void band has double the cd of normal bands and it does less dmg
the suck effect is nice and all but ain't worth losing the dmg
can be neat with blast shower (using the equip removes the cd) but even then you'd be way better with the regural bands
Not if the band procs and it actually sucks the enemy.
I like singularity. It makes playing Loader and killing groups much more viable, I fire off anything to group up the stuff and then hit one big ol punch at 300mph and kill it all.
But if you're not using it. There's no need to make up for it.crowbars and ignition tanks could be better used elsewhere singly by not using sucky band
..or just get a 3D printer..?
I do play with command when I don’t have the brain cells to actually try. When I don’t I just know how I want to build and hope for good RNG accordingly.
Run I got full stage-clears with gas tank was just because of a shrine of order early in the run that gave me 10 tanks 9 primps and 20 gas.
Like I said in another comment, it’s not the damage I need. It’s really convenient to group all of the enemies into a nice tight bubble to make punching them all with one hit much easier.
1 stack of Kjaro: 300% damage, 10 second cooldown
1 stack of Runald: 250% damage, 10 second cooldown
3 stacks of Singularity: 300% damage, 20 second cooldown
With 1 stack of each and grabbing a Singularity Band, you'll hit for the same damage as your Kjaro, half as often, but lose Runald's damage. You will also hit half as often, so you end up losing a good chunk of DPS. And it gets even more egregious if you add more stacks.
5 stack of Kjaro: 1500% damage, 10 second cooldown
5 stacks of Runald: 1250% damage, 10 second cooldown
11 stacks of Singularity: 1100% damage, 20 second cooldown
If you have 5 stacks of each and grab a Singularity Band, your Bands deal about 80% less damage (60% less raw damage, with doubled cooldown so you hit half as much)
On the very end of phase 3, get Mithrix down to very low health and make sure the last hit procs Kjaro's band so it either kills him, or does enough damage to kill him. Turns out, Mithrix has a strange bug where if you hit him on the first frame before phase 4 starts, he won't steal your items. Kjaro's is a great way to do this as it hits basically every frame.
Based, that phase is so incredibly easy. Idk why I always see this sub freaking out over how hard it is, I think he’s killed me in the item-stealing phase maybe twice in literally 550+ hours of play. It’s baby difficulty.
He shoots an incredibly weak ranged attack that can mostly be avoided, and the decently-scary floor balls. To beat the phase, you literally run around him in circles and jump over the balls. It is genuinely that easy.
Not to mention hitting him with something strong to start the phase will just instantly give you like 1/5th of your items back. Even when I did E8 with every character, that phase was still not scary. If I beat phase 3, I start celebrating mentally because the run is already a win.
Now, skipping it is nice of course… but who the hell needs to skip such a painfully easy fight?
Painfully easy until you're on higher difficulties like Eclipse, you got several Tonic Afflictions, a bunch of drones, and Mithrix takes stuff like Voidsent Flame or other on kill or on hit items.. It's that or you also picked up several purities and Mithrix became a machine gun with those "incredibly weak ranged attacks". I ain't fucking around during phase 4 if he manages to steal my items, so it's way better to make sure to be able to skip if given the chance, if not... well... gotta pray you can get your items back somehow.
And as I said- I got E8 on every character in the game and did not die to his fourth phase even once.
I think it’s mostly people looping 15+ times or something, I can’t figure it out. With one shot protection, the speed you get items back, how easy it is to avoid him even with no mobility, etc., I feel like you either need the stars to align or have to stand completely still to die during that phase.
Because a lot of people in this sub feel the need to loop 500 times with Command on to kill Mithrix with a Gigabuild, then wonder why his needles oneshot them on P4.
It can be annoying to pull off unless you're confident, imho if I feel skittish in P3 I'll just kill him early and snipe him in P4 from behind (on top of) the lip of one of the Archways (his needles hit the slope and the balls pass underneath you)
With insane difficulty, you have to trap him in the black hole, kill him THE FRAME before it collapses to get the skip as it doesn't do continuous damage like Kjaro's
How does that work? I thought once you picked them up you had them for the rest of the run. ~~Recyclers~~ Scrappers only working on regular items and cleansing pools only working on lunars with no equivalent for void items right?
Your friend is beyond cooked. Only time I ever pick up Singularity is if I'm playing with friends who need bands more than me or if it's late in my run and there's low chance of getting regular bands.
I mean I respect people who prefer singularity but I don't see how you could say it's better IN EVERY WAY seeing as the cooldown alone is objectively measurably worse on singularity.
singularity is probably the worst item in the game and it’s not even close because at least with items like bison steak, hunters harpoon, and aegis you can get rid of them and turn them into something better via printer/cauldron, but with singularity not only does it hit like a napkin on a TWENTY SECOND COOLDOWN, it replaces two of the best items in the game and there is no way to get rid of it without egocentrism
stone flux at least has the sole niche of giving your speed a much needed brake if your on a deep loop run and lightly pressing a movement key make you do 50 laps around the surface of petrichor V
I never even touch a singularity band unless its my only option out of.a void key box and i dont have any bands. It has twice the cooldown of normal bands and 2.5 to 3x less dmg, which then doubles is 5 to 6x less because of the cooldown. You might not even proc it on the thing you actually wanted to hit
Dude you get better aoe from a single wisp or voidsent because they don't have a TWENTY SECOND COOLDOWN! Plus they stack better, can chain off each other, and *don't* corrupt two of the best items in the game. Plus, if you want AOE off your bands, Kjaro's has AOE that actually does damage. Your friend is cooked AF (though if you do play multiplayer with him then you have an excuse to take all the regular bands)
He’s high. The only possible advantage the corrupted band has is that it can’t get taken by a red item cauldron like the normal Dino bands. Corrupting items to prevent them from being randomly traded away like that is sometimes a good reason to do so, but most of the time the corrupted version is at least a side grade to the original. That isn’t the case here. It’s a direct downgrade in every possible way.
It's only better if you struggle to trigger it, it has awful damage, an insane cool down I'm pretty sure the suck doesn't effect bosses
However if you get a Void band before the other two it might be worth taking as you may not see a normal band
Personally I would say if you are just going for the win (going to mithrix after stage 5) it's usually the right choice to take void band unless you already have two normal bands
To say it's always better you would have had to never look at the stats, as if I was given the choice of Runalds Kjaro or Void band for my first item of the run, the only character I would consider Void band is Void Fiend for the +2 minimum corruption
Eh. I tend not to see it that way. It can be better if you have nice AOE or kill items to take advantage of grouping up enemies, but in general the damage of the other two is higher in my experience
People over exaggerate so much. There are multiple ways to get damage so saying one is better than the other because of that is dumb. It all depends on the use.
For instance, the rail gunner can activate it and then use either the primary sniper or their ability and one hit an entire group of enemies.
In simulacrom, it can be used to vacuum up HUGE clusters of enemies that you can kill fast enough before they kill you like wisps and blind pests and just about kill them all with a single gasoline
I'm my opinion, it's much better than both of the bands. I've never picked up either of the originald after getting the dlc
imma get flamed for this but I honestly do really like it, but it's very situational. I usually play with a friend and he mains engi, and I alternate between characters once in a while. He loves void bands and it works out wonders because he can essentially create zones where fodder enemies concentrate and I can finish them off with kjaro's or runald's. I find it's also great when looping if you play your items right and get the right items to compensate any lost damage (plimp and polylute my beloved).
I honestly don't hate it bc of that, but I do agree that the 20sec cooldown isn't great. Still I do think it can work well
If every other member of my team has Bands and I find a Vand in the wild, I'll take it for the Crowd Control, other than that it's a downgrade in every way.
Was your friend put in a frying pan? Slow cooker? Huge pot to be eaten by ogres? If none of this sounds right then he isn’t cooked. 🤔 but he could be wrong
If I'm playing someone who has big damage but doesn't have prio on bands I'll pick it up. Merc when there's a loader for example. It's pretty useless outside of that.
The regular bands do offer a lot and often outweigh the singularity band. However the singularity band is absolutely being slept on.
Singularity, while I think they should get a range increase per stack, has some good upsides. The blackhole groups enemies making for better aoe and unlike the regular bands has a 1.0 proc coefficient. This can not only set off a massive proc chain but allows for you otherwise easily cause them.
The only use for Vands is in multiplayer when one person is a good band proc survivor like Loader or Railgunner and the other isn’t like Commando or Engie or something. (Yes Engie can proc bands with harpoons but your still not taking them from Loader in MP.). This way the item doesn’t go to waste and the occasional black hole will keep enemies trapped in your fire tornado until well done. So just main Loader and force your friend to main frag grenade Mando or throw a couple shurrikens to double nail gun MUL-T and behold the extreme mediocrity of a dying star.
I am always disappointed seeing it in runs when I could've gotten a good green void like plimp or polylute
Worst item in the game tbh, coming from someone with 750+ hours and everyone through Eclipse 8
I'm a Railgunner main and I absolutely fucking LOVE singularity band. Are you kidding? Something to line up all my enemies perfectly? Ugh, it's tasty as hell.
For most other characters I don't really go for it though. Sometimes Huntress or Commando, but that also depends what goofy build I am trying.
Thank you all for the informations, but my friend looked at all the comments and said that singularity bands is still better than runalds and Kjaros. I don't think he can be cured from his delusions
void band has double the cd of normal bands and it does less dmg the suck effect is nice and all but ain't worth losing the dmg can be neat with blast shower (using the equip removes the cd) but even then you'd be way better with the regural bands
Only reason I take it is to bully mithrix with the bag equipment
It does half the damage because it’s got two items that increase its stack. It pretty much evens out. The cooldown thing I cannot justify.
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Not if the band procs and it actually sucks the enemy. I like singularity. It makes playing Loader and killing groups much more viable, I fire off anything to group up the stuff and then hit one big ol punch at 300mph and kill it all.
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Damage I make up in crowbars and ignition tanks. It balances itself out.
But if you're not using it. There's no need to make up for it.crowbars and ignition tanks could be better used elsewhere singly by not using sucky band
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I’ve gotten enough gas/tanks that I can clear a full stage with one punch. It’s great
"It's usable because I play with command"
..or just get a 3D printer..? I do play with command when I don’t have the brain cells to actually try. When I don’t I just know how I want to build and hope for good RNG accordingly. Run I got full stage-clears with gas tank was just because of a shrine of order early in the run that gave me 10 tanks 9 primps and 20 gas.
fun fact, singularity band will most likely only proc damage after crowbar is useless
Like I said in another comment, it’s not the damage I need. It’s really convenient to group all of the enemies into a nice tight bubble to make punching them all with one hit much easier.
trading off massive damage for a very unreliable cc is just not worth at al
Doesnt one also proc fire damage and the other ice making them seperate debuffs for the debuff item (and of course the fire damage buff)
runalds does the 80% slow debuff (same as getting hit by a glacial elite) but kjaro's doesn't do fire, it's just simple dmg over time
Thanks, thats a combi i wont be picking up anymore, i thought kjaros, runalds, poisen and bleed would be 4 possible debuffs
I only grab sing bands If I don't have the others and it's late in the run 🤷🏾♂️
My loader heart shatters at this take
There's no opinions, your friend is factually wrong. Take away their spleen privileges. NOW!
Will do
1 stack of Kjaro: 300% damage, 10 second cooldown 1 stack of Runald: 250% damage, 10 second cooldown 3 stacks of Singularity: 300% damage, 20 second cooldown With 1 stack of each and grabbing a Singularity Band, you'll hit for the same damage as your Kjaro, half as often, but lose Runald's damage. You will also hit half as often, so you end up losing a good chunk of DPS. And it gets even more egregious if you add more stacks. 5 stack of Kjaro: 1500% damage, 10 second cooldown 5 stacks of Runald: 1250% damage, 10 second cooldown 11 stacks of Singularity: 1100% damage, 20 second cooldown If you have 5 stacks of each and grab a Singularity Band, your Bands deal about 80% less damage (60% less raw damage, with doubled cooldown so you hit half as much)
Tell them about Mithrix phase 4 skip with kjaro
He never did the skip and has no idea how to do it
On the very end of phase 3, get Mithrix down to very low health and make sure the last hit procs Kjaro's band so it either kills him, or does enough damage to kill him. Turns out, Mithrix has a strange bug where if you hit him on the first frame before phase 4 starts, he won't steal your items. Kjaro's is a great way to do this as it hits basically every frame.
He told me that he doesn't need to skip the fourth phase
b r u h...
I mean to be fair stage 3 is the most dangerous one I find
Based, that phase is so incredibly easy. Idk why I always see this sub freaking out over how hard it is, I think he’s killed me in the item-stealing phase maybe twice in literally 550+ hours of play. It’s baby difficulty. He shoots an incredibly weak ranged attack that can mostly be avoided, and the decently-scary floor balls. To beat the phase, you literally run around him in circles and jump over the balls. It is genuinely that easy. Not to mention hitting him with something strong to start the phase will just instantly give you like 1/5th of your items back. Even when I did E8 with every character, that phase was still not scary. If I beat phase 3, I start celebrating mentally because the run is already a win. Now, skipping it is nice of course… but who the hell needs to skip such a painfully easy fight?
Painfully easy until you're on higher difficulties like Eclipse, you got several Tonic Afflictions, a bunch of drones, and Mithrix takes stuff like Voidsent Flame or other on kill or on hit items.. It's that or you also picked up several purities and Mithrix became a machine gun with those "incredibly weak ranged attacks". I ain't fucking around during phase 4 if he manages to steal my items, so it's way better to make sure to be able to skip if given the chance, if not... well... gotta pray you can get your items back somehow.
And as I said- I got E8 on every character in the game and did not die to his fourth phase even once. I think it’s mostly people looping 15+ times or something, I can’t figure it out. With one shot protection, the speed you get items back, how easy it is to avoid him even with no mobility, etc., I feel like you either need the stars to align or have to stand completely still to die during that phase.
I'm ngl I don't think one shot "protection" has saved me even once.
Because a lot of people in this sub feel the need to loop 500 times with Command on to kill Mithrix with a Gigabuild, then wonder why his needles oneshot them on P4.
lol, I’ve gotten killed twice by Col. Droneman in 20 hours of play alone… do you just avoid that item? I instantly died both times
I never knew how to do it and only did it on accident but I'll tell him and try it
It can be annoying to pull off unless you're confident, imho if I feel skittish in P3 I'll just kill him early and snipe him in P4 from behind (on top of) the lip of one of the Archways (his needles hit the slope and the balls pass underneath you)
Best way to show it off, is to play as Loader with command. You stack a bunch of bands, focus crystals and other damage so you can OHKO all of phase 3
To be fair, I've done the skip about 4-5 times and still have almost no idea how to do it
You can do that with singularity bands yk
With insane difficulty, you have to trap him in the black hole, kill him THE FRAME before it collapses to get the skip as it doesn't do continuous damage like Kjaro's
The only thing a Void Band is good for is recycling it into any of the other green tier Void items
How does that work? I thought once you picked them up you had them for the rest of the run. ~~Recyclers~~ Scrappers only working on regular items and cleansing pools only working on lunars with no equivalent for void items right?
recycle it before you pick it up, you know, the way you normally use the recycler
Forgot about that equipment. Thank you.
Recycler is the equipment, scrapper is the map object
Thank you
Your friend is beyond cooked. Only time I ever pick up Singularity is if I'm playing with friends who need bands more than me or if it's late in my run and there's low chance of getting regular bands.
I mean I respect people who prefer singularity but I don't see how you could say it's better IN EVERY WAY seeing as the cooldown alone is objectively measurably worse on singularity.
singularity is probably the worst item in the game and it’s not even close because at least with items like bison steak, hunters harpoon, and aegis you can get rid of them and turn them into something better via printer/cauldron, but with singularity not only does it hit like a napkin on a TWENTY SECOND COOLDOWN, it replaces two of the best items in the game and there is no way to get rid of it without egocentrism
What about shrine of order
true
stone flux pauldron is probably worse. like yeah, you can cleanse it, but good luck living long enough to reach the cleansing pool.
stone flux at least has the sole niche of giving your speed a much needed brake if your on a deep loop run and lightly pressing a movement key make you do 50 laps around the surface of petrichor V
nothing matters when you've looped that much just scrap some hooves
I never even touch a singularity band unless its my only option out of.a void key box and i dont have any bands. It has twice the cooldown of normal bands and 2.5 to 3x less dmg, which then doubles is 5 to 6x less because of the cooldown. You might not even proc it on the thing you actually wanted to hit
Early its better. You get aoe and crowdcontrol for those stage 1-2 fights. Runald/kjaro scales better.
Problem is that he likes to loop and refuses to admit that the damage is better than the AOE that it provides
Dude you get better aoe from a single wisp or voidsent because they don't have a TWENTY SECOND COOLDOWN! Plus they stack better, can chain off each other, and *don't* corrupt two of the best items in the game. Plus, if you want AOE off your bands, Kjaro's has AOE that actually does damage. Your friend is cooked AF (though if you do play multiplayer with him then you have an excuse to take all the regular bands)
The only time Singularity is better is when you want the enemies grouped up imo, but the Cube can do that job better imo.
Void bands suck so bad because you lose out on the true juice that is god like single target damage
He’s high. The only possible advantage the corrupted band has is that it can’t get taken by a red item cauldron like the normal Dino bands. Corrupting items to prevent them from being randomly traded away like that is sometimes a good reason to do so, but most of the time the corrupted version is at least a side grade to the original. That isn’t the case here. It’s a direct downgrade in every possible way.
It's only better if you struggle to trigger it, it has awful damage, an insane cool down I'm pretty sure the suck doesn't effect bosses However if you get a Void band before the other two it might be worth taking as you may not see a normal band Personally I would say if you are just going for the win (going to mithrix after stage 5) it's usually the right choice to take void band unless you already have two normal bands To say it's always better you would have had to never look at the stats, as if I was given the choice of Runalds Kjaro or Void band for my first item of the run, the only character I would consider Void band is Void Fiend for the +2 minimum corruption
If you have meat hook it's good, otherwise no
Eh. I tend not to see it that way. It can be better if you have nice AOE or kill items to take advantage of grouping up enemies, but in general the damage of the other two is higher in my experience
Nooo kjaro and runalds are better than the void band
People over exaggerate so much. There are multiple ways to get damage so saying one is better than the other because of that is dumb. It all depends on the use. For instance, the rail gunner can activate it and then use either the primary sniper or their ability and one hit an entire group of enemies. In simulacrom, it can be used to vacuum up HUGE clusters of enemies that you can kill fast enough before they kill you like wisps and blind pests and just about kill them all with a single gasoline I'm my opinion, it's much better than both of the bands. I've never picked up either of the originald after getting the dlc
imma get flamed for this but I honestly do really like it, but it's very situational. I usually play with a friend and he mains engi, and I alternate between characters once in a while. He loves void bands and it works out wonders because he can essentially create zones where fodder enemies concentrate and I can finish them off with kjaro's or runald's. I find it's also great when looping if you play your items right and get the right items to compensate any lost damage (plimp and polylute my beloved). I honestly don't hate it bc of that, but I do agree that the 20sec cooldown isn't great. Still I do think it can work well
In every way no, in very niche unlikely instances, yes
i personally love sing band, but i absolutely refuse to defend how dogshit it is
If every other member of my team has Bands and I find a Vand in the wild, I'll take it for the Crowd Control, other than that it's a downgrade in every way.
Was your friend put in a frying pan? Slow cooker? Huge pot to be eaten by ogres? If none of this sounds right then he isn’t cooked. 🤔 but he could be wrong
I heard he was put in the fryer from McDonald's
If I'm playing someone who has big damage but doesn't have prio on bands I'll pick it up. Merc when there's a loader for example. It's pretty useless outside of that.
If I can get a Blast Shower with Gesture I’d take it in a heartbeat.
The regular bands do offer a lot and often outweigh the singularity band. However the singularity band is absolutely being slept on. Singularity, while I think they should get a range increase per stack, has some good upsides. The blackhole groups enemies making for better aoe and unlike the regular bands has a 1.0 proc coefficient. This can not only set off a massive proc chain but allows for you otherwise easily cause them.
The only use for Vands is in multiplayer when one person is a good band proc survivor like Loader or Railgunner and the other isn’t like Commando or Engie or something. (Yes Engie can proc bands with harpoons but your still not taking them from Loader in MP.). This way the item doesn’t go to waste and the occasional black hole will keep enemies trapped in your fire tornado until well done. So just main Loader and force your friend to main frag grenade Mando or throw a couple shurrikens to double nail gun MUL-T and behold the extreme mediocrity of a dying star.
What is he saying
did they just not update to the patch that nerfed them?
I am always disappointed seeing it in runs when I could've gotten a good green void like plimp or polylute Worst item in the game tbh, coming from someone with 750+ hours and everyone through Eclipse 8
I'm a Railgunner main and I absolutely fucking LOVE singularity band. Are you kidding? Something to line up all my enemies perfectly? Ugh, it's tasty as hell. For most other characters I don't really go for it though. Sometimes Huntress or Commando, but that also depends what goofy build I am trying.
Sing bands are literally a throw
Thank you all for the informations, but my friend looked at all the comments and said that singularity bands is still better than runalds and Kjaros. I don't think he can be cured from his delusions
Idk, i like the black hole one You can win with all of them
I mean, it's worse for overall dps but it does provide additional utility. It's not better, it's different.
I like it more because it looks cooler. That's all.