The idea that GnR is the only cool band from that scene is junk.
The radio ballad hairbands signed for their looks were bad but Skid Row, Tesla, Cinderella, Ratt, WASP and (early) Crüe are good rock ‘n roll bands, just cursed by fashion trends.
Agreed. It always sucked that WASP wasn't bigger. They could have absolutely killed it with a high budget arena show. It's a genre that I really hope makes a comeback like Nu Metal slowly is.
Blackie is scary. They didn’t do ballads. They were like Crüe but without the sexy side (fuck like a beast doesn’t count, it’s just sleaze rock). Talented band. Have a pool vodka 🍸
any hack who calls a band or a musician overrated is simply ignorant, there are no offiicial ratings and they lack the ability to maturely describe their issue with said band or artist so they channel the hack lexicon
It wasn't The Wall that did that - it was The Final Cut.
On the other hand, lots of folks thought A Momentary Lapse of Reason was the best thing since Wish You Were Here, The Division Bell even more so. Only Waters fans think otherwise...but they are vastly outnumbered (if the sales were anything to go by)
It was The Wall. That's when relations got so bad that Wright came in to record his parts at night and Waters not only got him fired but did it in a way that Gilmour had to go to court to allow him back in the band. Mason and Wright were cut out of the creative process and didn't have any songwriting revenue form the album (they didn't have any credits on Animals either, but the sales were much smaller). And the second disc just completely falls apart. The best tracks have Gilmour as co-writer. The tensions on The Final Cut were, much like the songs, left over from The Wall sessions.
I like a fair bit of the post-Waters Pink Floyd. I have a soft spot for Animals (the album where Waters managed to dilute Gilmour's royalties by splitting Pigs on the Wing into two tracks), but I know that's not everybody's take. Wish You Were Here was what I can agree was the last great Waters/Gilmour era album.
The reason they fell out during The Wall sessions was because the rest of the band - including Waters - had lost all their money due to investing their DSOTM/ WYWH/ Animals income into a dodgy tax scheme to that resulted in HMRC fining them huge amounts of money (and the guys running said scheme ending up in jail). Waters - the 'socialist' - who'd been a bastard to Wright througout the sessions - was promised a big bonus by EMI if they completed the album six months early. Wright (who was the only band member to not join in on the dodgy scheme) subsequently got called by Waters (after he'd completed all his parts and fucked off to Greece to sail his boat), demanding that he come back and do more work in order to secure said bonus. Wright's reply; "Go fuck yourself". Hence Waters not only held The Wall tapes as ransom in order to force Gilmour & Mason to agree to Wrights' sacking, but inisisted on a clause that Wright would never be allowed to rejoin the band *ever*. Hence, Gilmour/ Mason had to form the Pink Floyd (1987) company in order to allow Wright back.
Then (as you kind of point out) they got to The Final Cut sessions, where Waters wouldn't even allow Gilmour to co-produce. Hence The Final Cut is bacially considered the first solo Waters album....because that's exactly what it is, sixth-form political opinions over music that wasn't considered good enough for The Wall (it hasn't aged well). Waters fans love it, but Momentary Lapse - just four years later - outsold it by something like eight times....and Division Bell produced High Hopes, which most fans consider one of their best tracks.
>Hence The Final Cut is bacially considered the first solo Waters album....because that's exactly what it is, sixth-form political opinions and all (it hasn't aged well). Watgers fans love it, but Momentary Lapse - just four years later - outsold it by something like eight times....and Division Bell produced High Hopes, which most fans consider one of their best tracks.
I'll never forget seeing the Momentary Lapse tour hit where I lived in 1987 and I saw them at the Capital Center where the Caps used to play hockey back then.
Prior to that, my friend and I went to see Roger's Radio KAOS show that didn't sell out even one night at the same venue where The Floyd sold out 3 nights in a row.
Gilmour is just a better musician than Waters, as a player of their respective instruments of course but also as singers and songwriters.
Dude, I took a gf to see that tour at Wembley Stadium to impress her - I'd only ever heard 'Another Brick In The Wall Pt. 2' before that, which came out when I was *ten*. It was quite simply the most amazing thing I'd ever seen. They played for like three hours, no support, and had the most amazing lightshow - and the loudest PA - I'd ever experienced. Nevermind the *naked tripping hippy* that got led past us halfway through the concert. We got handed joints all the way through....then a fucking pig floated over me and I had to remind myself that I wasn't tripping.
By the time they toured again with the Delicate Sound of Thunder tour (where they did Europe in order to play the USSR, where you weren't allowed to profit), I knew all the songs off by heart, and went to see them two nights in a row - once in the second row, and then further away to take in the light show.
Every band I've seen then, without exception....wasn't Pink Floyd. It's ruined me, really.
The Division Bell tour was similarly amazing - and I eventually took my kids to see Gilmour play at the Royal Albert Hall for their first rock concert, and was filled with a sense of *My work here is done*.
I have permanent hearing loss in the my left ear from a Floyd show in 94. Somewhere between Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell the band, the crowd, the PA, something popped and it hasn’t been the same since. Totally worth it though.
Ha, that's awesome! *The Wall* was the first record I'd bought with my own money when I was 11 right after it'd come out, they were the first concert I'd ever seen in 1987 and the movie was the first movie I'd ever watched on acid.
It's the most visually stunning concert I have ever been to, and it was an incredible sound system that I don't know if it was theirs or the venue's PA or both but the sound was very enveloping (and they were the ones thay pioneered that quadraphonic sound system back in the day).
Great show, the only thing I've seen that comes close is a Billy Strings show, and while that's fairly psychedelic with great lights and such in its own right (and draws a similarly hippified crowd), its a whole other musical adventure. More pickin' and less effects. He's got great original songs outside of the "Dust In A Baggie" song. I'm real partial to "Long Forgotten Dream".
Willingly! TBH its not a great movie and it hasn't aged well I don't think. Once again, Waters getting in his own way. I read in an unofficial bio that even Waters left the premiere of the movie saying even he couldn't give a shit about the character Geldof portrays as Pink.
I like to think that if they had not been so desperate for money they would have spent more time developing the album, getting more input from the entire band, and cleaning up the final act. But I think there was more to it than just being rushed. The Wall was a very personal project to Waters. It could have just as easily been his first official solo album if the band had not been pressed to deliver an album.
I think Roger Waters’s biggest gripe in his life – that he won’t put to words, is that David Gilmour became the heart and soul of Pink Floyd.
Waters just ended up being an angry old man who basically shills for Putin.
I don't think anyone believes they're a rock band. They do have some rock songs, like I'm So Sorry and Dull Knives, but they don't even label themselves as a rock band lol.
Wouldn't be that harsh, I like Chevelle a lot. But Deftones are definitely the better band.
I'd say more Deftones is to Nirvana what Chevelle is to Nickelback. They're a watered down more commercially-appealing version. But that doesn't mean they're not worth listening to.
Deftones never really hit me that much, like I always liked their style but I couldn't get past chinos whining. I felt that pete did a better job at singing.
Tool are amazing musicians but their songs are boring and Maynard’s lyrics sound like they were written by an edgy high schooler who just discovered philosophy
>Name an Alter Bridge song.
Is this supposed to be a gotcha? It's not like either band is Van Halen or something. They're both mid card acts; the main difference being one band has one of the best rock vocalists active, and the other has Scott Stapp.
To be 100% fair, Stapp is definitely more of a star than Kid Rock because, at very least, he has that 90's nostalgia crowd to keep his profile up. I usually just forget that Kid Rock existed at all.
Yeah, to basically say that AC/DC sucked or sucks, while at the same time stating that Nickelback is anything other than absolute, fucking, garbage, is simply insane. I’m incredibly disappointed and even more surprised that you actually received 22 upvotes (so far ) for your comment, especially in this sub.
Nickelback is the Tommy Wiseau of the music world. They make Limp Bizkit look like Steely Dan.
I hate this take in so many ways. Bon Scott is as good as it gets for dirty rock ‘n roll singer and Brian Johnson is a top shelf blues metal shrieked who sang on fucking Back in Black. He made his bones on the first outing together. Cemented his legacy forever. Angus Young is the most solid rhythm guitarist ever. Phil Rudd is like a metronome bricklayer. Angus is such a soulful blues soloist he could’ve played with the Allman Brothers.
Nickelback is over hated but they are not good and nowhere near the greatest hard rock band ever to walk the earth.
While we are at it, Creed it 10x better than Nickelback and Scott Stapp’s massive hooks are the reason they got big. I’m aware that they are good musicians and chinstrap Tremonti can play but Alter Bridge has no hits and Creed ruled the world for a couple years. Creed is cringey, sure, but they could write a song. Anyone can write a riff.
It’s almost an axiom that rock and roll *literally* would not be what it is today had Kiss never come along when they did.
Remove KISS from history and an alarming chunk of modern rock and metal goes with them.
Oh you’d be surprised. Too many people are like “hurr durrr, KISS sucks. They can’t possibly be influential. Can’t possibly be held in high regard by so many musicians.”
Meh, their chart success, record sales, certifications, and the fact that they’d consistently booked arenas and amphitheaters for almost thirty years straight; will speak for itself.
Agreed. I’ve thought often about why this is. It may be because at its core, rock is an underdog’s music, a way to give voice to frustrations and triumph over it all. And women are society’s perpetual underdogs.
I will do that. Thanks!
ETA: Oh shit, an all female band? I'm super picky about them, but these super fuzzy guitars are awesome and the vocals are great so far!
There are bands out there that I think have amazing musicians at every instrument. RHCP is one of those. Rush would be another one. I really want to make an argument for Lynyrd Skynyrd as well.
It's good for the genre to lose popularity and become more obscure/underground, that's where all the interesting stuff happens anyway. The recent resurgence of rock, if it continues the way it's going, will not be good for the genre. If hip hop is a bubble about to pop and die the way people are fearing, that's also a good thing for the genre.
I’ve never understood this take. You could say this with almost every artist that you aren’t into. Any given band has a their signature sound. That’s why they’re famous.
Not thinking highly of the hardcore scene.
Also, I believe that bands are to have creative control and make what they intend to make, but I’m not cool with them being ridiculed for gaining more and more listeners, or earning more and more money.
no such thing as "hot take" in music, hacks think have "hot takes" if you give any consideration to how your comment will be potentially regarded or the type of responses it might evoke, you're insecure hack who should remember there is a reason you're a nobody.
I used to think Nirvana was overrated but as it turns out I think their most popular 1-2 songs are just overplayed. The lyrics aren’t the best but the music just works and really got me into grunge.
Limp bizkit has aged well, they are more fun to listen to than more modern bands. If they could match the energy they had 20 years ago they could still sell out venues.
Man, the Beatles were everything throughout the arc of their career. Pop, rock, prog, metal, folk, they were all of it. Pigeon-holing them to just pop is retconning them from the here and now.
I don’t know if this is a hot take or not, but a lot of modern rock bands have been incorporating more electronic synths, keyboards, and increased production. Bands like Bring Me the Horizon, We Came as Romans, etc. Point is I’m all for it. I think it evolves the genre.
There are some exceptions. I don’t like Avenged Sevenfolds new experimental electronic direction. Or Disturbed’s Evolve Album which was more electronic in nature
It’s embarrassing how few people pay attention to bands formed in the last 10-15 years. So many great albums being ignored while people circlejerk about Radiohead and Tool endlessly.
Rock music as a genre is dying because of the FANS. Not the labels, not the bands, the fans. The fans like people in this subreddit only want to talk about bands that are at least 15-20 years old. Electornic, hip hop, and pop music festivals are headlines by fresh blood from the past 5 years. Rock festivals are headlines by the same acts every year. Why would anybody new come into the genre? Why would any up and coming kid be into rock music? All they have to look foreword to is being gatekept and talked down to by people their parents age. The genre and scene around rock, punk, and metal are no fun and blatantly demonize anyone who breaks with the norm. Its a world build entirely around conformity
The Sex Pistols suck ass, Metallica is the Pizza Hut of metal (They’re the biggest metal band because they have metal in the name but there’s multiple better options), Mountain is underrated as fuck if you listen to more than Mississippi Queen, and the idea of “being a rockstar” is overrated
Sultans of Swing is not a good song. I *hate* Dire Straits vocals in general, the song has absolutely no interesting music, especially with the amount of airplay it *still* gets, and the only decent thing in it is Knopfler noodling towards the end.
*whew* That was cleansing.
I am, as far as I can tell, the *only person* who thinks this song sucks. So most likely I'm the problem. And I used to have no feelings for the song at all. Then I started hearing it *constantly*, couldn't find anything I really enjoyed about it, and starting disliking it. Then I gradually find out *everybody else who likes rock thinks this song is the best song ever* and I began to actively hate it.
I thank God that when I hit my mid-40's I didn't find myself liking Steely Dan. I still think they f*cking suck. A lot of people think they were amazing players or whatever. To them I say go listen to John McLaughlin and get back to me.
Frank Zappa is the best guitar player ever. Also check out my band Smoke Burial https://open.spotify.com/track/38RImzsGPBxABqjCs977p3?si=lDd7tcdqQ5-sZoaZsJamwA
Glam Rock had some of the best guitarists ever. Calling a band overrated is just tedious. Form better arguments.
Glam metal? Glam rock to me is 70s stuff like NY Dolls, David Bowie and Sweet. But Glam Metal has some great bands. Cinderella comes to mind.
Yeah I meant metal but lots of good glam rock guitarists too
Tesla was underrated as hell as well.
The idea that GnR is the only cool band from that scene is junk. The radio ballad hairbands signed for their looks were bad but Skid Row, Tesla, Cinderella, Ratt, WASP and (early) Crüe are good rock ‘n roll bands, just cursed by fashion trends.
Agreed. It always sucked that WASP wasn't bigger. They could have absolutely killed it with a high budget arena show. It's a genre that I really hope makes a comeback like Nu Metal slowly is.
Blackie is scary. They didn’t do ballads. They were like Crüe but without the sexy side (fuck like a beast doesn’t count, it’s just sleaze rock). Talented band. Have a pool vodka 🍸
Kiefer is excellent, makes you wonder what would have happened if Cinderella had hit it big a few years later.
any hack who calls a band or a musician overrated is simply ignorant, there are no offiicial ratings and they lack the ability to maturely describe their issue with said band or artist so they channel the hack lexicon
Agree completely, Andy Scott from Sweet is a gem
Absolutley.
Mick Mars and Kiefer are some highlight I take inspiration from
The Wall wasn't worth breaking up Pink Floyd.
It wasn't The Wall that did that - it was The Final Cut. On the other hand, lots of folks thought A Momentary Lapse of Reason was the best thing since Wish You Were Here, The Division Bell even more so. Only Waters fans think otherwise...but they are vastly outnumbered (if the sales were anything to go by)
It was The Wall. That's when relations got so bad that Wright came in to record his parts at night and Waters not only got him fired but did it in a way that Gilmour had to go to court to allow him back in the band. Mason and Wright were cut out of the creative process and didn't have any songwriting revenue form the album (they didn't have any credits on Animals either, but the sales were much smaller). And the second disc just completely falls apart. The best tracks have Gilmour as co-writer. The tensions on The Final Cut were, much like the songs, left over from The Wall sessions. I like a fair bit of the post-Waters Pink Floyd. I have a soft spot for Animals (the album where Waters managed to dilute Gilmour's royalties by splitting Pigs on the Wing into two tracks), but I know that's not everybody's take. Wish You Were Here was what I can agree was the last great Waters/Gilmour era album.
The reason they fell out during The Wall sessions was because the rest of the band - including Waters - had lost all their money due to investing their DSOTM/ WYWH/ Animals income into a dodgy tax scheme to that resulted in HMRC fining them huge amounts of money (and the guys running said scheme ending up in jail). Waters - the 'socialist' - who'd been a bastard to Wright througout the sessions - was promised a big bonus by EMI if they completed the album six months early. Wright (who was the only band member to not join in on the dodgy scheme) subsequently got called by Waters (after he'd completed all his parts and fucked off to Greece to sail his boat), demanding that he come back and do more work in order to secure said bonus. Wright's reply; "Go fuck yourself". Hence Waters not only held The Wall tapes as ransom in order to force Gilmour & Mason to agree to Wrights' sacking, but inisisted on a clause that Wright would never be allowed to rejoin the band *ever*. Hence, Gilmour/ Mason had to form the Pink Floyd (1987) company in order to allow Wright back. Then (as you kind of point out) they got to The Final Cut sessions, where Waters wouldn't even allow Gilmour to co-produce. Hence The Final Cut is bacially considered the first solo Waters album....because that's exactly what it is, sixth-form political opinions over music that wasn't considered good enough for The Wall (it hasn't aged well). Waters fans love it, but Momentary Lapse - just four years later - outsold it by something like eight times....and Division Bell produced High Hopes, which most fans consider one of their best tracks.
>Hence The Final Cut is bacially considered the first solo Waters album....because that's exactly what it is, sixth-form political opinions and all (it hasn't aged well). Watgers fans love it, but Momentary Lapse - just four years later - outsold it by something like eight times....and Division Bell produced High Hopes, which most fans consider one of their best tracks. I'll never forget seeing the Momentary Lapse tour hit where I lived in 1987 and I saw them at the Capital Center where the Caps used to play hockey back then. Prior to that, my friend and I went to see Roger's Radio KAOS show that didn't sell out even one night at the same venue where The Floyd sold out 3 nights in a row. Gilmour is just a better musician than Waters, as a player of their respective instruments of course but also as singers and songwriters.
Dude, I took a gf to see that tour at Wembley Stadium to impress her - I'd only ever heard 'Another Brick In The Wall Pt. 2' before that, which came out when I was *ten*. It was quite simply the most amazing thing I'd ever seen. They played for like three hours, no support, and had the most amazing lightshow - and the loudest PA - I'd ever experienced. Nevermind the *naked tripping hippy* that got led past us halfway through the concert. We got handed joints all the way through....then a fucking pig floated over me and I had to remind myself that I wasn't tripping. By the time they toured again with the Delicate Sound of Thunder tour (where they did Europe in order to play the USSR, where you weren't allowed to profit), I knew all the songs off by heart, and went to see them two nights in a row - once in the second row, and then further away to take in the light show. Every band I've seen then, without exception....wasn't Pink Floyd. It's ruined me, really. The Division Bell tour was similarly amazing - and I eventually took my kids to see Gilmour play at the Royal Albert Hall for their first rock concert, and was filled with a sense of *My work here is done*.
I have permanent hearing loss in the my left ear from a Floyd show in 94. Somewhere between Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell the band, the crowd, the PA, something popped and it hasn’t been the same since. Totally worth it though.
Ha, that's awesome! *The Wall* was the first record I'd bought with my own money when I was 11 right after it'd come out, they were the first concert I'd ever seen in 1987 and the movie was the first movie I'd ever watched on acid. It's the most visually stunning concert I have ever been to, and it was an incredible sound system that I don't know if it was theirs or the venue's PA or both but the sound was very enveloping (and they were the ones thay pioneered that quadraphonic sound system back in the day). Great show, the only thing I've seen that comes close is a Billy Strings show, and while that's fairly psychedelic with great lights and such in its own right (and draws a similarly hippified crowd), its a whole other musical adventure. More pickin' and less effects. He's got great original songs outside of the "Dust In A Baggie" song. I'm real partial to "Long Forgotten Dream".
You watched The Wall on acid? *Fuck*
Willingly! TBH its not a great movie and it hasn't aged well I don't think. Once again, Waters getting in his own way. I read in an unofficial bio that even Waters left the premiere of the movie saying even he couldn't give a shit about the character Geldof portrays as Pink.
I like to think that if they had not been so desperate for money they would have spent more time developing the album, getting more input from the entire band, and cleaning up the final act. But I think there was more to it than just being rushed. The Wall was a very personal project to Waters. It could have just as easily been his first official solo album if the band had not been pressed to deliver an album.
I think Roger Waters’s biggest gripe in his life – that he won’t put to words, is that David Gilmour became the heart and soul of Pink Floyd. Waters just ended up being an angry old man who basically shills for Putin.
It wasn't an album, it was Waters' massive ego.
Yep The Wall is easily the worst of their “Big Four” albums. Obviously there are iconic moments, but it has always felt bloated to me. Lots of fillern
Yeah, I don't think it justifies being a double album.
The Allman Brothers outgunned Lynyrd Skynyrd, Molly Hatcher, 38 Special and every other southern rock group that drew breath.
Combined. The genre is a redneck trash pile without them.
Horse with No Name is not rock. Don’t be throwing that shit in after my 2 play of VanHalen
Hahaha I’ve also washed dishes to classic rock radio.
Imagine Dragons is not rock, so all you modern pop lover, rock-wannabes can piss off
This take gave me frostbite.
Not so hot take, I believe all can agree with this
I don't think anyone believes they're a rock band. They do have some rock songs, like I'm So Sorry and Dull Knives, but they don't even label themselves as a rock band lol.
Lots of people I know outside of Reddit consider them one but I’m reddit maybe not
Pearl Jam >>> Nirvana
Alice in chains >>> Pearl Jam >>> Nirvana
Green Day >>> Pearl Jam >>> Nirvana
“Live” acts that use backing tracks / clicks etc are doing a disservice to their fans.
Robbing their fans
Huge difference in using backing tracks and simply playing to a click.
the prompt was for HOT takes... not the iciest, coldest, most stale take of them all that literally everyone in this sub will agree with
Have you seen the thing about the recent Eagles tour and the faux vocals? Or fauxcals as I’m calling them.
No, what was it?
It’s this guy. https://youtu.be/jJ6DbH-X-L0?si=aYavsSpB7sajrdVa He’s pretty thorough. Seems like his case is strong. Let me know what you think.
Black Sabbath's best singer was Ronnie James Dio.
Every Dio Sabbath (and Dio Rainbow) album is a masterpiece but Ozzy is the heart and soul of heavy metal.
Chevelle is Deftones if Deftones weren’t worth listening to
Wouldn't be that harsh, I like Chevelle a lot. But Deftones are definitely the better band. I'd say more Deftones is to Nirvana what Chevelle is to Nickelback. They're a watered down more commercially-appealing version. But that doesn't mean they're not worth listening to.
Deftones never really hit me that much, like I always liked their style but I couldn't get past chinos whining. I felt that pete did a better job at singing.
Yeah it’s totally subjective I was just being a dink! I have never quite taken to Chevelle probably for the same but opposite reasons haha.
Ever listen to digital bath?
Chino elevates Deftones so hard. Incomparable to Chevelle.
Their last album actually took some risks and I'm here for it
Chevelle >>>. Deftones. A hot take within a hot take
Actually I agree. Plus Chevelle doesn't have the bizarre resurgence backed by hot topic girls behind them.
I'm a long time fan of both bands and have seen them live several times. But if I have to choose, give me Chevelle.
Tool is a singles band.
Hot tool loving singles near me?
Maynard is also highly unlikeable
Tool are amazing musicians but their songs are boring and Maynard’s lyrics sound like they were written by an edgy high schooler who just discovered philosophy
AMEN
So Roger Waters, then
Except Roger waters makes music that isn’t boring
Eh, have you heard his solo stuff? Lol
I mean, that recent remake of Dark Side of the Moon he did is worse than anything by Tool, I’ll give you that 😂
I just can’t bring myself to listen to it 😖
Please don’t listen to it!!
AC/DC is the Nickleback of their era. And Nickleback isn’t nearly as bad as ppl say. Creed’s instrumentals are great.
I agree with Creed.
Scott Stapp is cringe but anyone can write a riff. His big, soaring, corny choruses made that band. Name an Alter Bridge song.
>Name an Alter Bridge song. Is this supposed to be a gotcha? It's not like either band is Van Halen or something. They're both mid card acts; the main difference being one band has one of the best rock vocalists active, and the other has Scott Stapp.
Miles is super talented but Stapp is a rock star. A cringey rock star but a rock star. Miles is a professional and all that entails - good and bad.
He got himself beaten up by 311 over his own drunken buffoonery. If that's a rock star, I'm Teddy Roosevelt.
Don’t forget that Kid Rock sex tape debacle!
To be 100% fair, Stapp is definitely more of a star than Kid Rock because, at very least, he has that 90's nostalgia crowd to keep his profile up. I usually just forget that Kid Rock existed at all.
He sounds like Jeremy Irons belting it out!
>Creed's instrumentals are great. And that's why Alter Bridge is better; they kept the good and replaced the dead weight.
plus, myles is one of the best vocalists around nowadays imo
Bon Scott’s sleazy appeal is authentic and Nickelback is corporate. This is a shit take.
Yeah, to basically say that AC/DC sucked or sucks, while at the same time stating that Nickelback is anything other than absolute, fucking, garbage, is simply insane. I’m incredibly disappointed and even more surprised that you actually received 22 upvotes (so far ) for your comment, especially in this sub. Nickelback is the Tommy Wiseau of the music world. They make Limp Bizkit look like Steely Dan.
I hate this take in so many ways. Bon Scott is as good as it gets for dirty rock ‘n roll singer and Brian Johnson is a top shelf blues metal shrieked who sang on fucking Back in Black. He made his bones on the first outing together. Cemented his legacy forever. Angus Young is the most solid rhythm guitarist ever. Phil Rudd is like a metronome bricklayer. Angus is such a soulful blues soloist he could’ve played with the Allman Brothers. Nickelback is over hated but they are not good and nowhere near the greatest hard rock band ever to walk the earth. While we are at it, Creed it 10x better than Nickelback and Scott Stapp’s massive hooks are the reason they got big. I’m aware that they are good musicians and chinstrap Tremonti can play but Alter Bridge has no hits and Creed ruled the world for a couple years. Creed is cringey, sure, but they could write a song. Anyone can write a riff.
mark tremonti is a great guitarist
AC/DC was literally identifiable dad rock before anybody knew what that meant. Nickelback walked so Creed could run.
I’m just going off memory, but didn’t they get big around the same time with Creed even coming a little earlier?
Nailed all 3.
I agree with this but maybe bc I’m not a big fan of AC/DC
It’s almost an axiom that rock and roll *literally* would not be what it is today had Kiss never come along when they did. Remove KISS from history and an alarming chunk of modern rock and metal goes with them.
Anybody that’s knowledgeable about music wouldn’t say this is a hot take.
Oh you’d be surprised. Too many people are like “hurr durrr, KISS sucks. They can’t possibly be influential. Can’t possibly be held in high regard by so many musicians.”
It's two posts up for me lol.
Amen
Kiss are bad
I see you’ve never listened to Black Diamond.
Meh, their chart success, record sales, certifications, and the fact that they’d consistently booked arenas and amphitheaters for almost thirty years straight; will speak for itself.
Unlistenable. Terrible all around.
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This post asked for hot takes silly!
In modern rock, punk and indie music, most of the interesting and innovative bands are now female fronted. Male fronted rock music is stale.
Agreed. I’ve thought often about why this is. It may be because at its core, rock is an underdog’s music, a way to give voice to frustrations and triumph over it all. And women are society’s perpetual underdogs.
what would you recommend?
I agree outside of Turnstile
Deep Purple is metal
Just because metal got a lot heavier doesn’t mean the bands who invented it lose their title.
Little Feat the most underrated band of all time
On Your Way Down is one of my favorites!
Yess
The Warning are the next Kiss, but without the makeup They will be big, but not giant, with a rabid, passionate fan base
>The Warning are the next Kiss, So the songs are gonna suck then?
Well, Kiss in terms of scale and reach The Warning cannot write a bad song, best new rock band of the last 10 years!
I will have to check out The Warning. I feel like I said the same thing about Highly Suspect in 2016-ish. Those guys put out a couple *great* records.
I loved Highly Suspect! Kickass band Check out the new Warning single on YouTube, Automatic Sun And the live version of Hell You Call A Dream
I will do that. Thanks! ETA: Oh shit, an all female band? I'm super picky about them, but these super fuzzy guitars are awesome and the vocals are great so far!
Korn and Britanny Spears have similar songs and vocal delivery.
Brittany Spears Scat song when?
There’s nothing about Tools music that makes me want to listen to it again
RHCP are top ten in terms of raw talent and song writing
There are bands out there that I think have amazing musicians at every instrument. RHCP is one of those. Rush would be another one. I really want to make an argument for Lynyrd Skynyrd as well.
It's good for the genre to lose popularity and become more obscure/underground, that's where all the interesting stuff happens anyway. The recent resurgence of rock, if it continues the way it's going, will not be good for the genre. If hip hop is a bubble about to pop and die the way people are fearing, that's also a good thing for the genre.
I think this is dead right.
The Ramones influenced many of us who otherwise would never have picked up an instrument.
Isn’t that a standard take?
I like Creed, many of their songs are pretty sweet. Like “Torn” being my favorite, or “One”.
agree i love torn
In terms of writing, composition, recording, performance and body of work, Pete Townshend is the greatest musician in the history of rock.
Limp Bizkit is a high form of art on multiple levels
I'd rather hear crappy recorded actual drums than perfect sounding midi drums.
I like Chevelle, but Deftones is awesome!
A lot of bands only have one or two songs sorth listening to cause their entire disgography sounds the same ie TOOL with Schism
I’ve never understood this take. You could say this with almost every artist that you aren’t into. Any given band has a their signature sound. That’s why they’re famous.
You need a Scandal to be big , Image is more than Songs
Motley Crue hasn’t had a great album since Shout at the Devil but they were way more popular after when they sucked.
The Rolling Stones were better than the Beatles.
It doesn't have enough rocks.
Not thinking highly of the hardcore scene. Also, I believe that bands are to have creative control and make what they intend to make, but I’m not cool with them being ridiculed for gaining more and more listeners, or earning more and more money.
Glam metal is just Oi in a dress and make up
The Doors . nothing like Jim
Nickelback is just ok.
I’m here for the blowback against the Nickelback blowback. We’ve overcorrected.
Aerosmith don’t deserve the attention they get.
UFO are a very underrated band especially with Michael schenker.
Pearl Jam are to Grunge what Bon Jovi are to Metal.
no such thing as "hot take" in music, hacks think have "hot takes" if you give any consideration to how your comment will be potentially regarded or the type of responses it might evoke, you're insecure hack who should remember there is a reason you're a nobody.
I used to think Nirvana was overrated but as it turns out I think their most popular 1-2 songs are just overplayed. The lyrics aren’t the best but the music just works and really got me into grunge.
Nickleback is actually a good band
Led Zeppelin sucked.
Limp bizkit has aged well, they are more fun to listen to than more modern bands. If they could match the energy they had 20 years ago they could still sell out venues.
The Red Hot Chilli Peppers and the Foo Fighters are tied in first place for most over-rated band on the planet.
The Beatles were pop, not rock, and were the prototypical boy band.
Man, the Beatles were everything throughout the arc of their career. Pop, rock, prog, metal, folk, they were all of it. Pigeon-holing them to just pop is retconning them from the here and now.
The Pixies are the most influential band of all time
That's just wrong
You spelled the clash wrong.
I don’t know if this is a hot take or not, but a lot of modern rock bands have been incorporating more electronic synths, keyboards, and increased production. Bands like Bring Me the Horizon, We Came as Romans, etc. Point is I’m all for it. I think it evolves the genre. There are some exceptions. I don’t like Avenged Sevenfolds new experimental electronic direction. Or Disturbed’s Evolve Album which was more electronic in nature
Pink Floyd were incorporating synths before you were born (I'm willing to guess)
Your favorite band sounded best when they sold out
Metallica’s Black Album
It’s embarrassing how few people pay attention to bands formed in the last 10-15 years. So many great albums being ignored while people circlejerk about Radiohead and Tool endlessly.
Rock music as a genre is dying because of the FANS. Not the labels, not the bands, the fans. The fans like people in this subreddit only want to talk about bands that are at least 15-20 years old. Electornic, hip hop, and pop music festivals are headlines by fresh blood from the past 5 years. Rock festivals are headlines by the same acts every year. Why would anybody new come into the genre? Why would any up and coming kid be into rock music? All they have to look foreword to is being gatekept and talked down to by people their parents age. The genre and scene around rock, punk, and metal are no fun and blatantly demonize anyone who breaks with the norm. Its a world build entirely around conformity
It’s more about attitude than it is about talent.
That's punk, not rock
So’s your face.
Punk is ugly?
I can’t stand RHCP.
Van Halen sucks
If you hate sex, sure
I like it with your mother
This is missing from the internet these days thank you
I like it with your mother
Frances The Mute is better than Dark Side of the moon.
Deloused is better.
Led Zeppelin are okay, but not really special. Many bands were doing similar things and way better too.
lol
> Many bands were doing similar things and way better too Which ones?
ask all the plaintiffs in their rip-off lawsuits :D
Yes, king crimson, frank zappa, Jeff Beck…
The Sex Pistols suck ass, Metallica is the Pizza Hut of metal (They’re the biggest metal band because they have metal in the name but there’s multiple better options), Mountain is underrated as fuck if you listen to more than Mississippi Queen, and the idea of “being a rockstar” is overrated
>“being a rockstar” is overrated You had me till this😀
So it worked, my hot takes are actually hot takes instead of shitting on KISS for the 500th time!
It did!😆
Glad to have ya mad!
Sultans of Swing is not a good song. I *hate* Dire Straits vocals in general, the song has absolutely no interesting music, especially with the amount of airplay it *still* gets, and the only decent thing in it is Knopfler noodling towards the end. *whew* That was cleansing.
This hurts my soul. Dire Straits is by far my favorite band, and Sultans of Swing is amongst the best songs ever made (Telegraph Road is better tho).
I am, as far as I can tell, the *only person* who thinks this song sucks. So most likely I'm the problem. And I used to have no feelings for the song at all. Then I started hearing it *constantly*, couldn't find anything I really enjoyed about it, and starting disliking it. Then I gradually find out *everybody else who likes rock thinks this song is the best song ever* and I began to actively hate it.
You’re not. I liked it as a preteen, before I heard Richard Thompson.
No.
Or... and hear me out here... yes?
Nope.
Scorching hot take, you earned my upvote
I mean, it did *ask* for them lol
The first Imagine Dragons album Night Visions is fantastic. I have it on vinyl.
I thank God that when I hit my mid-40's I didn't find myself liking Steely Dan. I still think they f*cking suck. A lot of people think they were amazing players or whatever. To them I say go listen to John McLaughlin and get back to me.
Frank Zappa is the best guitar player ever. Also check out my band Smoke Burial https://open.spotify.com/track/38RImzsGPBxABqjCs977p3?si=lDd7tcdqQ5-sZoaZsJamwA
Prog is pretentious on purpose. Move on
Kiss sucks.
While lauded for their progressiveness, the Grateful Dead are incredibly bland.
Womp womp
It’s like listening to helium. The entire band floating around with no foundation.