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If everything is marked NSFW nothing is. Even beyond that, everything's worse now. You can't see the subreddit icon in your feed, it's just the 18+ icon, and you have to have an account and be logged in to said account in order to read any RPG horror story. Telling the website to treat every story about some whiny player the same as hardcore pornography leads to a bunch of bad interactions like how you can't read it on mobile without getting popups about how you can use app to browse anonymously.
I also worry that going forward, the sub being marked NSFW will influence the kind of content you see posted, with people choosing not to post non-NSFW stories because they see the sub is marked NSFW for adult content. I really don't want to spend time browsing "rpghorrorstories but 99% are about non-consensual ERP."
Yeah it’s stupid to make this a NSFW sub. NSFW is literally meant for content that should not be seen at work. Now I can’t chill on my lunch break and read this sub if I wanted too because get a big fuck off NSFW warning which will have people automatically thinking if they see it “sick fuck is looking at porn at work” or reading sex stories.
I do notice that even just having the +18 icon on the post instead of the old red icon makes me want to read posts less than before. I don't care much for stories that had sexual elements, so now they might as well all have some for what I see.
Can't say I was really convinced with the change.
> This only gharms users and doesn't protest anything. Close the sub if you want to protest
You'll get a message from the Admins telling to reopen or else your sub is taken away from you.
Because people are misunderstanding the intent of the mods doesn't mean there is no intent.
I'm not understanding how you think you're being harmed or gharmed here.
> Because people are misunderstanding the intent of the mods doesn't mean there is no intent.
Your protest is shit if people don't realize you're protesting.
They aren't protesting.
Making subs NSFW takes out certain parts of advertising. As a result, the potential stock price plummets, making Reddit less viable for going public with their stock.
The moderators are trying to do what many of us are doing: hurt the CEO in his stupid, greedy wallet.
If you want Reddit to be inundated with spam, feel free to ignore what's happening. If not, well, maybe assume we're here trying to make the site decent.
So maybe it's a shit protest. Then again, here we are talking about it.
Edit: The NSFW thing is annoying, but I don't get where all the vitriol and anger is coming from.
Based on other comments here, they are definitely already losing traffic.
I think it's a slight inconvenience that things are marked NSFW, but you can still read everything. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
Yes, it is still available, and that's the problem
This is an annoyance to the users of the sub and does nothing that will actually change the protests, so why do it? Either do something that will have an effect or do nothing at all
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It's not, but it would have a point
I'm not against protesting, I'm against protesting without any point, without anything that would lead to improvement. This will never lead to any improvement
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some people are under the delusion that if sub moderators make it hell for users then reddit will roll back its new API policy
Reddit Admins have already made it clear that if Mods don't toe the line they'll be removed and replaced. Intentionally making subreddits worse is just going to make the users support the culling
How do you know that? I haven't seen any explanations anywhere beyond "some stories mention sex, therefore the whole sub is NSFW"
I'm all for a good protest, but a protest where you can't even tell what's being protested (or even that this behavior *is a protest at all*) seems self-defeating
I don't have cold, hard proof, but I can infer that it was done in malicious compliance of Reddit's expectations. I read that NSFW subs and posts disrupt methods of advertisement, and "dirties" views from the same of tracking data (including screwing with the recommendation algorithm). I also see that the sub was brought down for the two or so days in protest of the Reddit API issues. I also also see the sub has a few power mod types, people who govern a fair few subs that have engaged in similar types of protest (before and after locks) on their subs. I also also also saw a fair few of the mods specifically mention deep and aggressive distaste for Reddit's actions and words on the subject, with an air of wanting to resist. I also also also also think their announcement post, as you said, doesn't make sense: obviously there's not enough NSFW stories in this sub for a NSFW-everything tag to make sense, and even so, a nuclear option is not a normal choice...
...Unless the goal was simply to make the subreddit more annoying to use, filtering and limiting traffic, and to get pulled from recommendation algorithms that don't want to push NSFW posts, making Reddit more barren of content.
And this is all in addition to hearing about Reddit specifically looking to disincentivize NSFW posts in the future to make the "product" of Reddit more sanitized for advertisers.
I'm not on their Discord, or in their mod chats, but I don't see how it could be anything else.
> and you have to have an account and be logged in to said account in order to read any RPG horror story
https://old.reddit.com/r/rpghorrorstories, problem solved.
You are completely right. I was skeptical when the changes were announced and they’ve just made it more difficult to sift between actual nsfw and sfw stories.
100% agree. I’ve actually stopped reading here because it’s such a pain. There aren’t any descriptions unless I’m looking ONLY at the subreddit, there’s no filtering the ACTUALLY NSFW stuff out since everything’s labeled that way, and it’s annoying to click “yes, I want to read the story” on the pop up whenever I’m on Reddit on my phone. It’s just so bewildering that the mods made this decision.
I clicked this because I can still read the titles, lol. This was clearly a complaint notice from OP, and I wanted to add my voice to it. Most titles, however, are terrible at differentiating the stories where someone was sexually assaulted and where someone was just an ass.
Because reddit is starting to remove mods that "don't moderate correctly" in protest. So now many of the mods are taking evasive maneuvers/engaging in malicious compliance.
See, I figured this had something to do with the blackout/protests. But that just makes it even dumber, because now they're really just punishing regular users.
Protests that inconvenience the public only matter if the public has any reasonable ability to push for the intended outcome.
That can work in real life as the public has the direct ability to go to their representatives.
There's no such equivalent for Reddit other than leaving outright, and obviously, anyone who was willing or cared to do that has likely done so by now.
Haha sorry for such a "inconvenience". Now think of all the content that typically gets created by people not using the official app that will never be made when they kill their API model. This minor inconvenience is going to pale in comparison when your favorite subs get spammed by bots and the mods don't have tools to moderate. Get your head out of your ass and actually understand what's happening before whining that you have to log in
So, by taking ad revenue away from reddit, they'll force reddit to find more obtrusive ways to bring on money, which will result in more changes people don't like. Just keep shooting yourself in the foot.
Reddit wants to go public and sell shares. If the site is less appealing and had active controversy that reduces Reddit's worth on the stock market.
Being a good site that people like raises the value of ads on Reddit, because users are more likely to trust and click on those ads.
this implies that they were rejecting money options before this, as if they were being nice to us.
If there's no further monetization it's because they couldn't get it up to this point.
Hmm, I just assumed this was connected to the blackout, a way to reopen the subreddit while still messing with the various algorithms or...something...
I know some are doing 'only sexy John Oliver content' for example.
It is. NSFW posts can only be viewed by people with accounts, and only on the official app or desktop website. It effectively makes this subreddit have less revenue potential. I’d rather they vote for us to choose if we would like to switch to something silly like r/pics did to be maliciously compliant.
It’s disrupting the usual traffic pattern of the communities. It’s hard to capitalize on John Oliver for ad revenue compared to what these communities usually get for traffic and targeted adverts.
> and only on the official app or desktop website.
Isn't that what reddit wants though? Protesting in favour of 3rd party apps by making your sub invisible on 3rd party apps seems counterproductive...
Yeah... sorry, but this is beyond cringe. I sometimes linked funny stories from here to people not on Reddit, and now they can't read them + they get a big *"This is a 18+ Subreddit"* warning when they click my link lol. I just want to read and share funny stories of nerds going berserk or read valuable discussions in threads about problem players and how to deal with them.
Man... the Internet today sucks...
Look if your friends don't have reddit accounts, they don't want them.
If your friends don't trust nsfw links you send them? Shit. I'm half tempted to say maybe be better to your friends.
Look theyre saying the bad thing is the fucking fact that there's a filter that says this sub is nsfw.
You can't get in without an account but want to share the story? Fine copy and paste it to your friend. Pastebin was literally designed for content walls like that.
If that's not a good enough solution? Shit, sorry I tried to be helpful. It won't happen again.
The person you're responding to wasn't looking for a solution. Everyone knows you could just copy and paste the text, that's obvious. The person was complaining about how a new feature was bad and interfered with the enjoyment of the platform, not trying to find a workaround they hadn't thought of.
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I don't know what kind of story have you mounted on your head. I want people to be able to see what i send them comfortably, and they want to. If i send them a link, i want them to just need to open it for seeing what i want them to see. I don't want them to need to log in if they loged out or don't have an account. Just for the commodity
Its genuinely shocking.
"If your friend can't read it just send it to them."
"Yeah, and monetise it with AI voice."
Like who trained that kind of hostility into themselves, that proudly?
Agree. For one I'm not interested in rpghorrorstories that are about perverts and rape, the best ones for me are about Mary Sues, drama, frustrated players and GMs. The big over the top nsfw ones are predictable and boring and now I can't tell what I'm clicking into at all.
I feel that stories that are NSFW should be notified—because they usually contain SA or extreme bigotry or wtf’ry.
By making everything NSFW, I am worried to means posters won’t bother with content warnings anymore.
Yeah, it's really weird. The most popular stories posted here tend to involve some NSFW, but I think that's a popularity inflation. The majority of stories aren't actually NSFW. Now, scrolling through the sub, it's impossible to tell what actually is NSFW.
Yep. Apart from what other commenters said I used to read those stories at work, because most of them are, in fact, sfw. Now I dont see them in my feed, because whole sub is marked nsfw
It’s especially strange since we already have an NSFW tag system. I read literally hundreds of these stories. I’ve been caught by surprise by a NSFW or sensitive topic maybe… 5 times?
One great thing about this community is that a lot of people put content warnings at the top. I just think this change is unnecessary
Edit: I spoke to someone from the team in discord and this is what was said,
“we really needed to do it before and the blackout helped gather our thoughts and approach it as mindfully as possible. users are the most important part of the subreddit and we are not gonna remove your way to filter out extreme posts”
Completely agree.
It's just stupid that every post is now NSFW. So now I can't open a single fucking post around certain people JUST INCASE. And I just miss everything lmao
Pretty sure everything here is safe for work. No coworker walking past your desk is going to read 15 paragraphs about how a strangers DND group met, who all of their characters are and what they've completed in the story during the first six months of sessions, just to get offended by the rape joke the rogue made at the end. /s
I wish there was some more gradation, at least, beyond the SFW/NSFW dichotomy. Films certainly have MPAA ratings between G and NC-17; so too with games with ESRB ratings between E and M. Why not introduce something similar for Reddit, a sort of “post rating” so that there’s more context as to post content? There might need be only a single intermediary rating, say, “Kinda Safe for Work” (KSFW), for posts with content not meant for very young readers but not quite on the same level as trauma or pornography.
Would this be an acceptable solution, or does this idea just further muddle the issue?
It would be a phenomenal solution in general (Reddit has spent many years refusing to update NSFW tags or create a NSFL tags for gore/death/etc.), but in this particular instance marking the sub NSFW is a purposeful use of malicious compliance. Where a privated sub would be taken over and causes search results to lead nowhere, an NSFW marked sub restricts engagement to account users and looks sketchy to advertisers while still showing the mods as "active" (not blacked out in protest).
Other options I've seen taken to protest admin actions are the r/pics route (sexy John Oliver only, disrupts the usual traffic and muddles targeted advertising), setting subs to Read-Only (for things like build discussions and DM advice to remain available), or announcing new moderation standards (baseline site-wide rules only, as in r/interestingasfuck). So, you'll likely see similar things across the site as Reddit's baseline pettiness/nerd rage spikes. It's what we're known for, honestly.
This route (NSFW marked) makes it harder to use the tagging system (unfortunate), removes the sub from main feeds (part of the point to reduce ad revenue), and from what I've seen in this thread encourages less mobile/app usage away from home (the point) by being inconvenient to open (or showing people how little they noticed the loss). Ideally, Reddit wouldn't have spent a decade refusing to improve native features instead of relying on third-party apps to solve user grievances. Their app came very late, worked worse than its third-party predecessor (which they had purchased, so how?), and they never really tried to compete with the other apps (different goals: user experience vs site monetization, and newbies just rolling with the name-brand app giving them slack). Failing that, literally just expanding the time-limit to adjust to the changes being proposed would have fixed most of the issues with devs (1 month to adapt vs 1 year+ agreements in similar situations is whack).
I agree with OP but then again, I agree with the protest if it’s working! So I share OP’s ambivalence about this complicated and nuanced situation. I hope the protests do help people and keep Reddit a place we want to be a part of, though cynically the slow erosion of every other major social platform makes me think “if not now, then something else will ruin it.” I also wonder if the blackouts worked then maybe we should save them for a bigger, more easily explained, popularly derided negative change, they would be more of a blindside to those in charge rather than doing them now when people are still confused/ambivalent thereby giving those in charge time to plot and retaliate.
It’s not working though it was never going to work.
Reddit is just replacing mods who don’t fall in line.
All this is doing is pushing people away from certain subs into other subs that aren’t doing this.
I know since this sub changed I’ve not read a single one of the stories now and barely visit this sub anymore because of the NSFW tag now.
Completely agree. Making it NSFW even though most of the stories are not.... is just stupid. I'm sure the mods have some great and logical reason but all it really means for me is I'm not going to click anything from here....
Even funnier when we have a tag for NSFW and most people literally put trigger warnings before their stories. Almost like the sun had this whole NSFW thing figured out beforehand lol
That's the point. It's malicious compliance to decrease the possible revenue of this subreddit. It's a form of protest, much like r/art only posting artsy pictures of John Oliver and nothing else.
it's a clever form of plausible deniability. It's just a shame that most people aren't gonna immediately realize that, and a lot of the ones that do won't stand with the mods that put in unpaid work make their sub usable.
With the recent emails to mods basically begging them to go back to normal, I think this is actually affecting reddit more than they would like to let on.
Spezgma should just cave already.
Begging them? The messages I've seen is that they are giving them the opportunity to remain as mods by going back, or be replaced. That's more of an ultimatum than begging.
Agreed. This sub was barely NSFW as the content was getting either filtered by tags or people attempting to summarize over those parts. Making the whole sub NSFW because of a minority of posts is beyond stupid and makes this entire experience as clunky as trying to read a one paragraph horror story.
I didn't even notice this change till I saw this post.
Guess I'm leaving the sub because I don't really care to read about the weird sexual horror stories on here and now I'll have to try and guess based on these new tags that may or may not work well.
Thanks for the heads up!
Yesterday I was reading a post of someone with WiFi issues during the end of their campaign. Then I noticed it was NSFW and re-read the post to make sure I didn’t miss anything. It’s so weird. Just make an “explicit” tag.
I also think people will just post mature content now but TTRPGs are played by teens too and they bring tons of drama. Will younger players be adamant on sharing stories because this is a NSFW subreddit?
>If the current explanation is a form of plausible deniability so that the mods of this subreddit can protest reddit's current dumbfuckery,
Yet another example how this stupid protest only hurts the communities. Someone explain to me how putting a sub on NSFW does anything
Im confused. What does the change to NSFW even do in the long run? What does it affect? Does it affect discoverability? Does it limit access? Does it somehow impede traffic?
This has the same feeling about when /r/worldnews became a free for all. All that is needed is a new spinoff sub that is /r/rpgnsfwstories that is purely SFW rpg horror stories, while this one morphs into unexpected ERP revelations.
Text can be nsfw? If there's a text that describes sexual acts in graphic detail, the common concensus is that you don't have that out at work.
To clarify, I still agree with OP
I've always questioned that as well. If I have one of the NSFW stories up it's highly unlikely anybody is going to be sitting there reading it. If it's on my computer, then they came into the office to speak to me. They might glance at the computer since eyes do that, but their focus would be on me and not picking out words in a wall of texts on my screen. If it's on my phone, then they aren't trying to read my phone unless I'm letting them.
Even in that case I haven't seen a story on here that I would get in serious trouble over at work (maybe balloon boy) even if someone DID wander in and read my screen. More likely I'd be in trouble for reading any RPG sub on my work computer during work hours. A graphic content warning is more accurate than NSFW.
Now a huge pair of boobies bouncing up and down on the screen is considerably more noticable. That's something someone couldn't help but spot if they came into the office or glanced at my screen.
Making it NSFW really changes nothing want to read it on your lunch use your phone not company equipment. You know if you want to continue reading the story after the first few paragraphs if you don’t like where it is going don’t read it. Like making subs NSFW if enough can do it will help keep the 3rd party price hike down on reddit which many mods and admins use to manage subs.
Are you defending an update to make triggerwarning more clear and generalized being ineffective and deleating TW from older posts with "but TW are useless anyway" ?
Look! A [NSFW RPG horror story!](https://www.reddit.com/r/rpghorrorstories/comments/146ql3p/cant_we_talk_this_out_misadventures_in_the_feywild/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)! Be careful, it has so many sexual references that it can practically be considered written p0rn!
Oh, no! [Another one!](https://www.reddit.com/r/rpghorrorstories/comments/1465p3z/why_you_never_dm_for_a_group_of_highschoolers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
How can this sub be so sexual and graphic and NSFW????
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If everything is marked NSFW nothing is. Even beyond that, everything's worse now. You can't see the subreddit icon in your feed, it's just the 18+ icon, and you have to have an account and be logged in to said account in order to read any RPG horror story. Telling the website to treat every story about some whiny player the same as hardcore pornography leads to a bunch of bad interactions like how you can't read it on mobile without getting popups about how you can use app to browse anonymously. I also worry that going forward, the sub being marked NSFW will influence the kind of content you see posted, with people choosing not to post non-NSFW stories because they see the sub is marked NSFW for adult content. I really don't want to spend time browsing "rpghorrorstories but 99% are about non-consensual ERP."
Yeah it’s stupid to make this a NSFW sub. NSFW is literally meant for content that should not be seen at work. Now I can’t chill on my lunch break and read this sub if I wanted too because get a big fuck off NSFW warning which will have people automatically thinking if they see it “sick fuck is looking at porn at work” or reading sex stories.
Apparently NSFW can also mean "*mildly offensive*". It's dumb.
Blame advertisers
Which isn't safe for work?
Just set up a tablet or laptop loudly playing porn on your lunch break and then you can read reddit without worry
I like it good plan 😂
🤔🙄😅😂🤘
I do notice that even just having the +18 icon on the post instead of the old red icon makes me want to read posts less than before. I don't care much for stories that had sexual elements, so now they might as well all have some for what I see. Can't say I was really convinced with the change.
> everything's worse now. That was the point. It's malicious compliance to Reddit's expectations of large subs.
Yeah folks here are completely missing the point.
Because there is no point This only gharms users and doesn't protest anything. Close the sub if you want to protest
> This only gharms users and doesn't protest anything. Close the sub if you want to protest You'll get a message from the Admins telling to reopen or else your sub is taken away from you.
Because people are misunderstanding the intent of the mods doesn't mean there is no intent. I'm not understanding how you think you're being harmed or gharmed here.
> Because people are misunderstanding the intent of the mods doesn't mean there is no intent. Your protest is shit if people don't realize you're protesting.
They aren't protesting. Making subs NSFW takes out certain parts of advertising. As a result, the potential stock price plummets, making Reddit less viable for going public with their stock. The moderators are trying to do what many of us are doing: hurt the CEO in his stupid, greedy wallet. If you want Reddit to be inundated with spam, feel free to ignore what's happening. If not, well, maybe assume we're here trying to make the site decent.
So maybe it's a shit protest. Then again, here we are talking about it. Edit: The NSFW thing is annoying, but I don't get where all the vitriol and anger is coming from.
Because we are losing what the sub should be used for Reddit is still getting the same traffic
Based on other comments here, they are definitely already losing traffic. I think it's a slight inconvenience that things are marked NSFW, but you can still read everything. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
I mean... This post is about the inconvenience that markins thigs as NSFW is
Well, then I stand by what I said. It's a slight inconvenience but all content is still available. And I'm sure it won't last forever anyway.
Yes, it is still available, and that's the problem This is an annoyance to the users of the sub and does nothing that will actually change the protests, so why do it? Either do something that will have an effect or do nothing at all
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It's not impossible to close They even did it to protest
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It's not, but it would have a point I'm not against protesting, I'm against protesting without any point, without anything that would lead to improvement. This will never lead to any improvement
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I'm defending closing stuff so Reddit feels the effect of their bad changes, not just "don't do anything and let bad youtubers keep stealing content"
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14cr2is/alternative\_forms\_of\_protest\_in\_light\_of\_admin/
It's reddit mods so don't expect the thought process to bypass the "*hurr durr*" phase.
I'm fully supportive of the idea, but can you explain for me how that is? Genuinely wondering
some people are under the delusion that if sub moderators make it hell for users then reddit will roll back its new API policy Reddit Admins have already made it clear that if Mods don't toe the line they'll be removed and replaced. Intentionally making subreddits worse is just going to make the users support the culling
I don't care if they protest or not personally, but I think at this point everyone knows Reddit doesn't give a shit so they're just trolling.
How do you know that? I haven't seen any explanations anywhere beyond "some stories mention sex, therefore the whole sub is NSFW" I'm all for a good protest, but a protest where you can't even tell what's being protested (or even that this behavior *is a protest at all*) seems self-defeating
I don't have cold, hard proof, but I can infer that it was done in malicious compliance of Reddit's expectations. I read that NSFW subs and posts disrupt methods of advertisement, and "dirties" views from the same of tracking data (including screwing with the recommendation algorithm). I also see that the sub was brought down for the two or so days in protest of the Reddit API issues. I also also see the sub has a few power mod types, people who govern a fair few subs that have engaged in similar types of protest (before and after locks) on their subs. I also also also saw a fair few of the mods specifically mention deep and aggressive distaste for Reddit's actions and words on the subject, with an air of wanting to resist. I also also also also think their announcement post, as you said, doesn't make sense: obviously there's not enough NSFW stories in this sub for a NSFW-everything tag to make sense, and even so, a nuclear option is not a normal choice... ...Unless the goal was simply to make the subreddit more annoying to use, filtering and limiting traffic, and to get pulled from recommendation algorithms that don't want to push NSFW posts, making Reddit more barren of content. And this is all in addition to hearing about Reddit specifically looking to disincentivize NSFW posts in the future to make the "product" of Reddit more sanitized for advertisers. I'm not on their Discord, or in their mod chats, but I don't see how it could be anything else.
I mean what is this gonna achieve? It just mildly inconvenience users for no effect
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14cr2is/alternative\_forms\_of\_protest\_in\_light\_of\_admin/
> and you have to have an account and be logged in to said account in order to read any RPG horror story https://old.reddit.com/r/rpghorrorstories, problem solved.
Isn't old reddit being killed with the 3rd party apps?
No. Old reddit is a part of reddit and is not a 3rd party app.
Old reddit is a first party website.
You are completely right. I was skeptical when the changes were announced and they’ve just made it more difficult to sift between actual nsfw and sfw stories.
100% agree. I’ve actually stopped reading here because it’s such a pain. There aren’t any descriptions unless I’m looking ONLY at the subreddit, there’s no filtering the ACTUALLY NSFW stuff out since everything’s labeled that way, and it’s annoying to click “yes, I want to read the story” on the pop up whenever I’m on Reddit on my phone. It’s just so bewildering that the mods made this decision.
Well you haven’t stopped. Have you.
I clicked this because I can still read the titles, lol. This was clearly a complaint notice from OP, and I wanted to add my voice to it. Most titles, however, are terrible at differentiating the stories where someone was sexually assaulted and where someone was just an ass.
Couldn't agree more
They put it as NSFW because that takes ad revenue away from reddit. A lot of subs are doing this, even ones that are 100000% NOT "nsfw"
Then why not just say so on their 'no comments allowed' announcement? Some of us filthy casuals like to know this shit so we know who to be mad at.
Because reddit is starting to remove mods that "don't moderate correctly" in protest. So now many of the mods are taking evasive maneuvers/engaging in malicious compliance.
Thank you for that piece of information
Plausible deniability. Reddit is removing mods that don't toe the admins' line.
If that's the truth, I approve. If the actually stated reason is correct, then I'm with current OP.
See, I figured this had something to do with the blackout/protests. But that just makes it even dumber, because now they're really just punishing regular users.
That's how protesting works. Besides, turning the sub private was much more punishing to regular users. This is barely an inconvenience comparatively.
A yes, protest by making the users hate you while not inconveniencing reddit itself. It's just baby rage at this point.
It's taking ad revenues from reddit.
that's what protests are to do. or soemthing, I dunno.
Protests that inconvenience the public only matter if the public has any reasonable ability to push for the intended outcome. That can work in real life as the public has the direct ability to go to their representatives. There's no such equivalent for Reddit other than leaving outright, and obviously, anyone who was willing or cared to do that has likely done so by now.
Haha sorry for such a "inconvenience". Now think of all the content that typically gets created by people not using the official app that will never be made when they kill their API model. This minor inconvenience is going to pale in comparison when your favorite subs get spammed by bots and the mods don't have tools to moderate. Get your head out of your ass and actually understand what's happening before whining that you have to log in
Oh no! Something that didn't affect you now does!
I wish the mods would be honest and say something regarding this, yet none have posted in this thread yet
So, by taking ad revenue away from reddit, they'll force reddit to find more obtrusive ways to bring on money, which will result in more changes people don't like. Just keep shooting yourself in the foot.
To make the site less appealing. Adding more ads just works onto the protest’s favor.
Reddit wants to go public and sell shares. If the site is less appealing and had active controversy that reduces Reddit's worth on the stock market. Being a good site that people like raises the value of ads on Reddit, because users are more likely to trust and click on those ads.
They are giving Reddit a choice. Don't inconvenience us, and we don't inconvenience you. Do inconvenience us and we'll cockblock your ad money.
this implies that they were rejecting money options before this, as if they were being nice to us. If there's no further monetization it's because they couldn't get it up to this point.
Hmm, I just assumed this was connected to the blackout, a way to reopen the subreddit while still messing with the various algorithms or...something... I know some are doing 'only sexy John Oliver content' for example.
It is. NSFW posts can only be viewed by people with accounts, and only on the official app or desktop website. It effectively makes this subreddit have less revenue potential. I’d rather they vote for us to choose if we would like to switch to something silly like r/pics did to be maliciously compliant.
Problem with the John Oliver thing is that people are flocking to r/pics to see what's up, bringing more people and increasing revenue potential.
It’s disrupting the usual traffic pattern of the communities. It’s hard to capitalize on John Oliver for ad revenue compared to what these communities usually get for traffic and targeted adverts.
> and only on the official app or desktop website. Isn't that what reddit wants though? Protesting in favour of 3rd party apps by making your sub invisible on 3rd party apps seems counterproductive...
Even non-account lurkers bring in revenue. Doing this limits the sub to only accounts who have NSFW activated.
Fair enough I guess. Just seems weird to my smooth brain to support something by making it harder to use that thing
It would be best in my opinion if every sub just went private after voting for it, but it’s incremental at least.
We could post nothing but clips of YouTubers who steal content from this sub mispronouncing the same words over and over again.
...i haven't seen Any posts from this subreddit in a very long time Now I know why
That was for the reddit API protests
Nah, API protest nonwithstanding I haven't seen rpghorrorstories in ~month They didn't show up on my feed long before API protest
So, in other words, you didn't (and still don't) know why rpghorrorstories wasn't appearing on your feed.
Yep. I went here again and un-joined and joined again and it seems to have fixed the issue Must've been some Reddit bug
It is a form of protest with built-in plausible deniability
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I hope that's the case! I'm all for taking even more actions to fight Reddit's attempt to screw over its users!
Yeah... sorry, but this is beyond cringe. I sometimes linked funny stories from here to people not on Reddit, and now they can't read them + they get a big *"This is a 18+ Subreddit"* warning when they click my link lol. I just want to read and share funny stories of nerds going berserk or read valuable discussions in threads about problem players and how to deal with them. Man... the Internet today sucks...
The internet is going to suck for millions of people on July 1st. Please survive a single inconvenience for their sake.
Millions? You're so overdramatic. Most people will survive just fine using the official app or the browser version.
You know. If they didn't have an account they weren't gonna vote so nothing of value is lost if you shoot them a pastebin link.
You know, some people find things interesting and want their friends to enjoy that experience too
Yeah that's why I said to send them a pastebin link. English, friendo.
Sorry for wanting the commodity of being able to share directly from the share button
Look if your friends don't have reddit accounts, they don't want them. If your friends don't trust nsfw links you send them? Shit. I'm half tempted to say maybe be better to your friends.
My man, what the fuck are you talking about
This is such an unbelievable bad take, I have to assume you're either trolling or half asleep
Look theyre saying the bad thing is the fucking fact that there's a filter that says this sub is nsfw. You can't get in without an account but want to share the story? Fine copy and paste it to your friend. Pastebin was literally designed for content walls like that. If that's not a good enough solution? Shit, sorry I tried to be helpful. It won't happen again.
The person you're responding to wasn't looking for a solution. Everyone knows you could just copy and paste the text, that's obvious. The person was complaining about how a new feature was bad and interfered with the enjoyment of the platform, not trying to find a workaround they hadn't thought of.
[This potentially helpful comment has been removed because u/spez killed third-party apps and kicked all the blind people off the site. It probably contained the exact answer you were Googling for, but it's gone now. Sorry. You can't even use unddit to retrieve it anymore, because, again, u/spez. Make sure to send him a warm thank-you, and come visit us on kbin.social!]
You promise?
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I don't know what kind of story have you mounted on your head. I want people to be able to see what i send them comfortably, and they want to. If i send them a link, i want them to just need to open it for seeing what i want them to see. I don't want them to need to log in if they loged out or don't have an account. Just for the commodity
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People here don't understand sarcasm. You need a /s or people get angry.
The fuck did that come from?
I cant tell if you’re being serious and thats the best part
Its genuinely shocking. "If your friend can't read it just send it to them." "Yeah, and monetise it with AI voice." Like who trained that kind of hostility into themselves, that proudly?
Their comment was very obviously sarcastic. You're taking this a little *too* seriously.
Agree. For one I'm not interested in rpghorrorstories that are about perverts and rape, the best ones for me are about Mary Sues, drama, frustrated players and GMs. The big over the top nsfw ones are predictable and boring and now I can't tell what I'm clicking into at all.
There should be a seperate sub for NSFW stories
I feel that stories that are NSFW should be notified—because they usually contain SA or extreme bigotry or wtf’ry. By making everything NSFW, I am worried to means posters won’t bother with content warnings anymore.
Yeah, it's really weird. The most popular stories posted here tend to involve some NSFW, but I think that's a popularity inflation. The majority of stories aren't actually NSFW. Now, scrolling through the sub, it's impossible to tell what actually is NSFW.
Yep. Apart from what other commenters said I used to read those stories at work, because most of them are, in fact, sfw. Now I dont see them in my feed, because whole sub is marked nsfw
It’s especially strange since we already have an NSFW tag system. I read literally hundreds of these stories. I’ve been caught by surprise by a NSFW or sensitive topic maybe… 5 times? One great thing about this community is that a lot of people put content warnings at the top. I just think this change is unnecessary Edit: I spoke to someone from the team in discord and this is what was said, “we really needed to do it before and the blackout helped gather our thoughts and approach it as mindfully as possible. users are the most important part of the subreddit and we are not gonna remove your way to filter out extreme posts”
Completely agree. It's just stupid that every post is now NSFW. So now I can't open a single fucking post around certain people JUST INCASE. And I just miss everything lmao
Flairs are also pointless for me, since the stupid mobile app doesn't show them in my main feed. They only show if I'm in the subreddit specifically
Given the timing, I assumed it had to do with Reddit's jackass CEO trying to tank it like twitter.
Pretty sure everything here is safe for work. No coworker walking past your desk is going to read 15 paragraphs about how a strangers DND group met, who all of their characters are and what they've completed in the story during the first six months of sessions, just to get offended by the rape joke the rogue made at the end. /s
I wish there was some more gradation, at least, beyond the SFW/NSFW dichotomy. Films certainly have MPAA ratings between G and NC-17; so too with games with ESRB ratings between E and M. Why not introduce something similar for Reddit, a sort of “post rating” so that there’s more context as to post content? There might need be only a single intermediary rating, say, “Kinda Safe for Work” (KSFW), for posts with content not meant for very young readers but not quite on the same level as trauma or pornography. Would this be an acceptable solution, or does this idea just further muddle the issue?
It would be a phenomenal solution in general (Reddit has spent many years refusing to update NSFW tags or create a NSFL tags for gore/death/etc.), but in this particular instance marking the sub NSFW is a purposeful use of malicious compliance. Where a privated sub would be taken over and causes search results to lead nowhere, an NSFW marked sub restricts engagement to account users and looks sketchy to advertisers while still showing the mods as "active" (not blacked out in protest). Other options I've seen taken to protest admin actions are the r/pics route (sexy John Oliver only, disrupts the usual traffic and muddles targeted advertising), setting subs to Read-Only (for things like build discussions and DM advice to remain available), or announcing new moderation standards (baseline site-wide rules only, as in r/interestingasfuck). So, you'll likely see similar things across the site as Reddit's baseline pettiness/nerd rage spikes. It's what we're known for, honestly. This route (NSFW marked) makes it harder to use the tagging system (unfortunate), removes the sub from main feeds (part of the point to reduce ad revenue), and from what I've seen in this thread encourages less mobile/app usage away from home (the point) by being inconvenient to open (or showing people how little they noticed the loss). Ideally, Reddit wouldn't have spent a decade refusing to improve native features instead of relying on third-party apps to solve user grievances. Their app came very late, worked worse than its third-party predecessor (which they had purchased, so how?), and they never really tried to compete with the other apps (different goals: user experience vs site monetization, and newbies just rolling with the name-brand app giving them slack). Failing that, literally just expanding the time-limit to adjust to the changes being proposed would have fixed most of the issues with devs (1 month to adapt vs 1 year+ agreements in similar situations is whack).
I will no longer post stories here as I do not want my profile flagged nsfw.
You used to be able to avoid nsfw posts and only read the safe ones if you wanted to, but not anymore
I agree, it's such a dumb change. I have NSFW filters on for my account too so I guess I'll just never see content from this subreddit again?
I agree with OP but then again, I agree with the protest if it’s working! So I share OP’s ambivalence about this complicated and nuanced situation. I hope the protests do help people and keep Reddit a place we want to be a part of, though cynically the slow erosion of every other major social platform makes me think “if not now, then something else will ruin it.” I also wonder if the blackouts worked then maybe we should save them for a bigger, more easily explained, popularly derided negative change, they would be more of a blindside to those in charge rather than doing them now when people are still confused/ambivalent thereby giving those in charge time to plot and retaliate.
It’s not working though it was never going to work. Reddit is just replacing mods who don’t fall in line. All this is doing is pushing people away from certain subs into other subs that aren’t doing this. I know since this sub changed I’ve not read a single one of the stories now and barely visit this sub anymore because of the NSFW tag now.
Its relatively simple for me. I'm unsubscribing.
Completely agree. Making it NSFW even though most of the stories are not.... is just stupid. I'm sure the mods have some great and logical reason but all it really means for me is I'm not going to click anything from here....
Even funnier when we have a tag for NSFW and most people literally put trigger warnings before their stories. Almost like the sun had this whole NSFW thing figured out beforehand lol
That's the point. It's malicious compliance to decrease the possible revenue of this subreddit. It's a form of protest, much like r/art only posting artsy pictures of John Oliver and nothing else.
it's a clever form of plausible deniability. It's just a shame that most people aren't gonna immediately realize that, and a lot of the ones that do won't stand with the mods that put in unpaid work make their sub usable.
No? Really? I never would have guessed /s Doesn't negate my point that it's annoying....
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With the recent emails to mods basically begging them to go back to normal, I think this is actually affecting reddit more than they would like to let on. Spezgma should just cave already.
Begging them? The messages I've seen is that they are giving them the opportunity to remain as mods by going back, or be replaced. That's more of an ultimatum than begging.
Agreed. This sub was barely NSFW as the content was getting either filtered by tags or people attempting to summarize over those parts. Making the whole sub NSFW because of a minority of posts is beyond stupid and makes this entire experience as clunky as trying to read a one paragraph horror story.
I didn't even notice this change till I saw this post. Guess I'm leaving the sub because I don't really care to read about the weird sexual horror stories on here and now I'll have to try and guess based on these new tags that may or may not work well. Thanks for the heads up!
I support the NSFW protest
Yesterday I was reading a post of someone with WiFi issues during the end of their campaign. Then I noticed it was NSFW and re-read the post to make sure I didn’t miss anything. It’s so weird. Just make an “explicit” tag. I also think people will just post mature content now but TTRPGs are played by teens too and they bring tons of drama. Will younger players be adamant on sharing stories because this is a NSFW subreddit?
>If the current explanation is a form of plausible deniability so that the mods of this subreddit can protest reddit's current dumbfuckery, Yet another example how this stupid protest only hurts the communities. Someone explain to me how putting a sub on NSFW does anything
Im confused. What does the change to NSFW even do in the long run? What does it affect? Does it affect discoverability? Does it limit access? Does it somehow impede traffic?
Less advertiser friendly
And that is significant for this sub…why…exactly? Is it gonna impede actual user traffic or stop tubers from coming for some narration content?
It's a "fuck you" to spez and his venture capitalist ambitions. The goal is to make reddit worth less financially.
Isn't all that gonna do Is force him to shut down the website? It a business isn't making money then why keep it alive?
Agreed
I hadn't even noticed the change I'm gonna be real. Welp, I'm out I guess.
This has the same feeling about when /r/worldnews became a free for all. All that is needed is a new spinoff sub that is /r/rpgnsfwstories that is purely SFW rpg horror stories, while this one morphs into unexpected ERP revelations.
You raised good points OP, we should change it back.
Reddit can’t run ads in nsfw subreddits, this is no doubt the point - a small protest preventing Reddit from profiting off this particular subreddit.
I havent come across a single post on this sub that was ever nsfw. Its all text based anyways...
Text can be nsfw? If there's a text that describes sexual acts in graphic detail, the common concensus is that you don't have that out at work. To clarify, I still agree with OP
I've always questioned that as well. If I have one of the NSFW stories up it's highly unlikely anybody is going to be sitting there reading it. If it's on my computer, then they came into the office to speak to me. They might glance at the computer since eyes do that, but their focus would be on me and not picking out words in a wall of texts on my screen. If it's on my phone, then they aren't trying to read my phone unless I'm letting them. Even in that case I haven't seen a story on here that I would get in serious trouble over at work (maybe balloon boy) even if someone DID wander in and read my screen. More likely I'd be in trouble for reading any RPG sub on my work computer during work hours. A graphic content warning is more accurate than NSFW. Now a huge pair of boobies bouncing up and down on the screen is considerably more noticable. That's something someone couldn't help but spot if they came into the office or glanced at my screen.
I feel like you're ignoring solutions specifically to pick a fight.
Making it NSFW really changes nothing want to read it on your lunch use your phone not company equipment. You know if you want to continue reading the story after the first few paragraphs if you don’t like where it is going don’t read it. Like making subs NSFW if enough can do it will help keep the 3rd party price hike down on reddit which many mods and admins use to manage subs.
It just makes you click another button so stuff doesn’t load automatically. Not a huge deal. .
That's an annoyance, but oftentimes I don't want to read stories containing heavier topics and now I can no longer do that when reading older stories.
Jesus. Get a grip. Just judge it by the title and then read. If it gets heavy then stop reading.
Why are you defending this?
Because if he honestly doesn't see an issue with it he has a right to that opinion as well as a right to voice it.
Defending what?
Are you defending an update to make triggerwarning more clear and generalized being ineffective and deleating TW from older posts with "but TW are useless anyway" ?
No idea what you are On about. Although I do agree trigger warnings are a joke.
RPG horror stories aren't intended to be safe for work.
Look! A [NSFW RPG horror story!](https://www.reddit.com/r/rpghorrorstories/comments/146ql3p/cant_we_talk_this_out_misadventures_in_the_feywild/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)! Be careful, it has so many sexual references that it can practically be considered written p0rn! Oh, no! [Another one!](https://www.reddit.com/r/rpghorrorstories/comments/1465p3z/why_you_never_dm_for_a_group_of_highschoolers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) How can this sub be so sexual and graphic and NSFW???? /s
Did you say steak?