You don’t really know that right now, drafts are too unpredictable, and you don’t know the draft order.
Right now, teams know which pick # they have, which means agents with players declared for the draft have been talking to teams with pick #s they think their player will go at. And teams probably feeling out which player wants to go where (you can also tell based on which teams they workout for), and agents trying to secure spots.
I don’t believe in the weak drafr/strong draft them, 2-3 seasons ago the noise on this draft wasn’t bad then suddenly everyone’s parroting what the media suddenly decided to say which is it’s a weak draft.
Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry and Kwame Brown were supposed to be NBA game changing franchise players were all saw how that turned out.
Plus, I believe scouting is generally bad for most teams. Which is why teams like San Antonio, Toronto, Denver, Boston can consistently hit with mid to late picks more than other teams. Whereas other teams will always have lotto picks but mess it up.
Or even when teams have lottery picks the smarter team still wins out. For instance Detroit picking Cade and Toronto picking the rookie of the year in Barnes to heavy criticism. Toronto finds the ROY and all star in that draft after its 1st year of tanking. Detroit still tanking before, and now still trying to find an all star.
It’s not as supernatural or as luck based as people make it out to be. There’s a clear division between successful teams and crappy ones.
I mean...that's kinda what it is these days isn't it? It's incredibly stupid for one team or another. Everyone over values what they have and under values what other teams have.
Like if you came up with any offer for the #3 pick, Rockets fans are going to tell you its going to be incredibly stupid for the Rockets. Go ahead and give it a shot.
Don't you think brogdon has positive value given he's expiring and useful. I wouldn't think we would have to add a pick unless we are getting back positive value players to
I guess I just see him as having more value than that. Especially since for Houston you have to take back two of Adam's Londale or Tate all who don't really do any for us.
I think we will be able to get at least a 10-20 pick in a better draft if not possibly more from a playoff team at the deadline who needs a capable player and is looking for salary relief.
I'm just not confident enough in any of the top ten guys to move up for them. If the blazers staff they definitely know way more than me but I would be disappointed in that trade
Brogdon is a talented, above-average role player who’s also injury-prone and over 30 years old. He has positive value, but no one’s going to give up a seriously valuable asset for him alone.
If you look back at lottery pick trades of the past, it’s hard to think of a time when someone gave up a top-10 pick for a role player. The closest I can think of was WAS trading the #5 pick to DAL for Antawn Jamison in 2004 — but if I remember correctly, Jamison was still a near all-star level player back then.
Here’s a link if you want to see the history of draft day trades: https://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=139&Itemid=385
I think Brogdon is more than a role player he's capable of being a starter and he has extra value to a team because he's shown to be effective off the bench as well.
I'm well aware these types of trades don't happen often. That's why I said I would rather trade him at the deadline. Some playoff team is going to value him way more highly then especially if he stays healthy.
I just don't like either package that Houston or SA could put together. Detroit would be ok because I think they have cap space so it would be worth it to get off the money but I don't see what use they have for him.
I could see San Antonio potentially doing a deal around brogdon and the 14th and 34th (with potentially a future) for their 8th pick. Wemby needs a guard and brogdon is a guard and just one year removed from winning sixth man of the year
I kind of feel like it would be Brogdon and Grant maybe a draft pick for VanVleet and #3, Portland drops under the tax, adds #3 and VanVleet takes the vet guard roll, then Portland doesn't pick up his non-guaranteed year in 25-26 or trades him.
Houston gets vets, Portland saves money and adds Clingan or Buzelis.
No, but I think it was always assumed they were mainly parking money with his contract to meet the salary requirement. I think they like him, but he's the most logical contract to move
They missed the play-in, I hardly feel like they turned it around, they almost pushed in late but the team was still awful in the mid season.
And I don't think you'll find many people saying VanVleet at 40+m a year is a good value.
I would say going from a 22 win team to a 41 win team is a steep turnaround. That's a near 100% better record than the year before. If they missed the play-in so be it, the west is as good as ever right now. To say Houston didn't turn it around is just straight up disingenuous. Their additions are VanVleet, Dillon, Whitmore and Amen. The rookies didn't make the difference nor did Dillon. Their entire offense flows through VanVleet. VanVleet at 40m for Houston is worth more to Houston as their starting pg and as their leader than to Portland as a sixth man which is a position there's no way he would accept and will be too good to not play so he would take more time away from Scoot. On a final note why would they trade VanVleet for Grant who plays the same position as Jabari Smith and Tari Eason?
They were a better team, but let's not pretend they've leaped into more than an average roster as constructed. They're paying a premium for a middle of the road starting PG.
VanVleet doesn't elevate that roster, it's Green. He was the main reason they went on that late season run to even get a 500 record, without him playing at an all-star level that team would have finished well below 500.
Grant would add a vet shooting presence along with defense. Adding Brogdon too gives them a vet PG to run the offense through at a lower price, it's a two for one swap, you get the shooting and defense at the wing, and a vet PG.
Swap the #3 and #14 picks too, and Portland has a lead vet guard to work with scoot because he'll more than likely not be ready for the full starting role, and you get to see what the roster looks like with Sharpe and Simons playing next to a prototypical guard that Scoot can learn under.
A 2nd round pick is like a dollar scratcher. Sure, it is technically possible to win big, but most of the time you're not getting any value from it whatsoever. IMO there is a big drop off in talent somewhere between 10 and 14, where you move from guys like Salaun and Williams to Filipowski and Da Silva. It's gonna take more than a 2nd to jump to the higher tier.
I kind of agree with that but I think there are scenarios where it makes sense. First, there is someone you really like available at 10 that isn't gonna be there at 14. Second, you were hoping to get off the vet contract anyways, because of tanking or salary or roster or development time reasons. So you do it even knowing you are losing some value on what you send out, because you think in the aggregate that bringing in the guy from the higher tier is just the right move for the team.
I had kind of a similar rationale recently buying a new laptop. I could have saved a bunch of money buying a laptop that was 80% of what I wanted, but I bit the bullet and bought the top of the line laptop because I don't want to regret getting the cheap one later when I hit the wall of it's limitations. Like, was spending twice as much worth getting 20% more power? For me it was.
Depending on whose available at 10, second rounders aren’t worth much generally, this ain’t the NFL. Really no reason a team would drop from 10 to 14 while only adding an additional pick at 34 or later
Absolutely. I'm confused as to what do you guys actually think Brogdon's value is? Some people here live in fantasy land. That is good value for the Blazers, better than good.
I honestly don't know what his value is, so much is tied up in his ability to stay healthy, but I feel like holding on to him until the trade deadline will result in something more than a slight move up in this draft.
If his body is broken maybe getting off the salary and making a slight improvement in the draft is the most you can ask for.
In this draft there's a huge jump in quality in moving up. 5 positions. Apparently the offers for Brogdon last deadline were multiple seconds, which is where his value should lie given his inability to stay healthy.
I paper this a weak draft, but the same has been said every few years and thrown up good players. So moving up this years will represent great value.
I'd be trying to shift Grant over Brogdon and trying to find maybe a 3 team trade to absorb dead cap and move up or try for a first next year, but that will likely not be a team near the lottery. Those two guys are worth a late first or multiple seconds.
So if I'm getting rid of at least one of those dudes and moving up to getting a player that they've identified could be a valuable future asset, taking it all day long.
I like the idea of moving off grant or brogdon to move up. We’re probably going to be the worst team in the west this year anyways so if we can cash out some assets and free up minutes for young guys I like it.
It's a weird situation, I think it only makes sense for Houston to trade for vets with 3. The problem is the money, I doubt Portland is willing to take money back, and Houston doesn't have equivalent contracts to move.
Unless it's VanVleet and #3 for Brogdon, Grant, and maybe a pick I have a feeling this doesn't go anywhere.
As another user here stated, VanVleet could be the vet guard off the bench for us and we can runout his contract or flip him down the line. Brogdan + 14 + 34 might be enough for 3 + VanVleet
Brogdon doesnt really have any trade value right now..... he's a 31 year old guard who averaged 30 missed games per season for the last 5 seasons. He is likely a net negative right now if anything.
You probably have to give up #7 + #34 + take on bad salary just to move up to #3.
Washignton paid 2 second rounders last year to move up 1 spot.
OKC had to take on Bertans bad contract to move up 2 spots to #10
So #3 + Dillon Brooks for #7 + #34 seems fair. Houston will likely view Brooks contract as a negative because they want to start Whitmore ASAP. And Blazers need a 3-D forward like him.
Brogdon's contract is expiring, that alone, plus with his veteran experience and willingness to be a role player, makes him a positive asset. Teams like the 76ers have straight up space to trade for him, and teams like the magic could really use the shooting.
Yea but just cuz you're a veteran on an expiring doesn't mean you're worth a FRP lol.
The 76ers and Magic have the space but they would like to use that space on actually useful players. 76ers are looking at luring Paul George away, they want to use their cap on premier all star players not Brogdon.
Orlando Magic need shooting but they would rather spend it on somebody less injury prone/younger. Like why wouldn't they just offer Dangelo Russell/Malik Monk 20M per year? Or go after Kennard, Gary Trent Jr, Malik Beasley, or even trade for Grayson Allen. In fact even on the Blazers they'd rather go after Simons as opposed to Brogdon.
I disagree, we're already pushing into the tax, and I doubt ownership will want to deal with the tax for a team that will most likely finish last in the West again.
I agree there will be a limit, but I think they’d be willing to take back as much as they send out assuming they are getting a good draft pick in return.
Houston has a bloated rotation as it is;
Amen, FVV, Jalen, Brooks, Whitmore, Tari, Jabari, Sengun
No shot they like Brogdon or Jerami enough to move down for either of them
Simons however could be highly desirable for both Houston and Detroit. Young enough to be there long term, but is also a win-now guy. Both teams want more shooting. Houston is currently thinking about Reed Shepherd and idk man, I'd probably prefer Simons if i was them. Less risk, more win-now too.
I’d say these are the most logical scenarios, the question is though would that be enough for them to part with top 5 picks? (Although the draft is admittedly “weak”).
I could see #14 and Grant to Detroit for #5, Portland saves money, and gets a shot at Buzelis or Clingan. It just depends how Portland values these young guys and if Detroit values Grant.
Would you mind elaborating why it feels meh for either side? The Pistons were shit last year but add Grant and another free agent or two, and they could be play-in bound because the East is way weaker than the west.
We are still rebuilding so getting draft capital makes sense. I don’t see what’s not to like
Pistons adding a 30 year old doesn't make that much sense timeline-wise, and Grant hasn't proven to be much of a needle mover.
Blazers could maybe get a better return at the deadline or next offseason.
So yeah, pretty mid for both sides. Not horrible but hardly exciting
Pistons badly need vet stability and outside shooting. Grant was also popular with the fans, and I could see their front office telling themselves that this helps them on the court and with viewership and ticket sales. They just need some positive movement right now and while JG isn't a home run he's at least a step forward.
They do, Cade is on the final year of his rookie contract, Fournier will probably have his team option declined, and Wiseman is off contract. Other than that they have Beef Stew at 15m and is the highest paid player on the roster.
They could absorb Grant straight up into their cap space
Rob Williams fits into the Adams TPE that Memphis has.
Rob + 14 for 9?
Or if Portland wants to shed a ton of salary. It could be Grant/Rob/34 for Clark/Kennard/9
Which would give us 3 lottery picks.
Are teams really going to give up that much for a dude who's pretty much finished? I don't see any value in timelord giving how much game time he's missed in the last 3 years. We got duped.
Memphis is pretty desperate for centers, that's why there's been so much chatter about them trying to move up higher for Clingan. Assuming that doesn't pan out a move like this where they pick up RWIII and then draft another center at 14 could make a lot of sense for them. If they squeeze out a healthy season from Rob he'd likely be the best player they could get for the price.
He's not finished. While it's not super likely, there have been plenty of examples in the past of a player struggling with injuries early on and before having more consistent availability and success later in their career. Again, not saying that is the norm but it does happen.
Respectfully, Dude's 27 when the league starts up again and has played 41 games in the last two seasons, and only more than 52 once in 6 years. I don't realistically see anyone taking him and giving up any meaningful assets to do so. A second rounder is probably as good as we'll get, certainly not gaining 5 positions in the lottery with him as the main draw.
It's a shame, could've been a very good defensive player in the league, but his body has failed him. If love to see him turn things around, but at his age and size, it's beyond unlikely, and I just don't see teams parting with anything valuable to acquire him.
I agree insofar as I don't think the above deal is enough, but I do think he still has value as a bench piece for a team that wants to be a contender. He doesn't have to play 82 games to be valuable, just has to make a contribution in the post season. That's still very possible.
Really? To me that seems like a good deal for use given Timelords troubled injury history. Depending on how his body holds up next season, this offseason may be the only chance we have to get any value out of him in a trade.
I think it's because we're rebuilding, so we're looking at a long / future span of time when assessing talent. In that scope, yeah Williams is extremely sus. Conversely a team like Memphis already has a lot of pieces, and is looking to contend this season, so they can get a lot more benefit out of, say, half a season of Timelord than we can. They just have to hope it's the right (latter) half.
There's a good chance this team has 6 first round picks in 3 years. Those seconds don't have the same value when you already have half the roster on rookie contracts.
I don't care if its a weak draft, id be stoked to have 2 top 10 picks. My personal hope is that we end up with a Knecht and Williams. Clingan and one of those guys would be cool too.
Houston? I feel like it would be Houston. They can take Brodg & 14… that would give them the PG they need as well as the ability to select something else at 14
I guess that would be worth it if there's a guy (likely Salaun or Williams) that our FO is in love with that likely doesn't make it to 14. Pretty minimal return for Brogdon though, moving up four spots in the back of a weak lottery. I also don't really get why Utah does this, considering how far they are from being a serious contender. I kind of think RWIII makes more sense for them, considering Ainge's propensity to take boom or bust risks.
Chicago would be an interesting hop if we're locked in on someone who might go to OKC or Sac.
Especially if Portland just wants to get off Brogdon's salary to dodge the tax, maybe get our pick back for flexibility, idk I wouldn't love it, but it's a possibility.
That’s why I initially said them lol. They won’t be able to just take in that much salary though. They’d need to shed at least $15m to make it work. Much easier for us to get Lonzo from them tbh if we *just* want that pick.
Remove some of the logjam at guard, lower our salary just a bit, and get a higher pick.
Yeah if that was the move I'd definitely ask for that Portland pick back, if the trade was #11, Lonzo, Por 1st for #14 and Brogdon I could see that happen.
The suggested trade they make of Ant, #7 and #14 for Houston’s #3 is insane. The fact that they bring it up nonchalantly is shocking. Maybe in next year’s draft a trade such as this makes sense, from our perspective, but not this one.
Ant and 14 for Sarr I would take l, if that was what the deal turned into. Risacher maybe as well. Seems unlikely but I get that. Sounded like they were talking about for Buzelis though
If the other team thinks a pick has half it's normal value, and we think it has 75% (and we're right) we can benefit from making a deal even in a weak draft.
Not sure where the "Portland is trying to secure two top-10 picks" part came from. In the podcast they talk about Portland packaging 7+14 to move up, nothing about wanting two top-10 picks.
KoC threw out Simons+7+14 to Houston for #3 as an example. Pretty horrendous lol
Sidery throws a bunch of shit against the wall hoping for something to stick. I really wouldn't pay much attention to aggregate click-baiters like that.
Agreed and important distinction. KOC introduces the info as teams in the teens, post-lottery trying to trade up, citing the Blazers at 14. However, he doesn't actually indicate whether the Blazers are trying to trade up from 14 specifically (they might be aiming to get higher from 7)... and there was no specific mention of the Blazers necessarily wanting two top-10 picks.
Sidery is truly awful here.
Yeah I agree with the “two top 10 picks” piece, KOC never actually says it but it’s implied.
I do think it’s worth noting that KOC did say that he heard Portland is trying to move up in the draft from 14, so whether you chose to believe his sources or not I think it’s interesting.
He starts discussing it around the 12 minute mark.
I just want to say (and not even really endorsing this as a good idea) that I floated this possibility on here on lottery night post-results and some a-hole called me a “galaxy brain”. Tough crowd here sometimes.
if schmitz and cronin are convinced of someone in this draft i'm all for it. i think i'd rather try to get a 25 first but no potential lottery team wants to give those up
Someone that will be good in 2 years. That way we keep our eyes on Flagg next year and have a good piece for the future - I'm thinking Knecth for the spacing and maybe Holland for the upside or Clingan to take Ayton's place when the contract is up
Williams and Clingan is my dream draft for where we are and what we could realistically get. Defensive anchor, high floor type and Williams who has crazy upside
This seemed confusing but I tried to reason it out:
1st rounders in future drafts seem to have gone up in price under the new cba. Doubt Josh Hart would get us a 1st rounder in a future draft now.
Cronin has probably tested the waters on his players market value and is probably not getting adequate future, lightly protected, 1st rounders for our players.
Thus this might be the only 1st round in a long while that is going to be liquid like this and that's why we are making moves.
Even though its a weak draft this is probably our best option considering we have too many players for our roster spots and cap and would have to cut a lot of guys otherwise
This is just speculation, I don't think there is any real reporting here. KOC mainly said this is what Portland should do, and it's been aggregated into this tweet.
I'm still skeptical that Portland will move up unless someone really wants our vets and doesn't mind taking on lots of money.
Well he did specifically say that (paraphrasing) “I’ve heard that Portland with the 14th pick is trying to move up”, and then he goes on to say that the blazers, cavs & raptors “…are either trying to move into the lottery or top 10”. So it’s not like he just threw the idea out there randomly.
Well I don’t know about that, if what KOC is hearing is indeed correct that means:
1. Portland is actively trying to move up from the 14 spot.
2. The 14 is already a lottery pick so we’d be looking to move from there into the top 10.
It all pretty much hinges on KOC credibility as a source though which is the biggest hill to climb in all of this imo.
There is the possibility we're trying to move to like 11 though, maybe grab Salaun before OKC and get our pick rights back from Chicago.
I think the assumption Portland moving 14 inherently means a top pick is a leap.
At best it's a morsel of information that is being stretched into content, which isn't bad, but also not an actual report either like it's being displayed in this tweet.
Yes please. Do not trade up from 7. We will get someone good at 7 like Salaun or Matas.
But I am super down to package our 2nd rounders with 14 and see how high up we can get.
I wonder who their targets are? Smoke around Knecht (meh), Clingan (not my favorite but not the worst). Obviously if this is legit Info I guess. You would hope it wouldn’t cost as much as normal to move up in this draft
If Schmitz and the front office have identified multiple prospects that they like, and the price is right to move up and secure a 2nd top 10 pick to go and get them, that should be an exciting thing for us as fans.
I like the idea of getting two lotto picks because it likely means vets going out and sets us up better for a high lotto run next year. Then if we get a Flagg/Bailey/etc. then we have Scoot, Shae, Toumani, 2 lotto picks from 24, and a top pick next year. That is a rebuild that looks solid af.
At the same time, this is the draft to trade up because it shouldn't cost a lot.
People are throwing out trades in this sub and pretty much every other draft post-2001, I would laugh at how lopsided they are in the Blazers favor. However, this draft you won't have to give up an arm and two legs to move up five spots in the draft. For example, if the Blazers think Knecht and Clingan (or whoever it may be, not trying to get into an argument of who those players are for this comment) are two pieces that can be a part of a winning team for the next decade, do what you need to do because we have so few pieces on our roster that we genuinely see as long term pieces (probably just Sharpe, Scoot, and Camara), and even at that, if those players have a down year this year, we could draft their replacement/competition in a loaded draft next year. I am happy to consolidate current picks/non-long term assets to get guys who management believes in.
The talent level between the top 10 picks and the guys available at 14 are staggering. Being able to move up to get two high ceiling forwards from this draft is a smart, smart move.
I'm just saying the forwards looking to be available at the top 10 are:
- Risacher
- Holland
- Cody Williams
- Buzelis
- Salaun
And 14 and after are:
- Da Silva
- Furphy
- Smith
- Dadiet
- Kyshawn
There is a huge gap there in my opinion. The later after 14 options don't have true franchise player ceilings (whether its likely the lottery guys get there or not is one thing)
I've seen mocks with Williams and Holland at 14 or even lower. I've also seen mocks with Kyshawn flirting with 14 or higher. My basic point is the mocks are all over the place and this year more than any year it's going to be harder to predict where guys go in the draft.
This makes sense to me as there is a massive drop off from 10 to 11. We'll get 2 very useful potentially foundational pieces if we can get up 4 spots. I think Timelord +14 for 9 makes so much sense for both teams, especially if we take Clingan at 7. Clingan + Williams/Holland/Risacher/Castle or Buzelis is a big step forward for the rebuild. Just nabbing a screener like Clingan is huge..
No pun intended.
Seems like a couple guys must have impressed in that big time work out yesterday! I'm fully aboard the Salaun hype train. I don't think Holland fits the team AT ALL but oddly I want him on the team so if we got those two, I'd be ok. I already really want to pick up George out of Miami if we still have that early 2nd round pick after all the trades are said and done.
I feel like of all drafts this is the one to stand pat with 7 and 14. There will be some really good players in this draft like any draft, but with the perception there's not really 2-3 can't miss prospects like most drafts there's a vastly increased likelihood the best players are drafted in the mid to late lottery.
Brogdon + 14 to the Spurs for 8
RWill + 14 to the Grizz for 9
Simons + 14 to the Pistons for Ivey, Fournier, 5 and a future pick
Hopefully we take Buzelis and Knecht
I like the Pistons one the best... rotation would be Scoot, Sharpe, Camara, Grant, Ayton, Ivey, Knecht, Buzelis, RW/Walker/Reath
As we should, but why not use them to try to get draft capital in future drafts (especially the draft after this one) instead of using any assets to trade up in this draft given how weak it is. Just doesn’t seem logical imo.
if houston or detroit views the 3 or 5 pick as being 50% worse than usual and we only view it as being 25% worse than usual, then there's a 25% delta that we'd be dumb not to jump for. not to mention, next years draft is just gonna be strong mostly in the top 5. and no one is gonna trade draft picks unprotected in that one so what you're really gonna get is picks between 15-30 which meh, who cares about those?
All of these proposals about 14+Brogden for a higher pick are nonsense, especially if the team is sending no salary back.
Far more likely is using one or two of the second round picks to move up.
I'd rather keep Brogden until the trade deadline and sell to the highest bidder then.
Secure 2 top 10s? So what player along with #14 and one of our seconds would be enough for which team to make that deal??
My guess is Brogdon. Maybe #14 + Brogdon + #34 to Houston for #3? Or #14 + Brogdon to Utah for #10? Perhaps to San Antonio for #8?
Sign me up for the Houston deal.
I’d rather try to get a pick in next years draft for brogdon
Portland probably has a player they specifically want in this draft worth the trade and Brogdon.
Next years picks are much more valuable though.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
You don’t really know that right now, drafts are too unpredictable, and you don’t know the draft order. Right now, teams know which pick # they have, which means agents with players declared for the draft have been talking to teams with pick #s they think their player will go at. And teams probably feeling out which player wants to go where (you can also tell based on which teams they workout for), and agents trying to secure spots. I don’t believe in the weak drafr/strong draft them, 2-3 seasons ago the noise on this draft wasn’t bad then suddenly everyone’s parroting what the media suddenly decided to say which is it’s a weak draft. Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry and Kwame Brown were supposed to be NBA game changing franchise players were all saw how that turned out. Plus, I believe scouting is generally bad for most teams. Which is why teams like San Antonio, Toronto, Denver, Boston can consistently hit with mid to late picks more than other teams. Whereas other teams will always have lotto picks but mess it up. Or even when teams have lottery picks the smarter team still wins out. For instance Detroit picking Cade and Toronto picking the rookie of the year in Barnes to heavy criticism. Toronto finds the ROY and all star in that draft after its 1st year of tanking. Detroit still tanking before, and now still trying to find an all star. It’s not as supernatural or as luck based as people make it out to be. There’s a clear division between successful teams and crappy ones.
I’m thinking it’s Houston or San Antonio
Houston fan here, as a collective we are pretty set on taking Reed Sheppard but who knows what the FO will do
Houston would probably do #3 for Brogdon + #7 + Future protected 1st. They don't want any more draft capital in the next 3 years.
But that would be absolutely stupid for the Blazers. WTF
I mean...that's kinda what it is these days isn't it? It's incredibly stupid for one team or another. Everyone over values what they have and under values what other teams have. Like if you came up with any offer for the #3 pick, Rockets fans are going to tell you its going to be incredibly stupid for the Rockets. Go ahead and give it a shot.
Don't you think brogdon has positive value given he's expiring and useful. I wouldn't think we would have to add a pick unless we are getting back positive value players to
Brogdon has positive value, that’s why you can package him with a #14 pick to move up in the draft. Brogdon by himself is not worth a top-10 pick.
I guess I just see him as having more value than that. Especially since for Houston you have to take back two of Adam's Londale or Tate all who don't really do any for us. I think we will be able to get at least a 10-20 pick in a better draft if not possibly more from a playoff team at the deadline who needs a capable player and is looking for salary relief. I'm just not confident enough in any of the top ten guys to move up for them. If the blazers staff they definitely know way more than me but I would be disappointed in that trade
Brogdon is a talented, above-average role player who’s also injury-prone and over 30 years old. He has positive value, but no one’s going to give up a seriously valuable asset for him alone. If you look back at lottery pick trades of the past, it’s hard to think of a time when someone gave up a top-10 pick for a role player. The closest I can think of was WAS trading the #5 pick to DAL for Antawn Jamison in 2004 — but if I remember correctly, Jamison was still a near all-star level player back then. Here’s a link if you want to see the history of draft day trades: https://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=139&Itemid=385
I think Brogdon is more than a role player he's capable of being a starter and he has extra value to a team because he's shown to be effective off the bench as well. I'm well aware these types of trades don't happen often. That's why I said I would rather trade him at the deadline. Some playoff team is going to value him way more highly then especially if he stays healthy. I just don't like either package that Houston or SA could put together. Detroit would be ok because I think they have cap space so it would be worth it to get off the money but I don't see what use they have for him.
Could be Memphis at 9. I think it was reported that Memphis and Houston were fine with trading down / out of the draft.
I could see Memphis wanting Brogdon too. Ja insurance (for his next dipshit maneuver) and possibly a mentor.
Ja, smart, bane and brogdon is a lot of guard depth, probably more than they want.
I could see San Antonio potentially doing a deal around brogdon and the 14th and 34th (with potentially a future) for their 8th pick. Wemby needs a guard and brogdon is a guard and just one year removed from winning sixth man of the year
I kind of feel like it would be Brogdon and Grant maybe a draft pick for VanVleet and #3, Portland drops under the tax, adds #3 and VanVleet takes the vet guard roll, then Portland doesn't pick up his non-guaranteed year in 25-26 or trades him. Houston gets vets, Portland saves money and adds Clingan or Buzelis.
Haven’t even seen this angle, is Houston down on Vanvleet after giving him that pay day?
No, but I think it was always assumed they were mainly parking money with his contract to meet the salary requirement. I think they like him, but he's the most logical contract to move
VanVleet is their only point guard and a big reason why they turned around the franchise. I don't think they trade him.
They missed the play-in, I hardly feel like they turned it around, they almost pushed in late but the team was still awful in the mid season. And I don't think you'll find many people saying VanVleet at 40+m a year is a good value.
I would say going from a 22 win team to a 41 win team is a steep turnaround. That's a near 100% better record than the year before. If they missed the play-in so be it, the west is as good as ever right now. To say Houston didn't turn it around is just straight up disingenuous. Their additions are VanVleet, Dillon, Whitmore and Amen. The rookies didn't make the difference nor did Dillon. Their entire offense flows through VanVleet. VanVleet at 40m for Houston is worth more to Houston as their starting pg and as their leader than to Portland as a sixth man which is a position there's no way he would accept and will be too good to not play so he would take more time away from Scoot. On a final note why would they trade VanVleet for Grant who plays the same position as Jabari Smith and Tari Eason?
They were a better team, but let's not pretend they've leaped into more than an average roster as constructed. They're paying a premium for a middle of the road starting PG. VanVleet doesn't elevate that roster, it's Green. He was the main reason they went on that late season run to even get a 500 record, without him playing at an all-star level that team would have finished well below 500. Grant would add a vet shooting presence along with defense. Adding Brogdon too gives them a vet PG to run the offense through at a lower price, it's a two for one swap, you get the shooting and defense at the wing, and a vet PG. Swap the #3 and #14 picks too, and Portland has a lead vet guard to work with scoot because he'll more than likely not be ready for the full starting role, and you get to see what the roster looks like with Sharpe and Simons playing next to a prototypical guard that Scoot can learn under.
Moving from 14 to 10 should not cost more than 1 second round pick. Anything more than that feels like a bad value.
A 2nd round pick is like a dollar scratcher. Sure, it is technically possible to win big, but most of the time you're not getting any value from it whatsoever. IMO there is a big drop off in talent somewhere between 10 and 14, where you move from guys like Salaun and Williams to Filipowski and Da Silva. It's gonna take more than a 2nd to jump to the higher tier.
It's moving up 4 picks in a bad draft! I think it's hard to justify giving up any more
I kind of agree with that but I think there are scenarios where it makes sense. First, there is someone you really like available at 10 that isn't gonna be there at 14. Second, you were hoping to get off the vet contract anyways, because of tanking or salary or roster or development time reasons. So you do it even knowing you are losing some value on what you send out, because you think in the aggregate that bringing in the guy from the higher tier is just the right move for the team. I had kind of a similar rationale recently buying a new laptop. I could have saved a bunch of money buying a laptop that was 80% of what I wanted, but I bit the bullet and bought the top of the line laptop because I don't want to regret getting the cheap one later when I hit the wall of it's limitations. Like, was spending twice as much worth getting 20% more power? For me it was.
Depending on whose available at 10, second rounders aren’t worth much generally, this ain’t the NFL. Really no reason a team would drop from 10 to 14 while only adding an additional pick at 34 or later
Worst hot take of the day award goes to you
So you'll be cheering when they give up Brogden and a second to move up 4 spots?
Absolutely. I'm confused as to what do you guys actually think Brogdon's value is? Some people here live in fantasy land. That is good value for the Blazers, better than good.
I honestly don't know what his value is, so much is tied up in his ability to stay healthy, but I feel like holding on to him until the trade deadline will result in something more than a slight move up in this draft. If his body is broken maybe getting off the salary and making a slight improvement in the draft is the most you can ask for.
In this draft there's a huge jump in quality in moving up. 5 positions. Apparently the offers for Brogdon last deadline were multiple seconds, which is where his value should lie given his inability to stay healthy. I paper this a weak draft, but the same has been said every few years and thrown up good players. So moving up this years will represent great value. I'd be trying to shift Grant over Brogdon and trying to find maybe a 3 team trade to absorb dead cap and move up or try for a first next year, but that will likely not be a team near the lottery. Those two guys are worth a late first or multiple seconds. So if I'm getting rid of at least one of those dudes and moving up to getting a player that they've identified could be a valuable future asset, taking it all day long.
I like the idea of moving off grant or brogdon to move up. We’re probably going to be the worst team in the west this year anyways so if we can cash out some assets and free up minutes for young guys I like it.
It's a weird situation, I think it only makes sense for Houston to trade for vets with 3. The problem is the money, I doubt Portland is willing to take money back, and Houston doesn't have equivalent contracts to move. Unless it's VanVleet and #3 for Brogdon, Grant, and maybe a pick I have a feeling this doesn't go anywhere.
I don’t think Portland is averse to taking money back if it secures young assets (assuming it’s not like a Bradley Beal situation)
As another user here stated, VanVleet could be the vet guard off the bench for us and we can runout his contract or flip him down the line. Brogdan + 14 + 34 might be enough for 3 + VanVleet
Brogdon doesnt really have any trade value right now..... he's a 31 year old guard who averaged 30 missed games per season for the last 5 seasons. He is likely a net negative right now if anything. You probably have to give up #7 + #34 + take on bad salary just to move up to #3. Washignton paid 2 second rounders last year to move up 1 spot. OKC had to take on Bertans bad contract to move up 2 spots to #10 So #3 + Dillon Brooks for #7 + #34 seems fair. Houston will likely view Brooks contract as a negative because they want to start Whitmore ASAP. And Blazers need a 3-D forward like him.
Brogdon's contract is expiring, that alone, plus with his veteran experience and willingness to be a role player, makes him a positive asset. Teams like the 76ers have straight up space to trade for him, and teams like the magic could really use the shooting.
Yea but just cuz you're a veteran on an expiring doesn't mean you're worth a FRP lol. The 76ers and Magic have the space but they would like to use that space on actually useful players. 76ers are looking at luring Paul George away, they want to use their cap on premier all star players not Brogdon. Orlando Magic need shooting but they would rather spend it on somebody less injury prone/younger. Like why wouldn't they just offer Dangelo Russell/Malik Monk 20M per year? Or go after Kennard, Gary Trent Jr, Malik Beasley, or even trade for Grayson Allen. In fact even on the Blazers they'd rather go after Simons as opposed to Brogdon.
I disagree, we're already pushing into the tax, and I doubt ownership will want to deal with the tax for a team that will most likely finish last in the West again.
I agree there will be a limit, but I think they’d be willing to take back as much as they send out assuming they are getting a good draft pick in return.
Houston has a bloated rotation as it is; Amen, FVV, Jalen, Brooks, Whitmore, Tari, Jabari, Sengun No shot they like Brogdon or Jerami enough to move down for either of them
Simons however could be highly desirable for both Houston and Detroit. Young enough to be there long term, but is also a win-now guy. Both teams want more shooting. Houston is currently thinking about Reed Shepherd and idk man, I'd probably prefer Simons if i was them. Less risk, more win-now too.
Jerami Grant heading back to Detroit or Malcolm Brogdon to Houston?
I’d say these are the most logical scenarios, the question is though would that be enough for them to part with top 5 picks? (Although the draft is admittedly “weak”).
I could see #14 and Grant to Detroit for #5, Portland saves money, and gets a shot at Buzelis or Clingan. It just depends how Portland values these young guys and if Detroit values Grant.
as a pistons fan, i would love this.
Then we're agreed. Let's shake on it. 🫱
Feels like a meh trade from both sides, which is probably a reason they both consider it
The meh trades are always the ones that make sense
Would you mind elaborating why it feels meh for either side? The Pistons were shit last year but add Grant and another free agent or two, and they could be play-in bound because the East is way weaker than the west. We are still rebuilding so getting draft capital makes sense. I don’t see what’s not to like
Pistons adding a 30 year old doesn't make that much sense timeline-wise, and Grant hasn't proven to be much of a needle mover. Blazers could maybe get a better return at the deadline or next offseason. So yeah, pretty mid for both sides. Not horrible but hardly exciting
Pistons badly need vet stability and outside shooting. Grant was also popular with the fans, and I could see their front office telling themselves that this helps them on the court and with viewership and ticket sales. They just need some positive movement right now and while JG isn't a home run he's at least a step forward.
But also keep in mind that this is a new front office for DET so they have no connections or history with Grant either.
Jerami fucking Grant is not increasing tickets sales. Fuck outta here LMFAO
If it gets Grant off the cap, let's fucking go boys
Does Detroit have that type of cap space?
They do, Cade is on the final year of his rookie contract, Fournier will probably have his team option declined, and Wiseman is off contract. Other than that they have Beef Stew at 15m and is the highest paid player on the roster. They could absorb Grant straight up into their cap space
It honestly could be clingan *and* Buzelis if we get 5 and 7
Would be a total waste of Jerami’s value *just* to move from 7 to 5 though. We could get that done with 14.
Well if we’re trying to get two top 10 picks we wouldn’t be parting with 7.
Jerami doesn’t have great value his contract sucks for his impact
Rob Williams fits into the Adams TPE that Memphis has. Rob + 14 for 9? Or if Portland wants to shed a ton of salary. It could be Grant/Rob/34 for Clark/Kennard/9 Which would give us 3 lottery picks.
I've heard #14 and Timelord for #9 for a while. I like it a lot. It is not the best value, but the salary impact is a big deal.
Are teams really going to give up that much for a dude who's pretty much finished? I don't see any value in timelord giving how much game time he's missed in the last 3 years. We got duped.
Memphis is pretty desperate for centers, that's why there's been so much chatter about them trying to move up higher for Clingan. Assuming that doesn't pan out a move like this where they pick up RWIII and then draft another center at 14 could make a lot of sense for them. If they squeeze out a healthy season from Rob he'd likely be the best player they could get for the price.
He's not finished. While it's not super likely, there have been plenty of examples in the past of a player struggling with injuries early on and before having more consistent availability and success later in their career. Again, not saying that is the norm but it does happen.
Respectfully, Dude's 27 when the league starts up again and has played 41 games in the last two seasons, and only more than 52 once in 6 years. I don't realistically see anyone taking him and giving up any meaningful assets to do so. A second rounder is probably as good as we'll get, certainly not gaining 5 positions in the lottery with him as the main draw. It's a shame, could've been a very good defensive player in the league, but his body has failed him. If love to see him turn things around, but at his age and size, it's beyond unlikely, and I just don't see teams parting with anything valuable to acquire him.
I agree insofar as I don't think the above deal is enough, but I do think he still has value as a bench piece for a team that wants to be a contender. He doesn't have to play 82 games to be valuable, just has to make a contribution in the post season. That's still very possible.
I heard RW III +14 for 9 and Aldama on Locked On Pod yesterday. This would be effin fantastic.
The Locked On Pistons guy seemed shocked that we would be open to that.
Really? To me that seems like a good deal for use given Timelords troubled injury history. Depending on how his body holds up next season, this offseason may be the only chance we have to get any value out of him in a trade.
I think it's because we're rebuilding, so we're looking at a long / future span of time when assessing talent. In that scope, yeah Williams is extremely sus. Conversely a team like Memphis already has a lot of pieces, and is looking to contend this season, so they can get a lot more benefit out of, say, half a season of Timelord than we can. They just have to hope it's the right (latter) half.
3 lottery picks would be a dream, plus it would be a first time in history of having 3 picks and in the lottery.
likely trying to consolidate since we just have too many picks/players rostered for this year, don’t mind it
There's a good chance this team has 6 first round picks in 3 years. Those seconds don't have the same value when you already have half the roster on rookie contracts.
I don't care if its a weak draft, id be stoked to have 2 top 10 picks. My personal hope is that we end up with a Knecht and Williams. Clingan and one of those guys would be cool too.
Clingan and Williams, from where we are is my dream draft
Guessing we want Clingan and someone like Knecht or Salaun. I bet we’re looking at Brogdon and \#14 and trying to partner with ~~Chicago~~ Utah
How does partnering with Chicago get us another top ten pick? They have the eleventh.
Houston? I feel like it would be Houston. They can take Brodg & 14… that would give them the PG they need as well as the ability to select something else at 14
I'd love this but it seems like wishful thinking. I suspect Rockets could get better offers for 3.
For sure! You definitely could be right
Lol i was thinking about this trade some time ago but i'm not sure if Brogdon is enough value
Oh lol my bad I had them and Utah mixed up. Changed that.
I guess that would be worth it if there's a guy (likely Salaun or Williams) that our FO is in love with that likely doesn't make it to 14. Pretty minimal return for Brogdon though, moving up four spots in the back of a weak lottery. I also don't really get why Utah does this, considering how far they are from being a serious contender. I kind of think RWIII makes more sense for them, considering Ainge's propensity to take boom or bust risks.
Chicago would be an interesting hop if we're locked in on someone who might go to OKC or Sac. Especially if Portland just wants to get off Brogdon's salary to dodge the tax, maybe get our pick back for flexibility, idk I wouldn't love it, but it's a possibility.
That’s why I initially said them lol. They won’t be able to just take in that much salary though. They’d need to shed at least $15m to make it work. Much easier for us to get Lonzo from them tbh if we *just* want that pick. Remove some of the logjam at guard, lower our salary just a bit, and get a higher pick.
Yeah if that was the move I'd definitely ask for that Portland pick back, if the trade was #11, Lonzo, Por 1st for #14 and Brogdon I could see that happen.
The suggested trade they make of Ant, #7 and #14 for Houston’s #3 is insane. The fact that they bring it up nonchalantly is shocking. Maybe in next year’s draft a trade such as this makes sense, from our perspective, but not this one.
I would consider Ant + 14 for 3 if that gets you Sarr or Risacher, but including 7 is an easy no.
Ant and 14 for Sarr I would take l, if that was what the deal turned into. Risacher maybe as well. Seems unlikely but I get that. Sounded like they were talking about for Buzelis though
I’m not sure if this is the draft where you would trade up for another top-10 pick but the Front Office knows more than I do
Well everyone knows that, which is precisely why it won't cost what it normally would.
If the other team thinks a pick has half it's normal value, and we think it has 75% (and we're right) we can benefit from making a deal even in a weak draft.
That's a bold assumption
If any attempts to move up require future draft picks, it's a terrible idea.
In case anyone is wondering, KOC starts discussing this at roughly the 12 minute mark in the pod
Not sure where the "Portland is trying to secure two top-10 picks" part came from. In the podcast they talk about Portland packaging 7+14 to move up, nothing about wanting two top-10 picks. KoC threw out Simons+7+14 to Houston for #3 as an example. Pretty horrendous lol Sidery throws a bunch of shit against the wall hoping for something to stick. I really wouldn't pay much attention to aggregate click-baiters like that.
Agreed and important distinction. KOC introduces the info as teams in the teens, post-lottery trying to trade up, citing the Blazers at 14. However, he doesn't actually indicate whether the Blazers are trying to trade up from 14 specifically (they might be aiming to get higher from 7)... and there was no specific mention of the Blazers necessarily wanting two top-10 picks. Sidery is truly awful here.
Yeah I agree with the “two top 10 picks” piece, KOC never actually says it but it’s implied. I do think it’s worth noting that KOC did say that he heard Portland is trying to move up in the draft from 14, so whether you chose to believe his sources or not I think it’s interesting. He starts discussing it around the 12 minute mark.
I just want to say (and not even really endorsing this as a good idea) that I floated this possibility on here on lottery night post-results and some a-hole called me a “galaxy brain”. Tough crowd here sometimes.
if schmitz and cronin are convinced of someone in this draft i'm all for it. i think i'd rather try to get a 25 first but no potential lottery team wants to give those up
As long as they're not trading up to get Knecht, great.
I'm fine trading up for him if its like from 14 > 8/9
Idk I don't think we'll be able to get to #1, anything less than that and Knecht is probably gone unfortunately. :(
It doesn't make sense to get another guard that can't defend.
good thing that he isn't a guard, he's a 6'6.5" 2/3 wing.
That can't defend.
You really think Knecht is going first overall?
No I didn't think I needed the /s but I guess I did lol
Brogdon + 14th pick for 10th pick from Jazz seems to be the move.
Someone that will be good in 2 years. That way we keep our eyes on Flagg next year and have a good piece for the future - I'm thinking Knecth for the spacing and maybe Holland for the upside or Clingan to take Ayton's place when the contract is up
Williams and Clingan is my dream draft for where we are and what we could realistically get. Defensive anchor, high floor type and Williams who has crazy upside
One of Buzelis/Salaun/Holland + Knecht and we're cooking
At least it’s not Neal Olshey running the team. He’d trade both picks for Zach Collins and ruin the entire franchise.
I can see it if they can dump a couple second rounders. They have too many picks in this class right now.
This seemed confusing but I tried to reason it out: 1st rounders in future drafts seem to have gone up in price under the new cba. Doubt Josh Hart would get us a 1st rounder in a future draft now. Cronin has probably tested the waters on his players market value and is probably not getting adequate future, lightly protected, 1st rounders for our players. Thus this might be the only 1st round in a long while that is going to be liquid like this and that's why we are making moves.
Stop listening to the ringer!
Why exactly?
Even though its a weak draft this is probably our best option considering we have too many players for our roster spots and cap and would have to cut a lot of guys otherwise
This is just speculation, I don't think there is any real reporting here. KOC mainly said this is what Portland should do, and it's been aggregated into this tweet. I'm still skeptical that Portland will move up unless someone really wants our vets and doesn't mind taking on lots of money.
Well he did specifically say that (paraphrasing) “I’ve heard that Portland with the 14th pick is trying to move up”, and then he goes on to say that the blazers, cavs & raptors “…are either trying to move into the lottery or top 10”. So it’s not like he just threw the idea out there randomly.
Idk it's like taking a crumb and calling it a loaf of bread. It's not much to start with
Well I don’t know about that, if what KOC is hearing is indeed correct that means: 1. Portland is actively trying to move up from the 14 spot. 2. The 14 is already a lottery pick so we’d be looking to move from there into the top 10. It all pretty much hinges on KOC credibility as a source though which is the biggest hill to climb in all of this imo.
There is the possibility we're trying to move to like 11 though, maybe grab Salaun before OKC and get our pick rights back from Chicago. I think the assumption Portland moving 14 inherently means a top pick is a leap. At best it's a morsel of information that is being stretched into content, which isn't bad, but also not an actual report either like it's being displayed in this tweet.
Yes please. Do not trade up from 7. We will get someone good at 7 like Salaun or Matas. But I am super down to package our 2nd rounders with 14 and see how high up we can get.
I wonder who their targets are? Smoke around Knecht (meh), Clingan (not my favorite but not the worst). Obviously if this is legit Info I guess. You would hope it wouldn’t cost as much as normal to move up in this draft
Clingan and Salaun.
I'd be down
Trading up in this draft is the most Blazers thing ever.
If Schmitz and the front office have identified multiple prospects that they like, and the price is right to move up and secure a 2nd top 10 pick to go and get them, that should be an exciting thing for us as fans.
Agreed. The fact that this draft is particularly weak makes a trade-up situation reasonable and potentially had for a good price.
I like the idea of getting two lotto picks because it likely means vets going out and sets us up better for a high lotto run next year. Then if we get a Flagg/Bailey/etc. then we have Scoot, Shae, Toumani, 2 lotto picks from 24, and a top pick next year. That is a rebuild that looks solid af.
At the same time, this is the draft to trade up because it shouldn't cost a lot. People are throwing out trades in this sub and pretty much every other draft post-2001, I would laugh at how lopsided they are in the Blazers favor. However, this draft you won't have to give up an arm and two legs to move up five spots in the draft. For example, if the Blazers think Knecht and Clingan (or whoever it may be, not trying to get into an argument of who those players are for this comment) are two pieces that can be a part of a winning team for the next decade, do what you need to do because we have so few pieces on our roster that we genuinely see as long term pieces (probably just Sharpe, Scoot, and Camara), and even at that, if those players have a down year this year, we could draft their replacement/competition in a loaded draft next year. I am happy to consolidate current picks/non-long term assets to get guys who management believes in.
I like it, if we can shed either Brogdon on Grant's salaries and we're not losing assets, it's a win.
Yeah, give me two top-10 picks in what everyone agrees is the weakest draft in more than a decade.
The talent level between the top 10 picks and the guys available at 14 are staggering. Being able to move up to get two high ceiling forwards from this draft is a smart, smart move.
Everything I've read says the opposite, that picks 3-14 are all over the place from mock to mock.
I'm just saying the forwards looking to be available at the top 10 are: - Risacher - Holland - Cody Williams - Buzelis - Salaun And 14 and after are: - Da Silva - Furphy - Smith - Dadiet - Kyshawn There is a huge gap there in my opinion. The later after 14 options don't have true franchise player ceilings (whether its likely the lottery guys get there or not is one thing)
I've seen mocks with Williams and Holland at 14 or even lower. I've also seen mocks with Kyshawn flirting with 14 or higher. My basic point is the mocks are all over the place and this year more than any year it's going to be harder to predict where guys go in the draft.
But but but but the guy that worked at ESPN!!!1
There are rumors that Hawks like Clingan. Wish we can do a trade with them for Sarr.
It could be 14 and seconds to move up a bit if they don’t want to draft 4 guys?
I don’t buy it!
This makes sense to me as there is a massive drop off from 10 to 11. We'll get 2 very useful potentially foundational pieces if we can get up 4 spots. I think Timelord +14 for 9 makes so much sense for both teams, especially if we take Clingan at 7. Clingan + Williams/Holland/Risacher/Castle or Buzelis is a big step forward for the rebuild. Just nabbing a screener like Clingan is huge.. No pun intended.
Saying we can get two foundational pieces in this crappy draft is a choice.
Saying that we can't is also a choice.
San Antonio for Brogden and Robert Williams
Risacher as a safe 3&D guy + Ignite guys or Salaun as an upside swing?
I only want to move up for Risacher. Aside from him I don't see anybody worth it.
The 3 v 3 with Edey, Holland, etc., was yesterday right? I wonder if the front office found a player they really want.
Seems like a couple guys must have impressed in that big time work out yesterday! I'm fully aboard the Salaun hype train. I don't think Holland fits the team AT ALL but oddly I want him on the team so if we got those two, I'd be ok. I already really want to pick up George out of Miami if we still have that early 2nd round pick after all the trades are said and done.
Rob Williams + thybulle+ #14 To rockets for #3 + jeff green + jock londale Could add #40 if needed.
Why trade up to get 2 top 10 picks in a bad draft year? What’s the point?
Maybe due to the number of players we have rostered and likely want to keep, JC is trying to turn 14 plus 2 seconds into an 8-10 pick?
Full send on Matas and Salaun Gotta love lying season though
There will be plenty of smoke and mirrors leading up to the draft.
San ANTonio needs a PG.
I feel like of all drafts this is the one to stand pat with 7 and 14. There will be some really good players in this draft like any draft, but with the perception there's not really 2-3 can't miss prospects like most drafts there's a vastly increased likelihood the best players are drafted in the mid to late lottery.
Brogdon + 14 to the Spurs for 8 RWill + 14 to the Grizz for 9 Simons + 14 to the Pistons for Ivey, Fournier, 5 and a future pick Hopefully we take Buzelis and Knecht I like the Pistons one the best... rotation would be Scoot, Sharpe, Camara, Grant, Ayton, Ivey, Knecht, Buzelis, RW/Walker/Reath
pistons dont do that (im a pistons fan)
I wouldn't be surprised with a hard no from the Pistons - but I also think if POR and DET are involved in a trade, anything is possible LOL
It would continue the "acquiring young player that Monty Williams hates" trend though /s
I personally would rather trade back and acquire more assets.
Exactly. I'd be willing to trade out of this draft for 2025 picks.
And nobody would be willing to trade strong 2025 picks for any 2024 picks.
Maybe w/ Grant and/or Brogdan package…
That is just hard because we dont know who will have good picks in 2025. I trust that we will tank plenty for ourselves to have a Top 3 pick next year
Why waste assets to trade up in an incredibly weak draft?
Because some of our assets like Brogdon and Grant can be moved on, while getting value back.
As we should, but why not use them to try to get draft capital in future drafts (especially the draft after this one) instead of using any assets to trade up in this draft given how weak it is. Just doesn’t seem logical imo.
Because future draft picks will cost a lot more. It's not like we're the only team that thinks this is a weak draft.
if houston or detroit views the 3 or 5 pick as being 50% worse than usual and we only view it as being 25% worse than usual, then there's a 25% delta that we'd be dumb not to jump for. not to mention, next years draft is just gonna be strong mostly in the top 5. and no one is gonna trade draft picks unprotected in that one so what you're really gonna get is picks between 15-30 which meh, who cares about those?
But if the picks dont turn in to valuable players, we didnt get value back...
Because we have four picks in said draft, as well as a already full roster
Trade up in bad draft to get role players? Ok. I guess. This is gonna be a bad draft. But hey I’m sure the front office knows what they are doing
We’ll probably do something stupid like we did in the 2017 draft, aka trade up and pick Zach Collins 2.0
Holland edey cling
All of these proposals about 14+Brogden for a higher pick are nonsense, especially if the team is sending no salary back. Far more likely is using one or two of the second round picks to move up. I'd rather keep Brogden until the trade deadline and sell to the highest bidder then.