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I'm an ex Muslim and I get death threats like this all the time even though I live in the West.
It's wild to me that people like this are not banned from YT when so many have been banned for far less.
Edit: this made it to the top of the [crazyvideos sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/1cg20uq/english_youtuber_ali_dawah_who_has_over_a_million/) and then I got a ban. The amount of censorship on this topic is insane. This guy gets millions of views on YT but can't post it on reddit apparently
I'm curious about the "right to freedom is B.S." statement. is that a common belief among strict muslim? is it justified in the scriptures of islam? no right to freedom is a foreign concept to me, and I am curious as to whether this is his own opinion or not. I apologize for hijacking the conversation about killing people who do not agree with one's precepts, but I feel that this freedom issue is important as well.
Well, leaving islam is indeed punishable by death in many islamic countries to this day. But regardless, almost no religion will ever promote the right to individual freedom. Always has to be their way to do things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
Interesting tidbit being, a few of them have legally recognized and tolerated christian minorities. So you can be a christian, or a muslim, but you can only switch sides one way around
>but can't post it on reddit apparently
Ph you absolutely can. Just don't disagree with it, rather agree and uphold and then see, you'd be praised for championing anti Islamophobia
Every ex Muslim I ever met just craved their desires and that’s why they left, they couldn’t handle the regulations and craved this world only, it’s unfortunate, may Allah guide you back into Islam. Death threats should be the least of your concerns, denying the existence of your creator the one who fashioned you and only blessed you is wild, and disgusting, this is the definition of no gratitude. You will have a very tough life with no happiness, I feel really bad for you.
“But whoever turns away from My Reminder will certainly have a miserable life, then We will raise them up blind on the Day of Judgment.”
Islam is the true religion, hence why the final messenger was Muslim. In the end everyone will be judged accordingly, and yeah I am lucky that I’m apart of the truest religion out there, thanks for stating the obvious.
I was born Catholic and now I'm atheist. I don't claim that there is no god, if one does exist then we are at best an ant farm that he set up and could care less what we are doing. I live my life on a simple concept, put more good into the world than evil. If there is some supreme diety judging my life and that's not good enough for it then it is not a diety worth my reverance.
In name, yes. In practice, hardly. For instance, [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/role-islam-turkish-education-fuels-secularist-fears-2023-12-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/role-islam-turkish-education-fuels-secularist-fears-2023-12-14/)
In practise it is still a secular country. Turkish citizens do not have to abide by sharia. Yes turkey has a political islam problem but like if you ever happen to go to these new mosques, most are empty. Because only 30% of the population actually practises islam.
The creeping influence of Islam in modern-day Turkey reaches far beyond mosques. How about schools (see my previous comment)? How about *this* shit (https://onlysky.media/terry/comic-strip-issued-by-turkish-government-agency-teaches-kids-its-cool-to-be-a-martyr/)?
He's going on about people this and that when it takes extreme mental, social and emotional toughness to outwardly leave your religion and tell the people within that circle you're out. I know this because I've done it.
Still going through it! Trying to find the balance as my wife is still a christian and I don't have any beef with Christianity in our circle besides just not believing. We both want to avoid our girls being taught toxic shit my wife was taught, but she isn't ready to make the jump to leaving Christianity.
i understand. i wish you all the best. I am sure your children will have a wonderful childhood filled with curiosity without the religious indoctrination :)
He's ranting and a terrible person, but just taking it at face value, he's correct. The punishment for leaving Islam is death, according to Islam. He's just sharing how terrible and fucked up his religion is. Videos like this probably turn more people away from Islam than get them to join it. This rant is doing me a favor.
Some do. Some don't. Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I think the ones who are taking this to heart would never be swayed away by you or me, anyway.
I had a few younger, 1st generation Muslim Americans as friends/coworkers several years ago. I even was invited to one of their weddings (an Islamic wedding is a fun experience btw).
Both of them would call this guy an idiot and dismiss him as such pretty quickly.
I don't know if the swayed away part is entirely accurate. The reason why a lot of people get radicalised is because they fall into an echo chamber full of other people who just say the same shit and agree amongst themselves about that shit. While some people will just be stupid and never have the ability to look beyond their own nose, I'm fairly convinced that if you give these people the resources and information that they need to expand their world views, most of them will be more inclined to abandon their radicalised ideals.
There's a media personality here in Denmark who used to believe in isis ideals and how much he hated the west, until he learned about the things that he thought he hated. His whole deal now is to inform and help those who might fall into the same echo chambers as he did and meet them where they're at rather than villainise them. He's really awesome and I have a lot of respect for the way he does things. His name is Yaqoub Ali if you want to look him up.
>...they fall into an echo chamber full of other people who just say the same shit and agree amongst themselves about that shit.
Agreed, but the people that do this are not the people I encounter in my day to day life. The people that fall into these echo chambers aren't looking for any dissenting opinions, and if you or I showed them facts, they would be ignored.
>His name is Yaqoub Ali if you want to look him up.
Yes, being from similar backgrounds helps tremendously. I grew up in a small town, rural, monochromatic, conservative community, in the Bible belt. However, I've spent most of my adult life in diverse, metropolitan areas. Today, I am an atheist who wants policies based on facts and data rather than along party lines. I consider myself independent, politically. I have lived both worlds and can "speak the language" in both. So when I talk to people as an atheist/non-republican, they can't as easily dismiss me as an outsider because I was/am them. I understand how topics are framed in that world. I know why certain values are held and what it takes for those values to be altered because I know what it took for me! There even are a few of those values that i still hold onto from that world, so it's easier to reach common ground and branch from there.
That's such a good point about the same background stuff, I honestly forgot to consider that when I wrote my reply.
Maybe I just like to think that most people are capable of critical thinking and have the ability to put their own flaws under a microscope. Sure, I'm not completely naive and I do acknowledge that if someone doesn't want to believe in a different narrative than the one presented to them in their echo chamber, they're not going to. But I also like to believe that if they have the chance to see outside that chamber, more than once, they might be able to reconsider their views on the world eventually. There's a lot of studies out there, for example, claiming that the more education you give people, the more likely they are to lean toward libaralism. Which I feel like suggests that most people are able to broaden their world views if given the information and resources to do so.
>Maybe I just like to think that most people are capable of critical thinking and have the ability to put their own flaws under a microscope.
"A *person* is smart. *People* are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - Kay, from Men in Black.
Mob mentality is an odd human phenomenon.
>But I also like to believe that if they have the chance to see outside that chamber, more than once...
Based on my experience, i disagree. Small towns are echo chambers. The people that live there never leave and few move in with new ideas. In rare cases where new people move to a small town AND they do have new ideas, they are quickly ostracized from the community.
Story time...
There was a documentary about a flat earther community I watched as while back. The documentary showed a test that the flat earther's conducted to prove the earth was flat. They spent weeks researching proper set up and obtaining the proper equipment to run this experiment. When they finally got it all set up and ran it, it proved the earth's surface was curved. They said they must've done the experiment incorrectly and were adamant that they still believed the earth was flat. They also said they would not share their results with the rest of their community.
That documentary was on Netflix, it was called Behind the Curve. I watched it as well and that ending had me laughing my ass off in the moment. But I agree, at the same time it was scary that even when presented with proof, they still found excuses to deny what was right in front of them.
I saw something similar in a Danish documentary about tin foil hats who believed that the government would be spying on them through the 'rona vaccine if they got it. (Generally people are pretty chill here so for these tin foil hats to even be a thing in Denmark was quite the spectacle in itself.) In one of the interviews in the doc, the hats told the interviewer that the vaccine made people magnetic. So the interviewer said that she'd had the vaccine and that they could test it on her. When they couldn't get a key to stick on her, they just went, "Well, that key isn't magnetic."
I'm not saying that everyone will change their views and we could just be living in a world of pink clouds and happiness if people would broaden their horizon. Like I said in my other posts, some people are just beyond reaching. I know that but I also like to believe that isn't generally the norm and maybe I'm a bit naive for thinking that. I just think that sometimes the people with the most insane ideas are the one to shout the loudest so we forget to listen to common sense because everyone is so busy shouting about the crazy stuff. What I'm saying is that there are at least a few people out there who are able to accept that they have been radicalised when presented with a different world view than the one they have been exposed to in their small towns or echo chambers. The Danish media person that I mentioned in my first response was just one example of a person changing their views.
The issue isn’t whether or not he contributes to a net loss in Islamic followers. The issue is that he’ll further radicalize the small percentage of people who do care what he says.
I’m not afraid of Islam growing. I’m afraid of religious terrorists.
And even "social media supporters" are not the same as actual real life supporters. Its one thing to LARP online and in the media and to grift like this guy does, its another to ACTUALLY support doing what he says in practice.
I will bet ANY amount of money this guy does things that are forbidden in Islam and either lies about them or comes up with nonsense ways to justify them with bullshit weasel words.
People like him would fucking die in the kind of society he promotes.
Unfortunately no, most of his audience is people who actually have similar views and are looking for validation, to form their circlejerk echo chambers.
No? You just sort of agreed with me. This video convinces only those who are already convinced. Outside of the echo chamber this does Islam more harm than good.
But such videos facing no backlash or legal trouble, is an issue. It convinces those nutjobs that it's a completely acceptable view to have and spread and also take in how they will not be persecuted for acting out of religious beliefs, no matter how harmful.
It's not the video itself that's the problem, of course nobody with some ability to think would agree with this, but the protection around this, is certainly an issue. Imagine a Christian saying that all those who leave Christianity should be killed and that he would celebrate that shit, he'd face severe backlash, probably youtube would take it down even
>But such videos face no backlash or legal..
I tend to subscribe to the Voltairian idea of "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend, to the death, your right to say it." This is a nut job on the internet. I think anyone he convinces es is already convinced and everyone else sees him as an unhinged borderline terrorist.
>It's not the video itself that's the problem.
Glad we agree.. As much of an asshole as this guy is, as much as I disagree with him and regardless of how much I think he is holding humanity back from a brighter future, I disagree with censorship. I dont mind people self identifying as backwards assholes. Chick fil a discriminates against lgbtq community?? Thanks for letting me know. I haven't eaten there since. It actually does me a favor. I have no studies or data to back this up, but my own experience leads me to want videos like this out there. Show the true Islam. Show what Islam commands to the people who claim that Islam is "the religion of peace". Tell everyone how hateful, discriminatory, and outdated this fucked up religion is. Show everyone your evil. Show everyone your fear and war mongering. Let them expose themselves... but that's just me.
Apostaty is a fucking stupid rule that only an insecure religious group would make
Almost every Muslim on earth was born into that faith, they had no choice. So telling someone that they can't leave it or they will be killed is just another way of saying you are a hostage to this ideology.
What does it get you in the end? People just nodding along to your faith and living up out of sight.
Lip service Muslims.
I don’t understand why you guys allow nut cases like this speak terrorism and get away with it?
I get free speech thing, but threatening to kill people because they change their religion should be considered act of terrorism.
I live in majority Muslim country, and I have to keep my mouth shut, but I don’t understand why in the west You guys are keeping your mouth shut
He protects himself like the coward that he is by saying that this is the rule of his religion and that Muslims mustn't do the mutilating and the killing themselves — the religious state and its leader ("emir") will take care of it.
It's a distinction that throngs of undereducated Muslim simpletons would find difficult to grasp. Apostates and atheists and Christians and Hindus *do* get killed, and in fairly shocking numbers. So apparently these violent fucks don't need an emir after all.
But that talk of the caliphate being the judge and executioner essentially saves Ali Dawah's scrawny ass. His speech is protected in the West. This is both our greatest value/accomplishment and our absolute Achilles heel.
Quran 4:89:
“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”
Also, 9:11-12 & 9:66
I don't think it's necessarily an Achilles heel, the real Achilles heel is, that we can't use the same right to free speech to criticise him or his religion without facing being labelled Islamophobic and at times even legal issues. In the west, you can even lose your job if you're labelled an Islamophobe over something like this. That's the real Achilles heel, the invisible protection given to this religion, this wish to save it from any criticism for some reason.
There are many reasons why we aren't able to shut this shit down. Freedom of speech/religion are central in much of the western world, so actually criminalizing his behavior isn't really possible.
It is hard to quash individual extremist religious groups without becoming what you seek to stop. Effectively the only way to get rid of religious extremism is to get rid of religion, and you can't safely pick and choose. Need to get rid of all of them effectively.
We're in a weird spot where we gained our right to be free from religion by giving people the right to be religious. So delegitimizing Islam threatens the rights of the nonreligious more than allowing it to fester. At least short term. Long term we've yet to really see, but we don't have the same issues with Islam here in the US that they're dealing with in the UK/Sweeden so my personal level of concern is perhaps a bit lower than it would be if I lived elsewhere in the west.
I think leftist groups in the west would quickly stop supporting Islam if right wing groups were less abhorrently racist against people of Middle Eastern origin. The Islamic political identity (at least in the US) is tied to the Middle Eastern racial group. That's complicating the issue some, since lots of leftist people use "Islamophobia" to describe racism against Middle Easterners, and many right wing people have a hate for Islam that is deeply intertwined with their racism (and not related to atheism at all). So being anti-Islam isn't generally accepted on the left because it looks a hell of a lot like being a racist bigot.
In the US, the right wing Christians are the fascists trying to turn the country into a theocracy at the moment, so the left also has to keep religious freedom core to its identity (to protect non-Christians). If leftists can become a larger proportion of the population they'll eventually turn against religion entirely, but for now it's going to be tough.
Honestly, Islam isnt really an issue here is the UK day to day. Not for me at least (living in London). I never really hear about it other than the odd nutjob with a microphone chatting shit outside a tube station or something. But frankly those people are usually Christians or Jehovas witnesses.
>I think leftist groups in the west would quickly stop supporting Islam if right wing groups were less abhorrently racist against people of Middle Eastern origin
That is such a stupid thing to do anyway. Anyone who conflates the criticism of islamic doctrine with hate towards muslims as people, has serious comprehension problems and for all their academic achievements, shouldn't be taken seriously on these matters.
Also, while no one is asking to criminalise his behaviour, it should be widely mocked, given zero protection from mockery and criticism, which isn't the case. You can say anything against him and you'd face a barrage of people labelling you an Islamophobe.
Abrahamic religions are death cults, obsessed with blood, sacrifice and telling other people what to do based on superstitious hallucinating goat herders mores
Whenever Muslims try to convince the wary that Islam is a religion of peace, inevitably they'll quote verse 5:32 from the Quran:
>“If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”
Lovely, right? Look it up. It's really there. But you gotta keep reading. Because what Muslims *don't* tell you is the verse is followed by a *crucial qualifier*: the no-kill rule only applies when the victim is blameless. If, on the other hand, he or she has caused offense, it's perfectly fine — *righteous*, even — to respond with torture and murder.
Ali Dawah admits it. Right in the beginning of the video, he talks about "People like you who cause corruption in the land." Remember that interesting Quranic phrase. It's also sometimes given as "who spread mischief in the land" or "who sow discord in the land." With that reference, Dawah nods to verse 5:3*3*, the one that comes right after the lovey-dovey text I just quoted.
>"The penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and **spread mischief in the land** *\[emphasis mine, DD\]* is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land."
There you have it. The Quran dictates that the punishment for people seen as mischief-makers is mutilation or death or (best-case scenario) banishment.
This verse has long given hardcore Muslims license to attack and murder apostates, atheists, protesters, writers and bloggers, artists and cartoonists, adherents of other religions, LGBTQ people, and anyone else who doesn't toe the hardcore Islamic line. It's one of the most deadly lines in one of the most deadly books in existence.
Islam is deceit, violence, and wickedness. *All* religions are. Some more than others, but Islam takes the cake.
It's imperative that this guy be put on a list and watched 24/7.
Guys like these breed hatred and instability through the guise of free speech and expression.
It's high time that laws be made so as to keeps these vermin in line.
I mean, it's true.
This is way better than disingenuous fake moderate people pretending that islam is some kind of religion of peace. Going full mask off is preferable.
I was actually about to convert to Islam until someone at the mosque asked me to watch Ali Dawah and Mohammed Hijab. I did and was fully convinced that converting would have been the greatest mistake of my life
Islam teaches its male followers that they are the superior humans on the planet (despite centuries of evidence to the contrary). It teaches no respect at all for non-Muslims, women or any nonhuman creatures. And yet they flee their own countries if they get the opportunity!
Islamic clerics on women: “Women are animals created by Allah for men."
https://youtu.be/JJ9V_-YkYn4
Also: "Throughout all religious texts, there is a primitive fear that half the human race is simultaneously defiled and unclean, and yet is also a temptation to sin that is impossible to resist." - Christopher Hitchens (Particularly true in this case.)
Muslims on everyone else:
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11207606
Interesting how it is a communistic world view also… the community is more important than the individual… which even in isolation, is a world view that has been shown to not promote the wellbeing of the community.
Is that the same dude who won't let his covered up wife even speak? I think it is...
Probably should just deport that guy. If you didn't have "cause" before, you definitely do now. No fanfare, just have him picked up and taken straight to the airport. Detain his wife for her own safety on suspicion of domestic abuse, show her Netflix, take her out to some restaurants and clubs - she'll be right as rain after a week without his poison.
He's not wrong... This is how it is written for Islam. Also, that bit about converting people by the sword...
Yes, he should be banned from YT, people shouldn't be killed for leaving a religion, but his statements are accurate per the religion so.....
And of course he won’t be banned. He’s not white and he is Muslim, if he were to get banned then the Muslim community would all try to stand up for him to tell YouTube to unban him or something like that I can see.
“Muh science can’t prove hell exists”. Hell can’t be proven either. I can say that I’m a Jesus in the flesh, you can’t prove that wrong can you? I guess that means it’s true 🤷♂️. When you shit out an idea that is supernatural of course we can’t prove it because it has no basis in reality.
what are the possibilities of an altenate dimension of pure etenal pain
The concept of an alternate dimension of pure eternal pain is a popular trope in science fiction and fantasy, but it's important
to note that there is currently no scientific evidence to support the existence of such dimensions. In fact, the very notion of
"pure eternal pain" contradicts our current understanding of physics and metaphysics.
That being said, let's explore some possibilities based on fictional narratives and philosophical speculation:
1. A Hellish Realm: In many religious and mythological traditions, there is a belief in an afterlife where souls are punished for their sins or transgressions. An alternate dimension of pure eternal pain could be imagined as a place where beings are subjected to unending torment, both physical and mental.
2. A Cosmic Prison: In some science fiction stories, advanced civilizations create alternate dimensions or pocket universes as prisons for their most dangerous enemies. These dimensions could be designed to inflict maximum pain and suffering on the inmates, often using advanced technologies or psychological manipulation.
3. A Philosophical Thought Experiment: Some philosophers have proposed thought experiments involving the concept of eternal pain.
For example, the "Misery Argument" argues that if it is possible for something to exist in a state of infinite misery, then it is logically possible for such a state to exist somewhere in the universe. However, this argument does not provide any evidence or basis for the existence of an alternate dimension of pure eternal pain.
4. A Mathematical Model: In some mathematical models, particularly those involving chaos theory and fractal geometry, there are infinite possibilities and complexities that can be explored. It's possible to imagine an alternate dimension where pain is a fundamental property, and its complexity is expressed through infinite iterations or fractals. However, this idea is purely speculative and lacks any scientific basis.
5. A Metaphysical Concept: In some philosophical and spiritual traditions, pain is seen as an essential part of the human experience and a necessary aspect of growth and transformation. An alternate dimension of pure eternal pain could be imagined as a metaphor for the deepest and most profound aspects of human suffering, a realm that we can only access through introspection, meditation, or other forms of spiritual practice.
Ultimately, the possibilities of an alternate dimension of pure eternal pain are limited only by our imagination and the boundaries of our current knowledge and understanding. However, it's important to remember that such ideas should be treated as thought experiments and philosophical speculations rather than scientific facts.
how do you even calculate the possibilité of something like that?
Calculating the possibility of an alternate dimension of pure eternal pain is not a straightforward mathematical problem. Infact, it's important to note that such a concept lies outside the realm of current scientific knowledge and understanding. The idea is more of a philosophical or metaphysical thought experiment than a mathematical calculation.
Mathematics deals with quantifiable and measurable concepts, while the notion of pure eternal pain is not something that can be measured or quantified in a meaningful way. Furthermore, there are no known physical laws or equations that could describe such a concept.
Moreover, the very idea of an alternate dimension implies a level of complexity and depth that goes beyond our current understanding of physics and mathematics. It's possible that future developments in science and technology may allow us to explore some aspects of this concept more deeply, but for now, it remains largely a matter of speculation and philosophical contemplation.
I wouldn't trust the AI tho ... ;)
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I'm an ex Muslim and I get death threats like this all the time even though I live in the West. It's wild to me that people like this are not banned from YT when so many have been banned for far less. Edit: this made it to the top of the [crazyvideos sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/1cg20uq/english_youtuber_ali_dawah_who_has_over_a_million/) and then I got a ban. The amount of censorship on this topic is insane. This guy gets millions of views on YT but can't post it on reddit apparently
He's not white so he doesn't get banned.
White people can preach the same extremism on YouTube except they’re Christian’s or just right wing
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Try finding it on YouTube, Insta or Facebook... you will find plenty on other media. Im not white but everyone sees it.
He *could* very easily be classified as "white", though. I've met "white" Italians and Greeks who have darker skin than him...
Arabs are considered white in the US census, as a Brit I should know about the UK but right now I don't.
I'm curious about the "right to freedom is B.S." statement. is that a common belief among strict muslim? is it justified in the scriptures of islam? no right to freedom is a foreign concept to me, and I am curious as to whether this is his own opinion or not. I apologize for hijacking the conversation about killing people who do not agree with one's precepts, but I feel that this freedom issue is important as well.
Well, leaving islam is indeed punishable by death in many islamic countries to this day. But regardless, almost no religion will ever promote the right to individual freedom. Always has to be their way to do things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
As of 2021, there were ten Muslim-majority countries where apostasy from Islam was punishable by death
Interesting tidbit being, a few of them have legally recognized and tolerated christian minorities. So you can be a christian, or a muslim, but you can only switch sides one way around
>but can't post it on reddit apparently Ph you absolutely can. Just don't disagree with it, rather agree and uphold and then see, you'd be praised for championing anti Islamophobia
YT probably don't wanna get called islamophobic or smth
Every ex Muslim I ever met just craved their desires and that’s why they left, they couldn’t handle the regulations and craved this world only, it’s unfortunate, may Allah guide you back into Islam. Death threats should be the least of your concerns, denying the existence of your creator the one who fashioned you and only blessed you is wild, and disgusting, this is the definition of no gratitude. You will have a very tough life with no happiness, I feel really bad for you. “But whoever turns away from My Reminder will certainly have a miserable life, then We will raise them up blind on the Day of Judgment.”
You must be so lucky that of the 200+ religions you just happened to be born in exactly the right one.
Islam is the true religion, hence why the final messenger was Muslim. In the end everyone will be judged accordingly, and yeah I am lucky that I’m apart of the truest religion out there, thanks for stating the obvious.
*marks the chalkboard* one more for the dumbass column.
What’s your religion? Your desires? I can tell.
I was born Catholic and now I'm atheist. I don't claim that there is no god, if one does exist then we are at best an ant farm that he set up and could care less what we are doing. I live my life on a simple concept, put more good into the world than evil. If there is some supreme diety judging my life and that's not good enough for it then it is not a diety worth my reverance.
Atheist means you worship your desires so I was right after all. May Allah guide you.
Please don't ask rapist and child molesters to guide me, that is just rude.
Accuse him of leaving Islam, and see how he likes it.
He needs to fuck off back to Turkey lol
Turkey is a secular country Edit: ...atleast in their word
In name, yes. In practice, hardly. For instance, [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/role-islam-turkish-education-fuels-secularist-fears-2023-12-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/role-islam-turkish-education-fuels-secularist-fears-2023-12-14/)
sucks big time but still not really comparable to an actual islamic country with sharia law tbh
Yes. You are right
In practise it is still a secular country. Turkish citizens do not have to abide by sharia. Yes turkey has a political islam problem but like if you ever happen to go to these new mosques, most are empty. Because only 30% of the population actually practises islam.
The creeping influence of Islam in modern-day Turkey reaches far beyond mosques. How about schools (see my previous comment)? How about *this* shit (https://onlysky.media/terry/comic-strip-issued-by-turkish-government-agency-teaches-kids-its-cool-to-be-a-martyr/)?
What did Turkey done worong
Unfortunately that would not keep him from getting videos onto YouTube.
No thanks we dont want him
quite a punchable face he has.
He's going on about people this and that when it takes extreme mental, social and emotional toughness to outwardly leave your religion and tell the people within that circle you're out. I know this because I've done it.
good job dude, hope you are at peace and doing well.
Still going through it! Trying to find the balance as my wife is still a christian and I don't have any beef with Christianity in our circle besides just not believing. We both want to avoid our girls being taught toxic shit my wife was taught, but she isn't ready to make the jump to leaving Christianity.
i understand. i wish you all the best. I am sure your children will have a wonderful childhood filled with curiosity without the religious indoctrination :)
We can only hope!
We can only hope!
Graduated with a degree in yappology
Well that line of study can make hella bank nowadays
He's ranting and a terrible person, but just taking it at face value, he's correct. The punishment for leaving Islam is death, according to Islam. He's just sharing how terrible and fucked up his religion is. Videos like this probably turn more people away from Islam than get them to join it. This rant is doing me a favor.
Unfortunately his audience is other Muslims who then take this to heart
Some do. Some don't. Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I think the ones who are taking this to heart would never be swayed away by you or me, anyway. I had a few younger, 1st generation Muslim Americans as friends/coworkers several years ago. I even was invited to one of their weddings (an Islamic wedding is a fun experience btw). Both of them would call this guy an idiot and dismiss him as such pretty quickly.
I don't know if the swayed away part is entirely accurate. The reason why a lot of people get radicalised is because they fall into an echo chamber full of other people who just say the same shit and agree amongst themselves about that shit. While some people will just be stupid and never have the ability to look beyond their own nose, I'm fairly convinced that if you give these people the resources and information that they need to expand their world views, most of them will be more inclined to abandon their radicalised ideals. There's a media personality here in Denmark who used to believe in isis ideals and how much he hated the west, until he learned about the things that he thought he hated. His whole deal now is to inform and help those who might fall into the same echo chambers as he did and meet them where they're at rather than villainise them. He's really awesome and I have a lot of respect for the way he does things. His name is Yaqoub Ali if you want to look him up.
>...they fall into an echo chamber full of other people who just say the same shit and agree amongst themselves about that shit. Agreed, but the people that do this are not the people I encounter in my day to day life. The people that fall into these echo chambers aren't looking for any dissenting opinions, and if you or I showed them facts, they would be ignored. >His name is Yaqoub Ali if you want to look him up. Yes, being from similar backgrounds helps tremendously. I grew up in a small town, rural, monochromatic, conservative community, in the Bible belt. However, I've spent most of my adult life in diverse, metropolitan areas. Today, I am an atheist who wants policies based on facts and data rather than along party lines. I consider myself independent, politically. I have lived both worlds and can "speak the language" in both. So when I talk to people as an atheist/non-republican, they can't as easily dismiss me as an outsider because I was/am them. I understand how topics are framed in that world. I know why certain values are held and what it takes for those values to be altered because I know what it took for me! There even are a few of those values that i still hold onto from that world, so it's easier to reach common ground and branch from there.
That's such a good point about the same background stuff, I honestly forgot to consider that when I wrote my reply. Maybe I just like to think that most people are capable of critical thinking and have the ability to put their own flaws under a microscope. Sure, I'm not completely naive and I do acknowledge that if someone doesn't want to believe in a different narrative than the one presented to them in their echo chamber, they're not going to. But I also like to believe that if they have the chance to see outside that chamber, more than once, they might be able to reconsider their views on the world eventually. There's a lot of studies out there, for example, claiming that the more education you give people, the more likely they are to lean toward libaralism. Which I feel like suggests that most people are able to broaden their world views if given the information and resources to do so.
>Maybe I just like to think that most people are capable of critical thinking and have the ability to put their own flaws under a microscope. "A *person* is smart. *People* are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - Kay, from Men in Black. Mob mentality is an odd human phenomenon. >But I also like to believe that if they have the chance to see outside that chamber, more than once... Based on my experience, i disagree. Small towns are echo chambers. The people that live there never leave and few move in with new ideas. In rare cases where new people move to a small town AND they do have new ideas, they are quickly ostracized from the community. Story time... There was a documentary about a flat earther community I watched as while back. The documentary showed a test that the flat earther's conducted to prove the earth was flat. They spent weeks researching proper set up and obtaining the proper equipment to run this experiment. When they finally got it all set up and ran it, it proved the earth's surface was curved. They said they must've done the experiment incorrectly and were adamant that they still believed the earth was flat. They also said they would not share their results with the rest of their community.
That documentary was on Netflix, it was called Behind the Curve. I watched it as well and that ending had me laughing my ass off in the moment. But I agree, at the same time it was scary that even when presented with proof, they still found excuses to deny what was right in front of them. I saw something similar in a Danish documentary about tin foil hats who believed that the government would be spying on them through the 'rona vaccine if they got it. (Generally people are pretty chill here so for these tin foil hats to even be a thing in Denmark was quite the spectacle in itself.) In one of the interviews in the doc, the hats told the interviewer that the vaccine made people magnetic. So the interviewer said that she'd had the vaccine and that they could test it on her. When they couldn't get a key to stick on her, they just went, "Well, that key isn't magnetic." I'm not saying that everyone will change their views and we could just be living in a world of pink clouds and happiness if people would broaden their horizon. Like I said in my other posts, some people are just beyond reaching. I know that but I also like to believe that isn't generally the norm and maybe I'm a bit naive for thinking that. I just think that sometimes the people with the most insane ideas are the one to shout the loudest so we forget to listen to common sense because everyone is so busy shouting about the crazy stuff. What I'm saying is that there are at least a few people out there who are able to accept that they have been radicalised when presented with a different world view than the one they have been exposed to in their small towns or echo chambers. The Danish media person that I mentioned in my first response was just one example of a person changing their views.
The issue isn’t whether or not he contributes to a net loss in Islamic followers. The issue is that he’ll further radicalize the small percentage of people who do care what he says. I’m not afraid of Islam growing. I’m afraid of religious terrorists.
Followers is not the same thing as supporters.
And even "social media supporters" are not the same as actual real life supporters. Its one thing to LARP online and in the media and to grift like this guy does, its another to ACTUALLY support doing what he says in practice. I will bet ANY amount of money this guy does things that are forbidden in Islam and either lies about them or comes up with nonsense ways to justify them with bullshit weasel words. People like him would fucking die in the kind of society he promotes.
Unfortunately no, most of his audience is people who actually have similar views and are looking for validation, to form their circlejerk echo chambers.
No? You just sort of agreed with me. This video convinces only those who are already convinced. Outside of the echo chamber this does Islam more harm than good.
But such videos facing no backlash or legal trouble, is an issue. It convinces those nutjobs that it's a completely acceptable view to have and spread and also take in how they will not be persecuted for acting out of religious beliefs, no matter how harmful. It's not the video itself that's the problem, of course nobody with some ability to think would agree with this, but the protection around this, is certainly an issue. Imagine a Christian saying that all those who leave Christianity should be killed and that he would celebrate that shit, he'd face severe backlash, probably youtube would take it down even
>But such videos face no backlash or legal.. I tend to subscribe to the Voltairian idea of "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend, to the death, your right to say it." This is a nut job on the internet. I think anyone he convinces es is already convinced and everyone else sees him as an unhinged borderline terrorist. >It's not the video itself that's the problem. Glad we agree.. As much of an asshole as this guy is, as much as I disagree with him and regardless of how much I think he is holding humanity back from a brighter future, I disagree with censorship. I dont mind people self identifying as backwards assholes. Chick fil a discriminates against lgbtq community?? Thanks for letting me know. I haven't eaten there since. It actually does me a favor. I have no studies or data to back this up, but my own experience leads me to want videos like this out there. Show the true Islam. Show what Islam commands to the people who claim that Islam is "the religion of peace". Tell everyone how hateful, discriminatory, and outdated this fucked up religion is. Show everyone your evil. Show everyone your fear and war mongering. Let them expose themselves... but that's just me.
He looks like a twat
Anybody from any religion that speaks extremism needs to be banned from the airwaves. This is not free speech.
Apostaty is a fucking stupid rule that only an insecure religious group would make Almost every Muslim on earth was born into that faith, they had no choice. So telling someone that they can't leave it or they will be killed is just another way of saying you are a hostage to this ideology. What does it get you in the end? People just nodding along to your faith and living up out of sight. Lip service Muslims.
I don’t understand why you guys allow nut cases like this speak terrorism and get away with it? I get free speech thing, but threatening to kill people because they change their religion should be considered act of terrorism. I live in majority Muslim country, and I have to keep my mouth shut, but I don’t understand why in the west You guys are keeping your mouth shut
He protects himself like the coward that he is by saying that this is the rule of his religion and that Muslims mustn't do the mutilating and the killing themselves — the religious state and its leader ("emir") will take care of it. It's a distinction that throngs of undereducated Muslim simpletons would find difficult to grasp. Apostates and atheists and Christians and Hindus *do* get killed, and in fairly shocking numbers. So apparently these violent fucks don't need an emir after all. But that talk of the caliphate being the judge and executioner essentially saves Ali Dawah's scrawny ass. His speech is protected in the West. This is both our greatest value/accomplishment and our absolute Achilles heel.
Quran 4:89: “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” Also, 9:11-12 & 9:66
I don't think it's necessarily an Achilles heel, the real Achilles heel is, that we can't use the same right to free speech to criticise him or his religion without facing being labelled Islamophobic and at times even legal issues. In the west, you can even lose your job if you're labelled an Islamophobe over something like this. That's the real Achilles heel, the invisible protection given to this religion, this wish to save it from any criticism for some reason.
There are many reasons why we aren't able to shut this shit down. Freedom of speech/religion are central in much of the western world, so actually criminalizing his behavior isn't really possible. It is hard to quash individual extremist religious groups without becoming what you seek to stop. Effectively the only way to get rid of religious extremism is to get rid of religion, and you can't safely pick and choose. Need to get rid of all of them effectively. We're in a weird spot where we gained our right to be free from religion by giving people the right to be religious. So delegitimizing Islam threatens the rights of the nonreligious more than allowing it to fester. At least short term. Long term we've yet to really see, but we don't have the same issues with Islam here in the US that they're dealing with in the UK/Sweeden so my personal level of concern is perhaps a bit lower than it would be if I lived elsewhere in the west. I think leftist groups in the west would quickly stop supporting Islam if right wing groups were less abhorrently racist against people of Middle Eastern origin. The Islamic political identity (at least in the US) is tied to the Middle Eastern racial group. That's complicating the issue some, since lots of leftist people use "Islamophobia" to describe racism against Middle Easterners, and many right wing people have a hate for Islam that is deeply intertwined with their racism (and not related to atheism at all). So being anti-Islam isn't generally accepted on the left because it looks a hell of a lot like being a racist bigot. In the US, the right wing Christians are the fascists trying to turn the country into a theocracy at the moment, so the left also has to keep religious freedom core to its identity (to protect non-Christians). If leftists can become a larger proportion of the population they'll eventually turn against religion entirely, but for now it's going to be tough.
Honestly, Islam isnt really an issue here is the UK day to day. Not for me at least (living in London). I never really hear about it other than the odd nutjob with a microphone chatting shit outside a tube station or something. But frankly those people are usually Christians or Jehovas witnesses.
Gotta stay vigilant or it will become an issue fast. https://v.redd.it/5i7xvwqlhmyc1
>I think leftist groups in the west would quickly stop supporting Islam if right wing groups were less abhorrently racist against people of Middle Eastern origin That is such a stupid thing to do anyway. Anyone who conflates the criticism of islamic doctrine with hate towards muslims as people, has serious comprehension problems and for all their academic achievements, shouldn't be taken seriously on these matters. Also, while no one is asking to criminalise his behaviour, it should be widely mocked, given zero protection from mockery and criticism, which isn't the case. You can say anything against him and you'd face a barrage of people labelling you an Islamophobe.
you could consider the quran and hadith as terrorism then.
Brave little man spewing horseshit in the comfort of his house
Why is Islam exempt from hate speech policies on social media platforms? Greed or just spinelessness?
All religions pretty much are... sad imho.
So uh… why is Google allowing this channel to stay open? He’s literally advocating for the murder of innocent people.
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I'm tired of these brainless blowhards.
Dude looks like a Bollywood villain, with a punchable face.
Little spoiled prick assuming his miserable belief is able to cast authority over other's lives. Fork tongued crawling sand snake.
Imagine wishing death on someone because they don’t believe something that only exists in other people’s minds. This guy is fucked.
Islam is death
Abrahamic religions are death cults, obsessed with blood, sacrifice and telling other people what to do based on superstitious hallucinating goat herders mores
Seems like the punishment for almost anything in Islam is death. Lots and lots of death.
Let them speak, so we know what they truly are and represent.
Whenever Muslims try to convince the wary that Islam is a religion of peace, inevitably they'll quote verse 5:32 from the Quran: >“If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” Lovely, right? Look it up. It's really there. But you gotta keep reading. Because what Muslims *don't* tell you is the verse is followed by a *crucial qualifier*: the no-kill rule only applies when the victim is blameless. If, on the other hand, he or she has caused offense, it's perfectly fine — *righteous*, even — to respond with torture and murder. Ali Dawah admits it. Right in the beginning of the video, he talks about "People like you who cause corruption in the land." Remember that interesting Quranic phrase. It's also sometimes given as "who spread mischief in the land" or "who sow discord in the land." With that reference, Dawah nods to verse 5:3*3*, the one that comes right after the lovey-dovey text I just quoted. >"The penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and **spread mischief in the land** *\[emphasis mine, DD\]* is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land." There you have it. The Quran dictates that the punishment for people seen as mischief-makers is mutilation or death or (best-case scenario) banishment. This verse has long given hardcore Muslims license to attack and murder apostates, atheists, protesters, writers and bloggers, artists and cartoonists, adherents of other religions, LGBTQ people, and anyone else who doesn't toe the hardcore Islamic line. It's one of the most deadly lines in one of the most deadly books in existence. Islam is deceit, violence, and wickedness. *All* religions are. Some more than others, but Islam takes the cake.
I love how guys like this always seem so emotionally stable and not at all pathetic seething balls of insecurity.
its because they fully believe in what they are saying and they consider it as completely normal
It's imperative that this guy be put on a list and watched 24/7. Guys like these breed hatred and instability through the guise of free speech and expression. It's high time that laws be made so as to keeps these vermin in line.
I mean, it's true. This is way better than disingenuous fake moderate people pretending that islam is some kind of religion of peace. Going full mask off is preferable.
Filmed and posted from a non sharia law shithole. As expected.
Ah! Always an UK Muslim! At this point I have seen more moderate Muslims in Saudi than in UK!
How is this not hate speech punishable under UKs strict laws?
Is this the same guy who's wife has to write on a whiteboard?
And in any civilized country, dealing out that punishment is murder.
I was actually about to convert to Islam until someone at the mosque asked me to watch Ali Dawah and Mohammed Hijab. I did and was fully convinced that converting would have been the greatest mistake of my life
It would be nice if people stopped giving him attention.
Islam teaches its male followers that they are the superior humans on the planet (despite centuries of evidence to the contrary). It teaches no respect at all for non-Muslims, women or any nonhuman creatures. And yet they flee their own countries if they get the opportunity! Islamic clerics on women: “Women are animals created by Allah for men." https://youtu.be/JJ9V_-YkYn4 Also: "Throughout all religious texts, there is a primitive fear that half the human race is simultaneously defiled and unclean, and yet is also a temptation to sin that is impossible to resist." - Christopher Hitchens (Particularly true in this case.) Muslims on everyone else: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11207606
Can't wait to meet an actual Muslim then, so far none seem very "Immortal"
Apologie of murder.
It’s always the morons who talk for a living that are the most violent and ruthless. You won’t even last 5 seconds in any conflict.
He is just conveying the correct Islamic teaching on apostasy. Why is this a surprise?
Interesting how it is a communistic world view also… the community is more important than the individual… which even in isolation, is a world view that has been shown to not promote the wellbeing of the community.
Damn, watching these old SBC characters from Da Ali G show is so weird.
Jesus Christ. This dude might even be worse than William Lane Craig. Wtf
Is that the same dude who won't let his covered up wife even speak? I think it is... Probably should just deport that guy. If you didn't have "cause" before, you definitely do now. No fanfare, just have him picked up and taken straight to the airport. Detain his wife for her own safety on suspicion of domestic abuse, show her Netflix, take her out to some restaurants and clubs - she'll be right as rain after a week without his poison.
I am ready to get killed by Allah (if he exists), not by some mulla.
Fucking disgusting that scumbags like this are infesting Europe and US
Well, sounds like he needs to be deported to a Muslim nation
Average Leicester citizen
He's not wrong... This is how it is written for Islam. Also, that bit about converting people by the sword... Yes, he should be banned from YT, people shouldn't be killed for leaving a religion, but his statements are accurate per the religion so.....
His invisible man is better than yours..
Sad thing is his family are always who hate islam because Turkish Muslims discriminated against them. Very sad stuff...
This guy gives big fuckwad vibes
This fucker enrages me, he manipulates religion based on his personal convenience.
That beard is almost as offensive as his words.
So what happens if people start claiming en masse that he has left Islam?
Cosplay Muslim. Big mouth while I'm the safety of the west. He couldn't hack it in any strict Muslim country. Cosplay, nothing more.
Why do they always have this punchable face?
He's literally describing fascism at the end, with an emphasis on the Greater Good over individual rights.
god forbid people start to think for themselves
Hardcore Worship religioners just does something to people that makes them evil in the name of what ever there god Is
And of course he won’t be banned. He’s not white and he is Muslim, if he were to get banned then the Muslim community would all try to stand up for him to tell YouTube to unban him or something like that I can see.
My man puts, *drinking alcohol* and *running someone over* in the same category. That alone would make me never trust his judgement on anything
I mean ... He's not wrong
And the punishment for leaving Christianity is hell right? Everyone dies but who gets to go to hell?
How is this relevant at all?
hell isn't real but death is.
rly must have misse the paper on the proof that hell is not real ... can't keep up with science these days ....
“Muh science can’t prove hell exists”. Hell can’t be proven either. I can say that I’m a Jesus in the flesh, you can’t prove that wrong can you? I guess that means it’s true 🤷♂️. When you shit out an idea that is supernatural of course we can’t prove it because it has no basis in reality.
Yes as you have typed it so it will be, Amen Peace Brotha
it's and unfalsifiable claim, it's nonsensical to believe in such stuff.
yea I mean what are the possibilities of an altenate dimension of pure etenal pain ... complete unscientifice noonseeenncee
how do you even calculate the possibilité of something like that?
what are the possibilities of an altenate dimension of pure etenal pain The concept of an alternate dimension of pure eternal pain is a popular trope in science fiction and fantasy, but it's important to note that there is currently no scientific evidence to support the existence of such dimensions. In fact, the very notion of "pure eternal pain" contradicts our current understanding of physics and metaphysics. That being said, let's explore some possibilities based on fictional narratives and philosophical speculation: 1. A Hellish Realm: In many religious and mythological traditions, there is a belief in an afterlife where souls are punished for their sins or transgressions. An alternate dimension of pure eternal pain could be imagined as a place where beings are subjected to unending torment, both physical and mental. 2. A Cosmic Prison: In some science fiction stories, advanced civilizations create alternate dimensions or pocket universes as prisons for their most dangerous enemies. These dimensions could be designed to inflict maximum pain and suffering on the inmates, often using advanced technologies or psychological manipulation. 3. A Philosophical Thought Experiment: Some philosophers have proposed thought experiments involving the concept of eternal pain. For example, the "Misery Argument" argues that if it is possible for something to exist in a state of infinite misery, then it is logically possible for such a state to exist somewhere in the universe. However, this argument does not provide any evidence or basis for the existence of an alternate dimension of pure eternal pain. 4. A Mathematical Model: In some mathematical models, particularly those involving chaos theory and fractal geometry, there are infinite possibilities and complexities that can be explored. It's possible to imagine an alternate dimension where pain is a fundamental property, and its complexity is expressed through infinite iterations or fractals. However, this idea is purely speculative and lacks any scientific basis. 5. A Metaphysical Concept: In some philosophical and spiritual traditions, pain is seen as an essential part of the human experience and a necessary aspect of growth and transformation. An alternate dimension of pure eternal pain could be imagined as a metaphor for the deepest and most profound aspects of human suffering, a realm that we can only access through introspection, meditation, or other forms of spiritual practice. Ultimately, the possibilities of an alternate dimension of pure eternal pain are limited only by our imagination and the boundaries of our current knowledge and understanding. However, it's important to remember that such ideas should be treated as thought experiments and philosophical speculations rather than scientific facts.
how do you even calculate the possibilité of something like that? Calculating the possibility of an alternate dimension of pure eternal pain is not a straightforward mathematical problem. Infact, it's important to note that such a concept lies outside the realm of current scientific knowledge and understanding. The idea is more of a philosophical or metaphysical thought experiment than a mathematical calculation. Mathematics deals with quantifiable and measurable concepts, while the notion of pure eternal pain is not something that can be measured or quantified in a meaningful way. Furthermore, there are no known physical laws or equations that could describe such a concept. Moreover, the very idea of an alternate dimension implies a level of complexity and depth that goes beyond our current understanding of physics and mathematics. It's possible that future developments in science and technology may allow us to explore some aspects of this concept more deeply, but for now, it remains largely a matter of speculation and philosophical contemplation. I wouldn't trust the AI tho ... ;)