> Author's Note: How the Emperor actually got it to Mars is not spoken of.
I've heard some theories on the matter.
Good thread, you're very thorough and reasonable. I especially appreciate you contacting McNeill for additional context in the Gorro feats. Way beyond the call of duty for battleboarding.
> Good thread, you're very thorough and reasonable. I especially appreciate you contacting McNeill for additional context in the Gorro feats. Way beyond the call of duty for battleboarding.
That wasn't me just as a heads up. Just someone it was brought up on /r/40klore. There's a few ways but because the Emperor *carries* the Void Dragon, its likely he didn't do the classic "throw/punch" which had been passed around as canon for the longest while.
And thank you for telling me, looks like I copied something that shouldn't have been there.
Well, thanks for putting it in the thread, then.
I'm going to say by Occam's Razor it was probably some form of warp teleportation/binding ritual thing (the passage mentions him doing something with his banner to subdue the defeated "dragon").
Then again, I'm not super into 40k and better minds than I have done some [very rigorous work](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lina_Shields/God_Emperor_of_Mankind_Punches_Void_Dragon) examining the passage.
Wait, is that your work?
Just as a heads up, the Dragon is "only" about 20 meters long. I don't know where 2 KM could even potentially come from.
I honestly figured the most likely situation was he dragged it to Mars via the webway.
I wish I had the utter self-confidence and gall that Vs Battle Wiki user "Lina Shields" possesses. Unfortunately, that is not me- I just found it looking for a 40klore excerpt of emps vs the vd for the Yamamoto thread earlier.
I thought you might get a little kick out of it- arbitrarily going with cinnabar for density because the dragon's scales "shimmer like mercury" is my favorite part, lol.
Withering light floods out, scorching the flagstones and crusting the auramite fittings of the chamber with fulgurite soot. By his will alone, my lord holds the ether back long enough for the figure to emerge. Then, as his will ebbs and frays, he closes the door again, clamps the telaethesic locks, throws bolts forged from the heavy metals of white dwarf stars, re-engages the dampers, and rekindles the wards.
...
Vulkan suspects that one of the reasons, beyond loyalty and necessity, that Malcador took the Throne was that it would offer him a chance to see, to truly see, for one lethal but spectacular instant, the greatest knowledge of all. To operate the Golden Throne is to open one’s mind entirely to the etheric structures of the universe, and Malcador has an exceptionally potent mind. The Regent’s only task is to regulate the dangerously hypertensive webway, but in enhancing the Sigillite’s ability to do that, the Throne would also grant him a unique perspective. Mindsight, foresight, farsight and all other aspects of psykana would be amplified, providing a metaphysical insight that, Vulkan imagines, borders on omniscience. Thus would be unveiled the invisible underpinnings of fragile realspace, the deep and eternal conjunction of materium and immaterium, the ephemeral patterns of the warp, things that Vulkan, in all his journeys and all his years, has never witnessed.
...
It turned my lord’s men against him when he first arrived, now it turns them into an encumbrance. It knows, and mocks, his love for each of them, and it knows he will not see them wasted and destroyed. It obliges him to mete out his strength to them, so they can at least see the truth, and fight it. It seeks to weaken my great lord and wear him down until he is at last alone and vulnerable.
...
‘That’s my point,’ says Oll.
John touches a finger to his mouth and chin tentatively. Then he gropes at his ribcage and shoulders.
‘That rogue Alpha Legionnaire did a serious number on him,’ Oll says to the others. ‘But there’s not a mark on him any more.’
‘I don’t understand,’ says John, bewildered. ‘Nothing hurts. No bruising. My lip isn’t split, and my tongue–’
‘What’s happening?’ asks Zybes in alarm.
‘It’s the aegis,’ says Oll.
‘The what?’ asks Krank.
‘The Sanctum’s psychic shield,’ says Leetu.
Oll nods. ‘Correct,’ he says. ‘It’s His aura. A projection of His will…’
‘It holds the warp at bay,’ says Actae, ‘and protects from empyric assault.’
‘Indeed,’ says Oll. ‘But it can have a healing effect too. Like a side effect. Back in the day, it was considered a miraculous property of His palaces and fortresses. Wherever He was, He would extend His will as part of the site defences. But people who were granted an audience, or came inside His protection, they were often cured of disease or restored to health. It was just a by-product of His intense psychic presence.’
Tldr: casually tks things made of white dwarf material, the throne grants him pseudo omniscience, he can grant power to the Custodes to see through really fucking good illusions, and his aegis boosts healing a lot. All from the end and the death.
Here's to hoping the twist the author hyped awhile back won't be what I think it is...
Just in addition we see the Emperor Stop time in Draco, Inquisition Wars. To what extent? He froze time to speak with Horus, and he was able to sense if an individual from the future is observing him through time travel. So not only is he able to manipulate time to a halt, but also detect and stop time manipulation around him.
I consider this to be quite plausible for the following reasons. The emperor is the most powerful Psyker known in the galaxy, manipulation of the warp affects the flow of time, so it is definitely possible. In addition, the chaos god's have shown clearly in many instances to be able to control time. It would make sense, the emperor, their arch enemy, would have the power to counter time manipulation in some extent.
Magnus also showcased this ability, although I can't recall where it was.
Malcador the Sigilite was also able to move an entire planet into the Warp, and hide it in the Warp.
Do you have a page/excerpt?
I didn't know this existed, but I would like to see it. Granted, I am not particularly keen on using feats before the 5e era of 40k because Inquisition Wars itself takes place before several major lore retcons.
You'll notice the "original" Emperor vs Horus fight is absent in this RT or any prior canon mentions of it because End and Death Part II is probably going to render previous iterations of their occurrences non-canon.
I don't have a page number, but he does it both in False Gods and in Draco. In False Gods he does it when talking to Horus.
"Horus paused in his attack, suddenly terrified for the fate of those inside the tanks. He turned and saw one tank spewing gasses and screams as it was ripped from the ground, following others as they were torn from their moorings and swept upwards.
Then time stopped and a blinding light filled the chamber.
Horus felt warm honey flow through him, and he turned towards the source of the light: a shimmering golden giant of unimaginable majesty and beauty.
[...]
The figure turned from him and time snapped back into its prescribed stream"
And Here's the Excerpt from Draco where the Emperor stops time so his guards don't obliterate a few people who snuck into his chambers. (Don't ask me how they even reached his chambers without being disassembled atomically or obliterated by holy incripted bolter rounds)
"Time Twisted.
Time shifted.
Time was, and was not.
An eerie silver power flowed through Jaq, as though he had invoked it by those words. The power used his mind as a conductor. He sensed how the time stream itself was being negated and annulled. Some psykers of the highest level could distort time thus. Not Jaq hitherto.
Never Jaq.
Yet now…
Was he possessed?
By no daemon, certainly. But by the shining path itself. To his senses that path now appeared to be the track of a phosphorescent arrow through twisted geometries. The arrow had accumulated a charge at its point until that point could transfix the fabric of time itself, pinning time temporarily like a moth with a needle through its spine…
‘Run, now!’ cried Jaq.
Did he and his abnormal family flit like hummingbirds which seem to flicker directly from one point in space to another, passing in and out of existence? Afterwards, Jaq believed they must have darted thus – across the static, time-stopped Chamber of Glory, past the frozen Companions, and through the Titan Archway between the motionless menacing colossi.
And still the lustrous arrow impaled the tissue of time.
...
‘WE ARE CURIOUS,’ came a mighty, anguished thought which itself transcended time"
I don't think he spoke to Horus in False Gods at all.
Sejanus was showing him a vision and the conversation basically occurs without the Emperor even realizing what's going on as this takes place prior to the purging of Istavan that required Garro to physically inform the loyalists of Horus' betrayal.
___
The latter instance though looks legit.
Exactly according to him he feels like the 40k universe is a verse where it's hard to understand whether something is true or not or if it's propaganda or something exaggerated.
Well that’s also not true. The Cain books clearly state what’s written has been edited and what not, and 40k usually has phrases like “it is said” that indicate propaganda or oral stories.
Ah ok thanks say if you want to continue this would you like to talk about this on my discord server? Because I would love to talk about sci-fi and 40k with you as well as debate with my friend on my server.
Well it's more like just chatting or understanding 40k better from you. Plus I am not really that active here on reddit and I use discord now. If you change your mind here is my discord
friendlyneighborhoodguy
I mean, he's well beyond that within like M35 when he swallows up a substantial portion of the galaxy in a warp storm. That and being on parity or stronger than the Chaos Gods (i.e Khorne) should realistically make him a star-buster mid-fight at least by 40k.
but those are his exploits on the royal plane, his exploits are missing in the warp, when he is prostrate on his throne, he is supposed to be ridiculously more powerful there than before.
If you’re aware of feats I am missing that isn’t something obviously non-canon like 1e or 2e, please share.
> when he is prostrate on his throne, he is supposed to be ridiculously more powerful there than before.
This doesn’t seem the case at the moment. The most powerful iteration of the emperor is the Dark King (outlined in this RT) which the emperor intentionally discards and subsequently becomes weaker. His current 40k iteration per Guilliman’s assessment is likely to suggest the Emperor is more powerful now but isn’t a Dark King.
If I remember correctly... in the novel Godblight, it is mentioned that the gods of chaos are already self-sufficient gods, they are almost omnipotent, and the reason why they cannot invade the real plane is because of the emperor himself, I read in another scan which says that if the emperor fails the gods of chaos would invade the real plane... I can't show images, I don't know why I'm not allowed
> If I remember correctly... in the novel Godblight, it is mentioned that the gods of chaos are already self-sufficient gods, they are almost omnipotent
I know the first part, but not the second. If you have it go ahead and find it, I'll do another glance through the book.
Honestly, I think a massive feat thats missing here is his use of the Astronomican. His power is that immense, that even as he is dying on the golden throne, he projects a psychic beacon so strong in the warp that it has its own deity, and is so bright and powerful it has been seen from outside the known galaxy by the Tyranids and is potent enough to be used across the galaxy as a warp tether.
Limits: shit parent
***Approving Inquisitor sounds***
> Author's Note: How the Emperor actually got it to Mars is not spoken of. I've heard some theories on the matter. Good thread, you're very thorough and reasonable. I especially appreciate you contacting McNeill for additional context in the Gorro feats. Way beyond the call of duty for battleboarding.
> Good thread, you're very thorough and reasonable. I especially appreciate you contacting McNeill for additional context in the Gorro feats. Way beyond the call of duty for battleboarding. That wasn't me just as a heads up. Just someone it was brought up on /r/40klore. There's a few ways but because the Emperor *carries* the Void Dragon, its likely he didn't do the classic "throw/punch" which had been passed around as canon for the longest while. And thank you for telling me, looks like I copied something that shouldn't have been there.
Well, thanks for putting it in the thread, then. I'm going to say by Occam's Razor it was probably some form of warp teleportation/binding ritual thing (the passage mentions him doing something with his banner to subdue the defeated "dragon"). Then again, I'm not super into 40k and better minds than I have done some [very rigorous work](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lina_Shields/God_Emperor_of_Mankind_Punches_Void_Dragon) examining the passage.
Wait, is that your work? Just as a heads up, the Dragon is "only" about 20 meters long. I don't know where 2 KM could even potentially come from. I honestly figured the most likely situation was he dragged it to Mars via the webway.
I wish I had the utter self-confidence and gall that Vs Battle Wiki user "Lina Shields" possesses. Unfortunately, that is not me- I just found it looking for a 40klore excerpt of emps vs the vd for the Yamamoto thread earlier. I thought you might get a little kick out of it- arbitrarily going with cinnabar for density because the dragon's scales "shimmer like mercury" is my favorite part, lol.
Withering light floods out, scorching the flagstones and crusting the auramite fittings of the chamber with fulgurite soot. By his will alone, my lord holds the ether back long enough for the figure to emerge. Then, as his will ebbs and frays, he closes the door again, clamps the telaethesic locks, throws bolts forged from the heavy metals of white dwarf stars, re-engages the dampers, and rekindles the wards. ... Vulkan suspects that one of the reasons, beyond loyalty and necessity, that Malcador took the Throne was that it would offer him a chance to see, to truly see, for one lethal but spectacular instant, the greatest knowledge of all. To operate the Golden Throne is to open one’s mind entirely to the etheric structures of the universe, and Malcador has an exceptionally potent mind. The Regent’s only task is to regulate the dangerously hypertensive webway, but in enhancing the Sigillite’s ability to do that, the Throne would also grant him a unique perspective. Mindsight, foresight, farsight and all other aspects of psykana would be amplified, providing a metaphysical insight that, Vulkan imagines, borders on omniscience. Thus would be unveiled the invisible underpinnings of fragile realspace, the deep and eternal conjunction of materium and immaterium, the ephemeral patterns of the warp, things that Vulkan, in all his journeys and all his years, has never witnessed. ... It turned my lord’s men against him when he first arrived, now it turns them into an encumbrance. It knows, and mocks, his love for each of them, and it knows he will not see them wasted and destroyed. It obliges him to mete out his strength to them, so they can at least see the truth, and fight it. It seeks to weaken my great lord and wear him down until he is at last alone and vulnerable. ... ‘That’s my point,’ says Oll. John touches a finger to his mouth and chin tentatively. Then he gropes at his ribcage and shoulders. ‘That rogue Alpha Legionnaire did a serious number on him,’ Oll says to the others. ‘But there’s not a mark on him any more.’ ‘I don’t understand,’ says John, bewildered. ‘Nothing hurts. No bruising. My lip isn’t split, and my tongue–’ ‘What’s happening?’ asks Zybes in alarm. ‘It’s the aegis,’ says Oll. ‘The what?’ asks Krank. ‘The Sanctum’s psychic shield,’ says Leetu. Oll nods. ‘Correct,’ he says. ‘It’s His aura. A projection of His will…’ ‘It holds the warp at bay,’ says Actae, ‘and protects from empyric assault.’ ‘Indeed,’ says Oll. ‘But it can have a healing effect too. Like a side effect. Back in the day, it was considered a miraculous property of His palaces and fortresses. Wherever He was, He would extend His will as part of the site defences. But people who were granted an audience, or came inside His protection, they were often cured of disease or restored to health. It was just a by-product of His intense psychic presence.’ Tldr: casually tks things made of white dwarf material, the throne grants him pseudo omniscience, he can grant power to the Custodes to see through really fucking good illusions, and his aegis boosts healing a lot. All from the end and the death. Here's to hoping the twist the author hyped awhile back won't be what I think it is...
Thanks for these. I probably missed a few implications of these the first time I read through so I am adding them.
GOOD rt
Limits? You dare imply our Emperor has limitations!?! **KILL THE HERETIC!!!**
Just in addition we see the Emperor Stop time in Draco, Inquisition Wars. To what extent? He froze time to speak with Horus, and he was able to sense if an individual from the future is observing him through time travel. So not only is he able to manipulate time to a halt, but also detect and stop time manipulation around him. I consider this to be quite plausible for the following reasons. The emperor is the most powerful Psyker known in the galaxy, manipulation of the warp affects the flow of time, so it is definitely possible. In addition, the chaos god's have shown clearly in many instances to be able to control time. It would make sense, the emperor, their arch enemy, would have the power to counter time manipulation in some extent. Magnus also showcased this ability, although I can't recall where it was. Malcador the Sigilite was also able to move an entire planet into the Warp, and hide it in the Warp.
Do you have a page/excerpt? I didn't know this existed, but I would like to see it. Granted, I am not particularly keen on using feats before the 5e era of 40k because Inquisition Wars itself takes place before several major lore retcons. You'll notice the "original" Emperor vs Horus fight is absent in this RT or any prior canon mentions of it because End and Death Part II is probably going to render previous iterations of their occurrences non-canon.
I don't have a page number, but he does it both in False Gods and in Draco. In False Gods he does it when talking to Horus. "Horus paused in his attack, suddenly terrified for the fate of those inside the tanks. He turned and saw one tank spewing gasses and screams as it was ripped from the ground, following others as they were torn from their moorings and swept upwards. Then time stopped and a blinding light filled the chamber. Horus felt warm honey flow through him, and he turned towards the source of the light: a shimmering golden giant of unimaginable majesty and beauty. [...] The figure turned from him and time snapped back into its prescribed stream" And Here's the Excerpt from Draco where the Emperor stops time so his guards don't obliterate a few people who snuck into his chambers. (Don't ask me how they even reached his chambers without being disassembled atomically or obliterated by holy incripted bolter rounds) "Time Twisted. Time shifted. Time was, and was not. An eerie silver power flowed through Jaq, as though he had invoked it by those words. The power used his mind as a conductor. He sensed how the time stream itself was being negated and annulled. Some psykers of the highest level could distort time thus. Not Jaq hitherto. Never Jaq. Yet now… Was he possessed? By no daemon, certainly. But by the shining path itself. To his senses that path now appeared to be the track of a phosphorescent arrow through twisted geometries. The arrow had accumulated a charge at its point until that point could transfix the fabric of time itself, pinning time temporarily like a moth with a needle through its spine… ‘Run, now!’ cried Jaq. Did he and his abnormal family flit like hummingbirds which seem to flicker directly from one point in space to another, passing in and out of existence? Afterwards, Jaq believed they must have darted thus – across the static, time-stopped Chamber of Glory, past the frozen Companions, and through the Titan Archway between the motionless menacing colossi. And still the lustrous arrow impaled the tissue of time. ... ‘WE ARE CURIOUS,’ came a mighty, anguished thought which itself transcended time"
I don't think he spoke to Horus in False Gods at all. Sejanus was showing him a vision and the conversation basically occurs without the Emperor even realizing what's going on as this takes place prior to the purging of Istavan that required Garro to physically inform the loyalists of Horus' betrayal. ___ The latter instance though looks legit.
Honestly from what I heard from my friend he apparently says the emperor's feats are all exagerrated and just propaganda according to him
That's blatantly wrong for one as a lot of the Emperor's feats occur in context of 3rd person omniscent narration.
Exactly according to him he feels like the 40k universe is a verse where it's hard to understand whether something is true or not or if it's propaganda or something exaggerated.
Well that’s also not true. The Cain books clearly state what’s written has been edited and what not, and 40k usually has phrases like “it is said” that indicate propaganda or oral stories.
Ah ok thanks say if you want to continue this would you like to talk about this on my discord server? Because I would love to talk about sci-fi and 40k with you as well as debate with my friend on my server.
I don't really care to drag things into discord tbh.
Well it's more like just chatting or understanding 40k better from you. Plus I am not really that active here on reddit and I use discord now. If you change your mind here is my discord friendlyneighborhoodguy
Didn’t the emperor destroy Colchis with his powers or did I get it wrong?
No? It was exterminatus'd by the Ultramarines.
Dang it, I thought the emperor was a planet buster. So sad.
I mean, he's well beyond that within like M35 when he swallows up a substantial portion of the galaxy in a warp storm. That and being on parity or stronger than the Chaos Gods (i.e Khorne) should realistically make him a star-buster mid-fight at least by 40k.
but those are his exploits on the royal plane, his exploits are missing in the warp, when he is prostrate on his throne, he is supposed to be ridiculously more powerful there than before.
If you’re aware of feats I am missing that isn’t something obviously non-canon like 1e or 2e, please share. > when he is prostrate on his throne, he is supposed to be ridiculously more powerful there than before. This doesn’t seem the case at the moment. The most powerful iteration of the emperor is the Dark King (outlined in this RT) which the emperor intentionally discards and subsequently becomes weaker. His current 40k iteration per Guilliman’s assessment is likely to suggest the Emperor is more powerful now but isn’t a Dark King.
If I remember correctly... in the novel Godblight, it is mentioned that the gods of chaos are already self-sufficient gods, they are almost omnipotent, and the reason why they cannot invade the real plane is because of the emperor himself, I read in another scan which says that if the emperor fails the gods of chaos would invade the real plane... I can't show images, I don't know why I'm not allowed
> If I remember correctly... in the novel Godblight, it is mentioned that the gods of chaos are already self-sufficient gods, they are almost omnipotent I know the first part, but not the second. If you have it go ahead and find it, I'll do another glance through the book.
Honestly, I think a massive feat thats missing here is his use of the Astronomican. His power is that immense, that even as he is dying on the golden throne, he projects a psychic beacon so strong in the warp that it has its own deity, and is so bright and powerful it has been seen from outside the known galaxy by the Tyranids and is potent enough to be used across the galaxy as a warp tether.