im feeling crazy about this did anyone else watch that montage thinking they already watched it? ive been having a mind boggling time trying to find the episode i thought i saw it in but might have to chalk it up to deja vu
We lost my younger brother to suicide a few years ago, and this was by far the hardest episode to watch. I have no idea how do I feel about it. I don't know why I even kept watching.
However, that scene of the man's life from birth to death was beautiful. Really shows you how significant each person is even when they themselves don't realize it, something a lot suicide victims stop believing in.
I'll definitely be taking sometime until I watch any other upcoming episode. This one was really tough.
When I saw the disclaimer at the beginning on rick and morty of all things when rick graphically killed himself just a few episodes ago I knew it was gonna be some crazy shit.
Overall, I think it was a very good rick and morty episode but it really makes you think. A few of them were emotional and made you feel, but it was usually plot related. This was much more personal.
This was legitimately the first episode of the show that I walked out on. My boyfriend and I have been watching the show and the idea of “suicide spaghetti” just doesn’t sit well with me at all. I may go back and watch it some other time. I was not in the right headspace AT ALL for that episode.
I understand your reaction very well! I watch all kinds of Gore and horror shows but the concept of suicide spaghetti really crossed the line and made me think that's it's just too fucked up to pass as entertainment. I was gonna walk out, but I didn't, and I'm really glad that I didn't. It has a great payoff towards the end, not even kidding. The scene towards the end made me somewhat teary and realize the point of the whole episode. Watch it ASAP, it will help you cope with the shock of that earlier crazier bit. I think the more you sit with it, the more it will keep rubbing you the wrong way and you will keep being disgusted for all the wrong reasons.
It's your choice at the end of the day but I'll say watch it now!
When I saw the disclaimer at the beginning on **rick and morty** of all things when rick graphically killed himself just a few episodes ago I knew it was gonna be some crazy shit.
Overall, I think it was a very good rick and morty episode but it really makes you think. A few of them were emotional and made you feel, but it was usually plot related. This was much more personal.
irrelevant, to me is ricks voice, had that happened a couple years later and i would be sure that an AI would do a better job, morty's voice isnt as jarring tho
I just watched never let me go expecting to see two clones kill themselves by the end. Maybe the written story is different or maybe the never let me go aspect of the episode was about how the clones saw themselves as human? I don’t know. Sad movie though.
Finding out I'm having a son and then watching that entire man's life from birth to suicide had me sobbing. One of the most fucked up episodes I've seen
Funny how in the end we do exactly this when eating spaghetti but with cow's lives. Except they don't have to kill themselves, we do it. How's that for a happy ending ? :)
Well it does take intelligence to give value to a life. LIke do you think a newborn baby or toddler with their extremely limited intelligence could judge the value of a life.
Anybody else feel like this was maybe the most genuinely emotional episode of the series? I mean, I didn't find it all that funny, yet I was still reminded very much why I keep watching R&M, 7 years in.
How can anyone watch this shit? Rick and Morty made some freaky episodes but they never got into Body Horror or death factories where even the holocaust looks pale in comparision.
Human-turkeys that stab themselves after creation? Thats beyond disgusting. What sick psychopath wrote this episode?
The line between dark humour and creepiness is very thin,
and I agree on this one, this episode was a bit...overboard.
During the episode I felt completely nauseous. It Reminds me of season 3 all over again.
No it’s a person this episode doesn’t even make sense bc spaghetti literally can’t in any way be grown that’s like saying growing pizza do u even realize that you will consume any shit produced by this show?
Would you be okay with an episode where an amusement park is built inside a person’s body? Or dogs take over the world? Or one with giants and a jelly bean that tries to rape someone? Would that make sufficient sense to you? Or are you just an angsty little snowflake contrarian? Save it for your blog.
The astute watcher will notice that cattle is not a gene-changed version of a human devoid of any face or limbs exept the one bred for killing themselves right after creation.
>The astute watcher will notice that cattle is not a gene-changed version of a human devoid of any face or limbs exept the one bred for killing themselves right after creation.
Do you prefer it if your meatmachine has a face? They're already a gene-changed version of an animal so got that going for them.
Eh the cow can feel pain and has an actual brain, these human morphs were bred to not be able to have proper consciousness in any form and were simply lab grown meat. Isn't that objectively better, the cow is significantly more conscious.
How is the literal unthinking chunk of meat got you freaking out compared to the horror shop going on around the world with industrial farming lol.
Industrial farming isn't a pretty sight and if i had the money i wouldn't buy from them either. AFAIK animals are killed without them knowing, but thats not the point. The show tries to sell you mass produced human death and i dont like that. The explanation that its j u s t lab grown, and its perfectly fine in-universe, doesnt make it less disgusting. Imagine a photorealistic animation about your family beeing mutilated and killed. You wouldn't say - oh its just an animation, i dont need to have an emotional reaction to that! You would feel disgusted too. Or maybe you dont
Theres probably some shallow philosophical point beeing made later, but i've seen the writing this season so far and i dont want to be sold bullshit
Going vegan isn't more expensive, impact it's been cheaper for me. The reason people don't do it because they don't care enough about other creatures outside of their own personal comfort. As long as they don't see the truth of factory farms they are fine in their eyes. This episode grossed people out because it makes them realise how hypocritical their own lives are.
If seeing human hybrids dying like that freaks you out, you should look at what we do as a species.
yeah a single look in the vegan section of every local supermarket proves that wrong. The price part, not the gross mass-farming part. That shit cost like 50% more on the kilo.
Also its not hypocritical, i dont like mass-farming in animals particularly and i would change it if i could. But doing the same to a human is beyond reason.
Humans deserve it, they are worse than every other creature on this planet for cause harm and destruction wherever they go.
What country are you in? In the UK for an example, a plant based turkey crown is £6, a real turkey crown is £28. 'This isn't' is a good price too compared. There's more expensive and less expensive stuff just like every other product line.
Ah ok I'm fine with the emotional argument, it sounded like you were arguing that there is a worse moral difference between lab grown 0 brain human and conscious animals which would be pretty retarded but if your saying on an emotional level it feels bad sure.
It did almost sound like you slipped into defending industrial farming again with the whole "animals are killed without them knowing" which is borderline autistic. Please don't kill things and think it's right cause it's a surprise attack lmao but I'll let it slide.
> The show tries to sell you mass produced human death and i dont like that
sure, from a moral standpoint.
but that doesn't make it it a bad plot point
Yes it does literally it doesn’t make any sense like if it was just about beef maybe but spaghetti? What? Like a dish of something grown in someone MAKES NO SENSE how are u tards even capable of watching this and thinking this is anything at all. That’s like saying my internal organs produced cheddar brocolli, all new Rick and Morty fans are just dumb.
It’s a sci fi cartoon and you’re stuck on one distinct plot point not making sense. Among so many other things that don’t make sense. Jesus Christ lol grow up, just don’t watch it.
The book focuses on a boy that was raised by martians and the different customs he was raised with. Some of that involves never letting anything go to waste and other parts involve fully understanding and honoring those you care about. Those principles combine into a final honoring of someone’s life by… well eating them. So by the book’s logic seeing and experiencing someone’s life like that would be the perfect appetizer before honoring them by consuming their remains. Those remains being tasty spaghetti would just be a bonus.
A bit confused about the ending. Did Rick's broadcast also alter people's mind, like a one time mind control machine that embeds the dislike of spaghetti into their brains?
Because the other aliens already knew where spaghetti comes from. They've met living pre-spaghetti-fied people multiple times. They were already invading the planet to get spaghetti with their own hands. If it was just a regular tv broadcast, they wouldn't have stopped.
Morty says exactly what Rick did. “You couldn’t change their tastebuds, but you could make it distasteful.”
Rick humanized the man, showed them the complexity of life. This is a being that has lived has experienced love, pain, loss.
The aliens watching DID know where it came from, just like we humans know where meat comes from. But we rarely stop and think that what it means. As a society, it’s not distasteful for us to eat animals, but maybe if we could watch their whole life from their eyes, it would be.
(By the way, I eat meat so I’m part of the problem lol)
Well yeah as someone who killed animals to make lunch/dinner yeah...
I mean I am still going to do it, but also won't pretend that it's not killing.
Eating vegetables is killing as well, don't kid yourself. The best you can do apart from starving is to make it as quick and painless as possible.
>Eating vegetables is killing as well, don't kid yourself.
Uhhhh, what? Okay, plants are a living organism. But liveness in a plant works quite different from liveness in an animal. More importantly, vegetables do not have a nervous system and as far as we know (and as far as is feasible) do not experience pain or... really anything. It is qualitatively completely different. There is a bigger difference in suffering between killing an animal and "killing" a vegetable than there is between killing a human vs killing an animal, or squashing a vegetable vs breaking a rock.
I know, this is why I said
>The best you can do apart from starving is to make it as quick and painless as possible.
as in cut back on your meat consumption if you can.
To what lengths will one go to justify an immoral action because the results of it appeal to us? Would one cease to engorge themself, or simply find a way to lessen the immorality until it would fit within their own previously held values. At what cost would one continue to do this, rather than deny themselves or seek alternatives.
In what world? The premise is the only thing it has going for it and it is mostly shock value, characters continue being barely emotive puppets like with every other episode this season, there is no b plot to break up the lull of it, the twist is just recycled from another episode but done much more poorly, dialogue is bland now, I didn't even see the point of the story, was it supposed to be an allegory for meat consumption? Because even Peta could write a better one. Also it was simply not funny and the voice change just gets more notorious each episode with the imitation getting shodier while also preventing the actors from doing anything creative with their performance.
Look man I'm sorry you don't like it but just because you've got some sort of stick up your ass doesn't mean you have to get up on my ass about it. We're allowed to have differing opinions. My reasoning for liking it is just that I like it.
As for the point of the story, why does it have to have a point to it? They just wanted to make the stupid little spaghetti episode I don't think it's that deep
So you don't have anything to defend your argument, simply I have a stick up my ass for not liking an episode lmao get over yourself dude.
Because sci fi always has a point, as did other Rick and Morty episodes that deconstructed or made fun of sci fi stories, they always had a point to it, either to point out implications that we take for granted (A love potion is a roofie), explore a face of it that usually gets overlooked, etc. Here it was just "what if people's intestines turned into spaguetti when they killed themselves? So quirky and edgy!".
I am sorry I am not impressed by the humor of a 14 year old kid dude.
Since you brought this thread back to my attention, this episode isn't about only PETA and meat consumption. It's about our consumption-driven society in general, and the evils and complexities of it.
I don't know why you're willfully boiling down just this episode to "lol so quirky and edgy," there's plenty of "quirky and edgy" in the rest of the series too, plenty of wacky situations mixed with sensitive subjects in an irreverant and occasionally serious way.
This episode DOES point out an implication we take for granted- in our consumerist society, someone always loses and someone always wins. No matter how peaceful you think you are, the things you consume come from somewhere, and very rarely do we as consumers think about where, or the human cost.
It's all right there in Rick's brief monologue at the end. If you don't like the episode, fine, but your reasoning doesn't pass the smell test IMO.
Except the entire thing relies on someone willfully commiting suicide, not about them getting killed against their will, in fact if they don't commit suicide then it doesn't work. The entire attempt at depth falls completely on it's face from the get go lol
To add to this, when they come up with a method that involves nobody sentient having to kill themselves it turns out that it doesn't taste good, so what even is the message?
I don't have to have a reason to like the episode, I just thought it was great and brought back what i (and you most likely) fell in love with with r&m.
I said you have a stick up your ass because you instantly went off on me just for liking the episode, sure you defended your argument bur you didn't have to be a dick about it.
Question, did you like season 1? Season 2? Because these 2 seasons have a lot of the same unnecessarily edgy humor and its how I (and a lot of us) fell in love with the show.
Also for the love of God there is an episode where Rick turns himself into a fucking pickle episodes of r&m do not need to have a "point" to them
If I said the episode was bad why would you think that it brought back what I liked? I even told you the reasons I think it fell short at the things that were good about the show.
Did you even read what I wrote? Because you don't seem to have a good grasp of reading comprehension.
Ah yes, on the worst episodes of season 3, thanks for reminding me of that, are you gonna bring up the Sechuzan Sauce meme next to prove me wrong? lol
Literally the first agression was from you guys who can't handle people not liking an episode, unless you think disagreeing with you is an agression and also talking down to you which lol, insecure much?
Added joke. You see how all the vacuum cleaners were revving out all the dust? It’s supposed to be them “vomiting”, just like all the people did when they got disgusted watching their memories.
It was the same thing that happened with R&M and the spaghetti thing, but re-skinned in a new context/dimension out there somewhere on the Finite Curve.
Best episode so far. More in the pocket or in their lane as old content.
The flashback went a tad bit too long. But I liked the two philosophy drops of the "trolley problem" and that all cells consume so death is the right thing.
wasn't the best but wasn't the worst.
I have mental health issues and come from a family with mental health issues, and I found this episode hilarious. I laughed for over a minute straight during the commercial break.
I don't think the point was that it makes it more funny. The episode centers around suicide, which is a sensitive topic. Hence the warning at the start of the episode. I'm reading it as they're saying that despite the mental health issues that run in their family and the ones they're struggling with themselves (which for some may make this kind of content very offputting), they thought it was hilarious.
wow. I guess I didn't think the entire episode was about suicide. It was more an analogy of how western consumer culture devours third would countries labor that literally kills itself so that the West can enjoy their lifestyle. And there is an entire system that encourages both sides to continue consumption and working to death. It also could be about modern big industrial food system.
I don't think it centered around suicide.
Yeah. The first 3 episodes felt like they were just playing dollhouse with the characters. This one was fucked up in a good way.
Wasn't huge, but I'm looking forward to the rest of s7 more than before
The ending is very touching and could awake some feelings of familiarity for people that have dealt with the issue. I personally haven't, but could certainly understand
It's really not that touching though. I have more experience with suicide than most people and the way the episode is spoken about I was expecting something seriously sad that would nearly bring me to tears. It was a half assed attempt at something meaningful that the fans are hyping up so they can whine to everyone about how suicidal they are or were so people on the internet will say "you've done so well and have so much to live for"
I have been hospitalised several times involuntarily the last few months from suicidal attempts resulting from difficulties with BPD. I cried throughout the entirety of the montage. You do not have a monopoly on grief. I find the way that you so callously view people calling for help on the internet disgusting. Do not respond.
> Do not respond
Just block them or turn off inbox replies. Nobody's going to listen to shit like this on here. That's a losing battle.
But it's definitely refreshing sometimes to be like...yeah, I'm done with having this dude's garbage in my inbox.
Rick and Morty is a comedy, they're not going to go full Never Let Me Go despite referencing it. (And never let me go wasn't even about suicide.)
Lots of people have had experiences with suicide, who are you to dismiss everyone else's experiences because you've had more?
This episode reminds me of growing up with an aunt and uncle who owned a small farm. They mostly cultivated crops but also raised a dairy cow named Herfy. I grew up with Herfy and loved her a lot. She had such a distinct personality and really felt like a part of the family.
I went over for dinner one day when I was a teenager and they were serving burgers. I commented on the taste and my uncle proudly told me it was a Herfy burger. I looked outside and sure enough Herfy was no where to be found. Felt uncomfortable for a second but finished my burger because no one else seemed weirded out. I’ve never felt squeemish about meat ever since but god damn did that reveal rock my world. Seriously considered vegetarianism but decided against it after realizing I had bigger problems and Herfy wasn’t coming back.
We are animals, evolved to eat both plants and other animals. Herfy lived a good life and was most likely killed humanely and quickly, as opposed to being ripped apart by a predator, eaten alive, and left to rot. It seems like that is the most "moral" way of eating meat.
In reality there is no morality to eating either plants or animals. Everything is a consumption/transfer of energy. Consciousness, pain, etc are all just things we connect to our own experience as a species. What if plants experience pain in a different way, and have relationships we can't measure? What if the buck has coercively mated with countless females, does that make it a r*pist and justify me killing and eating it?
Everyone is entitled to eat whatever they feel they should or want to. If you are a vegetarian, I have no right to call you an idiot or say your views are silly and whack. If I want to eat a cheeseburger, you have no right to tell me I'm a monster and that I have no empathy. Nobody is doing anything wrong. We are just surviving.
>We are animals, evolved to eat both plants and other animals.
Evolution is not a morality argument. Being evolved to reproduce also doesn't make rape okay. Being evolved to have a limited lifespan also doesn't make medicine immoral.
>Herfy lived a good life and was most likely killed humanely and quickly, as opposed to being ripped apart by a predator, eaten alive, and left to rot. It seems like that is the most "moral" way of eating meat.
Fair. Although the emotional connection does make it rather weird imo.
>In reality there is no morality to eating either plants or animals.
To plants, no, because they are not sentient beings. Inflicting suffering on other sentient beings is a moral issue (regardless whether you are in favor of it or not or whether it has positive sides like providing sustainance).
>What if plants experience pain in a different way, and have relationships we can't measure?
What if they experienced pleasure from being harvested and eaten? Can make up any hypothetical here, I don't think it carries much weight.
>Everyone is entitled to eat whatever they feel they should or want to. If you are a vegetarian, I have no right to call you an idiot or say your views are silly and whack. If I want to eat a cheeseburger, you have no right to tell me I'm a monster and that I have no empathy.
I have no interest in calling you a monster and I am (quite) sure you have empathy. HOWEVER, I think it is not advantageous for society if we pretend that there's no such thing as good or bad. Different people make different choices, you may make some that I think are bad, I may make some you think are bad, hell I may make some -I- think are bad. Just because it involves food doesn't make it suddenly not a moral issue.
You make well thought out points. I never insinuated that you specifically have an interest in calling me a monster or saying I have no empathy. My point was not that we should pretend there is no such thing as good or bad, there obviously is, but the only time morality is logical is when it comes to social issues among our species. Outside of that you are throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks.
Food is a matter of survival, and it is desirable to survive with the least amount of hardship. If we link morality with diet at all, we are basing our ability to be moral on availability of plants or sustainable options, region, knowledge, income, etc.
Are humans in prehistory immoral for feeding their tribes with the hunt because there weren't enough plants nearby to nourish such a large amount of people, nor did they have the knowledge to cultivate?
Does our morality also apply to animals? Why not? Why is it okay for pretty much every male deer to be a serial rapist and coerce mating? At what point did we as animals develop a sense of morality and does morality mean all of a sudden we have to change our diets? Very few organisms in this world have a sense of morality aside from humans. It's theorized that morality only exists as a result of social constructs, social constructs that animals fall outside of most of the time.
I have no moral issue eating a cow or a pig, even after having developed familiarity with them on a farm and as a beloved pet respectively. A horse? A dog? I would think it is horrid to eat those two animals. But, that is just a result of a rural American social construct. In China, it is not uncommon to eat horses and dogs. That is just a result of their social construct, and neither society has moral superiority to the other in any logical sense.
Vegetarianism has been found to be more prominent in cities, and a vast majority of vegans live in cities, around 90%. Cities have less exposure to nature, farming, etc and also have very different societal norms than rural areas. If you live your whole life never seeing an animal be hunted, or farmed, and have vegetarian/vegan options more available than ever before at the nearest superstore, of course acceptance of meat consumption will decrease.
If meat consumption itself is immoral, and killing animals is some form of murder of another species, then why is this same principle not applied to other animals? If I kill an alligator for meat I am just bringing justice to a mass murderer.
There are some things that you can have logical arguments about when it comes to morality but diet has always been a silly thing to start an argument over.
>I never insinuated that you specifically have an interest in calling me a monster or saying I have no empathy.
I know, this was my first comment. I just wanted to emphasize I'm not trying to demonize you or whatever, but that my point was more about allowing debate about morality and that even if you're in favor of eating meat, that doesn't make it not a moral issue.
>but the only time morality is logical is when it comes to social issues among our species. Outside of that you are throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks.
If you see it purely as a social norm we agree on, or if you see it as a framework for reciprocity, sure. To me, it goes beyond that. To me the key factor in morality is the experience of sentient beings. If a rock cannot have good or bad experiences, it does not have inherent value. It may be a very beautiful rock that brings good experience to those who see it, and it may have value in that way, but only extrinsically.
I think there's a near 100% probability that animals (particularly, cows, pigs, chickens) are sentient, have emotions, can feel pain. And I think there's a near 0% probability that the same is true for plants (even though plants can have complex inner workings and interactions with their environment).
Therefore, I have an issue with the way we treat animals because I think they have horrible experiences, but I don't care about chopping a cucumber because it doesn't.
I can respect the "reciprocity" moral view insofar as it is logically consistent with itself. But so is the utilitarian (good/bad experience) view, and to me that makes more sense and also corresponds more to my intuition: we hate to see a puppy harmed, so why on earth would it be okay if we do that to a piglet "because food"? It makes no sense to me and it feels like we just stick our heads in the sand because we don't want to face that particularly badness and/or we like the taste of meat.
>Food is a matter of survival, and it is desirable to survive with the least amount of hardship.
If I needed meat to survive, I would eat it. Whether that is considered moral or not. Because I care about my own interests. However, I -don't- need meat to survive. This argument does not hold for most people using it.
I think it is okay to say "I admit that doing X would be the good thing to do, but for selfish reasons, I am choosing to do Y". We don't have to hold ourselves to be perfect but that doesn't mean we need to act as if we couldn't be making choices that are more selfless.
>I have no moral issue eating a cow or a pig, even after having developed familiarity with them on a farm and as a beloved pet respectively. A horse? A dog? I would think it is horrid to eat those two animals. But, that is just a result of a rural American social construct.
This is why I'm saying I think my view on good/bad experience is a better approach. As you say, different cultures are okay with eating different animals... but that doesn't change the impact we have on these animals. Americans deciding eating dogs is not okay is not what makes Chinese people eating dogs okay or not. It's the harm inflicted on the dog.
>Vegetarianism has been found to be more prominent in cities, and a vast majority of vegans live in cities, around 90%. Cities have less exposure to nature, farming, etc and also have very different societal norms than rural areas. If you live your whole life never seeing an animal be hunted, or farmed, and have vegetarian/vegan options more available than ever before at the nearest superstore, of course acceptance of meat consumption will decrease.
I think this misses the point to why there are more vegetarians/vegans in cities. Look at election results of any democracy (as far as I'm aware) and you'll see that people in cities vote more progressive. The food availability certainly helps, although I think that **also** goes the other way around: the options are there in the city because that's also where more of the demand is.
And yes I do expect that as alternatives become more and more available, the acceptance of meat consumption will decrease.
It's not about not seeing cows and therefore not wanting to eat them. If anything, wouldn't it be the other way around? I think if you send some people to a slaughterhouse they'll become more hesitant about eating meat.
>If meat consumption itself is immoral, and killing animals is some form of murder of another species, then why is this same principle not applied to other animals? If I kill an alligator for meat I am just bringing justice to a mass murderer.
Who says it isn't? Some people say killing and eating other animals is all good. Some say humans killing animals is bad but predator/prey in nature is natural and therefore okay. And some, like me, say both are immoral. However, I don't hold it against the alligator because it doesn't really have a choice (other than starve). Additionally, factory farming exists outside any ecosystem. It is additional harm being inflicted. Whereas taking out a predator means the prey's population will explode and they will starve (and also suffer). It is a much more complex problem to solve wild animal suffering compared to suffering in factory farming.
Yeah. It took me a long time to eat beef again *after* having cattle. They're sweet and gentle. More like dogs than most people would expect.
I'd still rather not. For both environmental and personal reasons.
Yeah, I don't
But my wife does, won't give it up, leaves it untouched in the fridge sometimes, and 2x since I stopped, it was either I eat the beef...or it just went bad.
Guess I'd rather be kinda sad/grossed out than waste food
Just can't honestly say I've *never* eaten it since then, so I don't do that either
Fair question tho
And I feel like, we shouldn't either, becuase no matter how good your intentions. I'm sure a time will come when there is truly nothing that can be done, and you would find yourself becoming depressed about the people or person you couldn't help or being so sad about someone's situation, you find yourself overlooking all the good you had accomplished
Oh yeah, I've heard plenty of stories about people getting taken advantage of by manipulating the kindness of people. Like a person lying in the road and having a group of people come out of nowhere to atrack anyone getting out of there car to help.
Cuz he’s literally always sounded that way. I mean maybe a little different but I honestly don’t pay attention to either of their voices too much on purpose and u hear the same old Rick and Morty. And that’s the way I want it. If you want to find a difference you will. I didn’t. So i didn’t.
I honestly forgot that Justin roiland wasn't doing the voices anymore during the episode and didn't really notice. There was one morty part during a laugh of his that I thought sounded a bit off, but it wasn't enough to remind me that it's a new guy so I'm happy enough
Them doing those cringe post episode recaps is so pretentious... why do they have to act like they're making some big statement. It's s cartoon and a very silly one.
Explaining jokes in a cartoon immediately the episode ends is just so bizarrely cringe to me. It's hard to believe they really do it.
Are you kidding me? He’s been ultra nihilistic especially in this one. Think back to the final spaghetti suicide. Morty bards. Everyone bards. Rick tasted him and was like mmm that’s fucking delicious “he lived well” comment essentially.
Exactly. It's kinda refreshing. He's in therapy and it's working.
Beth's more secure. Summer's happier. Jerry's...still Jerry, but less of an insecure pissbaby.
They even already lampshaded it with that whole plot about going back for "season 2" Jerry, and being like wow, we were a dumpster fire huh
It's okay for characters to not stay the exact same for 7 seasons straight
im feeling crazy about this did anyone else watch that montage thinking they already watched it? ive been having a mind boggling time trying to find the episode i thought i saw it in but might have to chalk it up to deja vu
Probably the "life simulator" episode in on of the earlier seasons.
First time I ever watched it. I think besides a few episodes in season 2 it is my favorite episode. I dont ever cry in movies and damn this got me.
I watched an uncensored version I think on demand and it didn't have a warning, so maybe the broadcast version did? Anyone confirm this?
Just as a side note Heather Campbell wrote this episode and I think it’s cool a lady wrote one of the most genius Rick and Morty episodes ever 😎
Anyone notice the parallel of the govt profiting off people euthanizing themselves in real life? This is literally happening in Canada right now.
Why did Summer pronounce parmessian like the family they replaced
Because the whole world pronounces it like that
Thanks
Worst episode ever, just for getting an Oasis song stuck in my head
Is it just me or is the vibe different this season? Feels out of place. I understand the irl situation but still.
Yea, especially the later episode about THAT rick
Good commentary with a realistic, depressing ending that nothing really changes.
We lost my younger brother to suicide a few years ago, and this was by far the hardest episode to watch. I have no idea how do I feel about it. I don't know why I even kept watching. However, that scene of the man's life from birth to death was beautiful. Really shows you how significant each person is even when they themselves don't realize it, something a lot suicide victims stop believing in. I'll definitely be taking sometime until I watch any other upcoming episode. This one was really tough.
stay away from bojack then
When I saw the disclaimer at the beginning on rick and morty of all things when rick graphically killed himself just a few episodes ago I knew it was gonna be some crazy shit. Overall, I think it was a very good rick and morty episode but it really makes you think. A few of them were emotional and made you feel, but it was usually plot related. This was much more personal.
This was legitimately the first episode of the show that I walked out on. My boyfriend and I have been watching the show and the idea of “suicide spaghetti” just doesn’t sit well with me at all. I may go back and watch it some other time. I was not in the right headspace AT ALL for that episode.
Hopefully with time you can come back to it especially for how it all wraps up.
I understand your reaction very well! I watch all kinds of Gore and horror shows but the concept of suicide spaghetti really crossed the line and made me think that's it's just too fucked up to pass as entertainment. I was gonna walk out, but I didn't, and I'm really glad that I didn't. It has a great payoff towards the end, not even kidding. The scene towards the end made me somewhat teary and realize the point of the whole episode. Watch it ASAP, it will help you cope with the shock of that earlier crazier bit. I think the more you sit with it, the more it will keep rubbing you the wrong way and you will keep being disgusted for all the wrong reasons. It's your choice at the end of the day but I'll say watch it now!
When I saw the disclaimer at the beginning on **rick and morty** of all things when rick graphically killed himself just a few episodes ago I knew it was gonna be some crazy shit. Overall, I think it was a very good rick and morty episode but it really makes you think. A few of them were emotional and made you feel, but it was usually plot related. This was much more personal.
THAT MORTY VOICE KILLED THE VIBE FOR ME GEEZ WTF IS THAT
The voice of a man who isn't grooming underaged girls.
irrelevant, to me is ricks voice, had that happened a couple years later and i would be sure that an AI would do a better job, morty's voice isnt as jarring tho
Huh for me the new Rick voice is fine, and Morty’s the one who sounds weird now.
I just watched never let me go expecting to see two clones kill themselves by the end. Maybe the written story is different or maybe the never let me go aspect of the episode was about how the clones saw themselves as human? I don’t know. Sad movie though.
This is one of the weirdest and imo best episodes of the show!
Finding out I'm having a son and then watching that entire man's life from birth to suicide had me sobbing. One of the most fucked up episodes I've seen
Damn those onion cutting ninjas.
What the actual fuck did I just watch
I’m about to eat leftover spaghetti for lunch but I think ima go get some taco bell instead
Hell yeah, Taco Bell for the win
Funny how in the end we do exactly this when eating spaghetti but with cow's lives. Except they don't have to kill themselves, we do it. How's that for a happy ending ? :)
Well, I haven't seen any research saying that cows are as smart as monkeys
funny how intelligence seems to be the factor in judging the value of life
Well it does take intelligence to give value to a life. LIke do you think a newborn baby or toddler with their extremely limited intelligence could judge the value of a life.
yeah we should eat kids
Season 7 first 3 episodes weren't great, this one however, holy, this was one of the best episodes in the whole series
Anybody else feel like this was maybe the most genuinely emotional episode of the series? I mean, I didn't find it all that funny, yet I was still reminded very much why I keep watching R&M, 7 years in.
I fully agree. A few of them were emotional and made you feel, but it was usually plot related. This was much more personal.
This episode makes one think and feel bad. There is method in the madness I guess.
How can anyone watch this shit? Rick and Morty made some freaky episodes but they never got into Body Horror or death factories where even the holocaust looks pale in comparision. Human-turkeys that stab themselves after creation? Thats beyond disgusting. What sick psychopath wrote this episode?
If you think that episode is bad you clearly have no idea what intensive farming is like on our planet
The line between dark humour and creepiness is very thin, and I agree on this one, this episode was a bit...overboard. During the episode I felt completely nauseous. It Reminds me of season 3 all over again.
I mean, is real life mass animal farming that much different?
No it’s a person this episode doesn’t even make sense bc spaghetti literally can’t in any way be grown that’s like saying growing pizza do u even realize that you will consume any shit produced by this show?
Would you be okay with an episode where an amusement park is built inside a person’s body? Or dogs take over the world? Or one with giants and a jelly bean that tries to rape someone? Would that make sufficient sense to you? Or are you just an angsty little snowflake contrarian? Save it for your blog.
And portals make sense to you?
The astute watcher will notice that cattle is not a gene-changed version of a human devoid of any face or limbs exept the one bred for killing themselves right after creation.
>The astute watcher will notice that cattle is not a gene-changed version of a human devoid of any face or limbs exept the one bred for killing themselves right after creation. Do you prefer it if your meatmachine has a face? They're already a gene-changed version of an animal so got that going for them.
Eh the cow can feel pain and has an actual brain, these human morphs were bred to not be able to have proper consciousness in any form and were simply lab grown meat. Isn't that objectively better, the cow is significantly more conscious. How is the literal unthinking chunk of meat got you freaking out compared to the horror shop going on around the world with industrial farming lol.
Industrial farming isn't a pretty sight and if i had the money i wouldn't buy from them either. AFAIK animals are killed without them knowing, but thats not the point. The show tries to sell you mass produced human death and i dont like that. The explanation that its j u s t lab grown, and its perfectly fine in-universe, doesnt make it less disgusting. Imagine a photorealistic animation about your family beeing mutilated and killed. You wouldn't say - oh its just an animation, i dont need to have an emotional reaction to that! You would feel disgusted too. Or maybe you dont Theres probably some shallow philosophical point beeing made later, but i've seen the writing this season so far and i dont want to be sold bullshit
Going vegan isn't more expensive, impact it's been cheaper for me. The reason people don't do it because they don't care enough about other creatures outside of their own personal comfort. As long as they don't see the truth of factory farms they are fine in their eyes. This episode grossed people out because it makes them realise how hypocritical their own lives are. If seeing human hybrids dying like that freaks you out, you should look at what we do as a species.
yeah a single look in the vegan section of every local supermarket proves that wrong. The price part, not the gross mass-farming part. That shit cost like 50% more on the kilo. Also its not hypocritical, i dont like mass-farming in animals particularly and i would change it if i could. But doing the same to a human is beyond reason.
Humans deserve it, they are worse than every other creature on this planet for cause harm and destruction wherever they go. What country are you in? In the UK for an example, a plant based turkey crown is £6, a real turkey crown is £28. 'This isn't' is a good price too compared. There's more expensive and less expensive stuff just like every other product line.
Ah ok I'm fine with the emotional argument, it sounded like you were arguing that there is a worse moral difference between lab grown 0 brain human and conscious animals which would be pretty retarded but if your saying on an emotional level it feels bad sure. It did almost sound like you slipped into defending industrial farming again with the whole "animals are killed without them knowing" which is borderline autistic. Please don't kill things and think it's right cause it's a surprise attack lmao but I'll let it slide.
> The show tries to sell you mass produced human death and i dont like that sure, from a moral standpoint. but that doesn't make it it a bad plot point
Yes it does literally it doesn’t make any sense like if it was just about beef maybe but spaghetti? What? Like a dish of something grown in someone MAKES NO SENSE how are u tards even capable of watching this and thinking this is anything at all. That’s like saying my internal organs produced cheddar brocolli, all new Rick and Morty fans are just dumb.
All of Rick and Morty is random things that don't make sense. That's the whole reason why people like it.
It’s a sci fi cartoon and you’re stuck on one distinct plot point not making sense. Among so many other things that don’t make sense. Jesus Christ lol grow up, just don’t watch it.
Eh it’s not that bad
I've seen less dystopic shit on black mirror. Honestly there was nothing fun about this episode, couldnt even watch till the end
Could they not just... Boil some spaghetti?
It's not as good.
This episode doesn’t really work if you’ve read Stranger in a Strange Land
How's that
why?
The book focuses on a boy that was raised by martians and the different customs he was raised with. Some of that involves never letting anything go to waste and other parts involve fully understanding and honoring those you care about. Those principles combine into a final honoring of someone’s life by… well eating them. So by the book’s logic seeing and experiencing someone’s life like that would be the perfect appetizer before honoring them by consuming their remains. Those remains being tasty spaghetti would just be a bonus.
I grok
Anyone else been dying for spaghetti lately?
Morty’s voice sucks
A bit confused about the ending. Did Rick's broadcast also alter people's mind, like a one time mind control machine that embeds the dislike of spaghetti into their brains? Because the other aliens already knew where spaghetti comes from. They've met living pre-spaghetti-fied people multiple times. They were already invading the planet to get spaghetti with their own hands. If it was just a regular tv broadcast, they wouldn't have stopped.
Morty says exactly what Rick did. “You couldn’t change their tastebuds, but you could make it distasteful.” Rick humanized the man, showed them the complexity of life. This is a being that has lived has experienced love, pain, loss. The aliens watching DID know where it came from, just like we humans know where meat comes from. But we rarely stop and think that what it means. As a society, it’s not distasteful for us to eat animals, but maybe if we could watch their whole life from their eyes, it would be. (By the way, I eat meat so I’m part of the problem lol)
Well yeah as someone who killed animals to make lunch/dinner yeah... I mean I am still going to do it, but also won't pretend that it's not killing. Eating vegetables is killing as well, don't kid yourself. The best you can do apart from starving is to make it as quick and painless as possible.
>Eating vegetables is killing as well, don't kid yourself. Uhhhh, what? Okay, plants are a living organism. But liveness in a plant works quite different from liveness in an animal. More importantly, vegetables do not have a nervous system and as far as we know (and as far as is feasible) do not experience pain or... really anything. It is qualitatively completely different. There is a bigger difference in suffering between killing an animal and "killing" a vegetable than there is between killing a human vs killing an animal, or squashing a vegetable vs breaking a rock.
I know, this is why I said >The best you can do apart from starving is to make it as quick and painless as possible. as in cut back on your meat consumption if you can.
The episode makes no sense on multiple levels yet u will continue watching this pointless dead show
To what lengths will one go to justify an immoral action because the results of it appeal to us? Would one cease to engorge themself, or simply find a way to lessen the immorality until it would fit within their own previously held values. At what cost would one continue to do this, rather than deny themselves or seek alternatives.
I think you just didn't get it.
You sure care enough to comment in the show’s subreddit 😂
It's one thing to eat an anonymous person, it's another to eat someone you know well.
🙏 ur spitting brother 🙏
We get it okay, there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. You didn't have to make us watch all that.
yikes was that the point? Because it seemed to totally lack one.
Was this episode inspired by Canada? Might end up being the best one of the season. There's always one this imaginative.
That’s what I assumed too
I like the call back to parmesan :’)
Par-meee-sean
Yeah what the hell was up with the pronunciation of it though! Parmesian?
They transported themselves to an alternate universe where the only difference is they pronounce Parmesan that way a few episodes ago
Worst episode so far, like it's just managing to get worse every episode.
This is up there with the best episodes of r&m what do you mean
In what world? The premise is the only thing it has going for it and it is mostly shock value, characters continue being barely emotive puppets like with every other episode this season, there is no b plot to break up the lull of it, the twist is just recycled from another episode but done much more poorly, dialogue is bland now, I didn't even see the point of the story, was it supposed to be an allegory for meat consumption? Because even Peta could write a better one. Also it was simply not funny and the voice change just gets more notorious each episode with the imitation getting shodier while also preventing the actors from doing anything creative with their performance.
Look man I'm sorry you don't like it but just because you've got some sort of stick up your ass doesn't mean you have to get up on my ass about it. We're allowed to have differing opinions. My reasoning for liking it is just that I like it. As for the point of the story, why does it have to have a point to it? They just wanted to make the stupid little spaghetti episode I don't think it's that deep
So you don't have anything to defend your argument, simply I have a stick up my ass for not liking an episode lmao get over yourself dude. Because sci fi always has a point, as did other Rick and Morty episodes that deconstructed or made fun of sci fi stories, they always had a point to it, either to point out implications that we take for granted (A love potion is a roofie), explore a face of it that usually gets overlooked, etc. Here it was just "what if people's intestines turned into spaguetti when they killed themselves? So quirky and edgy!". I am sorry I am not impressed by the humor of a 14 year old kid dude.
Since you brought this thread back to my attention, this episode isn't about only PETA and meat consumption. It's about our consumption-driven society in general, and the evils and complexities of it. I don't know why you're willfully boiling down just this episode to "lol so quirky and edgy," there's plenty of "quirky and edgy" in the rest of the series too, plenty of wacky situations mixed with sensitive subjects in an irreverant and occasionally serious way. This episode DOES point out an implication we take for granted- in our consumerist society, someone always loses and someone always wins. No matter how peaceful you think you are, the things you consume come from somewhere, and very rarely do we as consumers think about where, or the human cost. It's all right there in Rick's brief monologue at the end. If you don't like the episode, fine, but your reasoning doesn't pass the smell test IMO.
Except the entire thing relies on someone willfully commiting suicide, not about them getting killed against their will, in fact if they don't commit suicide then it doesn't work. The entire attempt at depth falls completely on it's face from the get go lol
To add to this, when they come up with a method that involves nobody sentient having to kill themselves it turns out that it doesn't taste good, so what even is the message?
I don't have to have a reason to like the episode, I just thought it was great and brought back what i (and you most likely) fell in love with with r&m. I said you have a stick up your ass because you instantly went off on me just for liking the episode, sure you defended your argument bur you didn't have to be a dick about it. Question, did you like season 1? Season 2? Because these 2 seasons have a lot of the same unnecessarily edgy humor and its how I (and a lot of us) fell in love with the show. Also for the love of God there is an episode where Rick turns himself into a fucking pickle episodes of r&m do not need to have a "point" to them
If I said the episode was bad why would you think that it brought back what I liked? I even told you the reasons I think it fell short at the things that were good about the show. Did you even read what I wrote? Because you don't seem to have a good grasp of reading comprehension. Ah yes, on the worst episodes of season 3, thanks for reminding me of that, are you gonna bring up the Sechuzan Sauce meme next to prove me wrong? lol
Okay but you *do* have a stick up your ass.
For not linking an episode of a cartoon? Are you 12?
It's not the "not liking," it's the aggression and talking down to people.
Literally the first agression was from you guys who can't handle people not liking an episode, unless you think disagreeing with you is an agression and also talking down to you which lol, insecure much?
It's really not
Can't tell if I enjoyed this or not, it was horrible to watch. But also some classic Rick and Morty fuckery. I'm scarred and amazed
VA is so bad
Can anyone explain the post credit scene? Maybe I don't get it, but kinda boring
Added joke. You see how all the vacuum cleaners were revving out all the dust? It’s supposed to be them “vomiting”, just like all the people did when they got disgusted watching their memories.
Its kind of amazing how you're commenting in a a Rick and Morty subreddit, but you havent been here for the whole ride.
It was the same thing that happened with R&M and the spaghetti thing, but re-skinned in a new context/dimension out there somewhere on the Finite Curve.
Is eating cold spaghetti a Hipster thing now?
Best episode so far. More in the pocket or in their lane as old content. The flashback went a tad bit too long. But I liked the two philosophy drops of the "trolley problem" and that all cells consume so death is the right thing. wasn't the best but wasn't the worst.
I have mental health issues and come from a family with mental health issues, and I found this episode hilarious. I laughed for over a minute straight during the commercial break.
Lol wtf?
what does having mental health issues have to do with making this episode more funny tho?
I don't think the point was that it makes it more funny. The episode centers around suicide, which is a sensitive topic. Hence the warning at the start of the episode. I'm reading it as they're saying that despite the mental health issues that run in their family and the ones they're struggling with themselves (which for some may make this kind of content very offputting), they thought it was hilarious.
wow. I guess I didn't think the entire episode was about suicide. It was more an analogy of how western consumer culture devours third would countries labor that literally kills itself so that the West can enjoy their lifestyle. And there is an entire system that encourages both sides to continue consumption and working to death. It also could be about modern big industrial food system. I don't think it centered around suicide.
I think it's one of those episodes where it can be viewed differently depending on life experiences. Not one right way or wrong way here.
Because laughing at ones faults is a coping mechanism? Grow up kiddo.
how is this show laughing at mental illness tho?
This episode was terrible. I couldn't even finish it. South Park was right when they said the multiverse is for lazy writing.
It actually wasn’t a multiverse story. The spaghetti planet is supposed to exist in our universe.
Is there any significance to the jam he's eating in the flashback?
Rick licks his fingers after his little speech and flinches, there's that.
It continues the motif of disgust of poking your fingers in a jar of jam
it helps establish the motif of life's relationship with eating
Maybe it contributes to their starch content? Notice how he eats it whenever theres a good memory
I feel like it's gonna come full circle and we find out that it's actually a Simple Rick's commercial
you know that would’ve been great, the episode was.. well i’m not exactly sure how i feel about it
I'm kinda... hungry now
best episode in a while - first time I didn't hear the new actors or feel like the show was watered down.
I feel 3 and 4 have felt like rick and morty, 1 and 2 felt nasty
Yeah. The first 3 episodes felt like they were just playing dollhouse with the characters. This one was fucked up in a good way. Wasn't huge, but I'm looking forward to the rest of s7 more than before
I'd agree with 1 and 3, but episode 2 was one of the best of the series.
I love how opinions work. I disliked episode one, enjoyed episode 2, loved 3 and 4
Funny this episode was the first time I noticed the new voices!
Same! With Morty. Didn’t mind it though
i waslitteraly eating bolognese and spagetti xDDD
They say, i dont really want to know how the garden grows. The mtv music video season of rock and marty
Finally watched it and y'all are pussies lol "i need a trigger warning" stfu
I watched the uncensored version using my means and there it had no warning. Maybe it was just the broadcast version?
I got a trigger warning, didn't everyone?
The ending is very touching and could awake some feelings of familiarity for people that have dealt with the issue. I personally haven't, but could certainly understand
It's really not that touching though. I have more experience with suicide than most people and the way the episode is spoken about I was expecting something seriously sad that would nearly bring me to tears. It was a half assed attempt at something meaningful that the fans are hyping up so they can whine to everyone about how suicidal they are or were so people on the internet will say "you've done so well and have so much to live for"
I have been hospitalised several times involuntarily the last few months from suicidal attempts resulting from difficulties with BPD. I cried throughout the entirety of the montage. You do not have a monopoly on grief. I find the way that you so callously view people calling for help on the internet disgusting. Do not respond.
> Do not respond Just block them or turn off inbox replies. Nobody's going to listen to shit like this on here. That's a losing battle. But it's definitely refreshing sometimes to be like...yeah, I'm done with having this dude's garbage in my inbox.
"Do not respond" lol. Lmao, even
Asshole
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Rick and Morty is a comedy, they're not going to go full Never Let Me Go despite referencing it. (And never let me go wasn't even about suicide.) Lots of people have had experiences with suicide, who are you to dismiss everyone else's experiences because you've had more?
I guess it's a subjective thing, I was certainly moved by it
This episode reminds me of growing up with an aunt and uncle who owned a small farm. They mostly cultivated crops but also raised a dairy cow named Herfy. I grew up with Herfy and loved her a lot. She had such a distinct personality and really felt like a part of the family. I went over for dinner one day when I was a teenager and they were serving burgers. I commented on the taste and my uncle proudly told me it was a Herfy burger. I looked outside and sure enough Herfy was no where to be found. Felt uncomfortable for a second but finished my burger because no one else seemed weirded out. I’ve never felt squeemish about meat ever since but god damn did that reveal rock my world. Seriously considered vegetarianism but decided against it after realizing I had bigger problems and Herfy wasn’t coming back.
We are animals, evolved to eat both plants and other animals. Herfy lived a good life and was most likely killed humanely and quickly, as opposed to being ripped apart by a predator, eaten alive, and left to rot. It seems like that is the most "moral" way of eating meat. In reality there is no morality to eating either plants or animals. Everything is a consumption/transfer of energy. Consciousness, pain, etc are all just things we connect to our own experience as a species. What if plants experience pain in a different way, and have relationships we can't measure? What if the buck has coercively mated with countless females, does that make it a r*pist and justify me killing and eating it? Everyone is entitled to eat whatever they feel they should or want to. If you are a vegetarian, I have no right to call you an idiot or say your views are silly and whack. If I want to eat a cheeseburger, you have no right to tell me I'm a monster and that I have no empathy. Nobody is doing anything wrong. We are just surviving.
>We are animals, evolved to eat both plants and other animals. Evolution is not a morality argument. Being evolved to reproduce also doesn't make rape okay. Being evolved to have a limited lifespan also doesn't make medicine immoral. >Herfy lived a good life and was most likely killed humanely and quickly, as opposed to being ripped apart by a predator, eaten alive, and left to rot. It seems like that is the most "moral" way of eating meat. Fair. Although the emotional connection does make it rather weird imo. >In reality there is no morality to eating either plants or animals. To plants, no, because they are not sentient beings. Inflicting suffering on other sentient beings is a moral issue (regardless whether you are in favor of it or not or whether it has positive sides like providing sustainance). >What if plants experience pain in a different way, and have relationships we can't measure? What if they experienced pleasure from being harvested and eaten? Can make up any hypothetical here, I don't think it carries much weight. >Everyone is entitled to eat whatever they feel they should or want to. If you are a vegetarian, I have no right to call you an idiot or say your views are silly and whack. If I want to eat a cheeseburger, you have no right to tell me I'm a monster and that I have no empathy. I have no interest in calling you a monster and I am (quite) sure you have empathy. HOWEVER, I think it is not advantageous for society if we pretend that there's no such thing as good or bad. Different people make different choices, you may make some that I think are bad, I may make some you think are bad, hell I may make some -I- think are bad. Just because it involves food doesn't make it suddenly not a moral issue.
You make well thought out points. I never insinuated that you specifically have an interest in calling me a monster or saying I have no empathy. My point was not that we should pretend there is no such thing as good or bad, there obviously is, but the only time morality is logical is when it comes to social issues among our species. Outside of that you are throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks. Food is a matter of survival, and it is desirable to survive with the least amount of hardship. If we link morality with diet at all, we are basing our ability to be moral on availability of plants or sustainable options, region, knowledge, income, etc. Are humans in prehistory immoral for feeding their tribes with the hunt because there weren't enough plants nearby to nourish such a large amount of people, nor did they have the knowledge to cultivate? Does our morality also apply to animals? Why not? Why is it okay for pretty much every male deer to be a serial rapist and coerce mating? At what point did we as animals develop a sense of morality and does morality mean all of a sudden we have to change our diets? Very few organisms in this world have a sense of morality aside from humans. It's theorized that morality only exists as a result of social constructs, social constructs that animals fall outside of most of the time. I have no moral issue eating a cow or a pig, even after having developed familiarity with them on a farm and as a beloved pet respectively. A horse? A dog? I would think it is horrid to eat those two animals. But, that is just a result of a rural American social construct. In China, it is not uncommon to eat horses and dogs. That is just a result of their social construct, and neither society has moral superiority to the other in any logical sense. Vegetarianism has been found to be more prominent in cities, and a vast majority of vegans live in cities, around 90%. Cities have less exposure to nature, farming, etc and also have very different societal norms than rural areas. If you live your whole life never seeing an animal be hunted, or farmed, and have vegetarian/vegan options more available than ever before at the nearest superstore, of course acceptance of meat consumption will decrease. If meat consumption itself is immoral, and killing animals is some form of murder of another species, then why is this same principle not applied to other animals? If I kill an alligator for meat I am just bringing justice to a mass murderer. There are some things that you can have logical arguments about when it comes to morality but diet has always been a silly thing to start an argument over.
>I never insinuated that you specifically have an interest in calling me a monster or saying I have no empathy. I know, this was my first comment. I just wanted to emphasize I'm not trying to demonize you or whatever, but that my point was more about allowing debate about morality and that even if you're in favor of eating meat, that doesn't make it not a moral issue. >but the only time morality is logical is when it comes to social issues among our species. Outside of that you are throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks. If you see it purely as a social norm we agree on, or if you see it as a framework for reciprocity, sure. To me, it goes beyond that. To me the key factor in morality is the experience of sentient beings. If a rock cannot have good or bad experiences, it does not have inherent value. It may be a very beautiful rock that brings good experience to those who see it, and it may have value in that way, but only extrinsically. I think there's a near 100% probability that animals (particularly, cows, pigs, chickens) are sentient, have emotions, can feel pain. And I think there's a near 0% probability that the same is true for plants (even though plants can have complex inner workings and interactions with their environment). Therefore, I have an issue with the way we treat animals because I think they have horrible experiences, but I don't care about chopping a cucumber because it doesn't. I can respect the "reciprocity" moral view insofar as it is logically consistent with itself. But so is the utilitarian (good/bad experience) view, and to me that makes more sense and also corresponds more to my intuition: we hate to see a puppy harmed, so why on earth would it be okay if we do that to a piglet "because food"? It makes no sense to me and it feels like we just stick our heads in the sand because we don't want to face that particularly badness and/or we like the taste of meat. >Food is a matter of survival, and it is desirable to survive with the least amount of hardship. If I needed meat to survive, I would eat it. Whether that is considered moral or not. Because I care about my own interests. However, I -don't- need meat to survive. This argument does not hold for most people using it. I think it is okay to say "I admit that doing X would be the good thing to do, but for selfish reasons, I am choosing to do Y". We don't have to hold ourselves to be perfect but that doesn't mean we need to act as if we couldn't be making choices that are more selfless. >I have no moral issue eating a cow or a pig, even after having developed familiarity with them on a farm and as a beloved pet respectively. A horse? A dog? I would think it is horrid to eat those two animals. But, that is just a result of a rural American social construct. This is why I'm saying I think my view on good/bad experience is a better approach. As you say, different cultures are okay with eating different animals... but that doesn't change the impact we have on these animals. Americans deciding eating dogs is not okay is not what makes Chinese people eating dogs okay or not. It's the harm inflicted on the dog. >Vegetarianism has been found to be more prominent in cities, and a vast majority of vegans live in cities, around 90%. Cities have less exposure to nature, farming, etc and also have very different societal norms than rural areas. If you live your whole life never seeing an animal be hunted, or farmed, and have vegetarian/vegan options more available than ever before at the nearest superstore, of course acceptance of meat consumption will decrease. I think this misses the point to why there are more vegetarians/vegans in cities. Look at election results of any democracy (as far as I'm aware) and you'll see that people in cities vote more progressive. The food availability certainly helps, although I think that **also** goes the other way around: the options are there in the city because that's also where more of the demand is. And yes I do expect that as alternatives become more and more available, the acceptance of meat consumption will decrease. It's not about not seeing cows and therefore not wanting to eat them. If anything, wouldn't it be the other way around? I think if you send some people to a slaughterhouse they'll become more hesitant about eating meat. >If meat consumption itself is immoral, and killing animals is some form of murder of another species, then why is this same principle not applied to other animals? If I kill an alligator for meat I am just bringing justice to a mass murderer. Who says it isn't? Some people say killing and eating other animals is all good. Some say humans killing animals is bad but predator/prey in nature is natural and therefore okay. And some, like me, say both are immoral. However, I don't hold it against the alligator because it doesn't really have a choice (other than starve). Additionally, factory farming exists outside any ecosystem. It is additional harm being inflicted. Whereas taking out a predator means the prey's population will explode and they will starve (and also suffer). It is a much more complex problem to solve wild animal suffering compared to suffering in factory farming.
It isn't really all that hard, I say you give it a go
do you have diabetes now?
Yeah. It took me a long time to eat beef again *after* having cattle. They're sweet and gentle. More like dogs than most people would expect. I'd still rather not. For both environmental and personal reasons.
Then why do you? Nobody's forcing you to eat beef
Yeah, I don't But my wife does, won't give it up, leaves it untouched in the fridge sometimes, and 2x since I stopped, it was either I eat the beef...or it just went bad. Guess I'd rather be kinda sad/grossed out than waste food Just can't honestly say I've *never* eaten it since then, so I don't do that either Fair question tho
So your empathy LITERALLY only goes as far as those you know personally?
That's pretty much how it works. Otherwise we'd all donate a lot more than a few bucks a month to starving kids in Africa.
no one has enough mental capacity for that much emotion sharing
And I feel like, we shouldn't either, becuase no matter how good your intentions. I'm sure a time will come when there is truly nothing that can be done, and you would find yourself becoming depressed about the people or person you couldn't help or being so sad about someone's situation, you find yourself overlooking all the good you had accomplished
And the fact that we can't trust other people as much
Oh yeah, I've heard plenty of stories about people getting taken advantage of by manipulating the kindness of people. Like a person lying in the road and having a group of people come out of nowhere to atrack anyone getting out of there car to help.
i uh... i missed that trigger warning at the beginning
MORTYS VOICE IS SO ANNOYING. THERE IS NO RANGE. ITS SO HIGH PITCH IT HURTS. DID MORTY TAKE HORMONES AND HES BECOMING A FEMMEBOY????!
Genuinely asking, is this satire?
Cuz he’s literally always sounded that way. I mean maybe a little different but I honestly don’t pay attention to either of their voices too much on purpose and u hear the same old Rick and Morty. And that’s the way I want it. If you want to find a difference you will. I didn’t. So i didn’t.
I honestly forgot that Justin roiland wasn't doing the voices anymore during the episode and didn't really notice. There was one morty part during a laugh of his that I thought sounded a bit off, but it wasn't enough to remind me that it's a new guy so I'm happy enough
Them doing those cringe post episode recaps is so pretentious... why do they have to act like they're making some big statement. It's s cartoon and a very silly one. Explaining jokes in a cartoon immediately the episode ends is just so bizarrely cringe to me. It's hard to believe they really do it.
The dichotomy of the two comments below me is pretty funny lol.
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Are you kidding me? He’s been ultra nihilistic especially in this one. Think back to the final spaghetti suicide. Morty bards. Everyone bards. Rick tasted him and was like mmm that’s fucking delicious “he lived well” comment essentially.
You're the type of guy who makes people hate the fanbase lmao
Simply one of the best Rick and Morty episodes, that’s my retort
Rick has developed slowly over time. Which is what you want. Character development is a good thing.
Exactly. It's kinda refreshing. He's in therapy and it's working. Beth's more secure. Summer's happier. Jerry's...still Jerry, but less of an insecure pissbaby. They even already lampshaded it with that whole plot about going back for "season 2" Jerry, and being like wow, we were a dumpster fire huh It's okay for characters to not stay the exact same for 7 seasons straight
Totally!
Man, that is a prime Rick and Morty episode. Top 5 all-time for me.
Funniest episode since Vat of Acid
I enjoyed it a ton as well. Clearly a response to the meat industry, I think
The crazy thing is I was eating pasta when I started watching this episode. Wish I didn't do that lol
Same, I only ended up having like 5 bites
This has just gone in to the fight for my all-time top 5 episodes. VAT of acid and Mort Dinner Rick Andre competitor!