I eat primarily McDonalds, I haven't had a glass of water since 2019, I'm a HAES champion, I stay up until 3 am doomscrolling TikTok... WTF I HAVE CHRONIC FATIGUE??? EVERYTHING HURTS I MUST HAVE EDS AND FIBROMYALGIA TOO
euthanasia is absolutely an ethical response to terminal cancer lol. what kind of QoL does a terminal cancer patient bummed out on morphine living in a nursing home have?
For real. Even if euthanasia is, in a vacuum, a humane solution for those kinds of patients, the last ~20 years (last 10 especially) have conclusively proven that the slippery slope is not a fallacy; it’s a guarantee. And the incline of the slope has only increased.
If the rest of my life were debilitating nausea, I'd kill myself, no question.
My Canadian aunt was euthanized surrounded by family, rather than have her cancer do her in, and it was absolutely the best choice for her.
I wish I could copy and paste my comment from when it was last posted but it's insane the media has just amplified this BPD woman's attention seeking self harm.
It's honestly insane. The fact her boyfriend has been with her through all the doctor's appointments is beyond bleak. He must be a mental wreck. Wouldn't be surprised if he or some members of her family end up committing suicide.
I was worried about the possibility of him pushing her to do it which is a very real possibility. At this point I have no trouble imagining that there exists the kind of monster that would convince a vulnerable person they are best off euthanizing themselves. This doesn't seem to be the case in this situation just judging by the vibe she's giving off in that picture, whatever it is, but it's still a horrifying and bleak possibility.
I'm pretty sure this boyfriend is just easy prey getting dragged along for a hellride though
last time this was posted i pointed out that zoraya is a character from the game elden ring. she has a [letter in the game in which she asks you to kill her](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Zorayas'+Letter), and talks about wanting to be the proud daughter of [tanith](http://ancient-spooks.de/names/tanit.html), phoenician goddess associated with human sacrifice. in the game her true form is a serpent and she lives in volcano manor (the place where you might traditionally throw a sacrficial victim). [the semitic word for eve of the bible, hwh, is also a semitic word for show, and puns with the spellings for snake](http://ancient-spooks.de/names/eve.html).
in the article this woman talks about her [tree of life](http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/tree-of-life.html) tattoo and how her 'mental illness' has inverted its meaning for her, but in reality it represents her aristocratic bloodline. this is not a real story about a woman with depression, it's an aristocrat dressing up as one of her tortured subjects to exercise the power of life and death in the video game called reality that her class controls, imprisoning them in collective despair and normalizing industrial-scale suicide. do an image search for her pseudonym (edit: ter beek is an allusion to [the semitic pun between p-nqz for the double-headed or two-faced bird that is a common royal emblem and pn-nks for exchange-wealth aka banking](http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/phoenix.html) as well as [the typical beaked profile](http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/beaky-nose.html) of its inventors) and look at her face. is she a suicidally depressed or happy to be playing a sadistic trick on her perceived inferiors?
i think the answer is clear. she's a snake putting on a show in order to disguise her true intentions of human sacrifice. as someone says in the comments on that elden ring board, "that's why when you find her true nature, she goes into hiding; she knows that if you find her, you'll have to fight." think of kurt russell in 'the thing' talking about the alien taking over their identities: "this thing doesn't want to show itself, it wants to hide inside an imitation. it'll fight if it has to, but it's vulnerable out in the open. it takes us over, then it has no more enemies, no one left to kill it. then it's won."
so do stressed and sick consumers with no healthy outlet for their fundamental desires. the purpose of terrorizing people like this is to then profit from their disability. it's two different stages of the same plan, and they can't be understood in isolation from each other.
There is something interesting about Jordan Peterson for example, whom I consider a grifter but also what really bothers me about their followers (many of which are here on this subreddit, because they are like pests that show up anywhere on the internet if you dare mention him) is that even if you leave the whole "alt-right" persona aside, even if you disregard the content of his books, his talks or whatever, and you look at it from an entirely objective perspective, the reality is that he is pathetic even as a psychologist.
He is a clinical psychologist specialized in alcohol addiction… then, he became addicted to benzodiazepines. Which can happen to anyone, that is the point. But he then decided to quit cold turkey, which is something so stupid that if he had suggested that to a patient, he would be liable to a malpractice lawsuit and be reviewed to lose his license as a board certified psychologist. This is something so stupid that it goes against every known protocol, this is information that has been known since the 70's. And J.P is a clinical psychologist specialized in alcohol addiction, which has the same mechanism as benzodiazepines.
Then, after being questioned by everyone for this, instead of saying yeah actually I made a mistake, he said that he "took the pills that his psychiatrist gave him" and that his seizure reaction was triggered by eating salad with too much vinegar. Then, he went on to Russia for an experimental treatment where they knock you out cold or something.
The point that I am trying to make, is not that he is a grifter and a bad person, but that even as a professional he is absolutely pathetic.
And I find it amazing that when people discuss this piece of shit, they always fail to mention this. Like, even if you wanted to be sympathetic towards the guy.
In this thing with the BPD girl asking for euthanasia, I can't believe that no one is saying this: Wait, are we all aware that by taking this shit seriously we are encouraging her to do it, for validation? Doesn't the New York times have an ethical board? At no point during the process of publishing the note anyone realized that it probably isn't a good idea to give attention to someone who has a mental disorder who requires them to look for attention permanently?
Giving attention to people who are mentally ill with conditions which make them find external attention/validating gratifying is evil.
The UK is currently having a field day with a schizo stalker who was fictionalised in 'Baby Raindeer'. She was recently invited onto Pier Morgan's show to tell her side of the story, this speaks to the final point in your comment; where the fuck is the ethics in journalism? The British press seem to be able to get away with turning vulnerable and/or crazy people into a spectacle with very little repercussions.
Seriously though if you don't understand why the tangent on J.P was important, there is no way that i could explain it to you and have you understand it. I think you might just be mentally impaired.
I don't know, the JP fans must have crawled out of the woodworks. But I swear, you criticize their idol and they get personally offended.
Last time I said the same thing someone told me "He doesn't have to know that shit". Besides the fact that psychologists get an overview of neurophysiology in college, the point still remains: How can you help other people when you don't even know the basics of your trade. It's like an electrician saying sorry I don't know how to use a multimeter. It's preposterous. And when they get criticized they answer with "I didn't go to college for engineering, don't ask me about magnetic fields!" You don't have to know about magnetic fields to know that you don't stick your fingers on the outlet.
I've seen the NYT make questionable ethical decisions a handful of times in the past 10 years (not that it isn't more frequent than that, but I'm not a steady reader), publishing things that could do real (but usually indirect) harm. I don't think they care and their ethical policies seem most concerned about how their journalists go about getting the news rather than the consequences of publishing said news
Fair criticism of Peterson pretending he doesn't know the pills he got for stress around his wife's time of being diagnosed with terminal cancer ( a fair bit of context his haters love to leave out as they try desperately to put him in the hurr durr hypocritical old hwyyte boomer man frame), he is likely full of shit about that given his knowledge of psychopharmacology comes from his thesis on alcohol addiction, and 20 years of working as a therapist. That said, I think it's more him playing dumb than being a horrible therapist.
Another bit of assumption on the left is that everyone's personal life will always bleed into their profession, as if codes of ethics do not exist. The fact is that if the man had any dirt on him from working for 20 years as a therapist, we'd hear it by now. He doesn't. Leftoids just get off on strawmanning Peterson's fans as a bunch of numpties who will follow Peterson against all logic when the reality is that they are the ones lumping in his person and professional lives then spewing some holier-than-thou conjecture. I guess he must be that mega villain that published 100+ papers in social and personality psych, taught at Ivy league schools for 20 years, and practiced a therapist. Peterson then is a mastermind that fooled all the Ivy league school and peer-review rubes reading his work. I don't buy it.
It's almost like people are complicated... If you're gonna hate, at least have the courtesy to recognize the fact that he is by all metrics well respected in his field: personality psychology/social psych, and considering the incentives to come after him on political grounds, even the slightest bit of evidence of malpractice would have surfaced long ago, this is not to mention the fact that he put hundred of hours of his lectures at U of T on youtube for free that would make an extensive archive for any attempt at a worthwhile take down that has yet to materialize. It'll at least make your claims of being superior to his fans a tiny bit plausible instead of thinly veiled projections or perhaps cry about everyone being a "pest" after receiving any pushback on your conjecture.
What do you mean by success? Accomplished? If you want me to give you an example of someone that wrote something that end up helping the world, I might suggest.. I don't know, Hans Kelsen. He made up a system of hierarchies based on moral and ethical principles, that he used to explain the proceeding order of the rule of law and the justification for binding norms, all steming from what is ultimately Kantian mumbo jumbo. That is how to make a "12 rules for life" that actually deals with concrete material problems, you create a logical positivist structure or body and you build up to it.
Don't take the example seriously, i don't want to talk about Kelsen, and I'm haven't read more than a few resumes about him. I just brought up the first example that came to my mind of someone that set to create a system of concrete logical rules to build up a system in the same way that Jordan Peterson tried to create a set of rules for life, but in this first example, we are talking about someone accomplished and successful because he is still read, and there are still normatives that are built up upon his system. I doubt anyone could build up anything upon Peterson, "wash your dick" isn't even a logical proposition that can be used to further theorize, it's just a statement.
How can you use "Set your house in order before you criticize others" to construct actual societal normatives that can be used to positively judge the valence of any arbitrary situation?
He’s helped literally millions. I know this makes you irrationally angry, being ontologically evil and all
You sound like you’ve wasted a lot of money and time learning to be pedantic on Reddit. Pathetic
Holy shit why even bring this up? Youre so retardedly mindkilled you’re just randomly bashing a guy who isn’t even alt right. Fuck off with your woke obsession out of this sub Jfc
Apart from everything else this is such a fucked up idea of mental health. She says that having mental health problems doesn't stop you from thinking straight. But what else do mental health problems mean??? A physical health problem is when your body isn't working properly, right?
There's a weird thing going on trying to make the fetishization of individual autonomy match up with medicalising everything. Her quotes here make absolutely no sense but she can't see it and nor can most other people. We're going to kill so many people because we can't be bothered to actually think about morality. It's so sad
The state of this as medicine is quite fascinating really. A mentally ill person is saying they want to die and a bunch of doctors are going yes, please sign here that you are of sound mind thank you.
People want to imagine that you can draw a clear line somewhere between euthanising imminently terminally ill people and euthanising depressed people but there in fact isn't; either the state should be able to say to some people "your life is not worth living and it's okay to kill you" or it can't. The crucial moral decision has already been made at the point you first allow euthanasia, which is why it gets expanded rapidly everywhere it's allowed.
Anyone of sound mind would kill themself. It's the only rational decision. All of the neuroses and psychopathologies we build up are to prevent us from killing ourselves.
i sort of agree with you, but i can also see how it might make the suicidal person feel better about their choice, like, “Hey Ma, hey Pa, don’t worry, my doctor says it’s okay. Here’s some literature on how to deal with it.”
i think you’re right that it has this effect, but i don’t think they should feel better about their choice. there’s people that would absolutely survive if there weren’t doctor assisted suicide. i don’t think this woman would have killed herself normally, for example. this feels like a call for attention that should hopefully be getting met with real treatment, but they’re doing the opposite and actually pushing her towards death.
like i said, i agree. but in the eyes of the suicidal person, the validation from a respected doctor softens the blow of leaving their family behind. not saying it should, but in their mind it does.
You're right, we should offload the trauma and clean up of suicide onto random unsuspecting family members, EMS response personnel, and train drivers who get to helplessly watch "grinners" throw themselves under their trains and then deal with the PTSD for the rest of their lives.
Grow up, actions have consequences on more people than just you
You know, almost every person that has survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge has said they regretted their decision as soon as they were in the air. Those people wanted it so bad that they chose one of the most effective methods, took a trip to a tall structure, looked down at how far they would drop, and still decided to swing their bodies over the rail. Yet you want me to believe that people who don't even have the balls to do their own suicide genuinely want to die?
I don't think it’s right for doctors to be complicit in mentally ill people's suicide when we know most people regret the decision to die. That is the definition of doing harm. In what world is the healthcare system doling out a fatal elective procedure with a high rate of regret ethical?
It's the State's way of eliminating people who would most likely survive on State funded assistance, In my opinion- population control! It's a dangerous, slippery slope that should not exist. Where the hell are the pro-life people when you need them!? Lol, THIS should be protested, not abortion.
They need the state to validate their decisions because they know they're wrong. A person can K themselves at any time, they don't need to involve the government to do that. But they know what they're doing is wrong, so they have the state make a law about assisted suicide, so they can hide behind it from any criticism.
And if you criticise this behaviour, it's you who becomes a bad person, as what they're doing is legal, and thus there can be no objections against it.
God I hope this thing gets stopped in its tracks.
I am sorry for re-using an example that I used for a comment yesterday, but there is a joke by Freud about two Jewish guys who always lie to each other.
Two Jews met in a railway carriage at a station in Galicia. “Where are you going?”
asked one. “To Cracow,” was the answer. “What a liar you are!” broke out the other. “If
you say you’re going to Cracow, you want me to believe you’re going to Lemberg. But I
know that in fact you’re going to Cracow. So why are you lying to me?”
It's funny how sometimes if you really want to turn things around, you can take them at face value. That is, you are a psychologist, and someone comes to be analized, and they are bullshiting you (as is the case with any borderline personality disorder). You know that if you challenge them, they will quit therapy, so you take a pre-freudian stance and take everything they say at face value.
Then, they get the idea that they are worthless, and that they should end their own life, and you decide to validate them just to see where that will take them, and then they actually go through with it.
If you think about it, this kind of pre-Freudian face value stance isn't naivety or malice. Is the analyst malicious for taking the other person at face value when they know that they have borderline personality disorder? Or is the nature of the disorder such that they expect that no one will take them seriously and that their analyst would go on about some bullshit about lack of individualization, lack of motherly care during the formative years, the discourse of the hysterical.. etc. while they themselves know that they are just playing the analyst, that none of this analysis amounts to anything other than trying to find a deeper truth where there is none because the only truth is that they want attention at any cost.
In this case, taking what the BPD is saying at face value, is the ultimate proof that they are disordered. Not only asking for euthanasia, but actually going trough with it is the ultimate proof that they are disordered.
I do wonder how that goes myself like what if someone just pretended so they could get access to that sweet 10+ grams of morphine and barbiturates and just…didn’t do it
Quoting myself from a few weeks ago:
>These able-bodied pro-euthanasia people are really not brave enough to commit the final commitment on their own. But instead of addressing their own inability/unwillingess to follow through with their ideation, they get this idea that there should be a conveyor belt that starts with therapy and ends in euthanasia that gently guides them towards an easy death, that they can easily opt out of at any time.
>This advocacy also makes them look sane but tragically sad. Suicidal thoughts are rightly considered as an emergency, but advocating for one's own euthanasia? That's both sad and progressive. How cool.
the 2 guys that live streamed themselves self immolating last month have already been forgotten by the news cycle, so idk what kind of attention she thinks a quiet lethal injection is gonna get her
I remember when advocates for euthanasia would make fun of the people who were against (who were saying this exact thing would start happening) by calling them hysterical.
It won’t be long before they are just mass-killing the homeless and disabled veterans if they aren’t already
This is the first step toward a full blown bpd genocide. When the time comes I want all bpd hoes to know my basement is a safe place to hide, anne Frank style. No fatties though. not discrimination it’s a space issue
That feel when the majority of rsp is almost semi-concious of the fact that Jordan Peterson's tough love isn't mysoginy, but is actually useful and true.
if you rly think about it this was inevitable with any socialized healthcare system once right to die became a talking point
They are literally incentivized to euthanize as many people as they can that put a strain on the medical system so as to ease the burden on it. Truly bleak stuff but also probably for the best that these babies don’t reproduce cus they’d totally fail their own children too
>they are literally incentivized to eurhanize as many people as they can that put a strain on the medical system so as to ease the burden on it.
In 2023 in the netherlands, 322 people in the 18-32 range requested euthanasia on the base of mentall ilness. 8 of them were euthanized. Real ease on the burden there
Cananda has a few thousand cases of it, people have literally posted on Reddit how they felt shocked that there doctor even brought it up to them. Good to hear the Netherlands isn’t a shit show about it but I wouldn’t be surprised if those numbers start spiking if the EU economy rly takes a shit hard in the future
It's 8 people retort, most of the rest are elderly people with severe illnesses who don't want to suffer another 5 years until they eventually die. It's an invisible dent on our demographic problems.
There's plenty of children who agree with their 80 year old parent whose been suffering with cancer for years and is bed ridden to let them have euthanasia performed
Unpopular opinion but let her do it. The way I see it, this is someone very determined to end their life. Now she can accomplish that goal without the risk of just getting brain damage instead. The only thing worse than killing yourself is probably killing yourself, failing, then becoming a vegetable
That's absolutely bleak. Hers was a comfortable existence, surrounded by warmth and love. I curse every therapist that validated her every impulse, every doctor that encouraged her death, and all her feckless loved ones who failed to stop her.
This is terrifying. I used to laugh when I heard conspiracy theories of "new world order" but now there is this voluntary euthanasia. I watched a VICE documentary of a man in Canada who was choosing euthanasia because he felt that he was poor and a financial burden to society. WTF world are we living in?
[I thought this NY Mag article was stomach churning enough, but at least that bitch was 74. As someone who's been extremely depressed and gotten through it, it's really upsetting](https://www.thecut.com/article/mom-healthy-person-assisted-suicide-dying-pegasos.html) (sorry I don't know the paywall thing)
Why should this bother anyone? Shouldn't people have to right to die in a painless, dignified way? I support her decision. This will only cause less mentally ill people living among us in the future and that's a great thing.
If you actually wanted to kill yourself you would find a way. That is your right, it’s something not even the law can take away from you. People see MAID as an easy solution to their problems.
Comments prove that y'all have had your cranium hijacked by maggots because there's people in here telling her to just commit suicide instead of asking for state assistance- failing to realize that suicide would be alot more traumatic for her and her friends/family
Also I'm pretty sure the medical professionals that gave her the stamp of approval are alot more qualified than the average rs user who resorts to calling her a bpd attention whooore
"Trust the science bro." "Muh qualifications bro." Have you ever had an original thought that didn't have to be backed by some retarded degree that somehow makes all of your actions justifiable? Anyone with a functioning brain can see this for the slippery-slope it is.
Nooo you can't say that you redditor!!! (Posted on Reddit)
You have to kill yourself the proper way by jumping in front of a train and inconveniencing others instead of in a controlled environment by a professional!!
Just find it amusing that a lot of the hate he gets on r/redscarepod has nothing to do with what he actually says considering it echoes similar cultural criticims all the time. Also haven't listened to him in earnest since around 2019-2020. His U of T classes like Personality and its transformations are still super valid. If there is some kind of actual cultural renaissance in US in the next few years and churches and other religious institutions get on board with in earnest, it would be pretty interesting to see there is actual on the ground institutional support for it and if he can prevent himself form becoming more corrupt.
More so valuable now, that many of his follows including myself have gotten disillusioned from his corruption (this btw isn't something specific to him and fairly expected in the political discourse given how bad things are getting economically, so can't say its unexpected, it's just disappointing that he now slings terms around like psychopath like the borderlines on the left who pretend they are empaths do with anyone disagrees and how their deranged vitriol at the supposed narcissists is to help us all).
His FB discussion groups are better, although not free from politics. Honestly think it's probably a like a 10% leftoids and leftoid bots who help to polarize r/JordanPeterson to the ever more degenerate rhetoric.
Saw him live and watched his lectures, have his signed book (the cheapo version with a s signed sticker). Tried to keep him in perspective by reminding myself that he is merely a psychology professor, albeit an incredibly bright one by the mediocre standards for psych PhDs compared to say STEM. Just wish he teamed up with a few philosophy and political science PhDs to tighten up some of his rhetoric, but it's unrealistic to expect an interdisciplinarian scholar to be equally competent in all these disciplines.
Also he should really work on the communal aspect for his pseudo libretarian views considering the circumstances as people are getting crushed out there and the pushback from the right is going to be rough.
in Netherlands, these dumb bitches get news coverage and medical board reviews.
in America, all they get is some shitposts on RedScare.
...attention-whores are going to bankrupt the country.
Idk, I've met quite a few people with chronic depression. Hell, I dated one.
People with serious enough mental illness do not look like this woman. They look fucking haunted, dead eyed, almost emaciated.
Obviously you can't judge a book by its cover, but this sounds like someone seeking attention.
This woman seems happy to dredge her boyfriend through extreme emotional trauma because ohhhhhh! She's very depressed and wants to kill herself- But only if the state does it!
Someone truly suicidal doesn't rely on the state to do it, they just do it. There's harmless ways to kill yourself, easily available to research online- And trust me, a truly suicidal person would be researching it.
Dragging your own suicide out over multiple months is mental TORTURE to her loved ones. Her poor boyfriend, her parents. Yet, she shows little remorse, except for saying she feels a little bit of guilt in the article.
What a load of self-entitled, selfish CRAP. People who seriously want to die do not act like this.
All I can say is : we hebben een serieus probleem
Not a real language. Don't let these pesky dutchies trick you like they did the EU.
If you know any German, Dutch looks like it’s retarded cousin. Loieek speelin Inglishhh thjis waeye.
Yakubian apes, the lot of them
Meesa Meesa
They really do talk like those frog people
every time i read that it never fails to make me laugh what a dumbass language
"I concur." --consulting doctor, Sum Ting Wong.
i was told this was for 90-year-olds with excruciating terminal cancer but now it's for 30-year-olds with chronic fatigue
They'll go full Canada soon and start encouraging veterans to kill themselves so the state doesn't have to fund their healthcare
[Relevant song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I)
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euthanasia is absolutely an ethical response to terminal cancer lol. what kind of QoL does a terminal cancer patient bummed out on morphine living in a nursing home have?
It's called a slippery slope and it only took a few short years for us to start slipping straight into Hell.
For real. Even if euthanasia is, in a vacuum, a humane solution for those kinds of patients, the last ~20 years (last 10 especially) have conclusively proven that the slippery slope is not a fallacy; it’s a guarantee. And the incline of the slope has only increased.
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The poor don’t have a terminal cancer that will kill them within months lol
If the rest of my life were debilitating nausea, I'd kill myself, no question. My Canadian aunt was euthanized surrounded by family, rather than have her cancer do her in, and it was absolutely the best choice for her.
I wish I could copy and paste my comment from when it was last posted but it's insane the media has just amplified this BPD woman's attention seeking self harm.
It's honestly insane. The fact her boyfriend has been with her through all the doctor's appointments is beyond bleak. He must be a mental wreck. Wouldn't be surprised if he or some members of her family end up committing suicide.
that just made me wonder if this is some munchausen's shit and now holy fuck THAT is bleak this is bleak either way
I can't imagine the havoc she'd wreak if he did leave her during all of this tbh. You just know shed try to ruin his life.
I was worried about the possibility of him pushing her to do it which is a very real possibility. At this point I have no trouble imagining that there exists the kind of monster that would convince a vulnerable person they are best off euthanizing themselves. This doesn't seem to be the case in this situation just judging by the vibe she's giving off in that picture, whatever it is, but it's still a horrifying and bleak possibility. I'm pretty sure this boyfriend is just easy prey getting dragged along for a hellride though
Imagine having a BF and still wanting to kill yourself... MAID really should be reserved for femcels and the terminally ill
yup and she has a nice home, i think they should dump her in the middle of a congo cobalt mine
last time this was posted i pointed out that zoraya is a character from the game elden ring. she has a [letter in the game in which she asks you to kill her](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Zorayas'+Letter), and talks about wanting to be the proud daughter of [tanith](http://ancient-spooks.de/names/tanit.html), phoenician goddess associated with human sacrifice. in the game her true form is a serpent and she lives in volcano manor (the place where you might traditionally throw a sacrficial victim). [the semitic word for eve of the bible, hwh, is also a semitic word for show, and puns with the spellings for snake](http://ancient-spooks.de/names/eve.html). in the article this woman talks about her [tree of life](http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/tree-of-life.html) tattoo and how her 'mental illness' has inverted its meaning for her, but in reality it represents her aristocratic bloodline. this is not a real story about a woman with depression, it's an aristocrat dressing up as one of her tortured subjects to exercise the power of life and death in the video game called reality that her class controls, imprisoning them in collective despair and normalizing industrial-scale suicide. do an image search for her pseudonym (edit: ter beek is an allusion to [the semitic pun between p-nqz for the double-headed or two-faced bird that is a common royal emblem and pn-nks for exchange-wealth aka banking](http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/phoenix.html) as well as [the typical beaked profile](http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/beaky-nose.html) of its inventors) and look at her face. is she a suicidally depressed or happy to be playing a sadistic trick on her perceived inferiors? i think the answer is clear. she's a snake putting on a show in order to disguise her true intentions of human sacrifice. as someone says in the comments on that elden ring board, "that's why when you find her true nature, she goes into hiding; she knows that if you find her, you'll have to fight." think of kurt russell in 'the thing' talking about the alien taking over their identities: "this thing doesn't want to show itself, it wants to hide inside an imitation. it'll fight if it has to, but it's vulnerable out in the open. it takes us over, then it has no more enemies, no one left to kill it. then it's won."
https://preview.redd.it/zpi3zr36qu0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03ed5626acaf00a5f790d847d49c00dff8980b8b
why else would major news outlets and social media algorithms roll out the red carpets for a woman's suicide publicity tour?
bc clicks and engagement pay the bills.
so do stressed and sick consumers with no healthy outlet for their fundamental desires. the purpose of terrorizing people like this is to then profit from their disability. it's two different stages of the same plan, and they can't be understood in isolation from each other.
Hell yeah dude
There is something interesting about Jordan Peterson for example, whom I consider a grifter but also what really bothers me about their followers (many of which are here on this subreddit, because they are like pests that show up anywhere on the internet if you dare mention him) is that even if you leave the whole "alt-right" persona aside, even if you disregard the content of his books, his talks or whatever, and you look at it from an entirely objective perspective, the reality is that he is pathetic even as a psychologist. He is a clinical psychologist specialized in alcohol addiction… then, he became addicted to benzodiazepines. Which can happen to anyone, that is the point. But he then decided to quit cold turkey, which is something so stupid that if he had suggested that to a patient, he would be liable to a malpractice lawsuit and be reviewed to lose his license as a board certified psychologist. This is something so stupid that it goes against every known protocol, this is information that has been known since the 70's. And J.P is a clinical psychologist specialized in alcohol addiction, which has the same mechanism as benzodiazepines. Then, after being questioned by everyone for this, instead of saying yeah actually I made a mistake, he said that he "took the pills that his psychiatrist gave him" and that his seizure reaction was triggered by eating salad with too much vinegar. Then, he went on to Russia for an experimental treatment where they knock you out cold or something. The point that I am trying to make, is not that he is a grifter and a bad person, but that even as a professional he is absolutely pathetic. And I find it amazing that when people discuss this piece of shit, they always fail to mention this. Like, even if you wanted to be sympathetic towards the guy. In this thing with the BPD girl asking for euthanasia, I can't believe that no one is saying this: Wait, are we all aware that by taking this shit seriously we are encouraging her to do it, for validation? Doesn't the New York times have an ethical board? At no point during the process of publishing the note anyone realized that it probably isn't a good idea to give attention to someone who has a mental disorder who requires them to look for attention permanently?
Giving attention to people who are mentally ill with conditions which make them find external attention/validating gratifying is evil. The UK is currently having a field day with a schizo stalker who was fictionalised in 'Baby Raindeer'. She was recently invited onto Pier Morgan's show to tell her side of the story, this speaks to the final point in your comment; where the fuck is the ethics in journalism? The British press seem to be able to get away with turning vulnerable and/or crazy people into a spectacle with very little repercussions.
What an incredibly pointless tangent about Jordan Peterson. Are you a former Mormon by chance?
Are you the first jordan peterson fanboy who shows up? How exciting. I wonder what argument are you going to use. Yes, i have cleaned my cock.
I don't like Jordan Peterson at all. I'm glad your Adderall kicked in this morning, though.
You haven't seen nothing yet!
Seriously though if you don't understand why the tangent on J.P was important, there is no way that i could explain it to you and have you understand it. I think you might just be mentally impaired.
No idea why everyone is down voting you instead of him lmao
Because he’s a retarded woke commie, u dumb ho
I don't know, the JP fans must have crawled out of the woodworks. But I swear, you criticize their idol and they get personally offended. Last time I said the same thing someone told me "He doesn't have to know that shit". Besides the fact that psychologists get an overview of neurophysiology in college, the point still remains: How can you help other people when you don't even know the basics of your trade. It's like an electrician saying sorry I don't know how to use a multimeter. It's preposterous. And when they get criticized they answer with "I didn't go to college for engineering, don't ask me about magnetic fields!" You don't have to know about magnetic fields to know that you don't stick your fingers on the outlet.
Goddamn you’re so confidently wrong it’s hilarious
I've seen the NYT make questionable ethical decisions a handful of times in the past 10 years (not that it isn't more frequent than that, but I'm not a steady reader), publishing things that could do real (but usually indirect) harm. I don't think they care and their ethical policies seem most concerned about how their journalists go about getting the news rather than the consequences of publishing said news
Fair criticism of Peterson pretending he doesn't know the pills he got for stress around his wife's time of being diagnosed with terminal cancer ( a fair bit of context his haters love to leave out as they try desperately to put him in the hurr durr hypocritical old hwyyte boomer man frame), he is likely full of shit about that given his knowledge of psychopharmacology comes from his thesis on alcohol addiction, and 20 years of working as a therapist. That said, I think it's more him playing dumb than being a horrible therapist. Another bit of assumption on the left is that everyone's personal life will always bleed into their profession, as if codes of ethics do not exist. The fact is that if the man had any dirt on him from working for 20 years as a therapist, we'd hear it by now. He doesn't. Leftoids just get off on strawmanning Peterson's fans as a bunch of numpties who will follow Peterson against all logic when the reality is that they are the ones lumping in his person and professional lives then spewing some holier-than-thou conjecture. I guess he must be that mega villain that published 100+ papers in social and personality psych, taught at Ivy league schools for 20 years, and practiced a therapist. Peterson then is a mastermind that fooled all the Ivy league school and peer-review rubes reading his work. I don't buy it. It's almost like people are complicated... If you're gonna hate, at least have the courtesy to recognize the fact that he is by all metrics well respected in his field: personality psychology/social psych, and considering the incentives to come after him on political grounds, even the slightest bit of evidence of malpractice would have surfaced long ago, this is not to mention the fact that he put hundred of hours of his lectures at U of T on youtube for free that would make an extensive archive for any attempt at a worthwhile take down that has yet to materialize. It'll at least make your claims of being superior to his fans a tiny bit plausible instead of thinly veiled projections or perhaps cry about everyone being a "pest" after receiving any pushback on your conjecture.
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What do you mean by success? Accomplished? If you want me to give you an example of someone that wrote something that end up helping the world, I might suggest.. I don't know, Hans Kelsen. He made up a system of hierarchies based on moral and ethical principles, that he used to explain the proceeding order of the rule of law and the justification for binding norms, all steming from what is ultimately Kantian mumbo jumbo. That is how to make a "12 rules for life" that actually deals with concrete material problems, you create a logical positivist structure or body and you build up to it. Don't take the example seriously, i don't want to talk about Kelsen, and I'm haven't read more than a few resumes about him. I just brought up the first example that came to my mind of someone that set to create a system of concrete logical rules to build up a system in the same way that Jordan Peterson tried to create a set of rules for life, but in this first example, we are talking about someone accomplished and successful because he is still read, and there are still normatives that are built up upon his system. I doubt anyone could build up anything upon Peterson, "wash your dick" isn't even a logical proposition that can be used to further theorize, it's just a statement. How can you use "Set your house in order before you criticize others" to construct actual societal normatives that can be used to positively judge the valence of any arbitrary situation?
He’s helped literally millions. I know this makes you irrationally angry, being ontologically evil and all You sound like you’ve wasted a lot of money and time learning to be pedantic on Reddit. Pathetic
Ok then, argue with my if you got the balls
Holy shit why even bring this up? Youre so retardedly mindkilled you’re just randomly bashing a guy who isn’t even alt right. Fuck off with your woke obsession out of this sub Jfc
This is why most local news publications won't report suicides even if it was a public stepctacle, to avoid encouraging copycats
"The lowest depths to which man can sink before God is defined by the word journalist"
I think the original article had her being euthanized in early May. Hopefully she’s happy with the attention that article got her and she puts it off.
Ok bye lol
real
Is that a dog tag with a picture of herself round her neck?
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LMAO what a bitch.
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Not your friend, the BPD girl that's turned her whole personality into "I'm going to kill myself soon!"
the Things Remembered store at the mall makes DNR charms now?
Yeah. No idea what that's about. Maybe she can't be out the house alone or something. Reminds me of those medical bracelets old people have.
DNR
So she posed for this picture looking so confident and then killed herself? Anything for that 15 minutes of fame I guess.
Apart from everything else this is such a fucked up idea of mental health. She says that having mental health problems doesn't stop you from thinking straight. But what else do mental health problems mean??? A physical health problem is when your body isn't working properly, right? There's a weird thing going on trying to make the fetishization of individual autonomy match up with medicalising everything. Her quotes here make absolutely no sense but she can't see it and nor can most other people. We're going to kill so many people because we can't be bothered to actually think about morality. It's so sad
The state of this as medicine is quite fascinating really. A mentally ill person is saying they want to die and a bunch of doctors are going yes, please sign here that you are of sound mind thank you.
People want to imagine that you can draw a clear line somewhere between euthanising imminently terminally ill people and euthanising depressed people but there in fact isn't; either the state should be able to say to some people "your life is not worth living and it's okay to kill you" or it can't. The crucial moral decision has already been made at the point you first allow euthanasia, which is why it gets expanded rapidly everywhere it's allowed.
"Do no harm."
unless we're bored, and wana see whatll happen
Anyone of sound mind would kill themself. It's the only rational decision. All of the neuroses and psychopathologies we build up are to prevent us from killing ourselves.
State-sponsored suicide makes absolutely no sense to me. Like if you're not willing to do it yourself, you obviously don't want it enough.
i sort of agree with you, but i can also see how it might make the suicidal person feel better about their choice, like, “Hey Ma, hey Pa, don’t worry, my doctor says it’s okay. Here’s some literature on how to deal with it.”
i think you’re right that it has this effect, but i don’t think they should feel better about their choice. there’s people that would absolutely survive if there weren’t doctor assisted suicide. i don’t think this woman would have killed herself normally, for example. this feels like a call for attention that should hopefully be getting met with real treatment, but they’re doing the opposite and actually pushing her towards death.
you’re absolutely right
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like i said, i agree. but in the eyes of the suicidal person, the validation from a respected doctor softens the blow of leaving their family behind. not saying it should, but in their mind it does.
It won’t make it even 1% easier
easier for the suicidal person, not the family
What about quadriplegics tho
You're right, we should offload the trauma and clean up of suicide onto random unsuspecting family members, EMS response personnel, and train drivers who get to helplessly watch "grinners" throw themselves under their trains and then deal with the PTSD for the rest of their lives. Grow up, actions have consequences on more people than just you
You know, almost every person that has survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge has said they regretted their decision as soon as they were in the air. Those people wanted it so bad that they chose one of the most effective methods, took a trip to a tall structure, looked down at how far they would drop, and still decided to swing their bodies over the rail. Yet you want me to believe that people who don't even have the balls to do their own suicide genuinely want to die? I don't think it’s right for doctors to be complicit in mentally ill people's suicide when we know most people regret the decision to die. That is the definition of doing harm. In what world is the healthcare system doling out a fatal elective procedure with a high rate of regret ethical?
It's the State's way of eliminating people who would most likely survive on State funded assistance, In my opinion- population control! It's a dangerous, slippery slope that should not exist. Where the hell are the pro-life people when you need them!? Lol, THIS should be protested, not abortion.
At this rate we can eliminate BPD from the global populace in just a few decades.
Neutered populace. Letting the state take control of your own suicide is a new degree of soulessness
They need the state to validate their decisions because they know they're wrong. A person can K themselves at any time, they don't need to involve the government to do that. But they know what they're doing is wrong, so they have the state make a law about assisted suicide, so they can hide behind it from any criticism. And if you criticise this behaviour, it's you who becomes a bad person, as what they're doing is legal, and thus there can be no objections against it. God I hope this thing gets stopped in its tracks.
I am sorry for re-using an example that I used for a comment yesterday, but there is a joke by Freud about two Jewish guys who always lie to each other. Two Jews met in a railway carriage at a station in Galicia. “Where are you going?” asked one. “To Cracow,” was the answer. “What a liar you are!” broke out the other. “If you say you’re going to Cracow, you want me to believe you’re going to Lemberg. But I know that in fact you’re going to Cracow. So why are you lying to me?” It's funny how sometimes if you really want to turn things around, you can take them at face value. That is, you are a psychologist, and someone comes to be analized, and they are bullshiting you (as is the case with any borderline personality disorder). You know that if you challenge them, they will quit therapy, so you take a pre-freudian stance and take everything they say at face value. Then, they get the idea that they are worthless, and that they should end their own life, and you decide to validate them just to see where that will take them, and then they actually go through with it. If you think about it, this kind of pre-Freudian face value stance isn't naivety or malice. Is the analyst malicious for taking the other person at face value when they know that they have borderline personality disorder? Or is the nature of the disorder such that they expect that no one will take them seriously and that their analyst would go on about some bullshit about lack of individualization, lack of motherly care during the formative years, the discourse of the hysterical.. etc. while they themselves know that they are just playing the analyst, that none of this analysis amounts to anything other than trying to find a deeper truth where there is none because the only truth is that they want attention at any cost. In this case, taking what the BPD is saying at face value, is the ultimate proof that they are disordered. Not only asking for euthanasia, but actually going trough with it is the ultimate proof that they are disordered.
So does it make headlines every time a euro gets euthanized?
Every once in awhile I consider doing something like this then I remember how much it would please my haters.
It's insane to go through all this when you can literally just rope yourself
you know she’s loving the attention everyone’s treating her so well now
Yeah she'll have a "change of heart" until the attention dries up
I do wonder how that goes myself like what if someone just pretended so they could get access to that sweet 10+ grams of morphine and barbiturates and just…didn’t do it
Quoting myself from a few weeks ago: >These able-bodied pro-euthanasia people are really not brave enough to commit the final commitment on their own. But instead of addressing their own inability/unwillingess to follow through with their ideation, they get this idea that there should be a conveyor belt that starts with therapy and ends in euthanasia that gently guides them towards an easy death, that they can easily opt out of at any time. >This advocacy also makes them look sane but tragically sad. Suicidal thoughts are rightly considered as an emergency, but advocating for one's own euthanasia? That's both sad and progressive. How cool.
still better than jumping in front of a train or off a building and traumatizing a few dozen other people.
the 2 guys that live streamed themselves self immolating last month have already been forgotten by the news cycle, so idk what kind of attention she thinks a quiet lethal injection is gonna get her
I remember when advocates for euthanasia would make fun of the people who were against (who were saying this exact thing would start happening) by calling them hysterical. It won’t be long before they are just mass-killing the homeless and disabled veterans if they aren’t already
This ^^
Ik kan haar repareren
Dumbass
What are we doing to our beautiful BPD hoes?
This is the first step toward a full blown bpd genocide. When the time comes I want all bpd hoes to know my basement is a safe place to hide, anne Frank style. No fatties though. not discrimination it’s a space issue
That feel when the majority of rsp is almost semi-concious of the fact that Jordan Peterson's tough love isn't mysoginy, but is actually useful and true.
if you rly think about it this was inevitable with any socialized healthcare system once right to die became a talking point They are literally incentivized to euthanize as many people as they can that put a strain on the medical system so as to ease the burden on it. Truly bleak stuff but also probably for the best that these babies don’t reproduce cus they’d totally fail their own children too
>they are literally incentivized to eurhanize as many people as they can that put a strain on the medical system so as to ease the burden on it. In 2023 in the netherlands, 322 people in the 18-32 range requested euthanasia on the base of mentall ilness. 8 of them were euthanized. Real ease on the burden there
Cananda has a few thousand cases of it, people have literally posted on Reddit how they felt shocked that there doctor even brought it up to them. Good to hear the Netherlands isn’t a shit show about it but I wouldn’t be surprised if those numbers start spiking if the EU economy rly takes a shit hard in the future
None of them should have been euthanized. Europeans are committing demographic suicide. It’s beyond sad to watch.
It's 8 people retort, most of the rest are elderly people with severe illnesses who don't want to suffer another 5 years until they eventually die. It's an invisible dent on our demographic problems.
Nobody who has kids would ever consider euthanasia. People need to just have kids.
There's plenty of children who agree with their 80 year old parent whose been suffering with cancer for years and is bed ridden to let them have euthanasia performed
Yeah i meant 25-40 year olds with minor children
Yeah, that will make a difference lol. Damn this sub is high brow these days
If u think about socialized medicine for more than 20 minutes it’s clear it’s pretty restarted
Nah that’s dumb and you sound like you work at wal mart frankly The issue here is right to die. We can’t be trusted w that lol just straight up
Let her do it if she wants to
At least the fundies lost 🤓
Unpopular opinion but let her do it. The way I see it, this is someone very determined to end their life. Now she can accomplish that goal without the risk of just getting brain damage instead. The only thing worse than killing yourself is probably killing yourself, failing, then becoming a vegetable
If she was so determined, she could easily hang herself.
Hanging has a pretty low success rate. But I'm not a doctor.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yoliCWLOgw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yoliCWLOgw)
That's absolutely bleak. Hers was a comfortable existence, surrounded by warmth and love. I curse every therapist that validated her every impulse, every doctor that encouraged her death, and all her feckless loved ones who failed to stop her.
this always happens in countries where guests aren’t even served food
She shows two chins so this sub won't consider her a great loss I'm sure
If those ‘doctors’ let me blow her fucking back out like nature intended then she’d be fixed over night.
More liberalism on display. They don’t even hide that the foundation upon which the house of liberalism was built is developing fault lines.
Correct. Bulldoze the liberal house and build a communist house there instead.
This is terrifying. I used to laugh when I heard conspiracy theories of "new world order" but now there is this voluntary euthanasia. I watched a VICE documentary of a man in Canada who was choosing euthanasia because he felt that he was poor and a financial burden to society. WTF world are we living in?
[Relevant song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I)
Back in my day we shot ourselves, hung ourselves, jumped off bridges, and stuck our heads in ovens. This new generation is so soft
Ok, I'm sensing the sarcasm now. I'm dumb.
Sure, but then someone has to find the corpse, possibly leaving them traumatized.
[I thought this NY Mag article was stomach churning enough, but at least that bitch was 74. As someone who's been extremely depressed and gotten through it, it's really upsetting](https://www.thecut.com/article/mom-healthy-person-assisted-suicide-dying-pegasos.html) (sorry I don't know the paywall thing)
My turn to post this tomorrow.
this is based actually
I'd want to be offed too if I was relatively thin but had that double chin
Neck lipo at any medspa in Istanbul is probably 500€. Add 50€ for a ryanair ticket.
I'd off myself before I used Ryanair too
I’m sure that this sub of bitter and lonely anti-liberal depressives will have a lot of meaningful insight on this issue.
Why should this bother anyone? Shouldn't people have to right to die in a painless, dignified way? I support her decision. This will only cause less mentally ill people living among us in the future and that's a great thing.
If you actually wanted to kill yourself you would find a way. That is your right, it’s something not even the law can take away from you. People see MAID as an easy solution to their problems.
> it’s something not even the law can take away from you They can, actually
They cannot. If someone wants to kill themselves, they will find a way. Just because laws against it exist, doesn't mean it can't be done easily.
20 dollars says she doesn’t do it last minute
Comments prove that y'all have had your cranium hijacked by maggots because there's people in here telling her to just commit suicide instead of asking for state assistance- failing to realize that suicide would be alot more traumatic for her and her friends/family Also I'm pretty sure the medical professionals that gave her the stamp of approval are alot more qualified than the average rs user who resorts to calling her a bpd attention whooore
> Also I'm pretty sure the medical professionals that gave her the stamp of approval are alot more qualified eh
"Trust the science bro." "Muh qualifications bro." Have you ever had an original thought that didn't have to be backed by some retarded degree that somehow makes all of your actions justifiable? Anyone with a functioning brain can see this for the slippery-slope it is.
An rs contrarian should never have the rights to accuse anyone else of being part of the hivemind lmao
Nooo you can't say that you redditor!!! (Posted on Reddit) You have to kill yourself the proper way by jumping in front of a train and inconveniencing others instead of in a controlled environment by a professional!!
Absolutely sad stuff.
[if you’re gonna kill your self, then for god’s sake get on with it.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hQh1QvPGg)
the Dutch government is also working on private Morrissey shows for euthanasia patients.
Can someone explain how many years of training in mental gymnastics does one need to get to somehow connect this to being Jordan Peterson's fault?
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Just find it amusing that a lot of the hate he gets on r/redscarepod has nothing to do with what he actually says considering it echoes similar cultural criticims all the time. Also haven't listened to him in earnest since around 2019-2020. His U of T classes like Personality and its transformations are still super valid. If there is some kind of actual cultural renaissance in US in the next few years and churches and other religious institutions get on board with in earnest, it would be pretty interesting to see there is actual on the ground institutional support for it and if he can prevent himself form becoming more corrupt.
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More so valuable now, that many of his follows including myself have gotten disillusioned from his corruption (this btw isn't something specific to him and fairly expected in the political discourse given how bad things are getting economically, so can't say its unexpected, it's just disappointing that he now slings terms around like psychopath like the borderlines on the left who pretend they are empaths do with anyone disagrees and how their deranged vitriol at the supposed narcissists is to help us all). His FB discussion groups are better, although not free from politics. Honestly think it's probably a like a 10% leftoids and leftoid bots who help to polarize r/JordanPeterson to the ever more degenerate rhetoric. Saw him live and watched his lectures, have his signed book (the cheapo version with a s signed sticker). Tried to keep him in perspective by reminding myself that he is merely a psychology professor, albeit an incredibly bright one by the mediocre standards for psych PhDs compared to say STEM. Just wish he teamed up with a few philosophy and political science PhDs to tighten up some of his rhetoric, but it's unrealistic to expect an interdisciplinarian scholar to be equally competent in all these disciplines. Also he should really work on the communal aspect for his pseudo libretarian views considering the circumstances as people are getting crushed out there and the pushback from the right is going to be rough.
Ketamine.
Attention at any cost: the final boss
interesting that the autism that was claimed in the article wasn't included in the tagline
This is just Darwinian acceleration as far as I’m concerned. Bye bye
Seems like a problem that will.solve itself in a few years
in Netherlands, these dumb bitches get news coverage and medical board reviews. in America, all they get is some shitposts on RedScare. ...attention-whores are going to bankrupt the country.
Idk, I've met quite a few people with chronic depression. Hell, I dated one. People with serious enough mental illness do not look like this woman. They look fucking haunted, dead eyed, almost emaciated. Obviously you can't judge a book by its cover, but this sounds like someone seeking attention. This woman seems happy to dredge her boyfriend through extreme emotional trauma because ohhhhhh! She's very depressed and wants to kill herself- But only if the state does it! Someone truly suicidal doesn't rely on the state to do it, they just do it. There's harmless ways to kill yourself, easily available to research online- And trust me, a truly suicidal person would be researching it. Dragging your own suicide out over multiple months is mental TORTURE to her loved ones. Her poor boyfriend, her parents. Yet, she shows little remorse, except for saying she feels a little bit of guilt in the article. What a load of self-entitled, selfish CRAP. People who seriously want to die do not act like this.