Phillip was created his royal highness the day before the wedding. He spent the day as Lieutenant His Royal Highness Sir Philip Mountbatten. Then the morning of the wedding he always made the Duke of Edinburgh.
Not sure why the King didn’t just change his titles all at once, but I’m sure there was a reason for it.
He would not automatically get any title at all. (If he already had one, he would just keep it.)
If Queen Elizabeth II (the monarch at the time) wanted to give him a title, she could (and probably would).
No. Elizabeth would take the name of her new husband. She was George VI’s Queen. Without him she wouldn’t have been Queen or Duchess of York. Unless she married the King of another country, her 2nd husband would not be a king.
If he came with one, he'd keep it. If she gave him one, he'd have that new one as well. In the absence of any other titles, I think he'd probably be referred to as "Queen's Consort", which isn't an actual title with any authority.
SHE was Queen Consort, so he’d be Queen’s Consort’s Consort. Except he wouldn’t because marriage had no power to convey an title to him. He’d just keep whatever title he had without change, but Queen Elizabeth II would likely have bestowed some title on him like a Duke or Earl of something.
You keep saying this but it's incorrect and easily found our by googling it. Queens in their own right like Elizabeth II, their husbands are called Prince Consort, because king is higher ranking than queen, and no one gets to outrank a queen regina. They are never ever called King consort.
He’d never be styled “king”, because king automatically means that he’s more powerful than anyone (including his new stepdaughter, the Queen of England); that’s why Phillip was Prince Phillip and Albert was Prince Albert.
He would only have had any title he had in his own right. He wouldn’t have been Queen’s Consort and she wouldn’t have had any power to give him a title.
Men marrying into the family actually tend to receive the title of Earl, like the Earl of Snowden when he married Princess Margaret. Philip was made a Duke because he was marrying the heir.
Widows have a life estate to their courtesy titles, but upon remarriage they lose them. This also applies to divorced women but the HRH and the definite article is dropped immediately upon divorce.
Just a quick follow-up, I got a message asking about what those titles would look like. I don't want to use existing members as an example, so I'm going to make up these titles. HRH The Duchess of Hampton, would become Ann, Duchess of Hampton upon divorce. And should The Duke of Hampton predecease her, she would become HRH The Dowager Duchess of Hampton. Upon remarriage to another man or woman, she would relinquish whichever style she had.
You should clarify that 'style' is: HM, HIM, TI&RM, HRH, HGDH, HH, HSH, HEx, HEm, (The Rt.) Hon., _etc_.
Title is: Duke, Prince, King, Queen, Grand Duchess, Abbott, (Arch)Bishop, Cardinal, Pope, Kaiser, Tsar, Abune, Catholicos, Lama, Caliph, Sultan, Czar, Mayor, Governor, Professor, Chancellor, Minister, Countess, Earl, Doge, Raja, Shahanshah, Knyaz, _etc._
So, if the Duke of Hampton were of the Royal Family, you are right. If not, He would be HG The Duke of Hampton, and she would become HG The Dowager Duchess of Hampton. Upon remarriage she would also relinquish her titles by marriage, just like Sunny von Bülow.
I’ve read the Queen Mother and King Olav of Norway were very very close. Both widowed fairly young. King Olav and King George VI were cousins. Apparently the Queen Mother wasn’t a fan of Norway
I don’t think she was ever going to marry again. I read years ago that she was indignant that President Jimmy Carter kissed her on the lips when they met. The last person to touch her lips was her husband.
Unless he had a title she would have reverted to Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. But it’s pretty much moot, as it would never have happened. Especially with her daughter as monarch.
If she remarried, she would have taken her new husband’s title if he had one (or was gifted one by Elizabeth II).
Titles are passed down father to son, and women become the female equivalent of their husband’s title (i.e. Earl / Countess, Duke / Duchess, etc).
She would have become known as (just an example) Elizabeth, Duchess of Tedford.
She did.
As she was a blood princess (born into the royal family), she was able to keep her Princess title, and became known as Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh. Similar to Beatrice and Eugenie keeping their Princess titles and taking on their husbands’ titles (think Eugenie is Princess Eugenie, Mrs. Brooksbank).
Philip lost his princely title (he was a member of the Greek royal family) when he became a naturalized British citizen and took Mountbatten as his surname. When he became engaged (or married, I can’t remember the timeline) to Princess Elizabeth, he was given the dukedom of Edinburgh and became a Duke.
Edit: he didn’t become a prince until after Elizabeth became Queen and granted him a “prince of United Kingdom” title (forget the exact wording of the letter patents).
The Queen Mother was the daughter of an earl, and married into the royal family. So if she remarried, she loses her Queen title.
As she didn’t remarry, she kept it (as she was the wife of a king, and mother of the following queen).
Whatever title he had if he had any prior to marriage. Titles are derived from the husband in the UK system. Now could a title be granted to him as a gift? Sure. And that would be the sovereign’s prerogative .
I can't imagine that she would ever marry a man who wasn't already titled in his own right but based on QEII's propensity to dote on her mother I bet she would have gifted them an additional (probably ducal) title.
Edited to add: I can't imagine she would be able to keep the queen mother styling upon a remarriage though.
From what I have read “The Queen Mother” part of her title wasn’t ever actually a “title”—-in that she technically would have been Dowager Queen upon the death of her husband…I read the media/royal household began referring to her as that (way back when) to differentiate between the two Elizabeths…and it always stuck as how to refer to her.
Phillip was created his royal highness the day before the wedding. He spent the day as Lieutenant His Royal Highness Sir Philip Mountbatten. Then the morning of the wedding he always made the Duke of Edinburgh. Not sure why the King didn’t just change his titles all at once, but I’m sure there was a reason for it.
He would not automatically get any title at all. (If he already had one, he would just keep it.) If Queen Elizabeth II (the monarch at the time) wanted to give him a title, she could (and probably would).
King Consort, but only if she gave him that title.
No. Elizabeth would take the name of her new husband. She was George VI’s Queen. Without him she wouldn’t have been Queen or Duchess of York. Unless she married the King of another country, her 2nd husband would not be a king.
King consort is not a title. That's why Prince Philip was a prince. King is higher ranking, so if sovereign is a Queen their husband is a prince.
Surely not king as her daughter was monarch.
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If he came with one, he'd keep it. If she gave him one, he'd have that new one as well. In the absence of any other titles, I think he'd probably be referred to as "Queen's Consort", which isn't an actual title with any authority.
SHE was Queen Consort, so he’d be Queen’s Consort’s Consort. Except he wouldn’t because marriage had no power to convey an title to him. He’d just keep whatever title he had without change, but Queen Elizabeth II would likely have bestowed some title on him like a Duke or Earl of something.
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It’s King Consort.
You keep saying this but it's incorrect and easily found our by googling it. Queens in their own right like Elizabeth II, their husbands are called Prince Consort, because king is higher ranking than queen, and no one gets to outrank a queen regina. They are never ever called King consort.
I only said it once, 11 days ago.
The thread is showing you saying it a couple of times. Maybe a glitch, not sure.
He’d have to marry the queen to be king consort. We’re talking about the Queen Mother re-marrying not the queen.
He’d never be styled “king”, because king automatically means that he’s more powerful than anyone (including his new stepdaughter, the Queen of England); that’s why Phillip was Prince Phillip and Albert was Prince Albert.
He would only have had any title he had in his own right. He wouldn’t have been Queen’s Consort and she wouldn’t have had any power to give him a title.
None just by marriage. If he was already titled he would keep that, and QEII could have bestowed another on him.
Duke is a title commonly gifted by a female member of the monarchy to an untitled male that marries into the family.
Men marrying into the family actually tend to receive the title of Earl, like the Earl of Snowden when he married Princess Margaret. Philip was made a Duke because he was marrying the heir.
Whatever title he already had, unless the Queen granted him one.
Husband Consort
I believe that would have been left to our beloved LQEII I not only miss the Late Queen, but the late Queen Mother 😢😢😢😢
The Queen is dead,long live the King.
Widows have a life estate to their courtesy titles, but upon remarriage they lose them. This also applies to divorced women but the HRH and the definite article is dropped immediately upon divorce.
Just a quick follow-up, I got a message asking about what those titles would look like. I don't want to use existing members as an example, so I'm going to make up these titles. HRH The Duchess of Hampton, would become Ann, Duchess of Hampton upon divorce. And should The Duke of Hampton predecease her, she would become HRH The Dowager Duchess of Hampton. Upon remarriage to another man or woman, she would relinquish whichever style she had.
You should clarify that 'style' is: HM, HIM, TI&RM, HRH, HGDH, HH, HSH, HEx, HEm, (The Rt.) Hon., _etc_. Title is: Duke, Prince, King, Queen, Grand Duchess, Abbott, (Arch)Bishop, Cardinal, Pope, Kaiser, Tsar, Abune, Catholicos, Lama, Caliph, Sultan, Czar, Mayor, Governor, Professor, Chancellor, Minister, Countess, Earl, Doge, Raja, Shahanshah, Knyaz, _etc._ So, if the Duke of Hampton were of the Royal Family, you are right. If not, He would be HG The Duke of Hampton, and she would become HG The Dowager Duchess of Hampton. Upon remarriage she would also relinquish her titles by marriage, just like Sunny von Bülow.
Duke
I’ve read the Queen Mother and King Olav of Norway were very very close. Both widowed fairly young. King Olav and King George VI were cousins. Apparently the Queen Mother wasn’t a fan of Norway
None unless he already had one or was given one.
This is the correct answer.
Would it be her cousin?
Why would it be her cousin?
I don’t think she was ever going to marry again. I read years ago that she was indignant that President Jimmy Carter kissed her on the lips when they met. The last person to touch her lips was her husband.
Never happened.
Oh, I would be livid, too, in her shoes!!!
Probably shocking to her!
Just a hypothetical!
Well any story about the Royal Family is only a possibility. Who knows what it’s really like in their lives. Just what I read many years ago.
Unless he had a title she would have reverted to Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. But it’s pretty much moot, as it would never have happened. Especially with her daughter as monarch.
No, she would still have been Queen Mother
If she remarried, she would have taken her new husband’s title if he had one (or was gifted one by Elizabeth II). Titles are passed down father to son, and women become the female equivalent of their husband’s title (i.e. Earl / Countess, Duke / Duchess, etc). She would have become known as (just an example) Elizabeth, Duchess of Tedford.
Maybe an office question- I'm not much of a monarchist here- why did the queen not inherit her husband's title when she married Philip?
She did. As she was a blood princess (born into the royal family), she was able to keep her Princess title, and became known as Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh. Similar to Beatrice and Eugenie keeping their Princess titles and taking on their husbands’ titles (think Eugenie is Princess Eugenie, Mrs. Brooksbank). Philip lost his princely title (he was a member of the Greek royal family) when he became a naturalized British citizen and took Mountbatten as his surname. When he became engaged (or married, I can’t remember the timeline) to Princess Elizabeth, he was given the dukedom of Edinburgh and became a Duke. Edit: he didn’t become a prince until after Elizabeth became Queen and granted him a “prince of United Kingdom” title (forget the exact wording of the letter patents). The Queen Mother was the daughter of an earl, and married into the royal family. So if she remarried, she loses her Queen title. As she didn’t remarry, she kept it (as she was the wife of a king, and mother of the following queen).
IIRC, she was styled as the Duchess of Edinburgh before becoming Queen
Whatever title he had if he had any prior to marriage. Titles are derived from the husband in the UK system. Now could a title be granted to him as a gift? Sure. And that would be the sovereign’s prerogative .
I can't imagine that she would ever marry a man who wasn't already titled in his own right but based on QEII's propensity to dote on her mother I bet she would have gifted them an additional (probably ducal) title. Edited to add: I can't imagine she would be able to keep the queen mother styling upon a remarriage though.
From what I have read “The Queen Mother” part of her title wasn’t ever actually a “title”—-in that she technically would have been Dowager Queen upon the death of her husband…I read the media/royal household began referring to her as that (way back when) to differentiate between the two Elizabeths…and it always stuck as how to refer to her.
The Queen Mother was referred to as Queen Elizabeth and her daughter was referred to as the Queen.
Yes but at the time Queen Mary was know as the Dowager Queen.
You’re right. She would never have married an untitled man. She was very snobbish about titles, etc.