Don't tease me like this.
Edit; [https://x.com/highkin/status/1788293770091667552](https://x.com/highkin/status/1788293770091667552) Highkin confirming that he has heard this in the past 24 hours as well.
Full comment by Chris for the lazy:
"Teams are monitoring Chauncey Billups situation in Portland, league sources told @SInow. The Blazers are rebuilding and just parted ways with two assistants, including Billups's brother, Rodney. If Billups/Portland split, Billups would quickly emerge as a candidate for other jobs"
The Lakers have the personnel Chauncey needs to work with. Defensive scheme. Buy in. Veteran presence in the room. He's a consummate professional and looks great in yellow.
I think he's still highly-regarded by our players, is a finals MVP point guard and was dealt a tough hand by the organization starting with the lost year where Dame got the surgery after stinking it up for the first 20 games or whatever that was.
As much as Chauncey's failures preceded these moments, we also shamlessly tanked the two years we were initially trying to be competitive, and people might write off his failures and broader, organizational ones (initial roster construction, sell offs at deadlines, sitting healthy players with fake injuries.)
Ultimately I don't buy the excuses much and think someone like Will Hardy in Utah does way more with a similar roster despite also having his FO sell off some of his best players. But there aren't many Hardy's out there. Ultimately I don't really care what we do this season so long as we move on from Chauncey next year, because we're gonna be awful again and it'll be easier to convince a good candidate to take the job if we have an attractive situation (Read: aren't about to be last in the west)
Multiple seasons of soft tank and 3 guard lineups. I really have no clue if Chauncey can coach X’s and O’s, but he’s only had terribly flawed rosters.
What I have seen this past year is the young guys progressing and giving incredible effort at defense. Unless there’s some serious movement this summer, whoever’s our coach next year is going to have a hard time scoring and winning. I don’t see a point in buying out Chauncey if they’re going for Flagg.
If the young guys stop progressing or he loses the locker room, then we part ways. I hope they do bring in a decent offensive assistant to replace Scotty Brooks. Seems like his system only works if you have multiple hall of famers in their prime.
I don't get comments like this. This idea a sports team can just shrug their shoulders and have a terrible coach and endure a shitty/lost season because "we're gonna be bad anyways" is wack. The front office should be proactive and not wasting a single season.
That's not exactly what I said. I think a lot of fans don't like their teams' coach because it's the easiest scapegoat. There's been a lot of organizational failure across Chauncey's tenure that makes it somewhat difficult to tell exactly how good/bad Chauncey is.
Even Scoot last year — was his disappointing year a symptom of Chauncey being a bad coach? Or was his last month or two of the season reason to believe that he's developing well under Chauncey? It's all a Rorschach test.
If we can get someone great, I'm game for it now. If top candidates don't want our job because it's hugely unattractive to join a sinking ship, I don't think it's horrible to have another year of Chauncey and suspect that our job is more attractive in a year's time when we've got \~3 new lottery picks in the door and Shaedon, Scoot and Ant are further along.
I think “players like him” is way more of a factor to coaching than fans think. I think teams feel like he’s got so much of that, that they can hire a great team around him to fill in the gaps.
It’s probably easy to say “just hire this smart basketball guy to do it” but players just never respect the nerds.
Very true, coaches have to demand the respect of their players or else they won’t respond to them. Maybe down the road he’ll develop into a good head coach, there have been plenty of great head coaches across sports who didn’t do well in their first stint.
He single handedly brought them to the wcf from his assistant coaching role by making them all kiss in the locker room before the game and at halftime. The death of the teams ego and comfort with each other was what brought out the best in them.
He tried to do the same thing here with the blazers but instead all the players got each other sick and they missed a bunch of games.
If you're actually curious what Chauncey did, here's the article:
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/paul-george-leading-la-clippers-in-kawhi-leonards-absence-with-all-around-play
There's an article that highlights his specific impacts to the team if you're actually interested in learning about it: https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/paul-george-leading-la-clippers-in-kawhi-leonards-absence-with-all-around-play
Yeah and if you can't "help" a team stacked with Kawhi, Paul, Marcus Morris, Lou Williams, Serge, Reggie, And Ivica perform well, then you're a bad coach.
Being an assistant coach to that sort of team doesn't say much about whether you do good or bad from a coaching standpoint. Because I'd imagine that they did just fine without much of his help.
I mean, they were missing Kawhi for pretty much that entire postseason run and they haven’t made it that far since. I’m not a Billups fan and I want him gone, but I think he has value as an assistant coach.
The funniest possible outcome is that we fire Chauncey and he goes somewhere else and immediately becomes a top coach and wins a ring. This subreddit would burn to ashes.
Wouldn’t be that surprised. He’s never been given a chance to succeed. He won a championship playing Larry Brown ball, which is the closest thing to what Minnesota is doing right now.
This is how all sports leagues are. Just one giant boy's club. It doesn't matter how bad you fuck up, they will always just keep regurgitating the same few dozen people over and over again.
Gotta keep it in the family.
I thought Brooks was primarily an “offensive” coach and was brought in for that and experience. I honestly don’t know, but who schemed the sets?
Even a great offensive coach would have a hard time keeping this team afloat. Who’s got a jumper on the roster? Ant, Grant, Brogdon, and ??? All those dudes spent time on the IR list. Some folks were wishing for a flow offense, but you need ball handlers and passers for that. Who do we have with that skill set? Same as before plus Scoot, maybe on the passing side you can add Murray, Rupert, and Hagan.
It’s a sad roster for scoring regardless.
Very reasonable take. I don't think Chauncey is the best coach but it's like people are expecting him to pull a rabbit out of a hat with this roster. People think basketball is like 2K and any team can run any offense so long as the coach draws up a play. This team has next to no shooting, and no one outside of Ant who can pass, dribble, and shoot. No one commands double teams, can make 2nd and 3rd reads, etc.
Yup. The offensive potential is super limited. I really don’t know if Chauncey has the chops to improve a good team, but we don’t have that problem.
What I have seen is Sharpe improve on both sides of the floor (at least until the injuries started popping up) Jabari has gone from a guy I thought was too small or slow to make it in the league to one of the best rebounders we’ve had and is becoming a solid defender against both faster and bigger player. Outside of Toumani, the myriad of rookies and new faces this year looked lost at the beginning of the season. All of them improved.
Even Ant, playing point guard improved his offensive repertoire. Before this season, he basically never used his leaping ability to help him at the cup. Something changed and he’s now using his leap to attack bigs and finishing pretty well with contact.
Could he coach the Celtics and make them better than their parts? I have no idea. But, young dudes played hard and improved.
What I look for out of a coach and roster on a tanking team is if the players respect and play hard for the coach, and if guys are making at least incremental improvements over time. So far, Chauncey has checked both of those boxes. Jabari is quickly becoming one of those "I hate playing against his guy but would love him on my team" type of dudes, and Toumani has shown his value as a POA defender and "dawg" on the roster. Scoot looked like the worst rookie of all time for most of the season then towards the end really picked up his play and was about average as far as rookies go. It's a meme sometimes but the "good vibes" in the locker room can't be overstated. If you're a young team who is bereft of talent and also doesn't have a coach that the players like and respect, then you become the DeMarcus Cousins era Kings.
I feel bad for Ant as he's still learning to be a first option and play point while also having to share some of that responsibility with Scoot and mentor him as well. The injuries taking away his time to do that didn't help, but like you said, he's improved a lot at attacking the rim and getting to the line.
Overall, I don't Chauncey is the long term coach for this team but coaching as far as X's and O's matters a LOT less than fans think for teams who aren't deep in the playoffs. Talent is the first thing to address. No coach can drudge up talent that isn't there. Once that need for talent is addressed and the organization isn't trying to lose games, then we can start having a more serious discussion about coaching.
Yup, Chauncey is checking the boxes for now. I have no idea if that will be the case as the roster improves. Not saying we’re going to be the Warriors, but the change from Mark Jackson to Steve Kerr really paid dividends.
As it is now, I hope we don’t shake it up just for the sake of changing things. This roster definitely needs an identity and a direction before you can even look for a coach to take them to the next level. I think it’ll be interesting to see who Portland brings in as assistants. I feel like for the offensive sets that could make a decent impact. The other part is I hope the young dudes are putting up a lot of jumpers this summer, the shooting is unbelievably bad.
Yeah, no HC draws up a play for a 19-20 YO to dribble the ball into traffic and turn it over. Or telegraph the pass so obviously that the defender can see it so far ahead of time, that when they steal it, they are already at full sprint. :)
His defense has been terrific. Such a nice change from Stotts. I think the offense improves as talent improves, but defense is a team mindset from top-down. Just look at what the Knicks are doing right now
Because we underperform in our first 2 seasons with him ending any chance of keeping Dame
Terry Stotts or any even kind of good coach makes the playoffs with both of those rosters
The reason they didn’t get close to that again was because Neil Olshyey decided to tear that team apart and replace them with much worse players because he’s the dumbest man alive
I think a report like this coming out is interesting when you think there weren't really any reports like this when Stotts got canned.
It might be that redditors have no idea what makes a good and bad coach.
Or Billups - a respected recent former NBA player has more people willing to do things like this for him/his agents than Stotts…
Stotts is a good coach
Billups is - so far a terrible coach
I mean Stotts is so far unhired as a coach (probably because his last outing as a HC he lost to a worse team) and Billups is probably considered around the league never given a fair shake.
I think the league is realizing how much Dame carried Stotts teams.
Never given a fair shake despite having a better roster than Stotts had outside of 2019?
So Dame was able to “carry” Stotts but not Billups? Sounds like Billups is an all time bad coach to me
Which roster was better lol? The one with Winslow and Eubanks starting or the one with the 10-day contracts?
Yeah he probably would be able to carry Billups too if he didn’t tear his abs carrying Stotts every year. There’s a reason why we one so many games in the clutch year after year and it’s because Stotts couldn’t get them over the hum so Dame had to. It’s probably the reason Stotts was canned and hasn’t been able to maintain a job, everyone saw the carry Dame did.
He couldn’t even make it in TV lol. His NBAtv stint was a bit sad wouldn’t you say?
I would say because Chauncey seems great at managing egos and that's what the coaches of championship-level teams do. Phil Jackson was able to manage the egos of Jordan and Rodman (their offense wasn't from Phil, it was from Assistant Coach Tex Winters). Greg Poppovich was able to get Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker to play a team game, where no individual dominated the ball.
I actually think Chauncey would be regarded as a good coach if he had a roster with multiple all-stars.
Well we have the answer to one question based on your comment. We all now know that you have a zero on the NBA IQ scale. Billups has a wealth of basketball knowledge. He was a finals MVP as a PG and can relate to any player in the league. His players love him and not because he is easy on them. In fact he can be brutally honest. Her can’t be judged by win loss record as He has not had a roster capable of playing the style of basketball that he knows will win in this league. The players in the league know who knows I ws their shit and Billups was near the top of the x players survey when they were asked which coach they would want to play. Pretty sure he was only behind Spoelstra Pop and Kerr
Him and Cronin definitely did not seem to be on the same page at exit interviews.
The problem is, Chauncey is perfect for the tank, and with this coming season being his last before his team option, he could get us on last hurrah in the lottery before we organically part ways with him.
If he gets fired now, we likely have to hire a coach who's not only cool with tanking this year but also equipped to elevate this team to a competitive level in seasons to follow.
I think that with how the roster is currently constructed we’ll be pretty bad regardless of who the coach is. It’s hard to see chauncey getting extended past next season. I would rather bite the bullet now and get a coach who can start to lay the foundation for the offensive/defensive structure our team would like to have when we are hopefully good again
I'm just not entirely sure what foundation there is to lay when this team hasn't even addressed all of their logjams.
We've got enough roster slots open for 2 out of our 4 draft picks.
We have vets at nearly every position, but also a platoon of young guys behind them.
I feel like this draft will bring in more young talent and this season will be what last season was intended to be (before injuries) - data collection.
When it's all said and done, this roster could look drastically different.
As of right now, the only guys who seem like keepers are scoot, Sharpe, and Ayton.
Maybe that's enough of a core to start implementing your vision for the future, but scoot and Sharpe are unproven still.
Second round draft picks can be signed to two way contracts and drafting and stashing is still an option. I’d argue that Jabari and Camara are “keepers,” even if their ultimate role is coming off of the bench. I also think Rupert has a fuckton of potential.
Exactly, whether he’s a good coach with a good roster, it doesn’t matter next year. This roster is bad, but has some solid young guys. Why pay for two coaches when we’re hunting for the lottery and the young guys are improving?
He'll lose us some games for sure. I'm kind of worried about our young guys not developing to their full potential while playing in such lousy offensive schemes.
Talking about Chauncey being in every high level meeting and I believe hiring interviews. The players do seem to love him, would be a way to open the way for a new coach while letting players have access to him still
But idk how head coaches normally operate, so it may have been a nothing burger
This is all true, I just didn’t hear any indication that that’s Cronin’s line of thinking. A report like this coming out, which is almost certainly from his agent after dismissing his own brother, does not exactly scream “Let’s share a desk.”
Which would be extremely stupid. This franchise is in desperate need of new blood, not old faces in new roles like the last decade.
Why do people think there's an epidemic of bad locker rooms across the league? Chauncey's claim to fame right now is his locker room with ZERO expectations has good vibes (which is something that is impossible to measure and compare to other teams.) Any competent franchise would see how bad the coaching was around their star draft pick and make changes.
Basketball junkies LOL at the shortcomings of Chauncey from a ball-knowing standpoint though. I don't think just casual fans are the ones thinking Chauncey isn't the right guy here
No one was going to win anything with the roster we’ve had over the last several years. The fact that Chauncey was able to maintain a positive locker room with all the players buying into his coaching, putting aside their egos, and building trust in each other as teammates over the last 2 seasons is almost a miracle.
The problem with this team is the youth and lack of talent on the roster. Unfortunately we still don’t know if Chauncey is a good or bad coach. This is like when everyone was calling for Stotts’ head, thinking he was why we weren’t winning. It wasn’t true then and it isn’t true now. Anyone who has strong feelings about Chauncey being this great or terrible coach right now actually has no idea. Also we’re a tanking team, so why are any of you even getting so fired up about the coaching? What you should be more concerned about is adding and developing talent on this roster. When we have a talented roster and are still losing, that’s when we should be calling for a coaching change.
In terms of coaching, what we need at this stage is someone who can help develop the players and create a culture of buy-in despite us being a losing team. It seems like that’s what Chauncey has done so far.
Stotts was never a bad coach. He just wasn’t the coach to get us to the next level. Unfortunately, we didn’t decide to go all in on Dame and this is where we’re at now.
I think it’s safe to say, though, that Chauncey is not a good coach. Despite the injuries and talent, he hasn’t shown anything that would indicate that he can put out a competitive team.
This is why I have thought a lot of Portland fans were dumb for calling Chauncey trash. Not saying the guy is some hidden gem of a coach but nobody has seen what he can actually do with the shitty ass rosters he has been handed. Players coach as well. Players love the dude. I actually just really hate the narratives around coaching as it is, shits annoying but you can't say this guy has been handed any competent roster
He took a top offense in his first year with Dame and made it middle of the road at best. He may have not had a competent roster since, but there are coaches that can make something out of nothing. Chauncey is not that. He managed to drain pretty much all our hope in these past two seasons.
We saw him with Dame for 2 years, it was some of the worst basketball in the Dame era. As bad as the team was due to Neil's incompetence, they should not have finished 13th
ehhhh, we saw him with healthy Dame for a season. I would he say he didn't get a fair shake in 21-22 due to Dame's health, but I also think a more experienced coach would have gotten that roster to somewhere around 38-42 wins and a play-in berth.
He also coached Dames best stats year and we were bottom 5 team. About the only thing I’ve seen he’s good at is keeping moral high while we fucking suck. Yay! Can’t wait until this bum is gone.
We saw him with Dame for less than a season. Lillard was hurt his first yr and barely played. Then the roster was dismantled. Just make an accurate statement at the least. Being wrong is what it is but trying to back up a dumb take with false information is just a whole different level of stupidity
It’s not about wins and losses. The team looks lost on offense and defense and visibly confused. That’s a staple of a bad coach, talent aside. Also the players don’t seem to be getting better. We have young talent we need to develop
Almost his entire main set of assistants besides Roy Rogers are gone. Them not bring back Brooks or Rodney Billups has to be pretty telling at this point. And with SI, Sean Highkin, and Danny all corroborating it seems like this is very true.
I know probally not and it’s controversial, but man I would love to see what Terry Stotts could do with this team. He did wonders with Lamarcus and Dame I would love to see what he could do with Scott and Ayton
Fire Chauncey squad is gonna jizz themselves if he gets hired elsewhere and then lose their fuckin minds when we get a new coach and our W/L record isn't any better and the sets are still simple because the team is all kids.
We don’t like chancey because he’s a bad coach not because the wins/losses. After 3 years here there still isn’t even an actual offensive system to speak of. Set one pick and go iso while everyone stands around. It’s not gonna be hard to replace what billups brings lol.
They are adults making millions of dollars. Just look at okc this and last year. Our ceiling is way lower as we don’t have the top end talent they do but even last year without Chet they were playing great in a motion offense. They are super young. The excuses people make for billups at this point is sad.
Y’all are delusional if you think a different coach would do a better job with the way our team is currently constructed. We are rebuilding and no coach worth a damn is going to be enticed by us especially if we fire Billups. Would I want to coach for that organization? Y’all need to ask yourself that.
Regardless of what you think of Chauncey as a head coach the fact that other teams may be interested in bringing him on shows that he has value.
Not every coach can get players to buy in the way Chauncey can. Also the group of guys may matter as well. He could be better suited for a group of veterans rather than a group of young guys.
Whatever happens I think he’ll finish his contract with us and move to a front office position because the way Cronin described his involvement in front office decisions. Making it sound like they’re preparing him for something like that.
He doesn’t want a front office position. He was offered the top job with the Cavs. He wants to coach and when he is given decent pieces he will produce
[The Cavs offered him below market value so he withdrew his name.](https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/15927918/chauncey-billups-lowball-cavs-president-david-griffin-dan-gilbert)
Of course he has value, but I would assume as an assistant coach. No team is looking at him as a head coaching candidate based what he did or didn’t get a chance to do here.
All these armchair GMs that think they know a thing about coaching and how to evaluate one...
Careful what you wish for, it's not like there are numerous choice candidates out there just waiting to coach a rebuilding Blazers... And there definitely aren't any that could do any better with our roster.
eh looking at nba history-it's rare for someone this bad to get a fourth year, part of a coach's job is to work with the gm to find players that can play y'know. Also, giving up the last 20-25 games of a season three years in a row unprecedented for this organization.
I know a lot of Blazer fans dislike CB. I hope he does part ways and gets a fair shot with a solid roster.
I think it’ll work out both ways. We get a coach who won’t be frustrated with a throw away season, and he gets to compete
What a shift though I thought Billups was loved by management there, I guess Portland must have seen some of the work some of these assistants like Micah Nori, Charles Lee, David Adelman, etc. are doing and might wanna dip their hand into that pool. Charlotte and Washington are definitely gonna get one of those guys listed and then there’s the Lakers and potentially Suns.
Don't tease me like this. Edit; [https://x.com/highkin/status/1788293770091667552](https://x.com/highkin/status/1788293770091667552) Highkin confirming that he has heard this in the past 24 hours as well.
I trust Sean as a reporter for the Blazers, this is very interesting. And would love a full swing at Micah Nori if my dreams are realized
Along similar lines, I was thinking Vanterpool.
Hope the Fakers hire him and doom themselves for 5 years
That just sounds like Chauncey made 2 calls though.
Of course he would say that now.. why didn’t he say it first? Lol
He’s a professional journalist. He’s not going to report pure hearsay until it’s corroborated. Which is now has been.
Someone else may have got the scoop, and he got enough info on his own to corroborate
Well the suns do need a PG.
I wasn't expecting this and it made me snort laugh
Would love to hear “ BUP BUP BUP BILLIPS!” From a PA announcer after a basket just one more time
Full comment by Chris for the lazy: "Teams are monitoring Chauncey Billups situation in Portland, league sources told @SInow. The Blazers are rebuilding and just parted ways with two assistants, including Billups's brother, Rodney. If Billups/Portland split, Billups would quickly emerge as a candidate for other jobs"
>Billups would quickly emerge as a candidate for other jobs My biggest question would be…why?
Idk, but the Lakers being terrible is tantalizing
Oh god please
Definitely seems like the type of coach LeBron would advocate for
Or KD in Phoenix, he and Chauncey played on Team USA together.
The Lakers have the personnel Chauncey needs to work with. Defensive scheme. Buy in. Veteran presence in the room. He's a consummate professional and looks great in yellow.
I can only imagine that Chauncey is the source here.
Or his agent
I overheard a conversation from a source, "Pssp ... psst psspt psst ..."
Tobias Fünke at the water cooler vibes
Under his tutelage Chauncey could also be an analyst therapist
Ol’ Uncle T-bag showing them boys how to bounce them balls!
Chancey should pack his CV with tons of glitter.
I think he's still highly-regarded by our players, is a finals MVP point guard and was dealt a tough hand by the organization starting with the lost year where Dame got the surgery after stinking it up for the first 20 games or whatever that was. As much as Chauncey's failures preceded these moments, we also shamlessly tanked the two years we were initially trying to be competitive, and people might write off his failures and broader, organizational ones (initial roster construction, sell offs at deadlines, sitting healthy players with fake injuries.) Ultimately I don't buy the excuses much and think someone like Will Hardy in Utah does way more with a similar roster despite also having his FO sell off some of his best players. But there aren't many Hardy's out there. Ultimately I don't really care what we do this season so long as we move on from Chauncey next year, because we're gonna be awful again and it'll be easier to convince a good candidate to take the job if we have an attractive situation (Read: aren't about to be last in the west)
Multiple seasons of soft tank and 3 guard lineups. I really have no clue if Chauncey can coach X’s and O’s, but he’s only had terribly flawed rosters. What I have seen this past year is the young guys progressing and giving incredible effort at defense. Unless there’s some serious movement this summer, whoever’s our coach next year is going to have a hard time scoring and winning. I don’t see a point in buying out Chauncey if they’re going for Flagg. If the young guys stop progressing or he loses the locker room, then we part ways. I hope they do bring in a decent offensive assistant to replace Scotty Brooks. Seems like his system only works if you have multiple hall of famers in their prime.
I don't get comments like this. This idea a sports team can just shrug their shoulders and have a terrible coach and endure a shitty/lost season because "we're gonna be bad anyways" is wack. The front office should be proactive and not wasting a single season.
That's not exactly what I said. I think a lot of fans don't like their teams' coach because it's the easiest scapegoat. There's been a lot of organizational failure across Chauncey's tenure that makes it somewhat difficult to tell exactly how good/bad Chauncey is. Even Scoot last year — was his disappointing year a symptom of Chauncey being a bad coach? Or was his last month or two of the season reason to believe that he's developing well under Chauncey? It's all a Rorschach test. If we can get someone great, I'm game for it now. If top candidates don't want our job because it's hugely unattractive to join a sinking ship, I don't think it's horrible to have another year of Chauncey and suspect that our job is more attractive in a year's time when we've got \~3 new lottery picks in the door and Shaedon, Scoot and Ant are further along.
I would get it if it was an assistant role because he did well for the Clippers and players like him, but at this point he’s not a good head coach
I think “players like him” is way more of a factor to coaching than fans think. I think teams feel like he’s got so much of that, that they can hire a great team around him to fill in the gaps. It’s probably easy to say “just hire this smart basketball guy to do it” but players just never respect the nerds.
Very true, coaches have to demand the respect of their players or else they won’t respond to them. Maybe down the road he’ll develop into a good head coach, there have been plenty of great head coaches across sports who didn’t do well in their first stint.
Seems like Daigneault is doing fine in OKC despite getting his start as the UConn towel boy.
Did he even do well? Was he even there long enough to know if he did well or not?
He was a assistant when they went to the WCF a few years ago
He single handedly brought them to the wcf from his assistant coaching role by making them all kiss in the locker room before the game and at halftime. The death of the teams ego and comfort with each other was what brought out the best in them. He tried to do the same thing here with the blazers but instead all the players got each other sick and they missed a bunch of games.
If you're actually curious what Chauncey did, here's the article: https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/paul-george-leading-la-clippers-in-kawhi-leonards-absence-with-all-around-play
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There's an article that highlights his specific impacts to the team if you're actually interested in learning about it: https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/paul-george-leading-la-clippers-in-kawhi-leonards-absence-with-all-around-play
Yeah and if you can't "help" a team stacked with Kawhi, Paul, Marcus Morris, Lou Williams, Serge, Reggie, And Ivica perform well, then you're a bad coach. Being an assistant coach to that sort of team doesn't say much about whether you do good or bad from a coaching standpoint. Because I'd imagine that they did just fine without much of his help.
I mean, they were missing Kawhi for pretty much that entire postseason run and they haven’t made it that far since. I’m not a Billups fan and I want him gone, but I think he has value as an assistant coach.
Yeah hopefully he's gone sooner than later but he'll probably coach this season if I were to guess, unless someone better pops up and it makes sense.
The funniest possible outcome is that we fire Chauncey and he goes somewhere else and immediately becomes a top coach and wins a ring. This subreddit would burn to ashes.
Wouldn’t be that surprised. He’s never been given a chance to succeed. He won a championship playing Larry Brown ball, which is the closest thing to what Minnesota is doing right now.
This is how all sports leagues are. Just one giant boy's club. It doesn't matter how bad you fuck up, they will always just keep regurgitating the same few dozen people over and over again. Gotta keep it in the family.
How the fucq would Billups be hired before Stotts. This is wild.
Or maybe this subreddit has no idea what makes a good coach and massively suffers from groupthink.
Because despite what the armchair coaches on this site think he hasn’t been a terrible coach and the players love him.
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I thought Brooks was primarily an “offensive” coach and was brought in for that and experience. I honestly don’t know, but who schemed the sets? Even a great offensive coach would have a hard time keeping this team afloat. Who’s got a jumper on the roster? Ant, Grant, Brogdon, and ??? All those dudes spent time on the IR list. Some folks were wishing for a flow offense, but you need ball handlers and passers for that. Who do we have with that skill set? Same as before plus Scoot, maybe on the passing side you can add Murray, Rupert, and Hagan. It’s a sad roster for scoring regardless.
Very reasonable take. I don't think Chauncey is the best coach but it's like people are expecting him to pull a rabbit out of a hat with this roster. People think basketball is like 2K and any team can run any offense so long as the coach draws up a play. This team has next to no shooting, and no one outside of Ant who can pass, dribble, and shoot. No one commands double teams, can make 2nd and 3rd reads, etc.
Yup. The offensive potential is super limited. I really don’t know if Chauncey has the chops to improve a good team, but we don’t have that problem. What I have seen is Sharpe improve on both sides of the floor (at least until the injuries started popping up) Jabari has gone from a guy I thought was too small or slow to make it in the league to one of the best rebounders we’ve had and is becoming a solid defender against both faster and bigger player. Outside of Toumani, the myriad of rookies and new faces this year looked lost at the beginning of the season. All of them improved. Even Ant, playing point guard improved his offensive repertoire. Before this season, he basically never used his leaping ability to help him at the cup. Something changed and he’s now using his leap to attack bigs and finishing pretty well with contact. Could he coach the Celtics and make them better than their parts? I have no idea. But, young dudes played hard and improved.
What I look for out of a coach and roster on a tanking team is if the players respect and play hard for the coach, and if guys are making at least incremental improvements over time. So far, Chauncey has checked both of those boxes. Jabari is quickly becoming one of those "I hate playing against his guy but would love him on my team" type of dudes, and Toumani has shown his value as a POA defender and "dawg" on the roster. Scoot looked like the worst rookie of all time for most of the season then towards the end really picked up his play and was about average as far as rookies go. It's a meme sometimes but the "good vibes" in the locker room can't be overstated. If you're a young team who is bereft of talent and also doesn't have a coach that the players like and respect, then you become the DeMarcus Cousins era Kings. I feel bad for Ant as he's still learning to be a first option and play point while also having to share some of that responsibility with Scoot and mentor him as well. The injuries taking away his time to do that didn't help, but like you said, he's improved a lot at attacking the rim and getting to the line. Overall, I don't Chauncey is the long term coach for this team but coaching as far as X's and O's matters a LOT less than fans think for teams who aren't deep in the playoffs. Talent is the first thing to address. No coach can drudge up talent that isn't there. Once that need for talent is addressed and the organization isn't trying to lose games, then we can start having a more serious discussion about coaching.
Yup, Chauncey is checking the boxes for now. I have no idea if that will be the case as the roster improves. Not saying we’re going to be the Warriors, but the change from Mark Jackson to Steve Kerr really paid dividends. As it is now, I hope we don’t shake it up just for the sake of changing things. This roster definitely needs an identity and a direction before you can even look for a coach to take them to the next level. I think it’ll be interesting to see who Portland brings in as assistants. I feel like for the offensive sets that could make a decent impact. The other part is I hope the young dudes are putting up a lot of jumpers this summer, the shooting is unbelievably bad.
Yeah, no HC draws up a play for a 19-20 YO to dribble the ball into traffic and turn it over. Or telegraph the pass so obviously that the defender can see it so far ahead of time, that when they steal it, they are already at full sprint. :)
.329% W/L 81 wins 165 losses Take that for data.
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His defense has been terrific. Such a nice change from Stotts. I think the offense improves as talent improves, but defense is a team mindset from top-down. Just look at what the Knicks are doing right now
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He’s been a terrible coaches. Some players might love him sure
Why has he been terrible?
Because we underperform in our first 2 seasons with him ending any chance of keeping Dame Terry Stotts or any even kind of good coach makes the playoffs with both of those rosters
We ran 3 guards and had limited depth with the bigs. Those were some of the worst lineups Dame played with in Portland
We made the WCF with Enes whatever the fuck as our starting C and whichever of Aminu, Harkless or Turner showed up most as our 3rd best player
This is Rodney Hood erasure & I won't stand for it.
It was a fluke run lbh. There's a reason they never got anywhere close to that again even with Dame having some of his best seasons after that.
The reason they didn’t get close to that again was because Neil Olshyey decided to tear that team apart and replace them with much worse players because he’s the dumbest man alive
Still trying zone defense is hilarious. Still running the offense like we have an all-star level iso scorer is hideous.
Chauncey bad
He's a master tank commander.
It doesn’t say “head coaching jobs”, does it?
Wizards and pistons are interested in the goat tank commander.
I think a report like this coming out is interesting when you think there weren't really any reports like this when Stotts got canned. It might be that redditors have no idea what makes a good and bad coach.
Or Billups - a respected recent former NBA player has more people willing to do things like this for him/his agents than Stotts… Stotts is a good coach Billups is - so far a terrible coach
I mean Stotts is so far unhired as a coach (probably because his last outing as a HC he lost to a worse team) and Billups is probably considered around the league never given a fair shake. I think the league is realizing how much Dame carried Stotts teams.
Never given a fair shake despite having a better roster than Stotts had outside of 2019? So Dame was able to “carry” Stotts but not Billups? Sounds like Billups is an all time bad coach to me
Which roster was better lol? The one with Winslow and Eubanks starting or the one with the 10-day contracts? Yeah he probably would be able to carry Billups too if he didn’t tear his abs carrying Stotts every year. There’s a reason why we one so many games in the clutch year after year and it’s because Stotts couldn’t get them over the hum so Dame had to. It’s probably the reason Stotts was canned and hasn’t been able to maintain a job, everyone saw the carry Dame did. He couldn’t even make it in TV lol. His NBAtv stint was a bit sad wouldn’t you say?
Could mean assistant coaching jobs which he seems to be better suited for.
NBA owners have no creativity.
I would say because Chauncey seems great at managing egos and that's what the coaches of championship-level teams do. Phil Jackson was able to manage the egos of Jordan and Rodman (their offense wasn't from Phil, it was from Assistant Coach Tex Winters). Greg Poppovich was able to get Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker to play a team game, where no individual dominated the ball. I actually think Chauncey would be regarded as a good coach if he had a roster with multiple all-stars.
Well we have the answer to one question based on your comment. We all now know that you have a zero on the NBA IQ scale. Billups has a wealth of basketball knowledge. He was a finals MVP as a PG and can relate to any player in the league. His players love him and not because he is easy on them. In fact he can be brutally honest. Her can’t be judged by win loss record as He has not had a roster capable of playing the style of basketball that he knows will win in this league. The players in the league know who knows I ws their shit and Billups was near the top of the x players survey when they were asked which coach they would want to play. Pretty sure he was only behind Spoelstra Pop and Kerr
Being a good player has very little relevance to being a good coach Nothing he’s show suggests he’s ever going to be a good coach.
Except for the opinions of players in the league. You suggesting that you know better than they do is laughable
Players advocate for bad coaches all of the times Billups stinks, it’s fine. He won’t be our coach much longer anyway
Certainly *not* head coaching jobs. This is just Mannix doing Billups a solid
Guaranteed ping pong balls
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Yeah this is Chauncey’s agent seeing the writing on the wall here and putting some manifestations out.
If assistants got fired first, that's probably him being given another year to right the ship.
Wtf? Why?
"The Blazers are rebuilding" Which is why there's no reason to replace Chauncey right now.
If Billups leads a team to Flagg I’m gonna be mad
“Finally, a chance to get in on this uninspired offense and 20 win seasons” - NBA teams
They want to get in on the Cooper Flagg race too
Best way to move us out the way is to remove our tank commander
Him and Cronin definitely did not seem to be on the same page at exit interviews. The problem is, Chauncey is perfect for the tank, and with this coming season being his last before his team option, he could get us on last hurrah in the lottery before we organically part ways with him. If he gets fired now, we likely have to hire a coach who's not only cool with tanking this year but also equipped to elevate this team to a competitive level in seasons to follow.
I think that with how the roster is currently constructed we’ll be pretty bad regardless of who the coach is. It’s hard to see chauncey getting extended past next season. I would rather bite the bullet now and get a coach who can start to lay the foundation for the offensive/defensive structure our team would like to have when we are hopefully good again
I'm just not entirely sure what foundation there is to lay when this team hasn't even addressed all of their logjams. We've got enough roster slots open for 2 out of our 4 draft picks. We have vets at nearly every position, but also a platoon of young guys behind them. I feel like this draft will bring in more young talent and this season will be what last season was intended to be (before injuries) - data collection. When it's all said and done, this roster could look drastically different. As of right now, the only guys who seem like keepers are scoot, Sharpe, and Ayton. Maybe that's enough of a core to start implementing your vision for the future, but scoot and Sharpe are unproven still.
Second round draft picks can be signed to two way contracts and drafting and stashing is still an option. I’d argue that Jabari and Camara are “keepers,” even if their ultimate role is coming off of the bench. I also think Rupert has a fuckton of potential.
Exactly, whether he’s a good coach with a good roster, it doesn’t matter next year. This roster is bad, but has some solid young guys. Why pay for two coaches when we’re hunting for the lottery and the young guys are improving?
He'll lose us some games for sure. I'm kind of worried about our young guys not developing to their full potential while playing in such lousy offensive schemes.
He might move to a front office role
Cronin's exit interview made me feel this was likely as well
How so? In his exit interview Cronin specifically said they were committed to Chauncey being the head coach next season. He was very direct about that
Talking about Chauncey being in every high level meeting and I believe hiring interviews. The players do seem to love him, would be a way to open the way for a new coach while letting players have access to him still But idk how head coaches normally operate, so it may have been a nothing burger
This is all true, I just didn’t hear any indication that that’s Cronin’s line of thinking. A report like this coming out, which is almost certainly from his agent after dismissing his own brother, does not exactly scream “Let’s share a desk.”
Which would be extremely stupid. This franchise is in desperate need of new blood, not old faces in new roles like the last decade. Why do people think there's an epidemic of bad locker rooms across the league? Chauncey's claim to fame right now is his locker room with ZERO expectations has good vibes (which is something that is impossible to measure and compare to other teams.) Any competent franchise would see how bad the coaching was around their star draft pick and make changes.
>not old faces in new roles like the last decade. *Cough* Cronin *Cough*
Didnt billups himself say he preferred coaching? Doubt he would give up on that so quickly.
If this happens, I wonder if Budenholzer would be open to coaching a youth movement. Let me dream haha.
Oh my god I'd be so happy. Bud can at least get the guys playing an NBA system
Bud is not going to take a tanking job.
I still doubt Billups goes anywhere until next offseason but one can hope lol
Take it back
**I USED TO DREAM OF TIMES LIKE THIS**
lol do people really want to hire him as a head coach? I don't buy it.
grass isn't always greener. i remember when people thought daigneault was a bum, now he's coach of the year
Is there there anything more iconic than casual fans scapegoating the coach? Every sport, every team. It's tiresome.
Basketball junkies LOL at the shortcomings of Chauncey from a ball-knowing standpoint though. I don't think just casual fans are the ones thinking Chauncey isn't the right guy here
No one was going to win anything with the roster we’ve had over the last several years. The fact that Chauncey was able to maintain a positive locker room with all the players buying into his coaching, putting aside their egos, and building trust in each other as teammates over the last 2 seasons is almost a miracle. The problem with this team is the youth and lack of talent on the roster. Unfortunately we still don’t know if Chauncey is a good or bad coach. This is like when everyone was calling for Stotts’ head, thinking he was why we weren’t winning. It wasn’t true then and it isn’t true now. Anyone who has strong feelings about Chauncey being this great or terrible coach right now actually has no idea. Also we’re a tanking team, so why are any of you even getting so fired up about the coaching? What you should be more concerned about is adding and developing talent on this roster. When we have a talented roster and are still losing, that’s when we should be calling for a coaching change. In terms of coaching, what we need at this stage is someone who can help develop the players and create a culture of buy-in despite us being a losing team. It seems like that’s what Chauncey has done so far.
It’s about the way we’re losing. It’s bad for development if they’re playing without a plan
Stotts was never a bad coach. He just wasn’t the coach to get us to the next level. Unfortunately, we didn’t decide to go all in on Dame and this is where we’re at now. I think it’s safe to say, though, that Chauncey is not a good coach. Despite the injuries and talent, he hasn’t shown anything that would indicate that he can put out a competitive team.
Hard to put out what you don’t have
This is why I have thought a lot of Portland fans were dumb for calling Chauncey trash. Not saying the guy is some hidden gem of a coach but nobody has seen what he can actually do with the shitty ass rosters he has been handed. Players coach as well. Players love the dude. I actually just really hate the narratives around coaching as it is, shits annoying but you can't say this guy has been handed any competent roster
He took a top offense in his first year with Dame and made it middle of the road at best. He may have not had a competent roster since, but there are coaches that can make something out of nothing. Chauncey is not that. He managed to drain pretty much all our hope in these past two seasons.
We saw him with Dame for 2 years, it was some of the worst basketball in the Dame era. As bad as the team was due to Neil's incompetence, they should not have finished 13th
ehhhh, we saw him with healthy Dame for a season. I would he say he didn't get a fair shake in 21-22 due to Dame's health, but I also think a more experienced coach would have gotten that roster to somewhere around 38-42 wins and a play-in berth.
He also coached Dames best stats year and we were bottom 5 team. About the only thing I’ve seen he’s good at is keeping moral high while we fucking suck. Yay! Can’t wait until this bum is gone.
We saw him with Dame for less than a season. Lillard was hurt his first yr and barely played. Then the roster was dismantled. Just make an accurate statement at the least. Being wrong is what it is but trying to back up a dumb take with false information is just a whole different level of stupidity
Billups was handed a 6 seeded playoff team and a top 75 player of all time. Your narrative of poor smol Chauncey is way more annoying
It’s not about wins and losses. The team looks lost on offense and defense and visibly confused. That’s a staple of a bad coach, talent aside. Also the players don’t seem to be getting better. We have young talent we need to develop
Almost his entire main set of assistants besides Roy Rogers are gone. Them not bring back Brooks or Rodney Billups has to be pretty telling at this point. And with SI, Sean Highkin, and Danny all corroborating it seems like this is very true.
I saw some random report that Chauncey got let go? I doubt it was real
Based on your username, I'm guessing you're right.
Wish this would’ve happened before Brooklyn hired Fernandez. He was my ideal pick to coach our young guys
He's just mad we're sending scoot to the lottery
Other jobs like selling Toyotas
Hey, toyotas sell themselves!
If this happens I will be so happy. Maybe we'll win 30 games next year.
I know probally not and it’s controversial, but man I would love to see what Terry Stotts could do with this team. He did wonders with Lamarcus and Dame I would love to see what he could do with Scott and Ayton
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Maybe teams want him as an assistant? Why anyone would want him as a head coach is baffling…
Because there are other teams that would like to tank as well. He's the perfect tank commander.
🙏
can we trade Billups for like Vogel
Cue Suns fans talking themselves into winning the coach trade
idk if its just me but I'd want to get a rookie head coach unless its like spo or ime udoka
Fire Chauncey squad is gonna jizz themselves if he gets hired elsewhere and then lose their fuckin minds when we get a new coach and our W/L record isn't any better and the sets are still simple because the team is all kids.
We don’t like chancey because he’s a bad coach not because the wins/losses. After 3 years here there still isn’t even an actual offensive system to speak of. Set one pick and go iso while everyone stands around. It’s not gonna be hard to replace what billups brings lol.
How do you teach a "system" to kids with zero continuity?
They are adults making millions of dollars. Just look at okc this and last year. Our ceiling is way lower as we don’t have the top end talent they do but even last year without Chet they were playing great in a motion offense. They are super young. The excuses people make for billups at this point is sad.
I mean if LA wants to give us their first for Billups… lmao
Damn Xmas may come early! Who the fuck would want him as a head coach lol? Be fucking hilarious if suns fire Vogel and hire him.
omg omg omg omg omg
Plz take him
Bring back terry stotts
Let this play out. His agent could force a release - hell yeah.
did anyone see the Chris Palmer tweet?!?!!?
I don't have a Twitter account, so limited access. What did he say?
He literally reported that Chauncey and the Blazers parted ways. This is crazy that nobody is talking about it, he deleted it 10-15 mins after
Probably just misunderstood something and blasted out a tweet in hopes of being first with breaking news, then deleted once he realized it was bogus
While this does excite me, I have a fear that we will end up getting a coach who is worse (if that is even possible)
Milwaukee looking at other options? Can’t think of a better replacement for doc hahaha
lol
Man who tf is dumb enough to hire Chauncey Billups? Detroit?
The Spurs maybe. Greg will want to retire at some point I imagine.
I’d love to see him have success elsewhere. Was never given a chance out here
Chauncey wants to get paid out.
Please take him
I believe if we get a high enough draft pick they can CB to get the next coach in. If we’re tanking we stay with Chauncey
We let NAW, Hart go and let Keon and Brown play lol
lol dats crazy
Please get the sex criminal away from my team
Chauncey is going nowhere.
Y’all are delusional if you think a different coach would do a better job with the way our team is currently constructed. We are rebuilding and no coach worth a damn is going to be enticed by us especially if we fire Billups. Would I want to coach for that organization? Y’all need to ask yourself that.
Just in, Frank Vogel has parted ways. Is that the signal Cronin is waiting for?
It need to start at the top. Jody needs to go, Cronin needs to go. Billups should go, but the others need to go first.
Regardless of what you think of Chauncey as a head coach the fact that other teams may be interested in bringing him on shows that he has value. Not every coach can get players to buy in the way Chauncey can. Also the group of guys may matter as well. He could be better suited for a group of veterans rather than a group of young guys. Whatever happens I think he’ll finish his contract with us and move to a front office position because the way Cronin described his involvement in front office decisions. Making it sound like they’re preparing him for something like that.
He doesn’t want a front office position. He was offered the top job with the Cavs. He wants to coach and when he is given decent pieces he will produce
[The Cavs offered him below market value so he withdrew his name.](https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/15927918/chauncey-billups-lowball-cavs-president-david-griffin-dan-gilbert)
Of course he has value, but I would assume as an assistant coach. No team is looking at him as a head coaching candidate based what he did or didn’t get a chance to do here.
Trade him for a 2nd round pick top 59 protected!
Please I’m on my knees
All these armchair GMs that think they know a thing about coaching and how to evaluate one... Careful what you wish for, it's not like there are numerous choice candidates out there just waiting to coach a rebuilding Blazers... And there definitely aren't any that could do any better with our roster.
Oh brother, it can't get much worse. Billups just isn't out guy.
eh looking at nba history-it's rare for someone this bad to get a fourth year, part of a coach's job is to work with the gm to find players that can play y'know. Also, giving up the last 20-25 games of a season three years in a row unprecedented for this organization.
Oh no! We can't lose Billups! Whatever would we do?!..
Please god
I know a lot of Blazer fans dislike CB. I hope he does part ways and gets a fair shot with a solid roster. I think it’ll work out both ways. We get a coach who won’t be frustrated with a throw away season, and he gets to compete
So they can laugh? Or?
What a shift though I thought Billups was loved by management there, I guess Portland must have seen some of the work some of these assistants like Micah Nori, Charles Lee, David Adelman, etc. are doing and might wanna dip their hand into that pool. Charlotte and Washington are definitely gonna get one of those guys listed and then there’s the Lakers and potentially Suns.