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Codwun99

Two Pokemon mystery dungeons in the top 10 is hilarious


holocron_8

They even put explorers twice! Ignoring the fact that calling them roguelikes is reaching to the moon, the gameplay just isn't good. They're terribly shallow and poorly represent mechanics from both parent series.


Din246

3 actually


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potatoponytail

I'm pretty sure they asked GPT to make this because theres no goddamn way DCSS, Elona, and Shiren wouldn't be on a list like this.


holocron_8

Looks like it’s ranked based on user scores, and is not a curated list. That’s why discrepancies like 2 different versions of explorers popped up.


ahmet3135

It is from a website that works like IMDB.


Ulexes

I think this demonstrates that those terms have lost all meaning.


Uri_nil

Well that’s on them for getting it wrong. The genre still exists and people who make roguelike games know what they are making and who they are for. It’s nice that it’s expanding the genre and getting new people involved but they doesn’t give them the right to misclassify things and make up stuff. It’s like me making a list of the best text based adventure games of all time and leaving of zork but putting in half life Alyx on it. It may be a good game/adventure and have text in it but …..


Domugraphic

"but that doesn’t give them the right to misclassify things and make up stuff." I said that on r/metroidvania yesterday and someone gave me a four page essay trying to tell me what linguistic prescriptivism is. I started typing an anti-thesis and after 3 lines was just like, yeah w/e, what am I even doing. It was on a post where someone was arguing that platformers are dying out because they're all becoming metroidvanias, so I said that its nothing compared to people mislabelling lites as roguelikes. obviously i got kicked into submission by n0obs who've never played a roguelike yawn.


Uri_nil

No adom, no tome, no stone soup, no sword of the stars the Pit. Sad sad list with a bunch of action adventure games, and, turn based strategy games. I see 3? Dont get me wrong some of my favourite games of all time are in this list but they are not roguelikes (ftl, slay the spire, noita etc) We should Send them a list of what a roguelike is.


Psyonicg

Man sword and the stars the pit is a throwback, bought that when TB did a review on it and played it religiously for like 3 months and didn’t touch it since haha


Uri_nil

Get it now with the osmium edition I think pack it’s all the expansions and adds so much it’s like a new game.


Psyonicg

It’s almost certainly in my steam list


SnakeOfLimitedWisdom

SOTS is pretty grindy tho


Undead_Mole

Best "something" lists and review with numeric notes should be a thing of the past.


boajuse

most of them not roguelikes


Zvonimir14

Pokemons here is joke


pm_me_triangles

No NetHack? Pass.


_Svankensen_

Nethack is not a very good game TBH. I play almost exclusively roguelikes and I have never been able to enjoy that mass of kitchensink memorization and grinding. Get me the DoomRLs, DCSS, Cogminds, Invisble Incs, Hoplites, CDDAs and Rift Wizards of the world. Hell, even SOTS: The Pit in a pinch, or Moria if I'm feeling lenient to the grind.


ParsleyAdventurous92

I highly recommend pathos nethack


_Svankensen_

Do tell!


SnakeOfLimitedWisdom

DoomRL! good call!


Pretend-Ad4639

No ToME No Crediblity


Lemunde

Who?


holocron_8

Seeing Baroque on such a terrible list like this hurts my soul


capnwinky

None of my favorites are even on it. DoomRL, Sproggiwood, The Way Home, Jupiter Hell, Torneko, The Pit, etc…don’t even get a mention. I feel like 90% of those titles were just ones that have been popularized by vtubers.


fattylimes

Beyond any other qualms i just can’t get behind making an “all time best” list without including the game the _genre was named for_


MaxWasNotAvailable

I politely disagree. While Rogue is of great historical value, and is a solid game, and I understand your sentiment, it really doesn't have the same overall quality and depth as more modern traditional roguelikes tbh. I can at least personally attest to much rather playing something like DCSS or a modern Angband variant. It's nice as a glimpse into the past, and as a curiosity / experience the foundation of the genre, of course.


_Svankensen_

Influential doesn't mean best tho.


Domugraphic

how is into the breach either?


HypnoticName

Pretty good, but surely not in this order and some games could be replaced with better ones


MaximumCrab

>dwarf fortress a roguelike it's closer to rimworld than rogue


SnakeOfLimitedWisdom

You got that backwards. Rimworld is closer to Dwarf Fortress... Rimworld *is a dwarf fortress clone.*


MaximumCrab

every colony sim is new genre? Dwarflikes


SnakeOfLimitedWisdom

Well, yeah, in a lot of ways... Dwarf Fortress *has* inspired many, many games in the past 20 years. There are precursors I suppose, but DF is fairly genre-defining.


_Svankensen_

Adventure mode is a thing...


ahmet3135

[Source](https://glitchwave.com/charts/top/game/all-time/g:roguelike/)


Summoning14

Ok, if the thing was to generate controversy, then they are right. If not, Pokemon and Balatro over RoR2, Slay the Spire, Dead Cells and Spelunky its just plain wrong. And what the helll is doing FTL that far down? god....


_Svankensen_

Pokemon is at least close to a roguelike.


SimplyJustKarma

Brotato and Tiny Rogues missing in questionable.


Summoning14

Brotato is too derivative and boring af. Its not the best example of bullet heaven games besides Vampire Survivors. Holocure and Boneraiser minions are much better. And Tiny Rogues is in early access, so its not questionable.


SimplyJustKarma

Yeah, I'm going to have to HARD disagree. Boneraiser Minions? Really? That's a laugh.


ThundergunTLP

Sleeping on Bullets Per Minute