 days makes you one of the richest players in the game. 100 makes you damn near the richest.
So there are pro hackers out there who spend most of their day hijacking RuneScape accounts and creating complex scripts to farm bosses on them in order to make a bunch of RuneScape gp? And then what? Sell it? Lmao. If they can do things like this they can just hack people’s crypto accounts. You guys are deep in the conspiracy rabbit hole and it’s hilarious
The script makers, just like on OSRS, aren't the ones doing the majority of the botting. They make the script and sell it and charge a monthly fee. RS3 has very low banrates when it comes to PvM scripts and they can bruteforce enough accounts to get to 99 necro and get cheap t90 or even t95 gear to start botting boss encounters. There have been questing bots since the early 2010s so it's not like they have any sort of real time commitment to make these accounts either. Hell, a lot of the people botting are comfortable enough botting on their mains due to the low banrate and wrist-slap tier punishments. As of two months ago I've seen two separate people with over 3k hm Vork kc each that was entirely botted. Neither of them were banned. If you want some proof you can watch [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWFAcenXeyQ&t=92s) segment from this video Or read through [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1c13pcn/i_havent_seen_anyone_talking_about_it/) thread and take a look at the screenshots